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SRT – Logitech G29 & G920 Hands On Video

Darin Gangi of InsideSimRacing has gotten the chance to get a hands on with Logitech’s upcoming G29 & G920 steering wheels at the E3 Expo.

Darin Gangi of InsideSimRacing has gotten the chance to get a hands on with Logitech’s upcoming G29 & G920 steering wheels at the E3 Expo.

In the video below, we get to watch Darin give Logitech’s new wheel pair a go with Project CARS on the PS4 & Xbox One as well as Drive Club on the Playstation.

While the Logitech G29 is compatible to the Playstation 3 & 4, the G920 is the new wheel aimed at Xbox One, both wheels also work on PC. Both wheels feature high-quality materials such as hand-stitched leather and are powered by a dual-motor force feedback system.

There are slight differences in terms of features though as the G29 comes with a LED-bar and additional buttons the G920 lacks.

As rumored before, the wheel comes with build-in shifting paddles but not a stick shifter, the Driving Force Shifter is available as optional addon, selling for 59,99€.

The Logitech G29 will be available in July, selling for 399€, the G920 is planned to be available in October, retailing for the same price.

Click Here To Pre-Order The G29 Now

  • http://www.simrace.pl/ rauf00

    One sentence from Darin says it all ” I said it felt very similar to the G27″

    • Johnny Penso

      “Project Cars recognizes it as a G27” was pretty hilarious as well.

  • GamerMuscle

    I knew it, shifty (with less buttons) Logitech
    http://psychicgurus.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/psychic-300×168.jpg

    • ImageArtSigns .

      Maybe that’s way they put more buttons etc on the wheel itself…so as rauf00 posted below…it ‘felt very similar to the G27’…glad I upgraded to the T300RS 🙂

      • GamerMuscle

        Yep they will have put buttons on wheel because you need them there to navigate the peasant box’s and then they can sell a shifter for even more money.

  • HammerX

    $399.00 for more buttons. Hmm….. no, me don’t think so no.

    • QUF

      Yea I don’t get why they need to charge so much. This could have been priced at G27 price. Maybe they just want bigger profit margins, but will sell less units. But selling less.. depends on how the console market sees them, I think differently than we pc sim racers do.

  • todemanjack

    I’ve been waiting for a review of these wheels. But this wasn’t it.

    • coops17

      darrin only does reviews on what he wants and the way he wants if i built anything he would never get his hands on it from me he would have to pay for it. the guy is the biggest tool.

      • QUF

        He needs his Yang back. Yin can’t exist without the Yang. And by Yang I mean a person like Shaun Cole.

      • Darin Gangi

        How do you know how big my tool is? 😛

      • RapidRefund

        🙂

    • Darin Gangi

      This wasn’t meant as a review and I only had about 10 minutes with each setup. It was my “First Look and Impressions”. Full review will be coming soon.

      • todemanjack

        Didn’t mean it as a criticism of you. Because you said in the video the real review was coming up. Virtual IR didn’t make that clear. So I thought I would. Do appreciate you sharing what you had though. Thanks.

      • Dentykaffalatta

        Real review. So someone other than SRT? Good.

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  • noroardanto

    Can’t forced myself to like the wheels. Anyway, let’s see how’s these wheels sell in a few months ahead. Could be that Logitech has a market research results that judging the shape and price of this wheels.

    • todemanjack

      I still like and use my G25, after 8ish years of thousands of hrs use. It was 250-300? When it first came out. I think I paid 259. after the first year. And it’s the longest lasting computer part or toy, with the most use, I’ve ever bought. Outlasted at least 4 GPUs. 3 CPUs, etc. I have to tip my hat to Logitech because of that.

  • GamingCanuck

    Not worth the price tag, maybe in another 5 or so years Logitech will actually build a new wheel instead of rehashing the G25 with some more buttons.

    • RapidRefund

      The CSW base is not worth the price tag more so than this and will last longer then the CSW as well.

      • Frederic Schornstein

        Have you driven both? I guess not.

      • RapidRefund

        Yes I have owned 3 Fanatec Wheels GT3rsv2 CSW 1 and CSW 2 and all of them had problems and had to be sent back for RMA. It’s more like you haven’t been a Fanatec owner who has had to contact support over 100 times

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Are you still with Fanatec ? I’m on my third or fourth GT3RSV2 and although it is working fine, the LED display doesn’t work (so changing profiles is no longer do-able) and when it calibrates on power-up it, instead of centering, it oscillates from side to side and finishes about 60 degrees to the right.

        So I dunno if you buy yet another, save for the V2 Base and rims or change wheel manufacturer completely.
        The price of this wheel is pretty off-putting compared to the GT3RSV2. The Thrustmaster 500 is pricey too.
        So I dunno what do for my next wheel really.

      • RapidRefund

        Well actually as time flies by I bought a G27 at least 2 years ago for GT 5 on PS3 and really never got into using it that much maybe a handful of times. After my CSW v2 had issues within the first week and taking into consideration my history with their products I sent it back for a refund and went back to using my CSW v1 which was a replacement base that I also had to RMA but was working fine when I sold it. The GT3rsv2 had the typical fan problems and Fanatec did rebuild it for me on an RMA as well and was working fine when I sold it. I still use CSP v1 and CSS SQ v1. Since then I have been using the G27 which at least for me while there isn’t any built in steering dead zone there is a dead zone around center as far as regarding the FFB. Only draw back is straight line precision and I wish there was some way to reduce this to a minimum. Other than that and since I don’t need overly strong FFB using this wheel is not much of a drop off from the CSW for me. However I can only speak for myself

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        I did have a Logitech G25 a long time back and it lasted for quite a good amount of time. If the G29 didn’t have this deadzone you speak of (which would be interesting to find out from maybe one of Darin’s future reviews), and would last longer before breaking down, then maybe the extra money is worth it.
        I didn’t like the G29 when I first saw it but if the FFB is good and it’s reliable, then it certainly is an option.

        Ideally, of course the Fanatec CS Base V2 and the two rims would be my choice, but I don’t want to be RMA’ing stuff back after a week or a month or two.

        Even just today the table clamp broke while I was sim-racing. The part where one of the screw-in clamps does into the base just came right off.
        The table clamp slipped forward while I was racing. I think I tend to pull on the wheel while braking (maybe a result of being on a wheeled office chair). So I tightened it up even more and obviously took it too far.
        I think I can get a friend to weld it back on and make it stronger than it was.

        So I`ll do that and see what to do about a wheel. Even the Thrustmaster 500 is an option but then I guess I`ll need to plug my Clubsport pedals into the USB on the computer instead of into the wheel.

      • RapidRefund

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      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Done, thanks.

  • Beanspeak

    can’t really watch his videos, he’s not a likeable person hopefully someone better will get a demo soon

    • http://www.simracingpaddock.com/ WilliamSRP

      I’ve sent an email to Logitech, and they said they may be able to send me something in the future, but review units aren’t ready yet.

      Ironic, I went to LA two weeks before E3 (visit to CXC Simulations that I will get an in-depth video out on soon), and now I’m going to LA 2 weeks after. I just couldn’t manage to get to E3 this year =.

      • Darin Gangi

        Too bad Will, would have been great to see you there…

    • pcarsphyxexpert

      But he loves the sim community.

      • Dentykaffalatta

        lmao.

    • Darin Gangi

      That may be the case, but you can’t deny I have tried just about every wheel at this price point extensively and may know a thing or two about them.

    • Dani .

      Why?

  • joe pineapples

    What a missed opportunity to improve the FFB parts after all these years. Guess they saw the ‘easy money’ route, but surely more people would have bought into it with improved internals.

    • http://www.simracingpaddock.com/ WilliamSRP

      If I remember correctly, Logitech had a new head of their gaming peripherals, and many have said their products have taken somewhat of a nosedive in quality the past year or so. Maybe the new head decided to capitalize on the console market.

      Smart business move, but bad for the community.

      • brrupsz

        More wheels = better for community. After all G series are rather impossible to break. I admit the price is bonkers but it will drop eventually.

    • RapidRefund

      Yes possibly. However I just added a 320mm wheel rim to my G27 and it feels great to me. I am one that does not need arm ripping FFB and the bigger wheel rim adds some balance IMO

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Would be nice to see it tested on sims like rF2, AC, RR3E also and not just console games. I mean Driveclub ? Who is his audience these days ?

    • sketchyterry

      In all fairness if he was at an event he may not have had a say in what game was being played.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Yes I know, I took that into account. But Darin listed, at the end, more titles he would like to try it on. Apart from pCARS which he’d already tried, he did not quote one PC simulation.

      • MC

        Did we watch the same video? He listed the games for PS4/Xbox then said AC and iR for PC.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        I don’t know why there has to be a hint of an attitude there.

        Yes we watched the same video. Clearly I missed him saying that otherwise I wouldn’t have asked. Anyway AC wasn’t the only sim I mentioned.

      • MC

        Attitude? What about your original post? 😀 AC & iR are the leading sims on PC, he was just quickly going through the main ones for each platform.

        I dunno why everyone’s going for *checks name* Darin, and personally I don’t care, as the soap opera side of sim-racing doesn’t really appeal to me.

        FWIW I thought the video was interesting as it confirmed a lot of what we felt about the product.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        I’m not ‘going for ‘ Darin as you put it. This isn’t personal, nor do I know who you are referring to when you say ‘everyone’.

        Except for the fact that I queried who his target audience was these days as a lot of the stuff from SRT seems console related imo.
        What I said in my original post still stands.

        The video was interesting yes. It made me realise that the G29 might just be a better wheel than I thought it was. Certainly more than the plastic toy that I referred to it as when I first saw it.
        I’m in the market for another wheel so I just would like to see the G29 tested and reviewed on sims we use on a PC too.
        So maybe Darin will be able to get his hands on a G29 back at base and do that very thing. If I was ‘going for him’ then it would be likely I wouldn’t respect what he had to say either. Yet here I am hoping he reviews the wheel on PC sims because I want to hear his thoughts.

        If that doesn’t clear things up, cos I don’t know how many times I need to explain it other than to draw pictures, then that’s too bad.

      • MC

        Well I think (possibly) the sim’ and console worlds are merging. pCARS, AC coming to consoles. I also think GT and Forza are better than the average vR reader realises =), and in recent years have got a lot closer to sims.

        I’m also after a new wheel but with Xbox one support. Rather than upgrade my PC to keep up with pCARS, Codies stuff (Dirt Rally, F1 etc.) I’m hoping my Xbox can takeover.

        Just wondering if it’s a good idea in terms of overall experience and customisation. Obviously no mods on consoles is a big deal :/

      • Dentykaffalatta

        “I dunno why everyone’s going for *checks name* Darin,” Even if he was, if you knew Darin’s “history” in the sim community you’d know why many people aren’t exactly fans of his. I won’t say beyond that as it may be construed as an attack but there are good reasons the community say some of the things they say and say them the way they say them.

      • MC

        Well as I said I don’t really follow the handbags side of things. I recall the on-camera hissy fit when he spun out from a race, and obviously he stopped working with the other bloke (Shaun?) but that’s all I know.

    • Dentykaffalatta

      Does he still have one?

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        No idea.

    • Darin Gangi

      I was at E3 and had no choice. If you watch the whole video I mention that I need more time on them to try them with a variety of titles.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        It seems I wasn’t making myself clear 🙂 Others have got confused also.
        Yes I know you were at E3 and yes I did watch the whole video (I didn’t just skip to the end).

        As you say, you said you needed more time with the wheel to test on other titles. So far so good. We agree.

        So my point was that if and when you get that time later, it would be nice to have the current PC sims tested with it (i.e. rFactor2, AC and maybe even RRRE and/or GSCE).
        To be honest Driving Club isn’t going to help many sim racers 🙂

      • RapidRefund

        Now for a mod steering wheel for them

      • RapidRefund

        I just added a 320mm steering wheel to my G27 and I must say it really feels great. People mentioning how the G27 seems toy like to them may be because the 11inch G27 rim which added twitchiness and the larger rim adds some smoothing IMO. I am very happy I did it and Logitech effed up if they are still going with an 11″ rim. Now what to do with that 11″ rim I could make an adapter and install it in my RL car? It is of good enough quality to do so.

    • Hurdy Hurdy

      If he was only testing at E3 on the PS4 and XBONE, he’s hardly going to be running AC, rF2 or R3E is he?

      Why not criticize him for only running 1 screen as well.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Jeez how many times…..
        I know he was at E3 ! I’m not stupid !
        He said at the end that he wouldn’t mind, LATER, testing it on other software. I assume from that he means testing the wheel back at SRT HQ and playing what HE wants to play, hence the other games he listed.

    • QUF

      He tested on the sim project cars.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        erm…. yeah… I kinda noticed that from the video. Probably that was why I didn’t mention pCARS in my post when I mentioned rf2, AC and R3E. Don’t ya think ?

      • QUF

        You said “and not just console games”.. then you went saying bad about driveclub. What is bad about driveclub actually? The fact that is not a sim game, well they aren’t trying to be a sim game. So there’s nothing wrong with driveclub besides the usual game bugs that other games have too.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Your trying tomake an argument where there isn’t one.
        If you want one though, just say so, I`ll be happy to oblige 🙂

      • QUF

        You first replied with a very offensive (attacking) attitude, when I just pointed out that he also tested on the sim pcars, when you first said he tested just on console games. Then another offensive attitude “sometimes it feels like I have to hold peoples hands and guide them around my words”, maybe the fault is on the message sender.
        You’re one of those people who just say “oh you wanna fight? then bring it on”, instead of either fighting or leaving.
        So that is excused, if I wrote some arguments, then follow or leave it.. not ask if I want an argument back, because that is implied when you are discussing something.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        QUF, given your past behaviour here it is very easy to take your comments as patronising or sarcastic. If they were not meant that way then I apologise. But that is how it came across to me.

        You see you’re telling me that Darin tried pCARS in the video, even though I`d already said in other replies that I`d already seen the whole video. So I would have to be pretty stupid not to have realised that, don’t you think ? I mean come on, do you really take me for someone who wouldn’t have realised pCARS was used in the video right after watching it ? What did you expect me to say ?

        I do find you provocative at times and you do have a history with me that is still in my mind. So perhaps it’s better you ignore me from now on or at least stop replying to me in a way that could sound patronising.

        So look, I am not going to continue arguing with you on this topic because it’s wasting my time over nothing. Please take my advice and do the same

      • QUF

        Yea is okay to be offensive towards DriveClub? Is it because is a direct competitor with Project Cars? At least for a certain part of the market, these two games are direct competitors.

        Maybe my first post in this thread wouldn’t have happened if you didn’t express yourself that way about DriveClub.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Why do you think I care about a title being a direct competitor to Project Cars ? What is this notion a few uninformed people have that I’m either affiliated with or some kinda mouthpiece for SMS ? Neither is true.
        I couldn’t care less about the rivalry. Didn’t even know there was one.

        I was not offensive towards DriveClub. You should recalibrate your sensitivity gauge. It’s another console game, that’s all. My point was simply the desire to see how the wheel performs on established PC simulators, ok ?

        Your first post had nothing to do with DriveClub. Your first post was informing me that Project Cars was mentioned in the video which was obvious.
        If you were offended by me saying “I mean DriveClub?” then you should have clearly said so. Although I can’t see how that could upset you.

        We’re done now, ok ? Just drop it.

      • QUF

        You clearly failed to post with words the correct message you thought of. When you use the words “and not just console games”, it does really come across as Darin only tested the G29 with non-sim games. Because you categorized sims as rf2, ac, r3e; then referred to the opposing category as console games, which in this context imply they are arcade / semi-arcade racing games, therefore not sims.

        The word “also” in the sentence “Would be nice to see it tested on sims like rF2, AC, R3E also” doesn’t help. Because afterwards you divide the games in two categories, sims and non-sims.

        So I merely pointed out that he also tested the G29 on sims (project cars), and not just console games, which from your context it meant non-sim racing games, driveclub.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Yes you’re going to lecture me on the English language. 🙂

        Are you finished now ?

      • QUF

        Wow talk about patronizing..

        Do you have problems with admitting your initial message wasn’t clear to what you actually meant, I don’t understand why you need to fight so much by trying to turn around that I’m the guilty here.. when I just replied to something your initial message led. You’re always on the attack, my reply to your first message was valid according to what you said there. So I don’t understand your struggle to make me look like I’m the guilty here.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        It wasn’t clear to YOU. That is obvious. I know what I meant and I wrote it.
        The only thing you’re guilty of here is carrying on an argument with me that I clearly said I was already done with.
        Enough with the character assassination. Please don’t test my patience any further.

      • QUF

        Come on, why you always have to bring the threatening arguments. Every time I’m discussing something with you I’m always afraid I’m going to end up banned. This is not healthy for a discussion, especially when I’m not infringing any posting rules.
        I hate it when people bring so much hostility to a conversation, is like at the first word the receiver might not like, I need to fear a punch incoming. This is really not healthy.
        This is kinda when you can’t discuss something with your boss because you’re always afraid of saying something they don’t like and they will look to get you fired.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        OK, long post warning…..

        Tell you what, if you’re going to make unfounded general sweeping statements about me, why don’t you look at my replies to other people who reply well to me. See if I’m ‘always bringing threatening arguments’. Look at the responses I gave here when I asked about triple screens…
        https://www.virtualr.net/project-cars-patch-2-0-details-revealed

        See how ‘hostile’ I was there. See how nice and helpful people can be and how appreciative I was of that. So refreshing to see after reading all the crap in the pCARS2 article
        People like Derek Speare, and all the others who replied, who take the time to write long posts to help me with a question I had, are people I like to talk to. These are people the sim-world always need more of.

        You see the difference ? You get back what you give. If you want to have a good healthy debate, then that’s fine. Nothing would make me happier.
        If you want to argue with me I can do that too if I have to.
        If you want to make it personal by bringing my character into it then that’s going to get you nowhere.

        What you say you feel when you discuss with me is largely a result of how you reply to me. You said I misunderstood the tone of your initial response. Fine. I accepted that could be the case and I apologised to you without hesitation. I even removed a silly remark I made to you as I decided it was not something I should have said. I do recognise my mistakes, I’m not perfect.
        I have since then asked you more than once to stop arguing with me about this post I wrote and let it go. But you won’t. You want to keep pushing. So any hostility you sense from me now is your own doing.

        I told MC, after he pointed it out to me, that I missed Darin mentioning AC and iR at the end of the video and I even happily conceded the point to Darin who took the time to show me the part I had missed.
        Maybe you missed those posts. What more do you want ? You’re not going to win anything here and I am not going to concede any more than I have already.

        To top it all we both know how you so narrowly escaped a ban a while ago when constantly arguing with other members and targeting a member wherever he went. I still remember that.
        So I know how argumentative you can be. And of course you know me. 🙂 I won’t shy away either but I have asked you twice to let this go. I think I’ve been very patient actually.

        Why don’t you take all that into account and just say enough ? This is over a 2 sentence post I made and you’re arguing over the meaning or how you understood it.
        It is petty, a waste of time and pollutes this thread.
        Now in your last two posts, it’s about me. You seem to just want to make me look bad.

        There is zero fear of you being banned if you can actually discuss something with me (or anyone else) properly. And in this case, by that, I mean no character assassination, no claims of ‘every time you….’ or ‘you always….’ etc. or any other broad statements about me which clearly are false. Sure, point out my errors but tell me of them, don’t stab me with them.

        I could argue that you’re trolling as you will not let up this argument when I have repeatedly told you I want out.
        You hate hostility ? Tell that to the member you argued with a while ago who was so aggrieved, he left the forum.
        To be fair it was not you alone but you are the only one who was not banned. I was told I should have banned you but I stuck by my decision. Now I’m starting to regret it.
        So you’ll forgive me if I’m a little more sensitive where you are concerned. This is also the reason I asked you to ignore me from how on. I said that for your own good not mine.

        If I write something that is wrong or incorrect, then tell me, clearly. I’m not beyond apologising for my mistakes or being shown that I’m wrong. But do it in a nice way and not be condescending, sarcastic or patronising. It’s enough to be told you are in error.
        The sensible thing would have been to let this drop ages ago but you seem to prefer to have another stab at me every time. The post where I apologised to you and asked you to ignore me unless you could reply properly, would have been the right point for you to stop.

        So yes, if the fear of a ban bothers you then why this insistence on carrying on the argument ? You said I spoke bad of DriveClub when I really didn’t.
        Then you go overboard by saying I was ‘very offensive’.
        Such an over-statement. Again, probably designed to try and make me look bad.
        Another thing you said was “you’re one of those people who..” How dare you ?
        Then you try to lecture me in the the English language, tell me that you ‘understand my struggle’, and you have the audacity to call me patronising ! (which I probably was by that stage but come one, pot calling the kettle black).

        When you’re asked to let it go or drop it especially after you’ve had an apology, maybe consider doing that. Otherwise I will simply presume your insistence on continuing to argue is your desire to flamebait and/or troll and for that I will ban you if it comes to that.

        Lastly, let me quote something you said.. “What is bad about driveclub actually? The fact that is not a sim game, well they aren’t trying to be a sim game.”

        That statement alone pretty much validates my original post. And my only mistake was not realising Darin had mentioned iRacing and AC and so I shouldn’t have mentioned ‘AC’ in my post. That’s all it boils down to really. But that was a point which you have failed to raise. But MC and Darin did. They saw where my mistake was and rightly corrected me. You went a whole other route. Again, remember, you get back what you give.

      • QUF

        The best way to stop discussing something with someone is not to ask them to stop, but is for yourself to stop discussing it. So is pointless for you to ask me to stop discussing which I want, because is like hitting against a wall. So the best thing is for you to stop discussing it, if in fact you really don’t want to discuss it any more.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        I did stop, after I said I was done. But then you replied. What am I meant to do with your reply to that, ignore it ? I have to respond if I think you are in error.
        This isn’t about what the best way is. It’s about seeing sense and not inflaming things any worse than they already are.
        Pointless to ask you to stop is it? OK so you prefer to continue this arguing ?. Noted. I asked you to stop, I didn’t tell you or threaten you, and yet you point blank refuse. Ok.
        You carry on then…lets see how this ends.

      • QUF

        Post after post you ask me to stop discussing the subject of your initial post. When I’m just giving out arguments to justify why I made my post to your initial post. Look, I was simply discussing the actual subject, I didn’t go off topic, nor brought arguments from our common history here in this website.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        You gave out your argument for your initial post ages ago. That is ancient history now and we sorted it. Your posts since then have not been about that.
        When you try to talk about me personally, you are going off topic.
        I brought the argument about our history so that others who have to read this tripe might understand where I’m coming from and why I might be more sensitive to your comments.

      • QUF

        “Would be nice to see it tested on sims like rF2, AC, R3E also”
        If here you meant that you didn’t mention pcars as sim because it was already implied, then when you say “and not just console games.”, is a contradiction of the first part. So me saying “He tested on the sim project cars.” is not invalid, because I was led by the second part of your sentence to reply that way, as I thought you didn’t consider pcars as sim, but thought you put pcars and driveclub in the same category, when you categorized as just console games.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Yes pCARS was already implied for the first part (because it was in the video).
        The part where I said “and not just console games” was a direct result of Darin mentioning Forza 5, Forza 6 and Forza Horizon at the end.
        All console games. I already cleared up that I didn’t hear him mention iR and AC in another sentence.

        Him testing the sim on Project Cars was no invalid no, but it was also clearly obvious as I`d seen the video. What made you think I didn’t realise that ?

        You thought I didn’t consider pCARS a sim ? 🙂 Really ?
        Have you seen my posts about that lately ? I have never said otherwise and always argued that it was.

        That, I hope, clears things up now.

      • sickbroski

        There is no such thing.

  • Robert

    I’m not sure if it’s the way the review was delivered but after watching that I am unsold. Morphing two old wheels together doesn’t sound very special. The price also seems a little high for a console wheel.

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Hehe, no I don’t have it out for you Darin, don’t be paranoid :).

    I shall watch the video and if I have to eat my words then I shall……

    ….. ok watched it. Fair enough Darin. Words eaten. I shall concede the point, which to be fair, was only a small point that got all blown out of proportion unsurprisingly. I didn’t recall you saying that about iRacing and AC although it was pointed out to me afterwards by MC.

    I look forward to your review. BTW, If I didn’t trust your hardware reviews, I wouldn’t have made my original post. 🙂

    Question…. you went to E3 and obviously you have been to other public events like it before too.

    Have you ever been asked for an autograph ? 🙂

  • Babis Rataplan

    That wasnt a Review ,I will wait Darin to have an all around Review of this Wheel… i dont know what people thinks, but for me Darin Reviews on Wheels are very helpfull.

    • RapidRefund

      Well it’s almost cut and dry with regards to this wheel as I think everyone believes the internals of these offerings are the same as a G27. Which most likely has well over a 90% positive rating. The main differences are the functionality with the console platforms they have been designed for. So if an individual seeks to set out sim racing on one of the current gen consoles and wants to improve their experience with the addition of a Wheel input controller these are as good of a choice as the other brand offerings on the market at the present time

      • Babis Rataplan

        I have xp from Logitech Momo,GT,G25 ,G27 and now i use T300RS. overall T300RS feels much smoother Wheel and with no Deadzone at the center thats a BIG + , but G27 on the other hand it feels more direct on the ffb effects. T300RS use of these belts that they feel loose and a litle bit lagy on the ffb effects. G27 Twin motors are direct connected on the Wheel so it feels much much direct.
        So if this G29 Wheel uses twin motors without belts and there is no deadzone ( i dont know how this can be happen) Then in my opinion it will be much better Wheel. I will wait to see the internals.

      • RapidRefund

        Yes there is dead zone on G27 with regards to FFB and not on steering input itself

      • MC

        Really? I’ve never used a belt driven wheel but what you say’s a little worrying.

        Also I might be talking out my ar$e here 🙂 but it feels like games are being developed more for belt-driven wheels (Fanatec etc.) and it takes a lot more tweaking to get a G25/27 to work well with them.

      • RapidRefund

        For most motor strength is the key to achieving the type of FFB they desire almost to the point of dependence. I as well as a few others are exceptions to the rule not needing a massive amounts of effects through the wheel and just prefer a good balanced amount of steering force. This is the reason the FFB dead zone around center on the G27 bothers me a little bit. It mimics wear in the steering gear of what might happen in RL. In high school I drove a 1963 Ford F100 that did not have power steering and had a bit of wear in the worm gear and had an adjustment to tighten it up. The CSW v2 has a great amount of FFB effect due to it’s strong motor and good belt tension

      • todemanjack

        Are you saying the CSW v2 has a belt tensioner system? Like on the serpentine belt of a real car. Doesn’t the CSW complete system cost almost 1000$ USD? I guess the difference of users would be between entertainment/play and serious Sim Racers. Although certainly many serious Simers use Logitech with good results.

      • RapidRefund

        Yes the tension is adjustable. IMO I think with the CSW v1 and it’s Mabuchi Motors it’s possible that they were shipping with too much belt tension cause motor failure as once the motors were replaced in my CSW v1 and properly tensioned they seemed like they were going to last longer than the original motors. The least expensive v2 combo you can buy is $779.00 for base and non carbon formula rim then buy your pedals bringing the price close to a thousand depending on your pedal selection. As for difference of users as you describe that would only be an assumption as you don’t need to carry your CSW like a badge or see the G series of wheels not worthy of one. Ray Alfalla won 2 Stockcar Championships at iRacing with a DFGT like you suggest in the last part of your quote.

      • todemanjack

        Thanks for responding. The tensioner I’m referring to is like on a car. It’s an extra sprung wheel that rides on the back of the belt, the belt that turns the camshaft, etc.. No matter how much the belt stretches, it maintains proper tension. It’s self adjusting. New belts always stretch a little right away. Than more and more with use.

      • todemanjack

        Possibly the new drivers will remove the FFB dead zone? The G25 apparently has far less, maybe even next to no dead zone. Only difference is type of gears.

  • olddarth

    So does this seal the door on Logitech supporting their previously released wheels, that worked on the PS3, on the PS4 then?

    If so, terrible customer support. My next wheel will definitely NOT be a Logitech.

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