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The SimPit Driving School – Weight Transfer

After more than six months of hiatus, Shaun Cole of the SimPit has released the next episode of his “Driving School” segment.

After more than six months of hiatus, Shaun Cole of the SimPit has released the next episode of his “Driving School” segment.

Episode three of the sim racing driving school centers on weight transfer as Shaun explains all about one of the fundamental aspects behind setting up a race car.

Past episodes of the driving school can be found here and here.

  • GamerMuscle

    Nice video, I hope Shawn does more stuff like this I think its what he is best at, with luck he will do a new car setup series.

    Some what separate to this video (commence gamer muscle rant) I always felt the best way to learn how to sim-race is to just do lap on lap / Race on Race, using the sector and lap time to see where you are gaining and losing pace then adjust accordingly.

    One of the big joys of good simulators and real world driving is that the car communicates what it is doing and you then respond to that Its one of the things that makes driving so addictive.

    Just about all the top simulators give really detailed telemetry now that makes it even more clear what you were doing wrong. Also the R3E race line that updates with your brake points or just driving against the current world record ghost car will describe though practice exactly what needs to be done to go fast.

    Ultimately you could know everything there is to know about what a car is meant to do but in the end driving simulators tracks and cars are still “games” and each has there own weird way to get the best lap times.

    • Mark Quigley

      Even if you are well practiced a bit of theory can help loads.
      Countersteer on a motorcycle for example, everyone that rides a motorcycle will use countersteering to get the bike to turn, some will deny they do it and will state it is only a technique for racing.

      A bit of theory explaining what is going on and how it helps will have those folks hustling bit heavy bikes through the twisties in no time.

      • GamerMuscle

        The only reason counter-steer works with bikes is because the bike itself has inherited the insanity of the bike rider.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVXc29ZgutI

        contrary to what some think, In the case of TT riders Counter steer turning is from the riders balls swinging around and not the mass of the bike falling into the corner.

        I’d love to own a bike in the uk, however I’d also like to reach 30+ years of age.

      • Mark Quigley

        Those guys are nuts, literally a big pair of testicles parked atop a motorcycle.

  • Sim Antics

    This concept that Shaun has brought up feeds into a bit of heated discussion some of us had the other day. My impression is that in sim racing the outer front tire gets to a point where it quits as far as the grip is concerned and the car will go skating. Fine I don’t argue this but question the point at which this happens with some cars in some games. Okay fine it is what it is? Realistic? That could be questionable because we really never see the loaded tire on the front end work well enough in Simulations to break front end parts or to send a taller higher sitting car into a rollover in over cornering which does happen in RL. This is where I question some of the grip level of some of the tire treads that we see out there in the different games today. I think the best thing I can say is that none of us that were in that discussion were 100% wrong but not 100% right either

    • pastor_tedhaggard

      ” to break front end parts or to send a taller higher sitting car into a rollover in over cornering which does happen in RL”

      not really. unless you’re driving a robin reliant, or a mercedes A class circa 1998, i can’t think of any video footage of magazines testing cars where the grip of the loaded outside tire would be greater than the lateral force pushing the car wide, forcing the car to topple over itself. There’s no way. The only thing that could cause that to happen is a silly high centre of gravity, but we’re talking about a Van or a jeep or something, not a car.

      Even if a car, the high centre of gravity is the issue there, that’s got nothing to do with loads on the front tire.

      • Sim Antics

        Sure there is.

      • pastor_tedhaggard

        oh ok. fair enough then, i stand corrected.

      • Sim Antics

        While this is a high center of gravity vehicle it does not exclude the possibility of this happening with other vehicles.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPhHrp7i5L8

      • pastor_tedhaggard

        yeh……….that video describes Exactly what i talk about in my original response to you. It’s just proven my point even more.
        Your conclusion below the video is just plain wrong. It’s even more apparent in the video because he even does a pseudo scandinavian flick (trying to demonstrate a situation where you’d have to avoid something) just to try and roll it, because even in a tall jeep its difficult to roll unless you’re a bit violent. It’s the quick opposite change of direction that eventually causes it to roll, due to the shift in centre of gravity and momentum.

        ‘it does not exclude the possibility of this happening with other vehicles’. Yeh…it does. It’s called physics, and i explain it out in my initial response.

        on this specific point, the sim games we play have 0 problems. It’s not even an issue.

      • Sim Antics

        Which we both said the same thing as where it concerns taller higher center of gravity vehicles. The truck does not even get all the way sideways to set up this roll and it’s obvious the weight transfer at high speed combined with other forces caused this roll. Outside of a tall vehicle on a average height vehicle if at a speed if the driver causes a sideways slide not a spin there is the chance the tires are gripping well enough that if they catch an imperfection in the road surface even a small one could send the car into a roll so no I am not saying a roll is caused by one thing but a combination of things and well within the realm of reality and does happen in RL.
        As for the Donut

      • Sim Antics

        2:04 mark best example so this proves your Wrong!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QDNbBCEO1w

      • pastor_tedhaggard

        lol………..2.04, he’s doing probably 180+mph, he gets…..Hit from behind, which is why the car suddenly veers to the right, hence why it flips up on 2 wheels. He’s not suddenly steering right and the car flips is he……..i mean………lol, what are you on about.
        3.24, it suddenly cuts to him barrel rolling, he probably got hit from behind as well, whilst going from some banking onto a flat surface.
        Neither of these examples have anything to do with what youre trying to prove. Try again.

      • Sim Antics

        LOL you got a lame answer for everything. This is my final take since I am tired of dealing with it.

      • Sim Antics

        Here’s another what school did you study physics at?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGaAJg9Puw8

      • pastor_tedhaggard

        ……….weight transfer, again. Nothing to do with too much grip on a front loaded tyre causing the car to flip. This clip is similar to the jeep clip, the reasons why it rolls is the same reason why the jeep rolled. You don’t seem to understand what is going on in any of these examples you’re posting. I cannot help you, sorry.

      • Sim Antics

        Sure it does it played a role! Anyway I grow weary of debating something I just proved!

  • Markus Ott

    I find that video pretty unsatisfying. For Average Joe driver this may be neat knowledge about what the car is doing. The question remains: what is Average Joe supposed to do with it? This video clearly misses the part where it tells you how to react with setup choices to different situations and scenarios.

    • pastor_tedhaggard

      i agree, he makes the point then essentially repeats the same thing every 2 minutes. He should have said “so what does this mean for your setup in iracing” or whatever, and gone through things you can do to negate the effects of weight transfer, or shift load to underworked tyres.

      pointless vid.

      • shifta

        Did you read the video description on youtube?
        Hardly pointless, many people may find this video helpful.

    • shifta

      Pretty sure he did that on Purpose.

      From the video description on youtube: “This is our third lesson for The Simpit Driving School and we are sticking with the basics.”

      and

      “When we move on to more advanced techniques both as a driver and as a crew chief it will be essential to understand what the car is doing at every moment on the track and how weight transfer changes the load put upon each tire.”

  • Kev

    6 months? I guess a very short bus takes you to this school…

    In fairness I like Shaun and several of my own videos are undeniably influenced by his older stuff. This is way better than project sim racer anyway. Need to pick up the pace though minimum one video every two weeks or people will forget content and/or lose interest.

    What else has Shaun been doing anyway?

  • pastor_tedhaggard

    one thing i like about these vids is the reminder in the intro of what F1 used to be like, finishing with that V10 wail. it also makes me sad.

  • Sim Antics

    Question What is the Prime Cause of Weight Shift? Hmmmm let me think about that? Oh if you answered Tire Grip you are 100% correct those that didn’t must be listening to their Pastor.

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