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Project CARS Crosses 1 Million Community Funding

Slightly Mad Studios’ Project CARS title has reached an important milestone as the racing simulation has now raised over a million Euro of community funding.

Slightly Mad Studios’ Project CARS title has reached an important milestone as the racing simulation has now raised over a million Euro of community funding via the company’s revolutionary World of Mass Development portal.

World of Mass Development allows gamers to be directly involved in the title’s development by testing regular development builds of Project CARS, sharing feedback in the development forum and voting on key decisions regarding the title.

Members can choose from a variety of tool packs that come with different levels of access, ranging from monthly development builds for Junior members to daily builds and other perks for Senior Manager members. Aside from the unrivaled and transparent access to the development process, members will also earn a share of the revenue once the title is released.

Since the portal’s launch in October 2011, more than a million Euros has been pitched in by the members, bringing the total funding to 2.5 million without a publisher being involved in the process.

A new video trailer of Project CARS has recently hit GameTrailers.com as WMD-member JonZ has put together a stunning piece of video that shows off the current development builds. The video was part of a community-wide contest and received the most member votes, sending it off to one of gaming’s most popular video sites.

Sim racers who want to get involved in the development of Project CARS can do so by visiting WMD and the Project CARS info page.

  • Anonymous

    It’s pretty cool that even this video was chosen for this purpose through a poll at WMD. I think that sums it up pretty well.

  • suprdevil

    From March 21st: “Starting from this point that will happen sometime in the next 2-3 weeks, WMD won’t be accepting any new members for the remaining course of the title’s development. So if you want to be part of Project CARS, now’s the time to join WMD or upgrade to a higher tool pack.”
    Still no news on this yet, huh?  I guess it worked, they got their million.  Great marketing, SMS & VirtualR!

    • Anonymous

      they had a discussion on the forums but I’ve just took a back seat until the final game is released.

    • Guilherme Cramer

      It does look bad but everyone who got involved has read why in the forum. I don’t know how much can be shared but it is for the good of turning this into hopefully a good sim.

    • http://www.facebook.com/triskele10 Peter Koch

      It was a cheap trick called misleading people and not very nice.

      • http://twitter.com/Dillyracer Dylan H.

         No it wasn’t, it’s stated on the forums why it’s taking longer.

      • Big Ron

        It wasnt a trick, it was just an inaccurate message since SMS is still in contract negotiation to ensure to keep all freedoms in development and community structure. Those things can extend to nowhere and take longer than expected.

      • Eric Zehnder

        How dare they provide a product with benefits at a price clearly listed! Someone call the Better Business Bureau!! This sort of tom foolery will not stand – not on my watch! Selling a game (with the very real possibility of later being PAID as a Thank You) at the price of a game is clearly FRAUD!!

        #sarcasm
        #getoveryourselfeverybody

      • Boss Player

        I think you are right, people can’t blame SMS if they are trying to make money with it. We can blame them if the game it’s not good enough though. 🙂

      • Eric Zehnder

         That’s true but since the game isn’t a game yet (no career mode, multiplayer, still early in development) I don’t understand why people seem to be upset at what they paid for. That’s assuming they’re not just trolls who aren’t even active in the community.

        I’ve already had enough fun with the game to justify my Full Member price. It’s actually rFactor 2 in Beta that I paid full price for and decided on a refund since it didn’t meet my expectations.

      • Anonymous

        Anyone who is not happy with the circumstances under which they upgraded or does not understand the situation can simply ask for a refund. On the very rare occasion that I’ve seen refunds requested for other reasons they are processed almost immediately. In this way it is impossible for anyone to feel cheated. 

        The only comments I see are from people wishing they had more money to put in and gratitude that there has been more time than expected to do this. I haven’t seen a single post from anyone regretting their contribution.

  • Anonymous

    I’m one of those who proudly supported this project and one who spent over U$900 on iRacing not so proudly! 

  • http://twitter.com/Pandamasque Pandamasque

    It seems through the past year there hasn’t been a day without several news about pCARS here and on some other outlets that used to cover a lot of the simracing community news (mods, events) as opposed to simracing industry news.

    Just an observation.

    • Matt Orr

      The community is in a slow time right now. rF1 is bleeding out still, GTR2 much the same. nKP is dead bar one or two small communities. LFS has seemingly vanished completely. iRacing has no modding, only really small info given out from them. Most of us are waiting to see what happens out of GTR3 and AC. Not a whole lot going on now, but business is about to pick up so to speak.

      This ain’t 2007 anymore. Wow it’s hard to believe it’s been that long since the communities were all booming strongly. Even iR which didn’t exist then as it is was still more or less the NR2K3 community.. Anyone remember when NR03 disks would fetch $150 on ebay? lol

      • http://twitter.com/Pandamasque Pandamasque

        I personally took part is several simracing events that involved ~100-150 racers (in each race) this year and now I’m trying to qualify for another one (there are more that 2 teams per spot trying to get in). So yeah, not a lot happening. Everyone’s gone to SMS apparently 🙂 *tumbleweed*

    • Anonymous

      Eh, the last PCars item before this was posted 4days 8hours ago.

      • http://twitter.com/Pandamasque Pandamasque

        There is also a ‘report news’ button at the top of the page. If you think the site has missed some important sim news, report it and it might get published.

        It may as well be removed. I tried it a few weeks ago. Apparently my message was not only irrelevant compared news like the financial success of SMS, but irrelevant enough to treat it like spam, as it was ignored completely. Not going to bother again.
        From what I can see the community isn’t dead or quiet, but rather more segmented than it was a few years ago. It’s just easier to provide a daily dose of sim news from the press-releases that get sent daily, rather than do it like in the ole days. Example: a fantastic scratch-built version Sears Point came out for rFactor about a month ago. Anyone seen it anywhere except on F1Classics? Thought so.

      • Anonymous

         I think you’re spot on with saying the community isn’t dead or quiet, just more segmented.
        To me that seems like a pretty accurate description.  I reckon, anyways.

        About the Sears Point track (thanks for mentioning it, I`ll go find it now),  if it was only on F1Classics, maybe it should be up to the author to post his track to the other sim news sites so they know or don’t miss it.
        When I do new renders, I could just put them on my site and hope they get picked up by the news sites. Some sites do pick it up and others don’t. 
        So I prefer to post the renders, then inform the sim news sites and leave it up to them to post the news or not.  At least I will have done all I can.

      • Anonymous

        If you tell me which address you used I can tell you if it was even properly received.

        Honestly, I haven’t seen that version of Sears Point and I’m not surprised to be honest. If you hide scratch-made work in a forum with such a bad reputation then it’s bound to not receive any exposure.

        Honestly, I don’t bother touching anything that’s posted there since at least 70% is at least partly illegal. That’s the way they run their site, fine, but it makes it completely unsuitable as a source of news because it has to be possible to verify whether something’s legal.

      • http://twitter.com/Uff182 Andrea Candini

         Pandamasque, try again: I reported some news in the past and I’ve always received an answer from Montoya if it was something that he missed and he found interesting. Yours might just have been bad luck. 😉

    • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

      I’m sure we’ll see more community news once the next gen sims are released.

      Most of the modding news we used to see on the site was on rF1 but that understandably seems to be fading away with rF2 around the corner.

    • Anonymous

      Your observation as such is correct, the community has changed a lot since 2007 but that’s not the fault of the websites that cover it.

      A few years ago, we only had 2 or 3 titles and lots of modding that happened. rFactor 1 modding was very active, big modding teams released new preview material almost on a daily basis and as such, this kind of material provided most of the news VirtualR covers.

      Things have changed a bit since then, rFactor 1 modding is almost dead while rF2 hasn’t picked up yet, CTDP is the only big team that has publicly picked up on it so far so there’s not much on that front yet.

      On the other side, we have a lot of new titles coming up (AC, pCARS, GTR3) which of course produces a lot of news. This simply wasn’t the case a few years ago, the dynamic has changed a bit in the last few years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

    Congrats SMS!!

  • http://twitter.com/mark8734 Mark

    Some people say that iRacing has a lot of “don’t say anything negative about it” fanboys, but I must say that pCars seems to have even more.
     

    • Anonymous

      Part of that might be that pCARS has a ‘do not say anything negative in public’ policy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/HEYFANTA Danni Volquard Fugl

        its not a policy, its just that there is nothing bad to say. 

        This is a fantastic game and its still long from finnished. yes there is things to be done, but its not ment to be done yet. 

        So its simply the the truth, not a policy

      • Anonymous

        It can be both policy and the truth, see above.

      • Alejandro Gorgal

        People have always been able to tell the truth, I’ve seen it tons of times on the forums were feedback is taken into consideration and developers interact with people’s opinions.
        The problem is that a lot of people are very young and react in often child-like ways, creating reactionary comments without researching information first resulting making inflamatory posts.
        To be fair, there doesnt seems to be that much bad attitude in the pCars forums, but there’s certainly a lot of that everywhere else.

        Obviously people are asked to report bugs in private and to try speak about the game in a possitive way in public forums, but that’s more than fair for a game currently in an early development stage.
        People who get a tool pack are in a way considered employees in a
        development studios and as such we are expected to behave in a
        professional way.

        Saying something like “this game is arcade” not only says nothing helpful but can quickly escalate if nobody
        makes it perfectly clear that only real feedback based on real life track experience will be taken into account.

      • Anonymous

        I shouldn’t have used the word ‘policy’, since you’re right, nobody is going to be kicked out for being critical. I meant that because they’ve been asked not to be negative on public forums and they know that it is prerelease, it seems like more people have nothing but good things to say.

      • Anonymous

         Yes exactly !

        Can I nominate this for post of the week ? 🙂

      • Anonymous

        So we can’t compared pcars to other sims?

      • Anonymous

        Where do you get that from ?   No-one is saying you can’t.

        Look, don’t test me man, I’ve just let you back in.  Probably wise not to go looking to push anyone’s buttons right now. 

      • Anonymous

        But everything I say is a troll as far as you’re concerned…

      • Anonymous

         If that was the case then
        a) we wouldn’t be having this discussion
        b) your posts would be gone
        c) you wouldn’t have been let back in.

        Maybe it’s just a case that everything you do say is always negative and has a bitter taste to it and you pretty much only post in the pCARS threads.

        I don’t think I’ve read one post from you that is positive or anything that makes you happy.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t most racing games use RL race drivers to promote their game regardless of whether it’s arcade or not?……

      • Alejandro Gorgal

        Sorry, but I have absolutely no idea how your comment relates to mine or which point you are trying to prove.

      • Anonymous

        Only those with RL experience get to mold the shape of the physx…….however, you’ve often got race drivers of some description involved in the process of making these games, yet they can turn out quite arcadey like F1 2010/11.

      • Alejandro Gorgal

        This funny little internet game that we have going on is fascinating. I could continue to pretend that I dont understand that you are trying to hint that pCARS is “teh arcade” and that having input from real drivers does not equal great physics but honestly Im pretty tired of this.

        Hating SMS because of their past titles is fun because they used to work for EA and hating EA is what all the cool kids do (dont worry, I hate them too).
        What people fail to see is that SMS is now independent, they are trying to get as far away from EA as possible but as it has been hinted several times Shift used to be a very different game before EA got on board.

        As PC gamers we have spent the last 20 or so years complaining about how developers dont listen to us, about how big publishers milk franchises and ruin games. Now we have a chance to support and participate a developer that is doing something that no one, not even the most open indie studios have ever made, which is opening their doors and letting you see every step and interact with the developers directly.

        The way I see it, you have 3 options here:
        You can take the chance to be a part of the solution to that thing we have all been complaning about and help make pCARS great. You can act like a mature person and decide that you dont like pCARS and continue to enjoy whatever sim you like. Or you can continue being a complete twat that continues to make passive-agressive comments about a stupid game.

        Your choice.

      • Anonymous

        Me, I’m trying to have a discussion, but you’re trying to control it.

      • Anonymous

        What about the FFB?….it’s quite bad atm, and the way it handles at Donnington is terrible.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Lindsey/1021133377 Adam Lindsey

        IT IS PRE ALPHA!!!!!!!!!!  noone expects it to be PERFECT yet!!!!  How many times does that have to be said?  there are ALOT of stuff going on behind the scenes in the physics department that if you where actually a member on the WMD forum you could plainly see.

      • General Rush Hour

        omfg…. it´s not pre-alpha… that´s the same BS as when Bush said Irak had weapons of mass destruction. 

      • Anonymous

        What the heck are you talking about?

        Of course it’s pre-alpha, by any definition. It’s nowhere feature complete, please look up the definition of pre-alpha.

      • Anonymous

         Hehe,  I gotta admit,  sometimes I have to laugh.  It even states pre-alpha in the filename.
        But no… GRH knows better.  A man who can spell all the swear words but has a bit of trouble wiith middle-eastern countries.

      • Anonymous

        Nonsense, sorry.

      • Anonymous

        I thought there was a request from SMS that any YouTube videos of bugs or glitches be marked unlisted so random people didn’t find them. Didn’t they also ask members to portray the game in a good light whenever speaking to non members? You know, protect the investment.

        Not a bash or anything, totally makes sense for a closed beta of a game in development.

      • Anonymous

        Yes of course people are being asked to unlist videos that have been uploaded specifically to show glitches because people who see this kind of stuff out of context won’t understand that the game is pre-alpha and such stuff is normal at this stage of development.

        People aren’t asked to show it in a good light but to provide context, explain how it’s pre-alpha and a year from release etc. This is needed because WMD is a brand new approach and people simply aren’t used to see an early version of a title this open in public so some misunderstandings are bound to happen.

      • Anonymous

        Right, and if those of us outside the project don’t see that stuff, we get the impression that more people having nothing but good things to say about pCARS, which was the root post of this thread. I’m not justifying or condemning, it just seems like a reasonable explanation for me as to why it might be happening.

        Again, I totally understand why they do it, and in their shoes I would do the same thing. Just answering a question.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        Yes after reading some of the comments around here people outside of pCars get the impression that people have nothing but good things to say.  You’re a amateur troll andrew.  Not bad but not good either.  

      • Big Ron

         if you have no clue what is going on within the project, you should stop setting false allegations.

      • Big Ron

         Come on. Don´t twist developer postings to your like.

      • Anonymous

        What do you mean, members can and have read SMS dicates?…and what Bakkster said rings a bell with me.
        Of course, nothing wrong with promoting your game, ie, focusing on the strengths, but using censorship to counter the negative could backfire.

      • Anonymous

        Why should it backfire?  It’s common sense.

        If you worked for Ford they wouldn’t put up with you going around shooting your mouth off about how bad Ford cars are.   
        Now while paid member don’t work for SMS they are kind of invested in the product.   It’s in their own interest that it does well.  The better it does, the better it is all round.   
        So to get involved into this new type of project and then blab on about how bad it is, is kinda counter-productive.   Those kind of things should be kept to the WMD forum.
        Lastly and most obviously, its hardly fair to complain about bugs or issues in a pre-alpha state game thats a year from being finished.   That does no-one any good.   They might plug up someone’s complaint in the next build.  By then it’s too late and the complaint is out there.

        How would you like it if you were building a kit model at home and you got a few bits stuck on and a friend came and saw it and pointed out how crap it looked and how many bits were missing or not quite right.    You’d tell him (maybe not so nicely) that it wasn’t finished yet.

        Am I missing something here ?

      • Anonymous

        I wouldn’t be going round calling something with a arcade driving model a sim.

      • Anonymous

        ok, that’s enough of you and Gulyas poisoning these threads.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        LOL.   Where is your tinfoil hat?  

      • General Rush Hour

        It´s not a “policy” it´s a JOB. They state it themselves in the fineprint. 

        It specifically states “your job is…”

      • Anonymous

        Yeah and when you win a sim-race and someone says ‘Good job !’   How are you interpreting that one ?  Just as literal ?

        Have you taken up your concerns on the WMD forum ?  I’m sure someone there will explain it to you.  Hey you might even get then to change the wording to ‘role’ or something.   Something to make you happy so you can cross it off your big list of ‘things to bitch at about pCARS’.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Siggers Ross Siggers

      And there are posts like that partly because of people like you goading them on. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

    Quite a few excellent trailers but I’m glad this one got voted in. Sums it up perfectly 🙂

  • http://www.facebook.com/gulyopapa Gulyás Tamás

    Congrats SMS !  1 millions for nothing … good way of milking people.
    I hope so you pay a tax after this huge amount of money !!!

    • http://twitter.com/Uff182 Andrea Candini

       I really would like trolls like you to be banned, but unluckily it seems it is easier for SMS to reach 1 mln rather than for you to turn your brain on before writing something…

      • http://www.facebook.com/gulyopapa Gulyás Tamás

        Yes. If my opinion is : this 1 million is good for them and noone else, I’m a troll.
        You are ridiculous baby boy.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DUHUDI42KUEEZCC4O7VEZNNXXU Allister

      LOL. You’re adorable.

    • Anonymous

      How are they going to fund further developments on GFX Gulyas?

  • Anonymous

    Says enough the trailer is shown on Gametrailers.
    Because if it was a sim GT would never have heard of it. Still waiting for them to review rF1.

    Just joking. 😛

    • Anonymous

      Just checked, and simtrailers.com doesn’t exist…

    • Big Ron

      Gametrailers heard of it because SMS contacted them to show a community trailer. I know, real sim racing developers don´t need attention for the five people playing their games.

      • Anonymous

        Lol

  • Anonymous

    This is fantastic news, with all that cash, they can work on the physics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/charlessami.amyouni Charles Sami Amyouni

    If pCars will be more than Forza Motorsport, better visualization than Gran Turismo, and “if” it will feature a full content-modding suppport… Man… I’m in! Whatever title will it have in the future, pCars will be promising…

    Looking forward what pCars will it become in the future!

    • Anonymous

      I really hope that modding isn’t supported. The staff are coming out with such good work that I think that most mods would just look embarrassing.  I think it would be far better for the same staff to be kept on for creating top notch DLC. Would rather pay a small amount for good DLC than spends hours ‘testing’ mods only to reject 80+% of them.

      • Anonymous

        I completely disagree.  What you say is an insult to the modding community that literally keep sims alive.  In fact they keep sites like this alive.  If Pcars want’s longevity, then they need modding capability as without it, it will die on the PC platform.  But perhaps they are not that bothered about the PC platform because the money is to earned via the consoles and they can’t have modding anyway.  You people that are hoping for less modding are signing the deathnell for  PC racing sims.  Sad.

      • Anonymous

        A bit over dramatic of you there. People come from different sim racing backgrounds. Mine is mostly from iRacing having gone through Live for Speed, rFactor and netKar. I’ve tried some  fantastic mods and also some absolute stinkers. After moving over to iRacing I just take it for granted now that, even if I don’t like all of the content, I know the quality is always extremely good and improves as the track and car creators work with the creators of the sim and they constantly evolve together. 
        When I see all the detail that goes into the pCARS content I want that high level of quality to remain and to be consistent. 

        There are enough sims that already cater for people who want to try ten different versions of Brands Hatch. I know the modding community is vast but just because I am a sim racer doesn’t mean that I am obliged to support it. I’m not being negative towards modding but I just don’t think it is appropriate for this title. We have seen that top notch cars and tracks can be produced fairly rapidly. There will be 50 odd cars on release with more to follow no doubt. I’m sure that the proportion of licensed content will steadily increase and along with it more laser scanned tracks etc. The popular race series, both current and historic, will be covered within the game already. I just can’t see how modding will do anything more than flood the game with unnecessary additional content whist reducing the overall quality. No disrespect to modders but I would think that there are not more than a few who are anywhere near as good as the top tier professionals who do this work for a living day in day out.

        More drama with your deathnell comment. I’m sure that pCARS will attract large numbers from consoles to PC sims as it will give them a taste of something they probably had been unaware of before. I expect the content following the game will be developed on the PC and ported to consoles as has been happening. I’m sure there is room and support for all our sim racing interests and think you need to calm done a bit. I don’t think pCARS can be help responsible for the death of any aspects of PC sim racing. If any areas do die out then surely this would be an indication of a lack of interest and could be seen as progress. Perhaps you think that software companies should be subsidising the modding community. I thought modding was done mostly for enjoyment so don’t understand why this should stop just because some titles may chose not to be open to it.

  • http://twitter.com/timpiie Timpie Claessens

    I don’t wanna come over as “that guy” but didnt they say like 2 months ago that they didn’t need anything anymore and they were gonna cut off the community funding?
    Marketing move ftw? :/

    • http://twitter.com/Uff182 Andrea Candini

       It has already been explained many times, read the other comments on this subject down this page.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gulyopapa Gulyás Tamás

    Sim or Arcade BTW … Asetto Corsa gonna be a sim, no doubt about it … pcars never …

  • General Rush Hour

    Just a bit of information to all you owners of PCARS. 
    Not sure everyone knew that with buying PCARS you are also hired by PCARS to perform jobs. 

    “A second part of your ‘job’ is to make sure that the game is shown properly and promoted to the ‘outside world’, i.e. on the internet outside the forums. That means that you can tell everyone about the project and encourage them to join, and when promoting the game through videos or screenshots you should make sure that you stress the good sides and not what needs fixing or what is absent. When making pictures or videos of problems with the game, post them only on the WMD forums or use links that are ‘private’.” 

    • Anonymous

      Well said.  Now all you Pcars employee’s  (that’s all of you who have joined WMD) remember you must not express any negatives about the game whatsoever or you will be fired.  As for VR moderators, well you should be entirely neutral in this respect.  Can you be neutral?  I hope so for the sake of the sim racing community.   

      Me, well I am not a PCars employee but I do regularly check the builds and whilst they look darn nice, they are still in the realms of Shift 2 in all other respects without a shadow of doubt except for a lack of see-saw handling that seems to have been ironed out now.  I can have my opinion because I don’t fear the sack and I am not a WMD/SMS employee or share holder or whatever else they want to call themselves this week.  

      Lets hope the physics improve over and above the graphics over the next few builds.

      Good evening and regards to all sim lovers.  

      Eugene.

      ps, please don’t resort to insults, it’s just my opinion, just as you have yours.

      • Anonymous

         I am going to call you a name Eugene. You are a hypocrite.

        You call supporters of PCARS “employees” in an insulting manner-and please don’t attempt to insult my intelligence by denial, yet you speak of “regularly checking the builds.”  So, either you are a member, which according to your definition makes you an “employee” also, or you’re judging the builds by the pictures you see. My guess though is that because you say “I am not a WMD/SMS employee or share holder….” that you are simply basing your opinion off the opinions of others. If that’s the case then your opinion isn’t even your own.

        So, you are either a hypocrite or completely full of bullshit. It seems to me that a “happy millionaire” would be smart enough to develop his own opinion based on facts he collected rather than hearsay, but I’m no millionaire so maybe I’m wrong.

      • Anonymous

        Whatever you say big man.  I might have known you would resort to type.  As for you taking it personally, well have a good cry but don’t take it out on the dog.  There’s a good chap.  And you are one of the things you alluded too.  Are you going to threaten me now?  I have insulted you in your little mind after all.  But remember, I take it very serious so be careful.  🙂 🙂 lol.  You make me laugh.

        And remember, Mr Bell does regard you all as employee’s.  He states this quite openly.

        ps, I’ll be away for now.  Got a dinner party to go to.  

      • Anonymous

        That’s exactly my problem with you. You accuse me of “resorting to this type”, yet you mock all fans of PCARS by referring to us in an implied derogatory term-employees. Like I said, pure hypocricy.

        Interpret what else I said how you like. I’m not going to have a tough guy battle with you on the keyboard.

        Now, since you insist, show me exactly where Ian Bell calls members of PCARS employees in the sense that we are working for him please. Give your nonsense a bit of validity.

        Also, I’m a bit surprised you have no rebuttal of my perception of your insight as to why you so hate PCARS. Perhaps I am correct that you are also an “employee”, or maybe that you’ve never even driven PCARS? I suspect the latter. 

        Otherwise great rebuttal. lol 🙂 🙂    How do you manage to type when your ego has such big fingers?

      • Anonymous

        You quoted: “That’s exactly my problem with you. You accuse me of “resorting to this type”, yet you mock all fans of PCARS by referring to us in an implied derogatory term-employees. Like I said, pure hypocricy.”

        And what do you call people here that post negative remarks about the game?  You call them TROLLS,  HATERS and many other things.  Who is the hypocrite?  

        As for PCars, I’ll come clean with you.  I am a  Team member and if I can find the very thread and post where Ian Bell tells a member that WMD forum members are basically is employee’s and he can sack them if they post negative publicity.  I’ll try and find it, it did exist but it may have been deleted for some reason or another if you get my drift big man.  Now enough of your childish drivel and internet bullying please.  There’s a good chap.

      • Anonymous

         If someone comes in and says “the game is rubbish” or “it drives like an arcade” and gives no further explanation, then yes, simply put they are a troll or hater or whatever. However, you can look through every post I’ve made here or anywhere and realize that if anyone has ever made a post with more than about five words in it I’ve never called them a troll or otherwise-including you. So, I am not a hypocrite. In fact as I’ve said before I can totally respect anyones opinion good, bad, or indifferent as long as even a bit of logic is given as to why they feel that way. I’ve even “liked” posts that point out negativity simply because the author articulated certain points that helped me realize exactly why something felt “a bit off” to me also.

        The difference between you and I is that you’ve generalized an entire group and attempted to degrade us, all the while supposedly belonging to said group. Yet somehow you’ve tried to put yourself above all of us even though you say now that you’re a “co-worker” of ours. The pot calling the kettle black I see.

        So, while you’re trying to find that thread about what Ian Bell wrote regarding us all as basically now-disposable employees-since he can “sack us” at will, try to find a post where I’ve called anyone anything when they’ve given even one legitimate reason as to why they don’t like PCARS.

        You know, it’s funny that I didn’t find a “Eugene Mickleburger” in the PCARS registry. I don’t think I believe that you’re a member but at this point it doesn’t matter because you’ve already been caught in the lie either way. Now when you once again can’t back your B.S. up by proving any of your other points you’ll understand what I meant when I posted “think twice.” It’s so easy to tell a lie, yet so difficult to prove it eh old chap?

      • Anonymous

        You don’t know who I am and you don’t know what you are talking about.  Grow up kid and stop insulting people.  “sigh”

      • Anonymous

         I’m 34 and don’t make up B.S.. But yeah, I’m the one that needs to grow up.

        Anyway, I’ve had my fun, and now I’m done.

      • Anonymous

         Yeah, I didn’t think you had actually driven PCARS. Your opinion has no validity.

    • Anonymous

      Your post is fine GRH 🙂   I don’t know why you thought it would get touched.   You’re paranoid 🙂

      Nice of you to take the time out to do some research, but what is your point here ?

      I’m not sure ‘hired to perform jobs’ is the right way to look at it.  You get paid for being hired.
      But this seems like a perfectly reasonable, sensible and logical request.  
      If you were writing a game and invited people in to test it as you were writing it, would you want them bad-mouthing it while you’re still making it ?  

      This isn’t like you buying a game then telling people how much you like or dislike it.
      With pCARS you are part of the community that overseas the actual construction of the game until it’s final release.  During that time, as with all games, there are bugs and issues which need fixing.  It’s pretty obvious why SMS wouldn’t want those fixable bugs and issued being blabbed around and people shouting the game sucks because of these bugs. 

      I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.   I think this new concept from WMD is confusing some people, especially those that cannot seem to grasp the principles of coding a game.

      • Anonymous

        Is that a neutral response F1?  Or a WMD employee response?  Hard to tell really.  Just asking like.

      • Anonymous

        *sighs*

      • Anonymous

        “sighs”  Yes that fine Montoya, but why are you sighing?  Have I done or said something that breaks the rules here?  Just wondering?  Perhaps I should reply to your response with a “rolls eyes”?

      • Anonymous

        The paranoia is just tiring, don’t you have anything else to do?

        If you somehow disagree with pCARS, why are you reading these stories, why are you leaving comments in here? I just don’t get it…take it or leave it, nobody’s forcing you to do anything.

        I’m really fed up by the countless accusations of being biased etc. I’ve been as transparent as possible but apparently not even that is enough for some people. I really start to stop caring because these discussions lead nowhere. You just want to push your negative agenda at all cost, expecting some sort of conspiracy around every corner.

        I guess it says a lot about pCARS that some people just can’t stop to come here and post the same untrue accusations again and again.

      • Anonymous

        I do apologize Montoya.  I didn’t realize only positive glowing admiration was allowed here.  Can you suggest another forum where we are allowed to speak?  What’s the chances of a new blog with completely free speech on here?  No?  Well I apologize again to you and ask again, have I broken a rule?  

        ps, I have no paranoia whatsoever and I really don’t see where you are getting the thoughts from? I am a happy millionaire who happens to love spending time racing sims and speaking my mind on occasion. Sorry once more if it upsets you.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for proving my point. Your sole reaction is to cry wolf again, accusing me of wanting to silence you when all i’m asking you is to stop beating a dead horse that has been discussed a thousand times.

        All the points and fault you raise have been explained and it comes down to you not liking pCARS or the concept. That’s fine… but you don’t have to tell everybody every single day… Who exactly is preventing you from freely speaking? I have been more than tolerant, other forums would have banned some of the people that cause trouble here a long time ago. But again, nobody seems to value that, instead I have to face even more accusations…. 

      • Anonymous

        First of all I am not accusing you of anything and secondly I am not crying wolf.  In fact thirdly I didn’t even think you were trying to silence me.  So I ask you why are you getting so upset?  Finally I don’t tell everybody anything everyday.  Where are you getting this all from?  And I am speaking freely.  You have lost me I’m afraid.  Why would anyone have been banned for discussing this and why do you need to be tolerant?  Are you neutral here?  And what point are you trying to prove?  Finally, this dead horse you refer to, what is it exactly?  Is it the fact that some people find the game a little lacking and are trying to steer it to a more sim like position or is it the fact that some people just find Pcars a little lacking as to what they expected?  I am not crying wolf and I am certainly not afraid to speak freely and never once thought you were preventing that.  Obviously others here do think that though.  I don’t envy your position here as moderators and owners and it surely must be stressful sometimes trying to keep companies as well as customers happy.
        regards
        Eugene.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry but when I read this  ” Is it the fact that some people find the game a little lacking and are
        trying to steer it to a more sim like position or is it the fact that
        some people just find Pcars a little lacking as to what they expected?”      I laughed so hard.

        Are you telling us that people like yourself, pcarsphysexpert, Gulyas Tamas, to name but 3 are people who “find the game a little lacking and are trying to steer it to a more sim-like position” ?

        And their way of trying to help steer it that way is to scream that its arcade and how bad it is and it sucks etc.  Generally just trying all they can to drag it through the mud.   Thats help that SMS doesn’t need. 

      • Anonymous

        The other people you mention I don’t know.  I am not screaming that it is arcade either.  I am stating in a sensible and un-paranoid manner that I find it lacking compared to other established sims.  What I am finding hard to understand is why you and Montoya are so for Pcars no matter what state it is in?  Aren’t you supposed to be neutral here?  Why is upsetting you so much?

      • Anonymous

        You haven’t been keeping up have you ?   If you did you’d know what my view on pCARS is.  It’s not what you might think.

        OK so you find it lacking.  Then explain in what way.  Just be cool about it, thats all.
        I know one thing, if I don’t set my wheel up and controller settings just right, the cars feel awful.
        Bear that in mind before you judge.

      • Anonymous

         Your posts are still here are’nt they ?  And you wouldn’t have a clue how to post positive glowing admiration.    If this is you ‘happy’ then what are you like as a pain in the arse ?

        Maybe you should find a topic where you know what you’re talking about. 
        Also I`ll think you`ll find a few so-called ‘free speech’ forums around but I think you’ll find they too have moderators.  Now why would that be ?

      • Anonymous

        Now your response is exactly the response a moderator should not do.  I am not asking why my posts are not here or what I can or cannot post so why are you jumping on this?  I am not giving positive glowing admiration so that entitles you, a mod, to jump on me for some reason does it? Why are you like this?  Surely you should be neutral?  I really don’t understand why you are jumping on negative posts so much?  Not just mine (if they are negative) but any and all.  Surely you should just be moderating?  

        I bid you good night sir.

      • Anonymous

        I’m not neutral when it comes to troublemakers.   And dont think that every time I jump on you its as a mod.   I am free to have my opinion aren’t I ?   Or are you going to tell me what I can and can’t post now.

        No I don’t just moderate.  I’m a member here too and can post just like anyone.  The difference is I can sort out troublemakers too.
         

      • Anonymous

         I dont work with or have any association with WMD or SMS.  I only download their weekly builds like other people.    Besides it wasn’t up to my response to be neutral anyway.

        Just telling like !   

      • Anonymous

        “This isn’t like you buying a game then telling people how much you like or dislike it.
        With pCARS you are part of the community that overseas the actual construction of the game until it’s final release.”

        But surely someone who has paid to to help in the construction should be allowed to post negative points where ever he likes?  After all my employer does not expect me to pay him, he pays me????

      • Anonymous

         Your definition of ‘negative points’ is quite different to most peoples.

        Where I might say, for example “the rear suspension on the Formula A car doesn’t feel quite right in the slow corners”.  you would say “This car sucks!  No grip.  It’s arcade !”

        Yeah keep pushing on the employer/job thing.  It’s just making you look even more foolish.

      • Anonymous

        You are wrong.  I don’t state any of that.  Please stop making it up.  That is making you look foolish.

      • Anonymous

        Well you seem the type.  Hopefully you`ll prove me wrong one day and show me that you have something worthwhile to contribute.

      • General Rush Hour

        So you just confessed to make things up about Eugene then say “well you seem the type”. 

        Come on now F1Racer…. 

      • Anonymous

         Push my buttons once more,  just once.

      • Anonymous

         Just wondering, how long would your employer employ you if you went around bad mouthing them “wherever you like.”

        There is a certain civility expected in any relationship. Also, if you do go post negativity wherever you like how does that help the person/company you’re badmouthing? If your point is that you don’t like a certain thing(s) about the thing you signed up to help develop-(which was clear to me when I signed up)-then why not let know the people who can address your problem? Now if your point is simply to hear your own voice so-to-speak then sure, you would blab nonsense wherever you like. If your M.O. is to convince the world that because you say something is this or that, well, good luck. Other than the people who either agree with you because they have developed their own opinions,-which is cool by me, I can understand that-or those who value the opinions of people they’ve never, nor will they likely ever meet, frankly noone gives a damn what you think.

        Also, thanks again to all the posters with good, bad, or indifferent comments. Once again a PCARS thread has topped 100 posts. Whether you realize it or not you have again contributed to the hype. And as I said above, unless there’s a lot of people out there that are too stupid/naive/dependent to develop an opinion of their own-they won’t give a damn what you think either.

      • General Rush Hour

        Everyone take note of how a moderator here reacts to PCARS own words. 
        It´s sensitive information it seems. 

        I´m not paranoid one bit, however you seem VERY paranoid. How else would you explain the wall of text? 

        Do you not have a “job” to do? 
        Oh that´s right, you are doing the “job” right about now…

    • pez2k .

      ‘Hired’ isn’t exactly the right word since the same terms specifically state you are not part of SMS.
      As for them asking members not to publically badmouth pCARS, that’s actually pretty generous when there’s normally just a NDA for this sort of thing. With the way these comment threads go on and on though, I sometimes wish it was all under a NDA instead…

  • General Rush Hour

    Maybe i should educate the people here on what a Simulation is as well as the term is used way to relaxed these days. 

    Sim is a shorter word for simulation. Now what does Simulation mean? 

    [noun] (computer science) the technique of representing the real world by a computer program;
    “a simulation should imitate the internal processes and not merely the results of the thing being simulated” 

    This is exactly the reason why PCARS isn´t a sim. The same reason why GT5 isn´t a sim either.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

      Still waiting for your explanation why pCars isn’t a sim.

      • General Rush Hour

        And i´m still waiting for your real name coward. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        iscared bro. 

      • General Rush Hour

        For once in your life, stand up and take it like a man. Give us your real name.

      • Anonymous

        Seriously how much more crap do you think you are going to get away with ?    You are severely pushing your luck right now.

      • General Rush Hour

        Am i really? 

        Do you expect me to answer questions from a guy that has taken a piss on several people for the only reason of being educated? 

        No thanks. 

      • Anonymous

        I only expect you to behave.  That goes for Steve too, stop goading him !!!   

        Decide now which you value most, this argument with Steve or your ability to post on VirtualR.

      • General Rush Hour

        Do me a favor and check who replied to who first. 

        It seems you consistently miss that part. 

      • Anonymous

        Whats this consistently crap ?   Quote me other times!

        I really dont care who started it.  You’re both being told to stop and because you have decided to take things a few steps further in your provocations including with me and Montoya,  your situation is decidedly more precarious.

      • General Rush Hour

        See now you change your tone. First you are on me for “goading” Steve. 
        Then when you realize he was the problem here you say “i don´t care who it is” 

        And if you look again you will see you have only adressed me. 
        Neutral wasn´t it?`

        “You are both being told to stop”

        That´s a lie. As everyone can see you haven´t told him anything.

      • Anonymous

         No you mis-read what I put.  I was telling Steve not to goad you.   Perhaps I should have written it clearer.

        Read it again.

      • General Rush Hour

        I did not mis-read anything. You miss-wrote it if anything. 

        And no, it wasn´t aimed at Steve, you specifically told me to stop goading steve but then after my post you edited it and changed it so you could make the post above. 

      • Anonymous

         Jeezus !!   I just can’t win with you can I ?     I wrote something down that was grammatically wrong, you pointed it out and despite how I feel about you right now and all this crap you’ve been pushing on me,  depiste ALL that, I was still big enough to apologise to you for my own mistake.

        Then I corrected it.

        But that’s not good enough for you is it?  No. You insist that I changed it for some other reason ?
        For what ?   You think I have to defend myself against you ?     
        Get real !

    • Anonymous

      Oops!  I think you just proved why it IS a sim.     Great education, teacher !

      You can argue how accurate that simulation is but pCARS certainly qualifies for the above description. 

      • General Rush Hour

        I think you must have read half of it. 

        “and not merely the results of the thing being simulated” 

        This is where PCARS fails. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        How so?  

      • General Rush Hour

        Leave your real name here and i´ll leave an answer. a win win situation. 

        If you are man enough that is. 

      • Anonymous

         so your real name is “General Rush Hour”?

      • General Rush Hour

        It´s as real as the word smart being a reflection of you in your login name here. 

        I bet the number 13 is though.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SKGIPDGL2RZ7HEIC7RLIIYK2L4 VK

        s martin likely is.

      • General Rush Hour

        wow you are all so smart, i´m highly impressed you figured that one out. 

      • Anonymous

        So which internal processes are not being simulated? Be specific now in telling us what you think is being left out.

      • General Rush Hour

        You know what we can do for fun this time? Being that it´s Friday… 

        You list why PCARS should be considered a sim. 
        And then list all the internal processes PCARS have. 

      • pez2k .

        Since you’re the one trying to prove something, the burden of proof is on you. Of course, you’re just here to wind people up instead of actually discuss the topic at hand so I wouldn’t expect an actual solid argument.

  • Anonymous

    Congratz to SMS, much deserved cause of the progress you guys do with every build!

    For those still curious if it’s worth it to invest:

    The game will probably beat the other sims in graphics and basecontent. I think that much seems certain. The Sounds are getting better and more detailed with every build but GTR3’s sounds still seem more “real”. Some of the cars already sound excellent and raw in pCars though.
    Now to the physics which seem to be the hot topic in every pCars thread so far.
    Ian Bell seems to push the team for at least Kunos level physics. ( At least he said so )
    They also hired someone who seems to have the credentials and is into hardcore sims to tweak the tyre model + they also got doug arnao who did the physics for the cars in GTR 2 ( 99% of the work on that was done by the guys who work now at SMS).
    Is it at FVA level physics already ? 
    Of course not, it’s 1 year from release.
    Are they making progress in this area ? Hell yeah.
    The basics are definately there in contrast to what some doomsdayers here seem to preach.

    I still plan to by all the sims coming out. I’m looking forward to all of them.
    If i had to choose right now i’d probably choose Assetto Corsa as my main game for leagues ( If its at least on par with FVA physics of course ).
    I still think theres a good chance SMS can match Kunos in the physics since most of the stuff people think is “arcade” about pCars is just detailstuff about how the tyres react at the limit.

    Hope this helped some decide if an investment is worth it.
    Also: Constructive and Detailed Feedback about everything, including the physics on the pCars forum seems very welcome in contrast to comments on virtualr.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SKGIPDGL2RZ7HEIC7RLIIYK2L4 VK

      “99% of the work on that was done by the guys who work now at SMS”

      That is not true.  While the work was done people who left Simbin to form Blimey, now SMS, more than half of the people who did that work do not work for SMS right now for a variety of reasons.  They got rid of all their part time people which took out a lot of them, then they had another purge after Shift2 was released, and along the way there was just basic attrition.  FWIW, most of the people who worked on GTR2 also worked on GTL.

      • Anonymous

        Thx, you’re right. I should’ve added “at the time” but took the sentence out since it doesn’t add to my point anyway. 🙂

  • http://www.devotid.com/ devotid

    wheres the re-do button?…….. i just read this whole damn thing and i want those 30 minutes back…..lol

    Some of the Best Trolling i have ever seen going on in here……. ALL TIME!

    Montoya im truely amazed you keep your cool as often as you do……. Keep it up :)….. and be as bias as you want ITS YOUR SITE….lol

    Viva Virtual R!

    devotid.
    15 minutes a day to realize im not the only simracing crazed auto nerd on the planet.

  • Big Ron

    I bet even an empty article…..just with pCARS-topic….will attract haters to post their maintenance-free arguments.

  • Andrew Holdaway

    I have thought about the whole arcade/simulation debate and finally found an answer. A mathematical equation.

    I call it the fanboy function:

                            100a=b

    Where a is the designated variable, either 1 if you have payed for or subscribed to a particular racing game or 0 if you have not, and b is the games simulation score in %, with 100% being a perfect simulation game and 0% being a rubbish arcade game.

    Lets look at a worked example.

    I have payed for pCARS, therefore, a is equal to 1.

     100a=b therefore 100x(1)=100 therefore b equals 100%, so pCARS is the perfect simulation racing game.

    I have not payed for iracing, it is too expensive, therefore a is equal to 0.

    100a=b therefore 100x(0)=0 therefore b equals 0%, so iracing is rubbish and ARCADE!!!!. You will find this logic in any fanboy debate be it the merits of pCARS or the play station/ xbox debate. I hope this makes it clearer to those who just want to play good racing games.

  • Andrew Holdaway

    assetto corsa

    100a=b

    100x(0)=0%

  • General Rush Hour

    Oh shit i just got an epiphany! 

    Steve Ford you are busted. This is what Steve Ford likes to do on his free time, check the comments he´s made to several guys on youtube, 

    You have some issues, some serious ones. 
    http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRedrivervally 

    Check out the guy above watching boxing clips, then check Steve´s facebook, 
    HBO Boxing. 
    http://www.facebook.com/steve.ford.73 

    And both guys are from Canada. 

    I got you so good now Steve you have no idea. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

      iscared bro

      • General Rush Hour

        How about terrorizing every single person who put up an iRacing video saying it was the biggest scam in simracing history hahaha you are the one needing to see psychiatrist. 

        Also take note on the spelling, not sure you have learnt the alphabet still though.

      • Anonymous

        Okay, I`ve had it.

        Listen. Nobody here gives a crap about the personal vendetta you have going on here.

        Either you guys both stop this right here and now or you`ll both be getting a one-month ban. 

        I’m serious, it seems that you`re unable to handle leeway and mistake it for weakness. Nobody cares about the issues you have with each other, it’s boring everyone… so stop it now or else!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        I’m fine.  humpass is crazy.  Just ask Nim why he was banned from iracing forums.  He’ll tell you.  😉

      • General Rush Hour

        First of all, you are the crazy one, you are so crazy that you even deleted your youtube account to hide your tracks.

        That´s how crazy you are.

        Yea ask him about the time i asked for european servers then had to talk to morons like you about why we should have it. 

        Then also ask him about the time when he two weeks later announced european servers. 

        Oh and then there was the time when someone did not want to believe the Vette is techincally mid-engined. 

        Yep got banned for that as well.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        humpass got banned from iracing forums for doing the same stuff he is now.  He’s CRAZY!!!! Just ask Nim!!!

      • General Rush Hour

        For having a brain yes. And talking to morons like you.
        That´s why i get banned, i can´t let people like you pass through undetected. 

        Mother nature will make sure your genepool stops with you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        Where is your mother now?   She needs to help you.  Yes you get banned because of other people. It’s never your fault!! haha.

      • General Rush Hour

        haha this is exactly what i´m talking about…”where is your mother now” 

        I just said it was my fault for getting banned… i just said it´s because of morons like you. 

        I should stop “sitting” on my brain…. maybe you should actually try and find one, it´s obvious you run on brain water. 

      • Anonymous

        Okay, I think it’s obvious that you two simply can’t stop.

        So I’ll help you… see you in four weeks.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        four weeks?!?!

        🙂

      • Anonymous

         Yeah enjoy the break guys.  We will.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        One of my eight friends just came over humpass.  Take care.  Find yourself a homie tonight.  Maybe a closer friend who knows.  Maybe Nim cross jr?   LOL.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003234393978 Lanner Loo

    Is the Stock Car 90/Lumina included in the Junior or Team Membership?

    • Anonymous

      Yes 🙂

    • Anonymous

      [Moved to post above]

    • Anonymous

      The stock car and a very basic notIndy are available for Junior+. Team member+ get a much more complete notIndy together with notBristol and notRichmond, and also the addition of asymmetric setup options.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003234393978 Lanner Loo

        Ok.  So with the Junior deal you get the stockcar and Indy?

        And with Team you get Stockcar, Indy, Bristol and Richmond?

        I’m just making sure I understand what I’m be getting before I buy.

        Thanks for you help!!

      • Anonymous

        Yes. You`ll get Bristol and Richmond as well, with the new Junior build (first Friday of June).

        Junior members get a monthly build while Team Members get weekly builds, that means Team Members have a head start but Juniors get it eventually, they just have to wait a few weeks for it.

        The only exception to that rule are the point-to-point tracks Azure Coast & California Highway, those aren’t available to Juniors.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003234393978 Lanner Loo

        Ok, that makes sense now.  Thank you 2 for the help!!

      • Anonymous

        No worries man. I strongly recommend getting to weekly builds as the development pace in terms of both content and physics is obscene. Nothing to loose by joining as a junior though as it won’t end up costing you any more if you decide to upgrade in stages.

        Some companies may offer a discount to give you an incentive to put more money in than you would naturally want to. Not the case here. The price is the same no matter how quickly you choose (or not) to progress though the membership levels. Don’t forget that any money spend will be discounted form the price of the final game.

      • Swordand Keyboard

         ”The only exception to that rule are the point-to-point tracks Azure
        Coast & California Highway, those aren’t available to Juniors.”

        what is reasoning behind that? any idea?

    • Anonymous

      Most Everything is available to the Jr. Member with few exceptions. If that is the level you would like to jump in at you are very much welcomed but I warn you that you will not want to wait a month for a new build so I recommend a Team Member Pack or above.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003234393978 Lanner Loo

    So it’s included in either one?

    Are the same tracks in each?

  • yorch sincla

    Handling is still weird.

  • http://twitter.com/Michael_42 Michael

    2 cheap tricks.

    They also pulled getting the game from under the member’s feet too, which meant a lot upgraded their membership simply so it would include an (expensive) copy of the final game.

    Laughable really when you think that games like Minecraft were cheaper if you bought in alpha, that these guys have managed to sell the game over the retail price and then get some money on top for getting a few buggy half-finished versions along the way.

    But yeah, they’ve done a good job of squeezing money from the existing base with Ian’s usual mix of BS, superlatives and hyperbole.

    But that’s obviously at the expense of the profits these guys were hoodwinked right at the start that the game would make them. i.e most of the copies of the game that will sell are already bought and paid for in that million funding.

    The rest of us either won’t bother, or will get the game when it’s discounted. I think it’s such a big mistake the game isn’t F2P it’s probably not worth considering. Their moderator was dumb enough to suggest that the aim is for all these investing buffoons to test the game so it’s bug free on release – unbelievable naivety.

    • Anonymous

      Your usual weird mix of accusations and twisted “facts” I see.

      I’m not going to bother and address all of your points, just know that personally insulting people isn’t welcome here. If you can’t make your point without calling others “buffoons” or accusing people of lying without having any proof to back it up then it’s not a good point to make to begin with.

      In what world is 45€ expensive? That’s the standard price (or below) for which AAA boxed titles usually retail. You shouldn’t compare this to sim racing niche titles such as netKar as pCARS will come with a lot more content and as such the price is perfectly justified..it’s actually rather cheap for the console versions, go look what other titles retail for.

      The decision to not go down the F2P route has been made by the WMD community, not SMS. So you`re basically insulting thousands of people for supposedly being stupid…nice.

      • Swordand Keyboard

         no one would pay a sub for this in the 1st place. It would not be profitable just as iracing is not profitable by there own admission.   As there on a ten year plan.

        SImple grammar  school math will show you single box sales will out perform subs. there was never going to be a sub based game community poll or not.

        Also this F2P you speak of is not F2P your buying a game. Free 2 play is when you spend ZERO like world of tanks I can play without spending one cent. PCARS is NOT free to play.

        Your post looks like your a salesman for pcars, which is fine but if you want to be a valid news site you may want to curb opinions. I often see people unfairly give virtualr.net way to hard time on this site (it comes with the territory), it is a news site for are hobby and it is good imho.
        For years I advertised and was a regular at blackhole motorsports news gaming site. (gone but not forgotten)  

        I bought shift one and two and every other race game under the sun. Calling me a ”buffoon” for buying those games is Mickeals opinion?  That is what it is opinion. Personally I don’t feel insulted.

        As far as the quote on whether or not the deadline put forth by pcars is legitimate. He is questioning this? Well personally I can see the point but big picture it does not really matter as long as the game gets produced properly because it will make a nice profit. I am pretty positive about that. Now if people don’t get there investments back.. well to be honest, that would destroy the reputation of the company.  I doubt they would mortgage such a risk on future success or reputation.

        best wishes!

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