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Fanatec Clubsport Wheel Base V2 Revealed

Fanatec has revealed the second edition of their hugely popular ClubSport Wheel base.

Fanatec has revealed the second edition of their hugely popular ClubSport Wheel base.

As predicted by many followers, the new wheel base now features a state of the art brushless servo motor aside from plenty of other improvements as listed in detail below:

Features

Ultra Precise

We replaced the optical sensor with two magnetic high resolution hall sensors mounted on both the motor and the steering axis. The new sensors have double the resolution and the magnetic sensore are less vulnerable to dust or scratched code discs.

Smoothastic

The cogging of this system cannot be felt by a human anymore. It is incredible smooth and feels natural and realistic. It is on par or better with the best and most expensive wheel out there although those wheels costs a multiple of the CSW B V2.

Every little bump can be felt and effects which were filtered by the wheel mechanics can now be felt. Your racing simulations will feel different and new to you.

Rock Solid

Our focus was to achieve high durability even for hardcore users.
• Improved QR release with rubber o-ring and less tolerance in production
• A brushless motor which can be cooled much easier as it gets hot on the outside and not on the inside so heat can be transfered better
• New cooling system featuring an additional fan on the backside right behind the new huge heat sink
• Integrated heat sensor inside the motor
• Motor can now even be operated at 180 C° although the FOR overclocking would be de-activated already at 120 C° and FF would shut down at 130°C. The motor has plenty of power so most people will not use max settings anyway. And during betatests it never happened that a motor was shut down or the FF was cut due to overheating.
• Ball bearings on the motor axis and bigger ball bearings inside the pulleys so we can increase the belt tension and avoid any belt slip. At the same time we have much less drag in the system.
• Magnetic sensors instead of the optical so we avoid problems with dust and scratches
• New main cable
• New electronics
• And many other small improvements to the overall build quality

 Power. A lot.

The new motor is custom designed and exclusive to Fanatec. Although the gear ratio has been changed to increase the rotation speed, it delivers about 75% more torque than the CSW B V1. This means over 7 NM of sheer
power and this is enough to use even heavy rims with no disadvantages. The size of the power supply has also increased in order to feed the big motor.

Brushless Servo

A brushless servo motor is currently state-of-the-art for force feedback systems and in principle this is exactly the same motor as the most expensive direct drive base units out there.
• Smooth performance with no cogging (in combination with our Poly-V belt drive system or direct drive)
• Easier to cool as the heat is on the outside of the motor and not on the motor shaft
• Strong axis with ball bearings
• Optimized for use in stall at max power
• Fast acceleration
• More efficiency -> more torque with same power

We had to develop entire new electronics for that motor as the motor
driver is quite complex. Now that it is done we can easily use it for smaller brushless motors or a direct drive wheel.

In terms of compatibility, Fanatec is taking a new route as the platform-compatability is no longer decided based on the wheel base but the wheel rim that is used on it.

Furthermore, the new CSW base is of course fully compatible to all the new wheel rims and the Universal Wheel hub that have been announced in recent months.

The ClubSport Wheel Base V2 is the next generation of ourwheel base but there is also a strong demand of wheels for “Next-Gen” consoles. People were asking us to make their wheels compatible to the Xbox One and Playstation 4 but if we want to make it official and legal then we need to follow the rules of the console makers and they clearly do not allow
that.

So how can we make a product where there is a chance that the customer can keep at least most of the equipment he purchased? We can easily make the pedals, shifters and handbrake compatible and this is what we did but what about the base unit?

And how can we make a product multi-platform compatible if we can only get approval for a license if the product has only the symbols of either one console on it?

We came up with an idea which brings modularity to a whole new level and protects your investment. If you play on PC then just go ahead and purchase the wheel base as it is and you will not be bothered with symbols which might hurt your eye.

But if you want to enjoy the painless simplicity of a console with its great exclusive racing simulations then you will get the option to buy an optional steering wheel which will
add full console compatibility to this base.

We want to achieve compatibility to both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 and we are happy to announce that we already signed a contract with one of them. We will announce this product at the end of this year.

There will be multiple steering wheels available in different price ranges and they will compatible to several Fanatec base units from mid-range to direct drive.

The new Clubsport Wheel Base will sell for 499,95 Euros/Dollars during the pre-order phase and 599,95 Euros/Dollars once the product hits the market.

Coming with a moderate price increase over the original CSW wheel, the biggest drawback of the new unit will be actually managing to getting one. Fanatec expects that the demand will far outweigh what the company can supply, an invite system will be put in place to manage orders – Simply visiting the Fanatec webshop will unfortunately not do!

The great response we get from our beta testers lead us to the conclusion that the demand for this product will be much bigger than the supply. Production output will be lower as before as we spend even more time on quality control and testing.

At the same time we want to honor the loyalty of our existing customers and want to offer a special pre-order discount for the owners of the current ClubSport and CSR Elite base so that they can enjoy a little upgrade advantage.

This is how it works:
• We will send an e-mail to our webshop customers with an invite code. There will be several waves of e-mails in the next months.
• Only after you entered the code to your profile page you will be able to purchase or pre-order this product
• After you purchased one V2 base you will receive a second code. You can give that to a friend or buy a second base.

Only one code will be given with a purchase as we want to avoid that people are selling their products or invites on eBay and make money with it.
• We will also give away invites in giveaway events so frequent followers of the blog or Facebook will also get a chance to get an invite

This is the priority we will use for the invites to make it as fair and transparent as possible.
1. Webshop customers of the CSW B V1 and CSR E (sorted by purchase date)
2. Webshop customers of other ClubSport products like CSP or CSS
3. All other Fanatec customers

Of course we will treat all territories with the same priority.

Not every customer will use his invite so go ahead and ask your friends if they use their invite of if they give it to you in case you are not on the list yet. It is possible and welcome to transfer invite codes.

Please do not ask our sales team for invites. They are not authorized to give out codes anyway. If it is your turn then you will get an e-mail. We will open a thread in our forum which explains more details and where you can also ask for invites from other members.

By the way, all lucky customers who placed a pre-order for the old V1 base just got a free upgrade to V2 and they are the first to receive the new product.

  • Clive Lomax

    Well my plan was to buy the Round 1 rim and Universal Hub this month… Now considering saving longer to get the V2 Base….. Dificult decision..

  • Marc Collins

    All orders awaiting V1 get a free upgrade to V2. Those who just bought V1 are, as per usual Fanatec policy and practices, out of luck.

    • Fabface

      I also recently bought the V1, but I don’t really see your point – you expect them to take back your V1 and send you the V2 now or what?

    • LogiForce

      Those that have bought a wheel will get an invited going down on purchase date. So it might be a while before they get the invite. Time to safe up for when one does and maybe sell the v1 on ebay or something? In the mean time the v1 buyer can still happily game with the old base.

      Besides, the v1 buyer will have to wait less long before he gets an invite compared to the case where the same person wouldn’t have bought any Fanatec gear.

      But yeah, things like this are always sour. How often did I not buy something and the next week it would be on sale or the price got permanently lowered. Or yeah, like now there was a new better product released within a months time to replace the old one.
      That stuff just happens in life. Nothing you can do about it but to bite through the sour apple.

    • http://www.charmedproductions.com/ kizza42

      Spewing, I literally just bought a CSW1 and haven’t even had a chance to set it up yet and the CSW2 is announced 🙁

      Oh well, I guess it gotta happen to someone….

  • mfcfan

    499,95/599.95 Dollars is lot cheaper then I though.

    Sim steering wheel by Leo peak torque is 16nM if this thing is true 7nM then this is one hell of deal for servo motor wheel.

    Shame that I never owned any Fanatec wheel seems it will be impossible to get one now with limited supply.

    • LogiForce

      Just ask your friends with Fanatec gear if they will use their ‘invitation’ and if not, maybe you can use it instead. 😉

    • Blatant Abuse

      What’s the torque output on the csw v1?

      • mfcfan

        “it delivers about 75% more torque than the CSW B V1. This means over 7 NM of sheer power”

      • Fabface

        So 7Nm * 100 = 16Nm and kg * m = Nm ☺

      • Kevin

        Why is it 100 times more powerful,
        when the fanatec v2 is 7 Nm and the Leo Bodnar is 16 Nm?

        Isn’t the Leo Bodnar just 16/7 = 2,3 times more powerful?

      • xisque

        I found this (iRacing forum):

        – A CSW/CSW-Elite produces a peak rated torque of 74.6 mNm with combined rated 10.8 Watt (21.6 Watts effectively) motors.
        – A Thrustmaster T500RS produces peak rated torque of 150 mNm with a single rated 47 Watt motor.
        – A Leo Bodnar wheel produces peak rated torque of 16 Nm (16,000 mNm) with a single rated 500Watt motor.

        That’s 107x more torque on the bodnar vs T500.

        Considering 75% more on v2 = 74.6*1.75 = 130.55 mNm

        That’s 123x more torque on the bodnar vs CSW v2.

      • Fabface

        But that’s the torque of the motors that you compare here, as CSW nor T500 are direct drive that comparison doesn’t say much… compare the torque on the output shaft – OK the Bodnar wheel might still be far ahead, but as I said earlier, why not comparing the Nm/$ if you want to compare a some hundred dollar wheel to a several thousand dollar wheel? I don’t see people on the BMW forums coming along comparing anything to Ferrari or anything similar, so why would you compare the Bodnar wheel with a CSW, they are not in the same price range or targeting the same buyers…

      • toyvonen

        Lol, so by the counts of some people, even after V2 the CSW is still weaker than T500?!?!…sorry, but i can only laugh…i mean, even V1 is stronger with settings max…i don’t need biased people and forums, i’ve owned both, and before that the G25…..and i have no doubts of what i’ve experienced in real world, and that is what i care….oh boy, this V2 is really making many people and interests to take “stange” positions…this is very enjoyable…lol
        Again..CSW V2, it’s already a winner even before it comes out, that is fantastic..Kudos Fanatec!

      • Ghoults

        Those numbers. They are not the final truth. Those may be the motor specs but you need to calculate the effect of the gear or belt drive as well. I doubt fanatec and thrustmaster use the exact same gearbox ratio in their wheels so the actual wheel torque can vary A LOT. Gearbox can be anything from 1:1,1 ratio to 1:30 if you have two or three sets of gears or belts.

        The bodnar wheel output however is just that because it has no gearbox and as such the motor output is also the torque you can feel at the wheel.

      • xisque

        Yup! Even using a motor 100x more torque! Torque on the wheel is all that matters! Just like our cars 😀

      • Ghoults

        My point was that even if fanatex csw motor has 74,6mNm of torque (at optimal rpm?) and tr500 has 150mNM the torque you feel on the steering wheel can still be greater with the fanatec wheel if it has bigger gear ratio.

        Also csw has two motors, how many does tr500 have? When comparing numbers you need to understand what they mean. You can not simply compare two steering wheels by comparing the motor torque outputs and say which one is more torquey. There are other things to consider when making that comparison and those things are just as critical as the motor torque itself.

      • Blatant Abuse

        That’s good information, but I think the V2 will provide sufficient torque. I had the V1 for a while, and it had enough power to satisfy me, and I like a lot. Problem was, after 10 minutes of using it, the motors would overheat and it would fade to the power of a DFGT (or maybe less) for the rest of the race. So if the V2 has solved that problem, and it has at least as much torque as a V1, I’ll be buying one. Yeah, if I had the money, I’d buy a Bodnar, but I probably wouldn’t run it anywhere near full power anyway…

  • Nic Van

    This is really good news. I never really liked my clubsport base due to ffb fading.
    Awaiting different reviews and if all good I’ll know what to ask for as christmas present.

  • Blatant Abuse

    Just a shot in the dark here, but if any of you guys reading this are going to create video reviews of this on YT, please remember to rate its turn speed. One interesting thing I noticed about the T500 vs the CSW V1 was that while the T500 wasn’t as powerful as the CSW, its motor would turn the wheel a lot faster, which was actually very, very noticeable when driving, mostly when trying to catch a slide or countersteer. So if the V2 turns at least as fast as the T500, its a winner in my opinion. Can’t wait to see some reviews.

    • LogiForce

      Turning speed is fast enough to follow the game Physics at a 1:1 rate, no matter what happens.
      As a beta tester I haven’t had any ‘lag’ due to this in my month of driving with a pre-production CSW v2.

      • pastor_tedhaggard

        there is absolutely no way its 1:1. Its a physical impossibility. It’s not a direct drive wheel. Extract from simxperience article:

        Servo & Belt Drive Disadvantages

        Belt absorbs force feedback detail resulting in less driving information being conveyed

        Belt absorbs high frequency details

        Belt wear and stretch result in increased maintenance and product failure

        Low cost motor use dictates a pulley ratio that results in a loss of force feedback detail

        Belt friction results in lost efficiency

        Additional mass of pulleys must be overcome by the motor.

        Your opinion is therefore false.

  • David Hughes

    I’ll pay in dollars then.

  • Ghoults

    I remember reading on the iracing forums that they had some kind of ffb speed test there. Basically some kind of app that gives the wheel a ffb signal and then measures how fast the wheel can rotate from center to left and then right. The way the csw was built (the sensor was on the wheel axle instead of the motor axle) added tiny bit of lag to the ffb when changing directions.

    With csw2 the sensor is probably in the motor (‘cos it uses a servo) which helps the csw in that ffb test but the lag is then moved to the steering.

    Basically there is always little bit of resistance and slack in the belts. This translates into lag (it is really small but noticeable in the app results). When you turn the wheel there is little bit of lag before the motor starts spinning. And vice versa when the motor turns the wheel. Now depending where the sensor is mounted you either get ffb lag or steering lag. If the sensor is on the motor you get steering lag. If the sensor is on the wheel axle you get ffb lag.

    One of the benefits of the direct drive wheel would be that the sensor, the motor and the steering wheel are on the same axle. There are no gears or belts adding little bit of lag.

    This is of course not a csw or csw2 problem. All ffb wheels that use gears or belts have these problems.

    • Fabface

      “Features

      Ultra Precise

      We replaced the optical sensor with two magnetic high resolution hall sensors mounted on both the motor and the steering axis.”

      • Ghoults

        Ah, missed that. Thanks for pointing out my error :).

      • AeroMechanical

        I’m not sure I like the idea of using hall effect sensors. They’re so finicky and geometry dependent, a lot can go wrong. If just one magnet gets torqued a bit out of alignment, it can start miscounting intermittently and it’s no end of trouble sorting it out.

    • pastor_tedhaggard

      Simxperience wrote an article which came out 3 days ago explaining it very clearly.
      Seems like Fanatec are using the word ‘servo’ to market their product, in the same way the Bolsheviks used ‘socialism’ to market their positions of power!
      http://simxperience.com/Community/SimXperienceDevelopersBlog/TabId/783/ArtMID/1674/ArticleID/13/Direct-Drive-vs-Belt-Drive-vs-Gear-Drive.aspx

      this goes right back to what I’ve been saying for years……..people have been deluded by Thrustmaster and Fanatec, where the stronger FFB clouded what was going on. It’s why I returned my T500 and stuck to my G25, because the standing resistance and the sluggish nature of the ffb oscillation was appalling – i simply could not correct the car as quickly as with my g25, and the steering wasn’t as ‘loose’ – this more than made up for the lack of g25 power.

      i cannot wait to buy the accuforce, its going to be mindblowing, and they have committed to ‘under 2000$’, making Fanatec’s wheel seem massively overpriced.

      • Fabface

        Why wouldn’t they use the word servo when they might actually have a servo motor in it? Servo doesn’t mean direct drive, amongst maybe some more things it simply means the motor “knows” the position of its shaft and can position it with a certain acceleration / speed / angular precision…

      • pastor_tedhaggard

        yeh, i do agree in terms of the definition of servo. But its misleading when they say this in their marketing spiel:
        “Brushless Servo

        A brushless servo motor is currently state-of-the-art for force feedback systems and in principle this is exactly the same motor as the most expensive direct drive base units out there.”

        In principle, sure….in practice, the servo motors used on the direct drive wheels are a world apart.

      • RichardHessels

        Cheap rc toys are full of servo’s.
        Brushless motors can be bought for less 10,- euro.
        They are much more efficient and precise than their brushed counterparts.
        Directdrive servo’s come in many different sizes.
        Not all are made to give 20Nm output.
        You where just reading what you wanted to hear.

        Fanatec could make a direct drive, but that would be hundreds of dollars in raw parts alone.
        So that would go for at least double or triple the money of the CSW V2.
        How many DD wheels would they really sell for such a price tag.
        Next to that those DD wheels are so strong they can be very dangerous to handle.

        I think their solution closes the gap very nicely for an ok price.
        Never seen such sturdy looking parts in a consumer market wheel before.

  • Thomas Jackermeier

    In order to add to the Servo vs. Direct Drive discussion I might want to add a few words.

    A Direct Drive wheel is much easier to develop and therefore the choice of small companies with limited R&D budget. The huge size of the motor makes it very expensive as the cost is also raised by the bigger motor driver and power supply.

    And in theory we could develop a belt driven wheel with 20 NM or more so a lot of things can be done with a belt drive.

    But there is no doubt it has some technical advantages over a belt drive.

    However the really interesting question is: How big are these advantages in practice and how much money is it worth?

    If a belt wears out after 10 – 15 years of daily use, does that really matter?

    The biggest difference between current Direct Drive wheels on the market and the V2 is the maximum torque. If you crank up the FF forces you will be shocked how brutal those DD wheels are and it certainly is impressive if you try it on a show or at a friend who wants to impress you. But will you run at that force level on a 4 hour race?

    The cogging (notchiness) of a V2 cannot be felt by humans. You need a machiene to measure it. So if a DD wheel is better on that, how much does it really matter if only test instruments can feel the difference?

    There is also a big difference between belt drive and belt drive. On our Porsche wheels for example we are using GT belts on plastic pulleys and with the need of belt tensioners. We use some glide bearings instead of ball bearings. (btw the competition does it the similar). In such a system there is some noticable loss.

    On the new CSW B V2 however, we are using Poly V belts on metal pulleys with much higher precision and there is no need for belt tensioners. Other than in the CSW V1, the use of big ball bearings on the pulley and in the motor make sure that we can use a lot of belt tension in the V2. The higher the belt tension, the lower the negative effects of dampening subtle force effects. And there is no belt slip at all.

    This system is so effective that we even had to add artificial dampening (which can be de-activated) by default to the motor just like direct drive wheels do.

    So if our belt drive is already with such a low drag that we had to add artificial dampeneing in order to avoid problems on the center what does that tell you about how close a belt drive can get to a direct drive?

    • Ghoults

      And the negatives of belt drive. Added resistance of the belts and the added inertia of the belts and gear ratio of the pulleys. The big thing about direct drive wheels is not so much the high torque ability but the way the wheel can output very small and very big forces. With belt drive the small forces and nuances are always dampened and minimized by the belt.

      To put it in other way a direct drive motor needs to output just enough torque to overcome the resistance of the ball bearings to turn the wheel. That is literally nothing. That is the smallest force you can feel on a direct drive wheel. On a wheel that uses plastic or metal gears the resistance is little more but generally you can still feel very small forces. With gears you get small amount of play in the wheel which is bad. With a belt there is still little bit of play but I don’t think it is possible to feel it. Anyways, with belt the initial torque requirement of the motor is the highest which directly translates to less nuanced ffb at small forces.

      Whether the dampening effect of the belts is a good or bad thing I don’t know. Some dampening is probably good idea but I’d imagine it is better to have that dampening done on software than mechanically.

      • Thomas Jackermeier

        Direct Drive wheels add dampening to work well and our wheel need to do the same as the mechanical resistance is so low.

        I am not denying that a DD wheel is still better but the question is how big that gap still is and what are you willing to pay for that.

        Perhaps some reviews will tell. A theoretical discussion will probably not help.

      • MrMaki

        That question is easily answered, at least for myself. When I heard you were really building a servo wheel my immediate reaction was something like “YES! We just might get a servo wheel for under 2000€! Maybe under 1500€ for the base! And I might just use my CSW rims as well! Fanatec is so awesome!” …and I do believe that there are plenty of other people out there, who are willing to pay 1500-2000€ on such a wheelbase, especially when they can use there CSW rims on it.

        Yeah well, I am a little bit disappointed now. What I always liked about your company is that you are trying to use state of the art technology and make them available for the masses, for a reasonable price.

        So Thomas, pleeease. Do a real DD-Servo wheel. Don’t make me spend 4000€ on a Bodnar 🙁

      • LogiForce

        The plus side of this Thomas is that new games will be able to add drag/dampening themselves or let that fall-out of their Physics simulation, and do this on a per car basis. This way you can have anything ranging from a Fiat Grande-Punto that has speed sensitive powersteering which you can pinky park, up to a more sports oriented heavier resistance powersteering rack.

        So with no more mechanical drag you can live that control up to the game developers, instead of forcing them to try to work around hardware limitations.
        This should technically lead to a jump in conveying the personalities of cars much better.

    • dd101

      Thanks for the explanation! Looking forward for both – great demand and supply 😉

    • DrR1pper

      “The biggest difference between current Direct Drive wheels on the market and the V2 is the maximum torque” – I disagree but please hear me out.

      Whilst it is true that DD wheels are generally all much higher in peak torque than any non DD wheel, this is not actually what causes the perceived difference in ffb. Unfortunately i have to use my own experiences as proof of this so you’ll need to take it for what it’s worth.

      Ok, i have a T500 wheel that has 6Nm of peak torque. I’ve also tried a Bodnar wheel that was set to 40% max torque which equates to a peak force of 6.4Nm (only 7% higher) which would place it squarely between the t500’s 6Nm and just below the CSW V2’s 7Nm. From my experience of them set at the same peak torque the t500 is still a completely different animal (bordering extraterrestrial to highlight the difference) and the perceived strength of the bodnar is completely incomparable to the T500’s. With the Bodnar, if i crashed the car the wheel would literally rip itself out of my hands and i even managed to cut myself on the rev indicator trying to stop it. Yet I’ve never experienced anything remotely close to that with my T500 but in my comparison they have the same peak torque so how can this be?

      Well, it all comes down to the wheel final (transient) response. First, let me first explain my experience when i moved from a CSR-Elite to a T500 to put things into perspective.

      I recall a while back claiming on the rf2 forums that my experience moving to the T500 literally felt as if it was 2-3 times stronger in ffb peak torque than that of the CSR-Elite’s which later turned out after someone gave me the factual numbers to ofc be completely wrong. The CSR-E had in fact about 5Nm peak motor which meant the T500 was at best only 20% higher in peak torque. So how could my (admittedly subjective) feelings of the strength be so wrong? Looking back i’m fairly certain now that whilst my observation of 2-3x greater peak torque was fictitious, i was just mistaking it for a 2-3x increase in ffb responsiveness. The T500 is powered by a 65W motor vs the 2x15W motors = 30W in the CSR-E, which means the T500 power unit was in fact 2.2x more powerful which fits my apparent perception of a 2-3x stronger wheel (and if the CSR-E had a slighter larger gear ratio which i think it did that would incur additional lag in ffb response vs the t500, then it’s not hard to imagine the perceived strength between wheels being up to 3x. Now the T500 (for all it’s faults still) allowed me to feel details (especially in the lower end of forces) in for example the rf2 GP2 cars that i really couldn’t in my CSR-Elite. The ffb felt like it span up quicker which made noticing car balance behaviour changes much easier in my opinion compared to my csr-e. I recall being so impressed that i could actually drive on the grass without the car just snap over-steering uncontrollably under a little bit of power compared to when using the CSR-E (a total rfactor 2 grass spining fest).

      Ok, so back to DD wheels using the Leo Bodnar wheel for the example.

      If the above is a reasonable way to approximate/estimate relative performance in ffb responsiveness between different ffb wheels, then extrapolating for the bodnar vs the t500rs could be up to ~90x greater ffb responsiveness. The motor is 7.5x more powerful (500W) and being a DD wheel the effective gear ratio is 12x lower than the t500 meaning it can reach the same rotation speed 12x faster (i.e. with 1/12th the ffb lag). When you multiply both of these together to get the final relative ffb responsiveness (7.5 x 12x) you get 90x faster ffb responsiveness on the bodnar vs the T500. Ofc this is just an approximation and there are likely errors as well as areas of efficiency lost by increasing the mass of the motor and increased inertia, etc. But the fact remains, even a conservative estimation would produce a giant difference in the ffb responsiveness which makes the wheel feel apparently stronger when in fact it isn’t.

  • Nasos Charalampou

    @Thomas Jackermeier: My only question about the CSW v2:does it allow the wheel while in a countersteer situation to ”freely” return to center or is it like the T500RS where there is inherent drag-resistance.Cause this is why i stopped using my t500 and returned to a g27.The wheel fights you back when you try to return it to center -especially during drift transitions- after an oversteer moment.

    If the above is rectified then im sold,desoite the price tag.

    • Thomas Jackermeier

      We have a drift mode which lets the wheel spin freely without drag resistance but I leave it up to the reviewers to judge if that makes it better than a G27 or not.

      • Nasos Charalampou

        Thanks for the reply Thomas appreciated

        Lets hope there will be reviewers that know and can test this ”problem”.

      • steve30x

        I have my standard CSR set with drift mode to 1 because with drift mode off it seems to dampen some FFB effects.

  • MC

    So in the UK we’re still expected to pay in Euro’s even though it’s more expensive for us?

    • Thomas Jackermeier

      More expensive than what? Buying in USD?

      Perhaps a good explanation for that would be the decision of your parliament some time ago that despite sharing the same language your island should rather belong to Europe than the USA.
      And this decision was followed by another one which allows your government to add taxes to everything we sell. While your brothers on the other side of the ocean enjoy prices without taxes.

      Or do you want to pay the 599,95 in your currency? Feel free to do so 🙂

      • MC

        More expensive than dollars, yen, AUD. We belong to Europe, we don’t belong to the single currency, we shouldn’t be forced to buy in Euros.

  • steve30x

    It looks like Fanatec are only focusing on the expensive equipment lately. I was hoping for a wheel that was between €200 – €300.

    • Thomas Jackermeier

      Now that we are done with the development of the CSW B V2 we can focus on other products and we see a strong demand for the wheel you want.

      • steve30x

        Thats good news Thomas. I would just like to request that with the next cheaper wheel please make the centre of the rim / sheel black instead of silver. I prefer the black look and would love to have a black cntre of my Standard CSR instead of silver. Also the table Clamp needs work. Its a great concept with the quick release but when I had the wheel bolted to a cockpit I felt better FFB through the wheel than with the table clamp. Also even with the table clamp as tight as I can get it , its still not firmly mounted to the table. Other than that I love the CSR wheel.

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