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DTM Experience – Full Content + Details Revealed

Simbin has released plenty of details on their upcoming DTM Experience title that will be released in two days time!

Simbin has released plenty of details on their upcoming DTM Experience title that will be released in two days time!

DTM Experience will bring all cars, drivers & tracks of the 2013 DTM season to the PC, allowing players to complete a full virtual DTM season.

The series’ trademark features are represented within the title as DTM Exeprience features both a full simulation of the DRS system as well as following the series’ qualifying format.

Unfortunately, DTM Experience will not feature any multiplayer functionality outside of its online leaderboards. The multiplayer part has been postponed to the title’s successor, DTM Experience 2014.

Customers who buy DTM Experience before March 31, 2014 will receive DTM Experience 2014 as a free upgrade.

DTM Experience is available via digital download starting December 5, the title sells for 39.95€

Game Modes

DTM 2013 Championship
All 10 rounds of DTM season 2013
DTM Single Races
Unlimited choice of track and car for free races

DTM Tracktest
Free Time attack and training on any track with any car of the DTM season 2013

DTM Leaderboard Competition
Online Time Attack against all players of worldwide DTM Experience

Cars

  • AUDI RS 5 DTM
  • BMW M3 DTM
  • DTM Mercedes AMG C-Coupé

Tracks

  • Hockenheim
  • Brands Hatch
  • Red Bull Ring
  • Lausitzring
  • Norisring
  • Moscow Raceway
  • Nürburgring DTM
  • Oschersleben
  • Zandvoort

  • Sigmatc

    Sorry simbin. but without the much anticipated multiplayer functionality. the title is too pricey comparing to other titles like Reiza Game stock car 2013 for instance which have a much diversified content and much less expensive. but it is just my humble opinion after all.

    • Anonymous

      Same for me.

  • Blur991

    $54.32 USD for three cars and nine tracks doesn’t exactly sound like a good deal as I could buy a racing game that has more content for the same cost or less than half that cost. Strike three with Simbin and I have uninstalled all their racing games from my computer as they have gone down the slippery slope of offering less content at a higher cost.

    • Realkman666

      Oh wow, it’s 60$ Canadian. Ah ah, I didn’t realize. Holy cow.

    • Marco Hooghuis

      Why would you uninstall all games you have because you don’t like their current ones? That’s not shooting yourself in the foot, but in the crotch!

      • Blur991

        I wanted to make a statement in how they lost me as a loyal customer for eight years. Uninstalling the first Simbin title that I purchased and continued to reinstall through the various PC builds over the years makes enough of a statement of my disgust towards their business practices. The Race games I’ve uninstalled because I am tired of something breaking everytime there’s an update.

  • TC

    Huge letdown but will buy it before March 31 if i found a good offer.

  • Lasse Jakobi Ougaard

    Aaaand no multiplayer!…

    What’s going on?! It’s a cool series and all, but I can’t see how this is NOT going to be a commercial suicide, with this feature still missing??

  • Benjamin Dolard

    Simbin keeps disappointing me…

  • Bgis

    No Steam this time around ?

    • Realkman666

      🙂

  • Petros Dialektakis

    This has got to be a joke, right? € 39,95 for a game without a mutliplayer. And when does DTM-E 2014 (with MP) arrive, in December 2014?? Or let me put it this way: Which guarantee do we have that the 2014-Version will be published in 2014?
    I’m getting really tired of these strange tricks, that Simbin/Raceroom is pulling right now.
    Simbin really needs to get their priorities straight! Pronto! First finish the core game before throwing any other incomplete racing game that runs on the same engine! And with a supposed to be online racing game, it has got to be a multiplayer mode, or not?!? I am not buying any other game from Simbin, before they’ve finally fixed this.

    Goodbye Simbin!

  • Adrian Herrera

    I don’t really care about the multiplayer.. theres more than enough options for that. I wanted this as an offline game and that’s what I will use it for..

    Looks like this community only looks for what flaw they can point out in games just to complain…. $50 is too expensive for a video game, I don’t like the brake markers.. blah blah.. with that attitude i wouldn’t be surprised if developers get tired of working on sim racing games only to read complains online.. how much is a PS4 game? $60?

    I love the DTM and I love sim racing. If anything, we need more titles like this for every major racing series… no game will ever be perfect and i prefer a solid foundation on which to build upon than nothing at all.

    Thanks SIMBIN for making this game a reality and i look forward to the 2014 version and the version after that.

    • Realkman666

      Keep supporting these mistakes, then. I’ll be playing rFactor 2 and Game Stock Car.

      • Adrian Herrera

        I will also play rF2, GSC and AC. Don’t see why I should pick just ONE game and complain because it’s not perfect.

      • Realkman666

        Firstly, don’t shout at me. How rude. Secondly, I only support content-makers that respect me. The decision-makers at Simbin belong in the loony bin for leaving RR unsupported for so long, then charging this much for a niche product with unknown AI and no multiplayer racing. If you buy it, you’re telling them they’re on the right track.
        I used to like Simbin and I love DTM, and I hope this fails miserably so that they wake up. I’ll be buying the rF2 T5 mod instead, even if I feel it’s overpriced. There.

      • Adrian Herrera

        What? Why do you say I am shouting at you?

        I will keep supporting all sim racing games (even if they are not perfect) because I have been playing since the original Test Drive and Stunts, also Indycar 1 & 2, and Microprose Grand Prix games on PC and I am grateful for the long way we have come.

        DTM Experience is not the best racing game ever, but I wanted to have a DTM game (also WTCC, Indycar, WEC, etc) and i got one. Next year’s version will be better and it will keep evolving. I can dispose of $50 in exchange for a few hours of fun.

        If we stop buying games because of the color of the brake markers or any particular missing feature then every sim dev will go out of business.

      • Realkman666

        I decide what something is worth to me. They can all go out of business if they don’t offer something I’m willing to pay for. That’s how a market works.

      • Adrian Herrera

        So because YOU think the game is not perfect for your particular taste, then nobody else should be able to enjoy it? Nice attitude dude.

      • Realkman666

        Don’t shout at me. That’s rude. Besides, what are you talking about? The game will come out. Buy it and play it, simple as that. I won’t, and I don’t care if they go out of business. When you choose some clueless incompetent to run your company, that’s what happens.

      • Adrian Herrera

        lol. I just can’t take you seriously. Why do you say I am shouting at you?

      • Realkman666
      • Adrian Herrera

        I typed one word in caps because I cant (or don’t know) how to use bold. I am not being rude or shouting. Cheers mate, nothing else for me to say here. Have a good day.

      • Realkman666

        In a way, I envy you, because some of these tracks are pretty rare and neat.

      • Anonymous

        Just move along, Adrian. This guy’s being a troll about trying to add some inflection when all we can do is type, not speak.

      • Realkman666

        Don’t take your ball with yooooooooooouuuuuu! 🙁

      • Jay Ekkel

        Leaving R3E not supported?

        This game and its gameplay helps develop R3E. DTM ties in perfectly with the R3E platform.

        Its a tough road to develop an engine/platform while also developing experiences like the DTM. Maybe tougher then we initially expected. But the whole team is extremely proud of the quality delivered.

        We can’t do anything about the price, forward your thought to RaceRoom and ITR as they are the ones that make those kind of decissions

      • Realkman666

        I was specifically talking about the “racing” part of the “racing” game. I know there is plenty of content.

      • Jay Ekkel

        There will be racing in DTM, therefor there will be racing in R3E.:)

      • Realkman666

        Yes, I figured the DTM features would trickle into RR. Makes sense.

    • Anonymous

      It’s not about mistakes, money or complaints. Simbin is rushing this out, physics is R3E, tracks (most anyway) are tracks they’ve had for years.
      R3E is still not being developed, only adding tracks and cars for revenue… which is fine, but still no server for multiplayer, not even LAN support.

      Eventually we need to push back… I’ve spent well over 100US on R3E… not going 55US more for the same game, a few other tracks and 3 cars which are 90% alike!

      Sorry Simbin, you’ll have to provide more before I support you further!
      If I did this type work as an engineer I would be released… and I certainly never say, I’m tired of complaints! The clients is right, remember we’re clients!

      • Jay Ekkel

        Cars/tracks are made by artist…..MP and Gameplay made by Coders.

        So yes you will see tracks and cars added to the game, as you will also see features, optimisations, gameplay and eventually MP added to R3E. Art is just something you can see and feel, coding not he other hand is something “hidden” but that does not mean that we are not developing the platform as a whole.

        6 out of 9 tracks are newly developed and most of them scratch made or largely redone. But to no surprises they look exactly like the old tracks, main reason is that the tracks haven’t changed at all in real life. So you can’t expect the track to look completely different……

        But yeah as much as we have like to add Multiplayer 3 months ago, as I have said before, I rather catch some sh*t for not having it, then release a bad MP experience. Which IMO is much much worse.

      • Anonymous

        So instead of putting the team on MP, you create another (in my view) incomplete game? Yea, that adds a lot of confidence… 🙁

      • Jay Ekkel

        I commented in here as well that the DTM Experience is going to merge into R3E perfectly. This means that any development done in DTM benefits R3E and vice versa.

        Having said that and as said above, artist do not create multiplayer code or any code at all. They produce tracks and cars.

      • Anonymous

        Again, this is the first I heard of it…and I read just about every post. Passively mentioning it in a comments section isn’t going to get the word out. Why isn’t that on the product page when someone goes to check it out? It may be a reason to invest, for some.

        I can care less about the art piece of this, you cannot code another game without either stealing coders from another project or hiring a bigger team (that could have finished R3E before taking on a new project). How does DTM-E help with getting the MP into R3E? Yea, thought so.

  • Big Ron

    While € 39,95 isn´t a cheap deal for the package, the license costs need to be considered here besides the fact that the clientel isn´t that big. Nevertheless they would have had a better position if the price would be around the Game Stock Car-packages by Reiza.

    • Anonymous

      I see it as a mini game Race Series title like Super league Formula by ISI which I bought and cost me $19.99 usd. I checked out DTM’s merchandise pricing and it was very reasonable. So deep down I think pricing is all on Simbin

      • Jay Ekkel

        Its not, pricing is set by the license holder and our publisher who holds the rights to the DTM license.

        Even though we are closely related company wise, the setting of prices and distribution/marketing is all handled through the publisher and the rights holder.

        And you will be getting two seasons worth of racing for that price, so IMO even though the price is steeper then I had hoped for 40 euros for two season of DTM racing, not bad at all..

      • Anonymous

        Well let’s hope they get it right because you guys will suffer the most. This is basically an expansion which you use to sell for way less for Race 07. If it’s the publisher Kick them to the curb because they are committing marketing suicide. What do you need them for anyway in the digital DL world?
        As for you? You will always be a class act in my book even with your cut on Ian but you cannot ignore he has the ability to make things happen when things are stretched a bit!
        I hope you guys can do the same but a restructure is in order.

      • Jay Ekkel

        Well Ian and SimBin that is a whole different story which I will not comment on any further, but kudos to the “old” guys that are still there. The investment from a 1st party publisher like EA surely helps to boost your image!

        As said we have close ties to our publisher RaceRoom as both SimBin and RaceRoom are owned by the same person.

        In the end 39 Euros for at least 10 hours of fun…still a bargain if you ask me.

        Could it have been cheaper, maybe, but not our call.

      • Realkman666

        Thank you for the explanation. But, honest question, who asked for the coloured distance markers? Is that a DTM requirement for the game or just artistic licence from the develeoper?

      • Jay Ekkel

        This was answered in one of our Q&A videos.

        Short version, we wanted to get rid of the pop-up brake markers as we used in our old games. But we did not want to loose the ability for new/novice users to get “lost” on the track.

        We are now looking into making it an option to use the big coloured ones or the “normal” ones. But since this is a re-design it takes some time to implement.

        There are plenty of people that do use them, and plenty that don’t see them (anymore). So doing a quick swap would only cater to the vocal minority and potentially awaken the anger of the people that do use them. Either way someone is going to be unhappy about it.

      • Realkman666

        I have never seen one positive comment about them, so that’s why I figured that the vocal minority was simply the overwhelming majority. Keep us posted!

  • Michel Forest

    Can we get this in North America?

    • Realkman666

      Digital download, yes.

    • Anonymous

      Yes… 39.99 Euro = 54.35US… no multiplayer and though I’m an off-line guy mostly, not going to help them here. Is this title going to Steam? I’ll wait for a Sale, they’re bound to have one as sales should be low!

  • RobertH

    Tried the demo, it’s oke(ish), FFB is weak (with al the settings to max).
    Overall feel of the car is far from perfect, and the sound is missing low frequencies. The game needs some more tweaking to make it perfect..

    • Adrian Herrera

      FFB with all settings to max?? No wonder why you don’t like the feeling…

    • Jay Ekkel

      We have had plenty of (DTM) racedrivers in the simulators, plenty of them experienced simracers and they get out of the simulator covered in sweat and extremely satisfied……

      The feedback that we received is very positive, they can get in the seat and get up to speed real fast establishing similar lap times as they would in real life. So I think we are pretty close to the real thing. 🙂

      • Anonymous

        Hmmm sounds like you need to relocate your simulators outside of the company sauna’s if the drivers are sweating that much.
        Anyway do the right thing and offer us a free historic DTM DLC pack and I will buy it!!!

      • Jay Ekkel

        Historic DTM DLC does sound tasty!

    • BackMarker

      thanks for the brief review.

  • Chris Wright

    On many levels this looked like it was a real bargain, then the bombshell of no multiplayer dropped into the mix. What on earth is going on with this SimBin engine that seems to prevent this right now?

    Doesn’t matter a jot to me personally, as I am predominantly an offline racer, but this will clearly hurt sales. The proximity of the GT6 launch might not help matters either.

    The good news is that there’s a free 2014 upgrade, with online play, for early adopters. I will be at the front of the line when this launches in a day or so, and hope someone modifies those silly markers with the speed of light.

    Really looking forward to racing at Zeltweg!!!

    • Anonymous

      Can the markers be modified out? As silly as it sounds, that’s what’s keeping me from trying this. They annoy they __ out of me!

      • Realkman666

        Deal-breaker for me also.

      • Anonymous

        I agree, it just shows they aren’t listening to the users!

      • Jay Ekkel

        uuuuuuh, we have already said we will work out a way to make it an option to switch between the big brake markers and the normal/real ones.

        But as anything within game development it takes a bit of time to get it done, and right now our focus is on getting DTM out. After that we will have to collect ourselves and then further develop R3E

      • Fatty Jakes

        The focus should be on getting DTM released AND selling plenty of copies. Sim Bin seem to be about to fail miserably with the 2nd part because of the excessive price. A realistic selling price will put SB back onside with a lot of RRR3 users and with other (disgruntled with SB) sim racers. I really believe that Sim Bin need to reconsider their pricing strategy.

      • Jay Ekkel

        SimBin does not decide on the pricing strategy. This is done by our publisher RaceRoom and the rights holder and in this case that is ITR/DTM.

        It is outside our power to change the current strategy, but you can send any feedback you have (in a civil manner) to our publisher at info @ raceroom.com

      • Fatty Jakes

        Have told you my feedback and I’m not begging you to drop the price to a sensible level. I just saying that I think you should.

        The lack of sales will probably wake your publishers up. Meanwhile, like most other sim racers, I’ll just stick to playing Assetto, rFactor2 and GSC 2013. Don’t need your overpriced stuff to be honest.
        Its up to you and your publishers to make your product attractive to customers to buy and judging by the feedback so far, you are failing miserably.

      • Jay Ekkel

        I highly appreciate the feedback we are getting. It being civilised is a plus and where needed I will try and respond!

      • Fatty Jakes

        Good luck with your product. I may buy into it one day, who knows.

  • Weyland-Yutani

    What no mp? No thanks!

    • Anonymous

      Yep, absolute fail. First they come up far short on RRRE, now this… RIP, Simbin

    • BackMarker

      Not having MP in itself is not a deal-breaker for me. imho,ymmv Is the MP going to be given out as a free update/patch later on for this DTM game?

  • Realkman666

    “Buy at a discount before anyone can report on how bad the AI is.”

    • Adrian Herrera

      You can try out yourself “how bad” the AI is right now with the free demo.

      • Realkman666

        False.

      • Adrian Herrera

        The demo has AI. I played for two hours last night. Go download it right now and try for yourself.

      • Realkman666

        In what place did you finish?

      • Silvio

        easily first

      • Realkman666

        There’s a scoreboard?

      • Mario Strada

        No, there isn’t. The “AI” in the Demo is the same AI that R3 has. Useless. It drives as if you were not there and push you offroad and it’s generally very slow. Plus the demo has no race mode I could find.

      • Realkman666

        I didn’t even know RR had AI. Thanks. What the hell, Simbin.

      • Guest

        The demo has AI. I was playing last night for two hours against the AI. Go download it yourself right now and try it out.

      • Realkman666

        What was your preferred difficulty setting?

      • Anonymous

        “Get Real” did you not know AI is adaptive? So it should after an average of the first laps you run match your ability.

      • Realkman666

        Does it go all the way to Get Real 666?

  • Marco Hooghuis

    I think I’ll wait for the 2014 version. I have more than enough to do at the moment with rf2, ac, the occasional p&g and formula truck & gsc 2013 anyway.

    • Mario Strada

      Same here. As much as I would like to race the DTM cars, we need to communicate clearly with the beancounters at simbin that we will not buy just any crap they give us based on their old games.

      Maybe they should change their name to BADABIN instead.

      • Realkman666

        SIMBARGAINBIN?

      • Anonymous

        Well I think this makes a point since all of Simbin’s past stuff is the best value in sim racing by far. The whole thing is people see what’s right in front of them first and ATM it ain’t pretty

      • Realkman666

        It’s not even that far from being good. That’s what’s so troubling.

  • Franklin Silva

    since firsts promisses of GTR3, and now they offer free time attack and online time attack… ok, “the song remains the same”, let’s wait until we have a complete game

    • Adrian Herrera

      Zeppelin rules!

  • Jim. C

    What a difference a few weeks makes! I’ve gone from highly anticipating this game to disappointment and disdain. Simbin looked set to deliver a solid product that would sell very well for them. This initially looked like a nice change of direction for Simbin after the impending failure that is R3E and lack of GTR3, the game the fans wanted all along.

    The price is significantly higher than GSC2013 and offers less content, thus less value. GSC is also clearly a better simulation. The DTM licence was presumably expensive and this cost is being passed on to the consumer.

    No online is unforgivable in this day and age, especially given the price of this game. Say no more.

    There are also a few question marks over the driving physics, AI behaviour and aracde concessions like the ridiculous brake markers.

    Simbin are off my radar as a credible developer of racing simulations. Take the ‘sim’ part out of the title and the ‘bin’ is all DTM-E and R3E are fit for.

    • Anonymous

      I am not so sure the DTM license was all that expensive since Klaus is pretty tight with those people there. I bet you he got a bargin!

  • Franklin Stegink

    Its a shame.
    I have buy the game at pre-order for the multiplayer option.
    Now there isn’t one.
    When i know this earlier, i have not buy it.
    Pffffffffffffffff

  • http://www.bsimracing.com/ Wim

    sigh… This community is getting rather ridiculous. If you read trough the posts long term, it becomes clear that 75% of commentators don’t really like anything out there. That leads me to believe that it can only be caused by two things. A. part of the community has the wrong hobby, and does not have a clue of the topic at hand… B: big part of this community is just talking S…t for the sake of it. Its a free world, but its amazing really… if you dislike, or even hate something, it must be debatable. On the other hand, when you just about dislike everything, then its a no-brainer. The problem is not the product, but you. ( There i said it… start flaming)

    • Adrian Herrera

      Like Louis CK said.. everything is amazing but nobody is happy.

      • Fatty Jakes

        Put a realistic price on it and plenty of people will be happy.

        Until thenSim Bin can get lost and that opinion seems to be more or less unamininous

    • Anonymous

      Well release WSGT2 and just see how much I like it!! 🙂

    • Mario Strada

      While I would agree with you if it was any other game outside of a recent simbin one, you have to admit that it is puzzling that a company that was a trialblazer back in the early 2000 is reduced to selling a game with fewer features of ones they released 10 years ago.

      I guarantee you that if they had released a graphically and sound updated GTR2, based on the old Gmotor2 engine (kind of like what Reiza has been doing) the community would have been much happier.
      Sure, some might have complained about the “dated engine” but that engine allowed all of us to race online, in SP and MP as we pleased and I
      ‘ll bet that if given the choice between the current offerings and an updated GTR3 using an updated GTR2 framework, the “community” would not hesitate in their choice.

    • Anonymous

      No, the problem is companies putting out half finished products. …and in this case, 2 half finished products. So, maybe you are right in that I don’t really like anything out there. I enjoy PCars, but it isn’t finished so I cannot enjoy it to the fullest. I have AC, but haven’t touched it since the first weekend….because it is unfinished (sorry, I already do plenty of solo hot lapping in PCars). RRRE? Same story, partial product that now is sharing the developers with DTM-E. RF2? Decided to wait when the “Beta” (?!) was released, glad I did being it still isn’t anywhere near where it needs to be. Guess that leaves me with GSC and the old sims. Wow, talk about ridiculous!

      The problem is the state of the industry, not us. Go ahead and apologize for the developers all you want, doesn’t change the situation we are in.

    • Petros Dialektakis

      Well, I downvoted your comment, because I believe that’s not true.

      For my part, I like to play online against other real simracers. From Simbin I have expected a multiplayer sim, like Race07, GTR2, GTR or GTL. Those games were excellent … and complete.

      A year ago I loved the idea from R3E, and really would like to play the game and pay for it. Because it was a Simbin game, and I knew what I could get from this company. But after a while, still without MP, it didn’t make no sense for me anymore.

      Even now, when supposably the beta stage has come to its end, they still advertise, and I quote, with “online competitions” on RR’s website.
      Link: http://s7.directupload.net/images/131205/unrhzchn.png

      This way you could expect a worthy multiplayer game from Simbin, and not some semi-online game with old-fashioned leaderboards.
      Now with DTM-E, it’s practically the same “letdown”, unfortunately.

      I think Raceroom/Simbin is the actual “problem”, and not the community or just me for that matter. I’m really uncertain about Simbin’s future plans. What are Simbins plans actually, when are they going to finish their products? On the 1st of April 2014 (April Fools’ day), when the “pre-order” offer for DTM-E has ended? In december 2014? Or later? Or are they already finished? Do you know that? I sure do not.

      But that’s okay with me: I can wait.
      In the meantime, I enjoy my multiplayer racing games like iR, rF or the “golden oldies” from Simbin. Untill then, I won’t pay for another racing game, if it doesn’t contain the features which I really need.

  • Silvio

    Can someone tell me which world Simbin’s staff lives? Where did they put their brains? I’ll not buy it.

  • Mar Mar

    This whole DTM Experience should have been a DLC for R3E but I’m afraid that we might have similar games coming out from Simbin later … you know just like what they did with GTR Evolution.

    Ahem, WHERE IS GTR3????

    • Jay Ekkel

      It has been said that the DTM experience will blend in nicely into R3E if you are already an R3E user. New user that have never played R3E will get a standalone experience, but it it is still connected to R3E. When they make the move to R3E it will appear to them as an integrated part of R3E.

      You can start the game up as a stand alone experience depending on what shortcut you click on your desktop.

      • Anonymous

        You might want to do a better job explaining that… I had no idea there was a plan to integrate the two later. Provide details, please.

      • Jay Ekkel

        not later, on release.

        We have never said it would be two different games, it was a rumour that spread somewhere/somehow like a fact.

        We have tried and said several times that was not the case though. But its hard for the most people to focus on facts sometimes and not believe everything says not he internet!

        But the integration is quite easy and in broad terms it works like this.

        New User
        When you are new to gaming/racing (R3E) you get a standalone experience from DTM Experience. When you click the shortcut not he desktop you will launch directly into the DTM Experience and the new menu system (not the one front he demo).

        R3E user
        When you are already an R3E Member and get the DTM Experience, the game integrates into the R3E Base and in the Menu a new DTM button will appear from there you will seamlessly transfer into the “Experience” part of R3E.

        You will still get a desktop shortcut to go directly to the DTM Experience, just in case you might want it 😉

      • Anonymous

        What are you talking about?! Do this:

        -Type in “DTM Experience” into Google
        -Click on the first hit that comes up (your product homepage)
        -Click on any one of the 6 shortcuts (excluding DTM.com) and look for ANY mention of R3E. (Hint: not even one instance of it)

        -Come back and explain again how you have tried to highlight that it is tied to R3E…

        I didn’t see any rumors, just the fact that there has been zero effort (until this comment section) that I can find that ties the two together. You call it a ‘rumor’, I call it poor marketing.

      • Jay Ekkel

        We have said this in one of the Q&A’s to my knowledge and posted in our social media.

        The information about the ties to R3E are not on the DTM Experience website since that site is completely focussed on DTM and new users. Not to already exciting r3e users.
        It is not a fluke, it is by design/request so you may think we did not do a good job there, but since its nowhere to be found, we did our job well…

        You are ofcourse entitled to your “zero effort” opinion. But we as a developer roam the forums frequently and respond where we see fit. And myself and other developers are here and other sites to respond to questions where needed.

        For the rest marketing efforts etc are mainly a responsibility of the publisher not the developer. We do our bit where we can and will provide support to these tasks where required.

      • Anonymous

        it is possible to get a link?
        i just missed this news

      • Ales Ogrinc

        Social media??? You do have a website to get youre customers familiar with youre products dont you? R3E and DTM experience seem to completly diferent products, atleast youre trying to sell them separetly but than youre putting them into one? Clear that on the website, shop where that is beeing sold.
        Im not sure how many of youre customers are, or will follow every word on those social sites.
        Im sorry Jay but the dtm experience site makes it more clear that the game is completly standalone, wich even demos showed sofar.

      • Jay Ekkel

        You asked I answered…..

        As said al marketing efforts and communication are done by DTM and our publisher, we/simbin developed the game on their behalf.

        We are very proud to have DTM in R3E, and the Experience part is completely focussed on DTM, just as any license holder would love to see it, its completely and only about DTM.

        The DTM/R3E ties ill show themselves to already exciting users, we have never said it would be a standalone game. On the contrary we have said here and else where that it wouldn’t.

      • Ales Ogrinc

        Well you should be proud to have DTM, why not?

        I can only wish you best on that but im saying that more public clarification would be good from start and still there is none actually.

        YOure posting here around under 100 comments few things nobody will read ever and they are still not clear.

        Overall you guys-simbin made most of comercial for the dtm game and didnt try to clarify it to potential customers.

        How come rummors actually evolved? Simple, not a single real clarification from you or dtm actually except that the dtm experience site offer more of standalone game, none steam and free of r3e to. The only word there is publisher and that is raceroom, so it that now another company or what? i have no clue actually now who is what.

        I just dont understand it, so as many others dont.

      • Jay Ekkel

        I do agree on a few points you make but to a great extend the marketing and providing information of the DTM Experience is not up to us.

        Lets hope some lesson are learned in this process 🙂

      • Ales Ogrinc

        🙂

      • Anonymous

        race room entertainment is another company.but it is like simbin owned by kw automotive,so both,the developer and the publisher are owned by klaus wohlfarth.

      • Realkman666

        I was 100% certain DTM did not require Steam and it doesn’t say so when you try to buy it. You’ve all just lost your minds.

      • Chege

        Hi Jay,
        Can you or someone else please explain on what is going on? I bought game couple nights ago and I see that it is available now, but there is nothing in my email inbox to notify me that I can start downloading it as a standalone game. I did went ahead and downloaded DTM experience icon. When I started it, it took me to Steam which was no problem and then it started downloading Racing Room Experience. I thought that this is a Standalone game. Why do I need to download the whole thing? It seems that my steam account is downloading whole night and it is still going on. Someone mention that we need to download 15 gig of data. Is this true for standalone game?
        Another thing is that I am still waiting for an email to tell me that I am able to play. My worry is that I ll have to wait till this large data is being downloaded and installed on my steam account and then I won’t be able to play it anyway. Can you please clear my confusion. Thanks

      • Weyland-Yutani

        If DTM was “intergrated” you could race DTM tracks in R3E. Is this the case? I doubt it.

      • Jay Ekkel

        The integration means the game is accessible through R3E, sadly enough due to restrictions DTM cars cant mingle with the other series and/or other tracks.

  • TouringProSeries.com

    Full DTM season: fantastic. Only 9 tracks I can just about live with. But €40 with no multiplayer, or any other content to speak of? Really SimBin? Umm, that’s €20 of content. You couldn’t even get the support Sciroccos in there? You already have the base model……

    Fractured games from SImBin; where have we seen this before? Almost same price as Assetto Corsa and twice the price of GSC2013 which has five times the content, looks similar and drives better. Oh, and has multiplayer.

    • Realkman666

      Scirocco Challenge is the opener for DTM?

      • Ales Ogrinc

        http://www.dtm.com/en/Partner-Series.html There are 3 partner series actually, not sure why they didnt add those. Would really make the game more complete and all are popular ones to.

      • Petros Dialektakis

        What they really should do to make the game a real “DTM-Experience”, is when they would have add some classic DTM-cars. That would have been a instant buy!

        But then again, there still wasn’t any multiplayer.
        Shoot! 🙁

      • Ales Ogrinc

        well i think, might be wrong but i think that might happen as DLC. everything goes into that sofar from simbin.

      • Realkman666

        Wow, that would be seriously amazing, but I tried the demo again and I just couldn’t get a decent FFB feel or accurate braking power. Too sloppy for me. I think you’ll get a few sales out of all this. ;p

    • GamingCanuck

      Yeah, this is pathetic. There’s no reason why they should be charging that much for such a content lacking game.

  • Rick Lopatic

    Downloaded the new Demo twice both times nothing but black screen.
    1st Demo worked fine. Anyone have that happen to them?

    • Mario Strada

      Did you restart your computer before launching it? It asked me to restart, but I barely noticed it. If I tried to launch it it would have black screened on me.
      I encountered this before with other games, but it is really sloppy to have you restart the computer since most games don;t require it.

      EDIT: I am getting the same thing. Black screen and then a crash. It creates a .dmp file that I am unable to read.
      I also moved it to the top level of my hard drive. No luck. My next step will be to install it in program files to see if that’s the cause. It happened to me with another game that wouldn’t work unless it was in the program files folder.

      • Realkman666

        If you guys give PC details, we might see what’s going on………

      • Mario Strada

        I figured out what was wrong: I had to install the demo in the program files folder. At first I installed it in my “Gaming” drive in my “Games” folder, where I keep all my games. That didn’t work. Then I tried installing it in the top level of my D drive. Ditto: black screen and crash.
        Finally I installed it in C: under “Program files” and it now works.

        It wasn’t good though. FFB is gone, at least the first demo had it but now I can barely feel some faint vibration here and there.
        Even the sound is not as awesome as their other cars. I certainly won’t buy it for $50. When it comes down to $20, maybe. Otherwise it’s GTR2 and GSC 2013 for me all the way.

      • Realkman666

        Must have to do with the copy protection, but mine is installed in Jeux on my E: drive without any problem!

        There are lots of FFB options though, might be possible to get it dialed in.

    • Rick Lopatic

      Did all that still black screen. Guess I’ll have to wait for the launch.

      • Realkman666

        If you guys give PC details, we might see what’s going on…

    • Realkman666

      If you guys give PC details, we might see what’s going on.

  • Alex White

    Lack of Mulitplayer.
    Still has the horrific brake boards.
    UI is really awkward.
    Default FFB is horrible. – The “Rumble Strip Pull” option shouldn’t even exist.

    Come ON, Simbin. What’s happened to you? Was looking forward to this until the “No Multiplayer” bomb was dropped. Thanks, there goes all my interest.

  • TC

    Doing a full championship of DTM with my community friends in a full licensed sim by Simbin sounded fantastic. Now this is a huuuuge letdown. Not doubt that it would be a good game (Demo was nice, not “great”, but good), buttt…

    I said earlier that i would buy it if i found a good offer before March 31 but since the game will not be Steamworks (can someone confirm this?) i highly doubt that i can do it…

  • Gulyás Tamás

    After Race07, this is big dissapointment … R3E too ( graphically and tire modell wise )

  • Anonymous

    steering degrees with G27 horrible

    • Chris Wright

      Probably because you have your G27 set to 900 degrees for AC? Reset to 270 and it’s a lot better. You can also adjust steering degrees in game for more fine tuning. Actually it does seem to have a lot of tweaks you can make.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks, better. But is the steering wheel/hands animation supposed to stop at 90 degrees in game?

      • Anonymous

        yes

      • Adrian Herrera

        Hand animations can be turned off

    • Guest

      I’m running on a G25 and I have rotation on the desktop to 900 degrees,
      100% overall effects strength. spring 0%, Damper 0% and centering 1%. I
      also used Logitech profiles and set the brake axis to 60 for
      sensitivity, a dead zone of 3. In Assetto Corsa, steering 900 degrees,
      gain to 75%, filter 0%, Damping 0%, Kerb effects 125%, Road effects
      150%, slip effects 75%, Gamma setting 1% brake gamma 3.80%. Feels great
      to me. I can feel all sorts of things with these settings, nothing that
      I wouldn’t feel irl. I am still experimenting. Hope this helps.

      • Anonymous

        I think these cars have a rotation around 540 degrees.
        It’s a silhouette class, only from the outside they look like a normal roadcar. Under the carbon body shell it’s a fully capable racecar.
        Not that it makes up for lousy FFB. But lower the amount of steering should make the car react better.

    • Realkman666

      Advanced controller settings, adjust steering lock.

  • Anonymous

    Since the Nürburgring with slutty for RF2. I do not buy anything from Simbian.

  • Anonymous

    Still no Mp? I’m wondering why. It’s been like a year right? Maybe they don’t plan anything more than the leader boards? Maybe something is seriously flawed in their code and have no fix for it yet? Without Mp to me it’s not worth the 0’s and 1’s in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    r3e update is 6.4 GB.the patch includes the dtm-e files

  • Chris Wright

    OK boys and girls, when does DTM Experience open for business? By my reckoning it’s Dec 5th in Central Europe but the website doesn’t seem to have changed.

    • Realkman666

      I was just checking too. “ready for delivery”

      • Chris Wright

        Frankly I don’t prepay for anything, unless there’s a big incentive, so I want to know if this is ready here and now, lest I shall wait until tomorrow night. It’s been saying ready for delivery for a day or two, so I really ain’t trusting that.

      • Realkman666

        Oh, I see. I also want to see some footage and race AI behaviour.

      • Chris Wright

        Yeah, I have to say that as much as I’m keen to try it, the AI did some dumb stuff last night, mostly of the booting my car up the derriere variety. Also the frame rate, while not disastrous, was not entirely smooth, and that’s with a GTX770 OC 4GB card, so grid line ups are a bit worrying, in prospect at least EDIT: Try disabling Vsync. Hopefully a bit of judicious patching might sort these ills, along with the Willy Wonka braking indicators.

      • Realkman666

        They seemed to have a hard time taking the last turn and were all wobbly for me so I could pass them easily. Everywhere else, they seemed fine, but who knows? I wonder if the Get Real mode affects the AI directly or if there will be a separate setting.

        I coud run the first demo on High with a 560 SE, so I was surprised that adding a few cars on track at once had me turn the settings to Low just to get rid of the stuttering. From what you’re saying, it looks like a software issue.

        Jay has said again that the arrows will be changeable, but they also said Raceroom would have AI and multiplayer, and that was a year ago. I’m not racing with those things there, that’s for sure. I’m surprised DTM didn’t veto that stupid decision.

      • Chris Wright

        Yes the original demo was fine, but then one car and a track shouldn’t impose an insurmountable load on a reasonably up to date high end PC.

        I don’t measure FPS, I judge a game by how smooth it appears to the eye and there were more than a couple of occasions when it looked as if it was struggling a bit. That may be demo code, but seeing as this demo is pretty fresh that is a concern. The worry has to be if it’s doing that in free practice, what’s a grid start going to be like.

        EDIT: Disabling VSync made things a lot smoother.

        The attraction for me here is purely and simply that I love DTM and I’m all for supporting any developer that releases a game that properly simulates a real world series.

      • Realkman666

        I also love the DTM. I was so happy when I learned about this. But then, eh. I’m not in a position to buy a 60$ shoddy product. The “publisher” they have is clearly insane.

      • Petros Dialektakis

        Well, you could expect that from big publishers like EA or ATARI (and we all know what happened to the last one). But from Raceroom/Simbin? But it all started with this RRRE.
        I really miss the good old days, when games came out when they were really finished.

      • Michel Forest

        I wanted to preorder, but I can’t. When I enter my billing info, the website only lists European countries. I live in Canada and that choice is not available in the scrolldown menu.

      • Realkman666

        Oui, et ça parle de shipping. Tried creating an account?

      • Michel Forest

        I tried. I ran into the same problem…

      • Realkman666

        :/

      • Chris Wright

        EDIT: Game now released

      • Michel Forest

        Yep, I checked Steam, just out of curiosity, no DTM game. Strange. I guess we’ll know tomorrow.

  • Racing jason

    just gave it a try…unfortunately only disapppointment. FFB doesnt work at all
    with my fanatec porsche wheel. no settings applied. FPS performance very bad….impossible to play with low settings & triple screen with radeon 7970 OC. in comparison: AC runs with 60fps in 7860x1440hz with 2x AA. sorry but this is just poooooor!

    • Chris Wright

      Can I ask if you’re referring to full game or the demo. Wondering if it’s actually available yet – due out today, well the 5th that is.

      • Racing jason

        i tried just the demo

  • Guy Moulton

    In 2007, I bought Race 07 for $30, it came with 7 sets of cars, 17 tracks + alternate layouts. It has time attack, ONLINE MULTI, offline career and seasons I could create of my own. It was moddable within the year. Now Simbin shovels this at us for 40 Euros???? Are they seriosu or is this a joke?

    • Petros Dialektakis

      Unfortunately this is not a joke. I really doubt they will ever finish the multiplayer mode in time, because they haven’t even finished the work on R3E.
      Maybe there are players among us that really like to play alone against the computer or against themselves. But I think I am not the only one who prefers to play against other community players simultaneously.

      That’s why I’d rather stick to RACE07 or even GTR2, than buying an “unfinished” game like DTM-E or R3E.

      • Guy Moulton

        Simbin does have the best AI in sim racing. Well, second best- the AI in GSC was awesome.

  • Arturo V.

    40 Euros is expensive. It may have to do with the costs of the licensing of the series? DTM is a great series and the concept would be great…20 years ago when there was no multiplayer and when we were happy only racing against AI (nothing wrong with it, I still play a lot like that). I have bought all games from SIMBIN except GTR Evolution, and to me GTR2 still is one of the best. I still get a kick driving it even compared to all the other new sims (iRacing, rF2, CARS, AC, GSC, RACE 07, etc).
    I think SIMBIN´s problem has been one of direction and management. They had the talent and some excellent products, but they seem to have been gone from one direction to another as a company and haven´t been able to find the right strategy. R3E is not the way to go and neither is charging 40 Euros for a game without MP and seriously lacking in terms of content (other support series even if fictional would have been nice, plus some extra tracks at least!). So, hopefully, SIMBIN can have some serious thinking and decide where they´re going. DTM has potential, but they have to make it more attractive!

    • Petros Dialektakis

      In this case I don’t think the license deals were that expensive. But I think ITR, DTM’s license holder, would like to have their share from the sales. 😉

      My thoughts about this game and its content, is also nothing but an expensive addon for R3E, nothing more, nothing less.

      But for a stand-alone racing game, I believe the content provides too little enticement, especially for the big masses and or the dtm-fans who also like to play racing games on a regularly basis.
      I also think, most people will expect a game with the same settings like F1 2013 (with all the pit, garage, start scenes, etc.). That is what most players would expect from a real “DTM-Experience”.
      In the state this game is right now, or in the next year, I don’t believe the game will provide enough entertainment, so that it will tie the players for a long time.

      But I hope I am wrong.

      • Arturo V.

        Finally, I decided to buy it, just because I like to play off line and against good AI and I love the DTM series. I love the cars, the tracks, the sounds, driving is somewhat forgiving, but…. where is the learning AI? I have raced the first two races of the calendar and won very easily, the AI doesn´t seem to be improving the challenge. Is there any trick or setting to modify that can improve the competition? (racing on get real settings already obviously).

  • Tim Brokaw

    needs multiplayer and needs to be on steam

  • Larry Lee Steffler

    I,ll stick with GTR2 and hope that GTR3 can do a better job, plus giving the moders an easy upload to the new game. R Facor 2 is a big disappointment,
    And I have yet to take a look at the other new games out. DTM will not be a
    priority for me. Great racing to all of you out there!

    • Petros Dialektakis

      I don’t like to take away your dreams about GTR3, but I strongly doubt if GTR3 will ever see the light of day. At least not any time soon.

      • Nicolas Grignon

        Licencing is a b1tch… and today to licence the full FIA GT grid cars, tracks sponsors would be just too expensive for Simbin… including the fact that you wouldn’t have any Porsche and Ferrari in it too…

      • Chris Wright

        Excellent point.

    • Jim. C

      You’ll be waiting a long time for GTR3.

  • Stefan Pitsch

    ..Just read that on the official site:

    ” Including DTM Experience 2013/14 Season Pass
    (Access to the coming DTM Experience 2014 and Online
    Multiplayer Mode for all buyers until the 31st of March, 2014) ”

    So…Multiplayer at least?!?

    • Petros Dialektakis

      It only says that this “2013/14 Season”-offer will end on the 31th of March. Nothing more.
      When do you expect the next installment will come out? On the 1st of April (April Fools’ Day)? We’ll see.. 😉

      Another question: what do you all think, what the new DTM-E 2014 will contain, besides the promised MP?
      – 2 New tracks: Hungary and China?
      – New models? Probably not.
      – New skins? Most likely.

      Right now, it doesn’t look like a real deal to me. 😉 That offer can wait.
      I think I am going to wait until the MP-mode is finally there.

      • Ales Ogrinc

        Well im sure something from new models will come as BMW is changing to M4 so atleast one.
        But when this 2014 update will come its big question as it could be end of 2014 to or atleast secon part of 2014.

      • Petros Dialektakis

        You’re right! I forgot the M4.
        Thanks!

  • Aleksei Kolesnikov

    It is very expensive. Similar projects pay off not price level, and in sales volume. In my opinion, this project is doomed.

  • Juhan Voolaid

    I would still be interested how the final product comes out. Is the single player exciting and immersive? Is there any physical damage to the cars?

    Of course it would be a wild wishful dreaming, but what if they would add multiplayer in the end of march to this game? I am looking forward to the reviews of this game when it comes out at least.

    • Franklin Stegink

      Maybe we must wait with our comment till it is released.
      Its always easy, also for me, to say that its nothing.

  • Ales Ogrinc

    Hmm, did i miss something actually. Ive buyed it and the game is connected to steam?? Just got some email to install procedure. Wasnt this suppose to be like complete standalone game? Like the demos? Everywhere in instructions just r3e and steam stuff. I dont care actually but its so deceiving, not a single word on website or anywhere until you buy it, there is just noted that you need internet connection. Ah simbin get real…

    • Chris Wright

      Totally confused. So this has launched, has it? Website hasn’t changed at all to reflect that, it’s apparently on Steam, but you can’t buy it in Steam, then the above shenanigans…

      Think I might sit tight, wait for the AC update and forget about this until it’s all a bit clearer.

      EDIT: Game now officially released.

      • Ales Ogrinc

        Im confused as much as you are.
        You need to purchase is over there store, it went for me. Got some code and install instructions actually but there its stated that i will be noticed when the game will go live this month. I have it installed now allready over steam in r3e but nothing happens when going into game, there seem to be blocked to load it sofar.

      • Chris Wright

        EDIT: Game now officially released.

      • Stefan Pitsch

        WOW..what an unprofessional release behavior….that’s a shame, consider the first demo wasn’t that bad…. hope the learn from that…

    • Realkman666

      You have to use Steam for the standalone DTM?

      • Ales Ogrinc

        Yes, the game is basicly connected with r3e to. If anybody else noticed, you need HDD space of 12gb so r3e installs to i guess for those not having r3e but im not sure on those. I have full install r3e and dtm togethere, everything is packed as one game.

      • Realkman666

        O__O

  • Chris Wright

    EDIT TO POST: Seems the game is now released. Have purchased and downloading it. Confirmed this with Jay Ekkel on Facebook.

    Seems it’s all part of RRE on Steam, which actually I like because I’d rather have all my games in a central store at Steam. Wonder if we might be able to race on other RRE circuits? I’ll ask Jay that question, that would certainly be interesting.

    Feedback and thoughts on the game to follow late tonight US time, as I won’t get to play it until this evening.

    • https://www.racingameshow.com/ RacinGameShow
    • rakke17

      Thanks for the update Chris! I like it being integrated with RRE too. Even with the high price I am very interested in this game and looking forward to your feedback. Hope the AI are as good as advertised and adjust properly for a challenge.

    • Mar Mar

      What??? I see now this is what was going inside Simbin’s mind because someone asked this question before.

      Nice to see over 180 comments I thought VirtualR is fading away =)

  • Realkman666

    Ah ah, what a nightmare.

    • Chris Wright

      See above. issue is that SimBin have turned this into a problem solving quiz by a lack of transparency on the DTM Experience website.

  • Lefebvre Alain

    I also ordered on the website DTM experience but I still have not received anything to download … I think I would have done better to wait until it is actually available on Steam!

    • Chris Wright

      If you download Raceroom Experience from Steam, you can enter your code and activate that way, using the code they will have sent you via email.

      Unfortunately SimBin are their own worst enemy because they’ve basically been very shy about making you use RRE via Steam, which is silly because it makes total sense to do it that way.

      • Realkman666

        They haven’t been shy. They said it would be standalone, but that it could be integrated into RR eventually. It’s just misrepresentation and they will never get a cent from me, even for a Race 07 DLC on sale for $1.24.
        Simbin is just like Codemasters now. Ran by the marketing division. At least CM is good at deception.

      • Chris Wright

        I guess it all depends on one’s interpretation of standalone.

      • Realkman666

        Yeah, “on RR Steam but you can’t use the other stuff you bought with DTM.” Yay!

      • Michel Forest

        You’re right. I finally bought the game (I love DTM cars) and DTM experience is listed in my game library, but you do need RRE to run it. Ordering was easy, they added billing options for international orders. So far so good, the cars are fun to drive but there are a few things that need fixing. The accelerate time button does not work, for example. I guess we’ll get plenty of patches eventually.

      • Chris Wright

        For me it’s a very good product right out of the box. Certainly will need some TLC here and there, but as an offline racer it’s right up there with the best.

  • Miguel Azera

    Didn’t they advertise the game with full DTM rules? It doesn’t seem to have pit stops or adaptive AI or am I just missing something?

    Just noticed that I bought a game with two tracks I already payed for, nice!

    • Chris Wright

      Adaptive AI it has. Pit stops, well that’s less clear.

  • Chris Wright

    Initial thoughts are surprisingly positive. What I like most is that you are very aware you are driving a 500bhp teutonic tin top. I’d say the cars handle about perfectly and the sounds are quite convincing, adding a lot to immersion.

    Just completed a full race weekend at Hockenheim. AI behaved itself quite well – had the odd bash but they may have all been caused by me. Frame rate on full everything, full field, using a GTX 770 OC 4GB is fine with the odd very slight loss of smoothness with Vsync on, but certainly better than the demo versions. One would expect this to improve with patching – it doesn’t spoil the fun at all right now, but could be tweaked further.

    I hardly ever race online, so the lack of MP in this version matters not a jot to me, although for many potential buyers it’s a 24kt. showstopper, and understandably so. The bizarre and idiotic colored markers I don’t need to elaborate on – may they be fixed quickly. There doesn’t seem to be any pit stop option, though I may have missed it. Not the end of the earth either, but would be nice if it were in there. A shame, too, that there’s no obvious replay save, as the replays are really nicely done and show off the absolutely first class modeling standards. Some of the nicest looking cars in sim racing, Assetto and PCars included.

    Bottom line, if you’re on the fence and can live without MP, I’d say go for this right now. It feels and looks like the real DTM, a race series I really love, so for me it’s well worth the entry fee. Your opinion of this kind of racing will have a very direct relationship to your view of this title.

    I’m just stoked to be able to race this series in an official sim on my PC..

    BTW – make sure you set force feedback effects to full – helps the driving feel a lot.

    • Chege

      Hi Chris,
      Did you wait for the email confirmation or you downloaded through steam?
      I left my computer to download RRE at steam after I started DTM experience icon that I previously downloaded. It took me to steam and it automatically started downloading RRE.
      Do I really need to download whole RRE before I am able to play DTM as stand alone? And even if I download RRE, do I still need to wait for my email confirmation. I got the code when I bought it two days ago. It is this code that I need to enter?
      Thanks.

      • Chris Wright

        Hi there, from what I can see you have to download RRE. There is a separate icon on the desktop that allows you to directly access DTM but I think it has to have the RRE infrastructure in place to work at all. This wasn’t a particular problem from my point of view. I was hoping one could race the DTM cars on the other RRE tracks, but that doesn’t seem possible right now – would be a great addition. The redeem code you got when you placed your order is the one that you should use to activate DTM within the RRE interface.

        I do think they’ve made a right pigs ear of explaining that clearly and unambiguously.

        Once you get through all of that there’s a very good sim in there. Not exactly Assetto Corsa earth shattering, but very absorbing to race and keeps you coming back for more. I like it a lot and think it is worth the money – not everyone is going to agree with that, however, because of the absence of multiplayer in this version.

        DTM fans, of which I am one, are simply going to lap it up, if you see what I mean 🙂

      • Chege

        Thanks for your response. I guess the guys in Europe are still sleeping. I see that their support at DTM website is not great in answering questions..

      • Chris Wright

        You’re very welcome

    • Stefan Pitsch

      I mostly agree with your review….
      Handling is real nice….able to push….
      Framerates are not the best compared to WRC4 for example, but OK!

      But the AI is way to slow!! Even in the “get real” modus! Adaptive AI seems not work at all?!

      • rakke17

        I thought the AI was really slow too. I lapped the field my first race and I’m not very good. But then I did a quick race at the same track and they had dramatically picked up the pace. It seems like there is a break-in or training period. And I didn’t do a second race so it might be like this at every track. I wish there was better information on how to train the AI (IE more practice sessions, track test etc.) before racing. But … I have hope that after my first season I’ll have good racing.

      • Chege

        I went strait into championship and had the same issue with AI being slow. I started getting away from them so I went to next race – Brands Hatch. They seemed bit faster, but I still ended first in the practice.. I have to play more before I can give my opinion on AI adjusting itself to my speed.

        Pros: Nice feel, no stuttering. I have GT 760 2 gig card. My vsync was on. Tracks look nice. Cars look very nice and detailed. Leaderboard was tempting. Only had an hour of play.

        Cons:
        Car seems too easy to drive, in get real mode. Maybe it is my settings. Is there a way to turn traction control off? Maybe I missed it as I rushed through menu being keen to play.

        In game menu, I am missing pictures of drivers and Tracks. Anybody else having this issue. Like for BMW, I don’t have any drivers pics. Just blank screen next to their name. And in tracks I have only picture of Hockenheim.

    • rauf00

      Thanks for first review, it’s not clear whats with online and pit stop or im missing sth?

      Anyway, 40€ for a game with such tiny features is overkill, at least for me, sorry. Especial i just made some nice shopping on Steam with price around 10-25 euro for full games even with DLC like F1 2013 with Classic cars or sth….

      I understand there is crisis everywhere, but You cannot publish sth like early acces title with price tag of high end games!

    • rakke17

      Thanks Chris. I bought the game based on your review and I don’t regret it. Like you I love driving these cars. And I must be one of the few people who have enjoyed RRE so far.

      Still some minor annoyances like all the pop-up information (can’t find anywhere in the HUD menus to disable) and trying to figure out how to get Adaptive AI to work. But the game looks fantastic and sounds even better. And I get to race some tracks I’ve never seen before.

    • Realkman666

      Ah ah, it’s going to be F1 2013 all over again.

      You’re basically telling people to pay over 50$ for a true DTM experience in which there are no pit stops, a game that requires online-DRM for a single-player game, that’s integrated into RaceRoom on Steam even though that’s not disclosed on the website, with an adaptive AI that you cannot set yourself. Is there even a way to lock the brakes in Get Real mode or can you still just stand on the brakes while turning?

      You seem to have a track record of justifying your purchases to save face. Don’t drag other people into it. I just feel terrible for people who have spent close to 100$ in RR and have to buy this to get any kind of racing. In a game that can’t even use the content they already have.

      I love the DTM. I hate this package and your “review”. Had to prove you wrong on that.

      Nice replays, though.

      And how come people are only uploading races with 12-car grids? Is the full field making the game stutter more?

      • Chris Wright

        There should be room for a range of opinions on here and what I write is my own personal perspective. I simply don’t care if it flies in the face of general consensus. I live in a country where free expression of opinion is written into our constitution and I live by that.

        In the case of DTM, it has some real merit in terms of what I am looking for in a tin top sim. As I said, the DTM look and feel is very well captured and, for all its shortcomings, this passes my litmus test of being a title I will come back to a lot.

        I am not telling anyone to do anything. I could care less what other people do with their money. If they find the review useful that’s great, but in the end everyone needs to make their own assessment across a range of reviews, if that’s what they are basing their purchase on. Nobody thinks exactly alike.

        I see a lot of complaints that the price is too high. It’s actually less than any new console title is on launch and, given its focus on a very popular race series that will require some seriously expensive rights payments, it’s not too bad. Not great value, but acceptable.

        Like all titles, it has its flaws and, sure, there are some big ones right now. I mention most of them in my review, including one or two that you didn’t mention, presumably because you don’t actually own the full version. The adaptive AI clearly needs longer than one evening session on DTM Experience to decide how good or bad it is. I will come back to that.

        Hopefully this is the start of a long and successful franchise for SimBin and we’ll see the majority of issues addressed either in a patch or the next full version, which will be free for early(ish) adopters by the way.

      • Realkman666

        I didn’t say you shouldn’t be allowed to voice your opinion, I said that I do not trust your opinion because it seems heavily tainted. The Constitution of Zimbabwe or Pluto will not change that. That’s the great thing about (relative and restricted) freedom of expression, I can tell you that I do not trust you.

        As for the adaptive AI, I’m curious as to how good it is. Might be nice. I’d still like to know about the 12-car grids, however.

        *Couldn’t care less, otherwise it sounds like you care.

      • Chris Wright

        Well halleluiah for free expression 🙂

        12 car grids? Where did you get that from. I was running with 22 car grids last night, self included.

        Will report back on AI in a few days.

      • Realkman666

        Good. I was afraid for a second. I guess the youtubers don’t have the power to record a full grid.

      • Chris Wright

        That’s why I said it’s important for people to look at a range of reviews. Actually I detected no slow down on the grid, which I was kind of expecting.
        Another thing you might like to know is that they have nailed the Norisring. It really is a work of art.

      • Realkman666

        Always loved Noris. I think Jean Alesi said that it was an embarrassment, though, ah ah. Moscow is the only track I don’t know too well.

        Actually, in the demo, I only had stutters coming out of the pits, so I think the problem is that the track is loaded but not rendered until you do a full lap or something. I had the same problem with the Nord’ in netKar Pro.

      • Chris Wright

        I also think that the tracks are causing the stutters. which are very slight and not exactly a showstopper. To illustrate that, they seem more obvious on certain circuits than others and, from what I can see, it has something to do with the amount of peripheral scenery being loaded. To illustrate that, the Red Bull Ring is completely stutter free and that has the fewest buildings etc. being rendered. Another clue is that full car grids didn’t seem to make any difference. Hopefully this is something SimBin can dial out.

      • Realkman666

        Did you also get that in Raceroom? It should be the same technology running everything. I haven’t played that in a long time.

      • Chris Wright

        Neither have I, so I can’t tell you right now. A very interesting point and I will have a bash in RR tonight and see about that. Going to be a busy one though, what with the AC update and more DTM.

      • Realkman666

        I bet. Gonna try drifting?

      • Chris Wright

        Not my thing.

      • Realkman666

        You don’t say. xD

    • kenpat .

      Thanks for the review. Hope you’ll update this Chris after you’ve had more time on it. I’m inclined at the moment to give it a miss and stick with the DTM 2013 mod. Maybe you can change my mind.
      One thing I take it from your remarks that the dreaded marker are not removable?

      • Chris Wright

        Thanks kenpat. There are a few serious shortcomings with this title, but when you actually race it you tend to forget about those, as it does a super job of immersing you in the DTM atmosphere. No the markers are still there, but there is a promise from SimBin that there will be a realistic option down the road somewhere. I don’t like the current markers, actually make that hate them, but again there is too much good going on to get wound up about what is, at the end of the day, a small issue that will get sorted one way or another.

        In terms of making you change your mind, I’d say kick around here, Race Department and YouTube and evaluate a few opinions and ask if you’d be happy with an imperfect, but in my view extremely absorbing, title.

    • Guy Moulton

      Is there really no pitstop option in a race series where 2 stops are necessary? Thee’s no real option either? How is a race weekend organized? Is it set up like the Codies F1 series with tire sets and organized free practice sessions? How long are races? Please don’t say locked at 20 mins…..

      • Chris Wright

        No pitstops I’m afraid. Your attitude to this title will directly stem from if you find this to be an insurmountable hurdle or not. In my view it’s a huge disappointment that it isn’t in there, but this is the first edition of this franchise, so I guess one should cut a certain amount of slack – not a generous appraisal everyone will share, of course. The rest of it is pretty accurate to the actual DTM weekend and you can run full length races, although no in race save feature as yet – again disappointing from the makers of GTR2, which I still race, not least because you can save your progress. The cars are beautifully modeled and the sounds are fabulous, like they are in RRE. The adaptive AI is improving, but still needs work.

        I’m enjoying it still, but expecting a quantum leap in features in the 2014 version, which at least I will get for free.

      • Guy Moulton

        If there’s no pitstops but you can run a full weekend, then it tells me that the tire model is terrible and the fuel cell is way too big. The real tires are not designed to last a full race and they have to fuel up 2 times. It’s a lot of money to pay for a game that misses the mark so badly. Does it have DRS at least? Online is unproven and in the past, Simbin has been spotty with the online quality. Anyway, thanks for the review, I know now to avoid this. I’ll stick with the rF2 DTM mod by Alless.

      • Chris Wright

        Oh well, wait until the 2014 version comes out then. If total accuracy is your goal then, no, it’s not going to work for you. If you want a fun racing experience, with good physics and sounds, using the official DTM cars and tracks, then that’s a different matter.

        Yes it has DRS by the way.

  • Juhan Voolaid

    Pleas instruct me to get this game only from Steam? Is it possible?

    • Chris Wright

      You can download RRE from Steam and purchase DTM in game.

      • Juhan Voolaid

        But will the DTM end up as a separate game on my Steam account? Like once I get new computer, I install Steam and be able to install it from my Steam with one click? Or do I have to keep some reg. key forever in safe, if I want to install it again?

      • Realkman666

        It looks like it’s integrated into RaceRoom. There’s a tab for it on the main menu. The demo is separate but the full game works in RR.

  • Traumahound

    Is the demo still available? I haven’t had time to try any of this yet.

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