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DRS Integrale Professional Steering System – Photos

DEM Racing Simulators have revealed new photos of their upcoming DRS Integrale Professional Steering System.

DEM Racing Simulators have revealed new photos of their upcoming DRS Integrale Professional Steering System.

Made in Italy and of solid materials as you can see below, the DRS Integrale is aimed to offer professional-grade quality while being available cheaper than other pro solutions on the market.

Right now, the system is extensively tested, having already completed more than 300 hours of testing. The DRS Integrale is planned to go on sale this spring.

Specifications

– 2x 24v 200W high torque contrarotating engines, made in Italy
– 1 reduction stage with large diameter steel gear wheels made in Italy (no belts)
– engines and gear wheels mounted on large diameter bearing
– reducer box ergal made machined from solid mounted on CNC laser cut steel base, fully made in Italy
– 1 encoder with 10000 PPR mounted directly on the steering axis (steering wheel position is not influenced by the presence of the reducer)
– 14 Nm torque (to be confirmed within January)
–  1024 torque levels for each steering direction (with a resolution of 8 grams of force on a 30cm large steering wheel)
– possibility to modify steering wheel’s inertia via software to adapt it to different type of cars
– integrated electronics, with no external components
– Assetto Corsa plugin that gives you the chance to modify the force feedback response as you prefer (we are working to get this on the other main simulation softwares)
– fast customer care service thanks to products available on our national territory
– Windows driver to recognize the peripheral as a force feedback device
– USB connection
– size: 210x270x120(h) mm
– weight: 12 Kg

  • 2Air

    hmm curious about the price though

  • Dunlop Arkaid

    What price range can we expect?

    • Sim Antics

      3 grand!

      • Marble Shark

        LOL yeah ok…

      • Matthew Arnold

        Where did you get that number?

      • Sim Antics

        somewhere in between Bodnar and SimX would be around 3 grand and DEM made those references. With the cockpits they make I think I might be pretty close with my guess as that would fit into their overall pricing model. They want to keep things priced at a high end level.
        Also they sell products from other companies without gouging.

    • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

      We still have to reveal it, even if we already have a well defined price target we aim for. None of the news you can find about it are true, as we haven’t mentioned anything about it yet.

  • Andy Thompson

    If this is released near Accuforce price I don’t think it’ll do well. It needs to be at least €300 less. It’s not a direct drive wheel so I’ll reserve any further judgement until a review is released.

    • Dunlop Arkaid

      I think it needs to be way less than Accuforce, Accu is IMO in different league

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Are you sure? Next week we will show you the FFB whell analysis using wheelCheck

      • Matthew Arnold

        Where will this wheelCheck data be made available next week?

        Will you ask Montoya to post it here?

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Keep an eye on our website and on our facebook page, as we’ll definitely post it there too.

        https://www.facebook.com/demracingsim

      • Dunlop Arkaid

        Sorry, but there is no way I would buy expensive wheel with gears

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Sorry for you! 🙂

    • Richard Hessels

      At least in Europe it will be a lot cheaper.. no import tax and courier costs.

  • Matthew Arnold

    I think I may take this over a Fanatec V2 IF and only IF it comes in the roughly same price range.

    This looks like it will last for a hell of a long time. I wasn’t sure about this originally, but its growing on me, and the more wheels from new manufacturers we get the better.

    Competition is king in any industry 🙂

    • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

      Our goal i to fight with Bodnar and AF.. Not with Fanatec! 😉

      • ModernTimes2

        Are the motors brushless?

      • Bgis

        Looks like they have commutators in the pictures so brushed, correct me if I,m wrong.Even if they are, high quality brushed DC can be very smooth. I have a few wheelchair motors with 4 brushes that have almost 0 cogging when turning the shaft by hand.I believe ECCI used brushed motors in the 7000.

      • ModernTimes2

        Indeed they have commutators – I missed the small pics at the bottom of the article. Thanks for spotting! 🙂

      • Matthew Arnold

        cool, more competition the better. We all look forward to more details 🙂

      • Sim Antics

        He means price wise so cost of a CSW x’s 2 or more he says Bodnar which are 4 grand so the average between the 2 is around 3 grand

      • Matthew Arnold

        Yes I know, If this wheel can put out the numbers that have been mentioned then it should be priced with those high end wheels, But obviously IF the whole package doesn’t work out as good value (whereas i think we all generally accept the accuforce does represent good value) then they wont sell that many.

        I would hesitate a guess that the machined components of such a heavy duty wheel as this would cost a lot more from a manufacturing standpoint than the Fanatec wheel base would. This is speculation of course.

        I just think people here cannot get there head around paying high end prices for something that isn’t Direct Drive.

        I think this negativity will only carry on until people see a genuine review from someone impartial, E.g. Shaun (simpit) etc

  • Matthew Arnold

    If they can whack a robust quick release on this and the price isn’t obnoxious then I will take one of these 🙂

    14Nm for a non direct drive wheel 🙂 wow

    • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

      Hi Matthew, many probably the final version will exceed tris valute.. Stay tuned

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    It’s not the prettiest thing in the world but as others have said, if the price is right, I`ll start drilling the holes already 🙂

    • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

      The final version will be more pretty, don’t worry! 😀

      • Matthew Arnold

        Hey DEM RS, 🙂

        Any chance we could get a video of the beast in action any time soon 🙂 Would be much appreciated, I think most here would agree with me on that 🙂

        Good luck btw, I think its great what you have so far.

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Yes Matthew, we post the video the next week

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Well I was just being flippant 🙂
        The esthetics take a back seat to functionality every time.
        erm… if you screw it to a desk, would it vibrate everything off it ? 🙂

    • Matthew Arnold

      I actually quite like the industrial look of it 🙂 But wont say no to a bit of spit and polish 🙂

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Actually that flat top has its advantages. You can put an IPhone or tablet on it for Sim-displays etc.

      • Matthew Arnold

        my mind boggles at the limitless possiblities of what I could….

        place on it haha 🙂 😉

        only kidding, it does look strangely practicle in my eyes 🙂 Though im a little worried about the claims they made above about it killing DD wheels 😐

  • vilivili

    Is it possible to have a reduction stage without deadzone?

    • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

      Yes is possibile and we will show you very soon! 😉

      • Richard Hessels

        With CNC cut gears the deadzone would be less than a real car.

  • Sim Antics

    Best of luck with this endeavor!

    • Sim Antics

      Hmmm I wish them the best of luck and here they are commenting on posts and this didn’t get a like from them. I can now see where this company is coming from and what they think of the community. It’s just a money grab!

      • Matthew Arnold

        A money grab because they didnt “upvote” YOUR post lol. hmmm ok

      • Sim Antics

        No it has to do with respecting the consumer base and positive public relations. If I were in business and someone wished me luck I would have taken a fraction of a second to upvote their post. It’s common decency also they may just be blowing hot air that’s where the money grab part comes into play read logiforce’s post.

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Hi Sim Antics, I didn’t want to sound disrespectful to our competitors: that was meant as an enthusiastic comment thanks to the interest you guys showed, but I probably pushed a bit too much on the “enthusiasm pedal” and transmitted a wrong message. That’s also why I put a smile at the end for that reason, but it’s always better to clarify. 🙂

        If you look on our website you will see that we also have a training center here in San Marino and on that simulator we mount a SimSteering system: we chose it because we know its quality and we didn’t want to compromise. It has to be said that it’s not a cheap solution: that’s why we did our best to create a new steering system that wants to compete with the top ones on the market, while (hopefully) being more affordable for everyone.
        If we have managed to reach our goal it will be you and all the other sim racers to say: we are trying our best and the results we can see right now are encouraging.

      • Matthew Arnold

        I wish you guys all the luck in the world with this project.

        People round here and in sim racing in general are a pretty touchy bunch sometimes, so don’t take any negativity personally 😉

        But I think we are all just a little blind sided by a non DD wheel that can put out the numbers you suggest 🙂

        And this comes following the months/years of hype over the Accuforce DD wheel, so to hear of a non DD wheel putting out similar or more force is drawing a lot of attention, some good some bad 🙁

        Either way, I can see any comments you made that people may have taken not in jest were probably due to you being excited at the amount of interest this article/your product has got 🙂 Id be excited to if i was you.

        Anyway, get back to work, and get us some videos made lol 🙂

      • Sim Antics

        I have looked at your website and was sincere when I wished you the best of luck. As far as what your saying in your post above I have no idea where that is coming from unless regarding a reply to someone else.
        I think of companies like Sim Factory and while your product is unlike there’s in many ways along the same lines as far as level of classification. low, mid, high with you slating this product to be for the high end market.

  • Roger Ramjet

    The rim on its own is on sale for €999 on their website so I expect the combined base and rim won’t be much cheaper than an Accuforce Pro.

    They might put a quick release on it, then you could use a low cost rim and the overall price might be somewhere between a CSW and AF Pro.

    But then you’d still need a button/paddle shift unit which would bump the price up again.

    The pricing on the AF Pro with it’s direct drive and powerful software has made it really difficult for the competition.

    • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

      Hi Roger, the steering wheel you see on our shop is the one we’ve been mounting on our simulators. We made it available for the public too as we think it’s a nice steering wheel, thanks to the Sli-Pro display too. We know its cost is far from being affordable, as with that price you can buy a full driving system (steering, base and pedals) from our competitors. This is why we are already working on a new solution to couple with the DRS Integrale, so to make it a complete package without risking the price to be too steep.
      We will reveal everything in the upcoming weeks. 🙂

      • pastor_tedhaggard

        hi, maybe you can make an f1 style wheel but without SLI Pro, but just keep the buttons and shape – as a low cost option – for us DK2 users that don’t need steering wheel displays.

  • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

    DRS INTEGRALE will kill direct drive steering system! 🙂
    we will present our steering system with own HUB and F1 e GT wheel very soon

    • Karsten Da Silva Sørensen

      one BIG statement !! i haven’t tried neither as of yet to say yay or nay. Btw are you guys open to visitors in your shop in San Marino ??

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Yes Karsten, you can try our own steering system in our company in San Marino from the firt week of february!

      • Karsten Da Silva Sørensen

        thinking more like this coming summer 😛

      • Matthew Arnold

        No, go now or ill never talk to you again 😉

      • Karsten Da Silva Sørensen

        thats too bad i was staring to like you as a long lasting friend !

      • Matthew Arnold

        Go check them out Karsten 🙂 the tell us what you think

    • MrMaki

      Ok. Bodnar got 16Nm.
      My OSW got 29Nm and a 16000 PPR encoder.
      I wonder how you are going to “kill” that DD-wheel :-S
      Childish command…

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Wait a few days and you’ll see it..

      • Matthew Arnold

        noise is the main thing for me. My logitech wheel is horrendous lol

      • MrMaki

        Yes of course. And what about the higher torque? Will that be even higher in a few days? It has to be since you are going to kill all that DD-Servos.

        I’m just so fed up with that marketing trash talk. I remember Berny saying how the AF would crush all the other wheels.
        torque? Less then every other Servo.
        Rotor inertia? Who knows.
        He didn’t give even a single test wheel to a bodnar owner. But all the CSW V1 users are amazed. Surprised, surprise…

        Same goes for Fanatec. All the other manufacturers just build DD-servos because they lack the knowledge to build that awesome belt drive… Ridiculous!

        Can’t one just be pleased with “we offer an awesome product for the money”?

        And there you go with the next product killing all the 2000-5000€ wheels :-S

        Yes well, we’ll see

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Please also see my reply to Sim Antics few lines below. 🙂

      • JBA

        How much maximum torque do you even need…?

      • Eliseo

        what motor are you using with your open simwheel?? you are the guy with the lenze?? how does it copes with the overamperage? heat or fade problem? for 29 nm you must be doubling amperage or nearly if im not mistaken.

    • Marble Shark

      Again, if this is priced a penny more than 150 Euros it’s pretty much pointless… what’s the RRP?

  • gabkicks

    My CSW V2 is supposed to ship next week 🙁 Now with the accuforce and this wheel I am unsure of if I made the right decision…

    • Matthew Arnold

      Can you send it back?

      • Richard Hessels

        If it’s new.. you probably can sell it for the same price in half a day. Saves many people 3 months of waiting.

    • Sim Antics

      TBH The accuforce may really be the way to go and all that direct drive has to offer. I can only assume a direct drive wheel having zero deadzone where anything else would most likely have some.

      • Richard Hessels

        All real cars have a slight deadzone..
        Cant be zero, as there are at least 3 to 4 separate parts (1 to 2 joint-links, some gears and suspension parts) that connect from the steeringwheel in your car to the tire on the track.
        Doubt all these things have less play than 1 CNC cutted gear.

      • Sim Antics

        However a zero dead zone sim wheel may compensate for some input lag all games have?

    • James Robertson

      I have a v2 and it has loads of torque and feels very accurate. I assure you that you will not be disappointed.

      • vilivili

        It is accurate and nice wheel but I’m not satisfied with the amount of torque, clipping happens too often. And there’s no special software like simcommander to optimise the ffb so I’m still hungry

  • Guest

    Too little, too late and too much.

  • Eliseo

    my only concern between this and direct drive is the higher inertia and performance on quick oscillation movement, but not on speed, on torque, ill wait the tests patiently.

  • LogiForce

    Straight cut gears for your legacy G25 gear noise emulation, and motors not bigger than in a G25 or at most a CSWv1 while claiming 14Nm. Nuff said.

    I wouldn’t buy one at all to be honest. A waste of money unless it is 150 euros, as than it would be a nice G25 replacement… maybe. (keep in mind it doesn’t come with a shifter or pedals while the G25 did)

    • Matthew Arnold

      Those motors looks a cut above the G25 mototrs imho 🙂

      • LogiForce

        Maybe slightly, but no way in hell can they produce 14Nm of torque. When a big motor like that from Simsteering ‘only’ produces 16Nm of torque.

        Besides I am way past the straight cut gears that got louder than the television set at a normal level. Belt drive came as a blessing here.
        So I hope they at least will update to a single or dual helical gear.

      • Richard Hessels

        Never had any maths on school?
        Sure this can produce 14Nm..
        First there is a really small gear connected to a huge gear.
        Say it’s 1/10 gearing that 1.4Nm from the 2 motors becomes a huge 14Nm when measured at the driveshaft.

      • Eliseo

        it does not need to be 0,7 nm by motor??? or am i wrong 0,7 * 2 * 10 = 14 nm, anohter thing is that they are using nearly the same power of the simsteering motor the akm 52g of sim steering at 48V at 4.53 A it produces 8.03 nm continous lo prosuce the stated 16 nm it need to double amperage so 48 V @ 9 A the motor is over 432 W the same those little motors are producing.

      • Richard Hessels

        The piston gear counts 20 and the main gear does 120 teeths. Should be a gearing of 6/1.
        So the motors should be capable of producing at least 1,16Nm each. Quite some strong motors.

      • Eliseo

        Thanks for your answer, very nice explained, the reduction is 1/6 and * 2 motors then this is not g25/27 motors

      • Richard Hessels

        Those motors are at least 5 times stronger than those toy 540 class motors that sit in all the lower end plastic wheels.
        They have a much larger amount off collectors, giving much less engine cogging.

    • wajdi nujeidat

      All this obsession about high torque steering wheels is absurd and useless ! Real car steering, specially the moden car, racing cars and modern Formula don’t produce at all torque higher than 10Nm. The modern F1 has a very light steering wheel FFB.
      Now I couldn’t find the link, but I F1 driver has tested the Fanatec CSW V1 and he claimed that it produces too much torque,lol.

      • LogiForce

        I can find many reasons for high torque, Wadji. I am sure you know my opinion of that from GTplanet’s forum.

        But anyway… to name a couple:
        – The first is that an electromagnetic motor does not operate at optimum efficiency if it has to work near its clipping point. In roughly the same way that a speaker (another electromagnetic device) starts to distort at its maximum capacity.
        – Second is that a computer wheel has to simulate more than just one car. So you can go from simulating a super light powersteered rack with a small wheel diameter (small leverage) to simulating an old car without powersteering with a huge 40cm or bigger wooden steering wheel for leverage.

        Also send that F1 driver a message that there is a Tuning menu on the CSW for a reason. To be able to dial in the torque levels to the appropriate settings.
        The same goes for the in-game FFB settings.

      • pastor_tedhaggard

        i think its safe to say that your entire paragraph is disinformation, bordering on propaganda.

      • wajdi nujeidat

        Propaganda for what?!

      • wajdi nujeidat

        And it is safe to say that your post is useless and bordering in troll!

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        We wouldn’t call it useless: it really depends on the car you are trying to simulate.
        Back in November 2013 we went to a MotorShow expo in Switzerland with one of our simulators and we had the luck to have Alex Fontana test it.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtm3Bmppxew
        He did a test on the F1 Lotus few months before and after his test we asked him for his opinion, telling him that we knew the steering wheel was way too light as we had a stock G27. With our surprise, Alex told us that it wasn’t a problem, as in the real car probably was even lighter than that.

        In the past months, instead, we had Mattia Drudi (an Italian driver who ended 2nd in the Italian F4 championship) train on our simulator: his car didn’t have any power steering system (as far as we recall), as such we used to set the SimSteering around 25% of its power to match the real car.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOPcTO5PXz8

        For a normal use, you will very unlikely go over 30/35% (or even less) of a SimSteering system. Where the professional systems differ from the standard steering wheels for home use is the linearity you get in the force feedback effects: that’s exactly what we tried to achieve with DRS Integrale.
        A high torque does not mean you will always use the steering wheel at its maximum, otherwise it might turn into a sort of gym exercise. 🙂 It is instead useful if you want very fast reactions from it with a linear feedback and no dead zones.

      • Sim Antics

        So what is the price of these rigs? It seems like your trying to attract the pro open wheel driver to your product as every day sim racers will not be looking for the same level with few exceptions. If this sim wheel is a product to supplement revenue in a more regular basis I say it’s a good move.

      • MrMaki

        From my experience what you say about normal use torque is plainly wrong.
        30%/35% would be around 4,8-5,6Nm, which is even much less a CSW V2 can handle. Even in a roadcar without/low power steering you can experience more than that.

        I know of at least two servo owners (one SimSteering & one OSW with small Mige) that had GT3 drivers testing their setup.

        Both said that 1:1 mapping in iRacing was way too high (it is around 20Nm in iRacing for GT3 cars). However, both found the FFB realistic at around 11-13Nm.

        I know one guy with experience in the Radical. He told me that from his point of few, the Radical is somewhere at the Borders of the SimSteering (16Nm).

        Unfortunately we can only guess for a car like the DW12. But with that massive down force and no power steering it has to be at least somewhere around 25Nm. Well I can’t image it to be much higher, when you take a look at the drivers. Even the 16Nm in the Radical feels very exhausting after a few laps.
        On paper 16Nm is only double the forces of a CSW V2. but for the driver it feels like five times so strengths.

        On top of that forces you need some room for the hardstop. There is no real hardstop (at least in DD-Servos). So you have to ably more force at your chosen rotation limit to stop you from turning the wheel further.

        So yes, it depends on what you want to do. If you can live with scaled FFB (and therefore less detail) you will not need much more then 10-12Nm. But, if you are going for real force mapping, that’s simply not nearly enough for some cars.

        And driving such cars IS some sort of gym exercise 😉

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Hi MrMaki, have a look at this review too. 🙂 You really never go over 30/35% of FFB gain with such a steering system.

        https://www.virtualr.net/simsteering-wheel-review-videos

      • MrMaki

        Okey, what is that supposed to show us? That the reviewer does not turn it over 30/35%?

        I did when I tried it. And the Bodnar users I know most certainly do. Hell, there are even users running the big MiGe (30Nm) on 100%. And none of them got their arms broken yet.

        Your statement on that 30/35% mark is just wrong….

        Do you really base your statements on a 3rd party review out of 2013?

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Definitely not: we base them on our own experience, as we’ve been using a SimSteering system for months.

        Best regards

      • Bgis

        DW12 is considering power steering because of drivers getting injured.

        http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113002

      • Eliseo

        do better your research, maybe on road cars with power steering is true , but most single seaters doesnt have it and can produce 30 nm of force or more (f1/gp2)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bynp2wiadKM

        it gets quite heavy the steering doesnt it 😀

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B41LTCxiTYk

        this is a telemetry graphic of an FSAE car
        https://plus.google.com/photos/117871854811704866540/albums/6052823222326468513/6052823225607665234?authkey=CImZ5LiksdSuVg&pid=6052823225607665234&oid=117871854811704866540

        as you can see it spikes at more than 260 lbs-in which is more than 29 nm

      • wajdi nujeidat

        Please see the comment below!

      • Eliseo

        i prefer to trust an engineer an mathemaical facts than drivers opinion though…

      • Dunlop Arkaid

        GP2 series is without power steering. Pilots say that wheel is heavy as hell

    • Richard Hessels

      You will only hear the gears when there is enough room in between the gears with no ball-bearings in a plastic housing.. like the G25.
      Do you hear any gear or feel any gear while you turn the wheel of you car?
      As this functions pretty much the same way and looks just as solid as the real thing..
      This looks much more like professional cut hardened metal gears with large diameter shafts on proper ball bearings. There will be almost no measurable play..

      • StarFoxySxv550

        There are no gears inside the cabin, you can defo hear rack-pinion gears from under the car. Gears will always make noise no matter the material nor how close the tolerance, the question is how much will we hear.

    • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

      I don’t know if you got deceived by the pictures as there isn’t anything that you can use to compare our motors with G25 ones, but they definitely aren’t the same size: should we find one (we should still have some G27 in house) we’ll make a comparison shot, so to get a better idea of the difference we’re talking about. 🙂

      • Matthew Arnold

        please do those comparison shots, that would give us all a good idea of the size of motor

      • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

        Tomorrow we can post some picture!

  • Marble Shark

    Looks overpriced and mediocre to me… like others are saying though if it falls in the 100-150 mark it might sell a couple but anything more than that is pointless.

    • http://conticreative.com/ Mario Strada

      I cannot find a price mentioned anywhere…

  • Stef Bord

    DEM Racing Simulators I’m not agree with you F1 cars have a lot of steering torque. See this an F1 car Honda 2001, very interresting .pdf…

    https://www.hondarandd.jp/point.php?pid=522&lang=en

    Without power assist more than 35Nm and peak 50Nm at Suzuka and with power assist more than 20/25Nm

    Indycar 25Nm

    http://web.mscsoftware.com/support/library/conf/adams/na/2000/06_newmanhaas_steering_feel.pdf

    So a powerful system is useful…

    • vilivili

      interesting stuff!

    • pastor_tedhaggard

      absolutely brilliant find.

  • http://dj0100.com/ 0100

    In regards to steering torque. I don’t have any numbers, but back in my younger days I use to race Formula Continental and even being in shape I couldn’t believe the arm fatigue from just one session. The steering loads on an open wheel winged race car is crazy. If you aren’t exhausted after an open wheel sim race I can guarantee you, you aren’t simulating a real open wheel race car. You do develop stamina eventually though, and your body will get use to the loads (by obviously developing stronger muscles). This is what is so great about sim games for real racers. Your mind and body truly get ready for real race conditions.

  • emilblixt

    Looks really simple (in a good way) and sturdy. This could definitely be interesting if the price is right.

  • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

    As promised, here’s a direct comparison between a G25 and a DRS Integrale prototype to show the difference we were talking about in terms of motors size.

    • Dyrlund

      I hope you will use as many standard parts as possible and no fancy designing of the house etc, to keep costs down. Looking at your pic it looks like a +1000 euro wheel…

    • emilblixt

      I like it! No belts, no unnecessary parts or plastic details. I agree it looks expensive though…

    • Richard Hessels

      That’s some serious motors.. in this case.. size does matter.

    • Justin Schmidt

      wonder how much they cost. logitechs and the ones in the non servo fanatecs are very cheap. forgot what the logitechs cost but two motors used in the fanatecs are under 20euros retail. way less for fanatec because they buy in bulk.

      • Sim Antics

        In the CSW v1’s

      • Justin Schmidt
      • Sim Antics

        No it’s not the CSW v2 has a better motor then the v1. Anyway where did you come up with this?

      • Sim Antics

        Also believe me I am none too happy with Fanatec right now but I am not gonna make stuff up

      • Justin Schmidt

        these are the motors of the v1.

        go here and click on comparison http://www.fanatec.com/us-en/racing-wheels/porsche-911-gt2-wheel-us.html

        under ffb motor you see ‘dual mabuchi 550 series’.
        google ‘mabuchi rs-550’ and you will find out what they cost.

        i accidentally posted a link for 555 series but it doesn’t really matter price wise.

        i don’t hate fanatec. i am just aways curious what the different parts of a product cost.

      • Sim Antics

        I am aware of this I own both a v1 and a v2 it sounded like you were saying the v1 motor is being used in the v2 base except only one of them which is not true. I finally think that the motors Fanatec is using in the v2 will last however that does not prevent other issues from happening.

      • Richard Hessels

        Judging some photos i have seen from the CSW v2 motor is’t about half the size of 1 of those used in the DEM.

      • Matthew Arnold

        I think this may be in a different league to the cswv2 tbh. People won’t change their opinions until unbiased reviews/opinions start coming in. I’m hopeful because I think this looks like a heavy duty bit of kit.

      • Sim Antics

        Well I cannot comment since I most likely will never get to try this wheel. All I can say is it looks like a long lasting equation.

      • Sim Antics

        The DEM motors are just strong typical DC motors Fanatec claims their motors are of a Servo mechanism. Which most likely runs cooler and less susceptible to wear. However the DEM motors look like they should be able to handle the load quite well.

      • Richard Hessels

        A servo is nothing else than a DC motor with an absolute encoder build in. You can buy servo’s from 2 to 20.000 euro’s

    • Bgis

      Ok so it,s maybe just a weee bit bigger. You guys are not messing around are you ! I think I would want a kill switch beside my left foot with that thing.Nice design, it looks like you used just enough room for support bearings.

    • Sim Antics

      The headline pictures and the sample pictures look very different, However this looks very durable as the G25 was quite durable as well and yours looks at least twice as durable

      • Matthew Arnold

        Only because this has a housing on it. I think this looks quite a bit more durable than a g25. This really doesn’t look like something I would bolt to my desk unlike the g25. I think I would need a proper rig for this.

      • Sim Antics

        Well you can look at it as a left sided compliment onmy part if you will as there are still many G25’s in operation today and the durability in a cost percentage ratio I would give a 10 out of 10 in those regards. However this Italian wheel might be a 20 out of 20 for durability.

      • Richard Hessels

        Hope it’s more durable than a Italian car.. these are not really known for the their flawless operation.

      • Sim Antics

        It’s a Chevy compared to a Maserati in this case both are durable and it seems Maserati has been quite dependable with the units they have sold in the US. A great car.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        I would have to think that the guys that spend a couple thousand dollars on a wheel already have a nice rig to attach it to.

    • http://dj0100.com/ 0100

      NICE!! Just hope the price is NICE!!!

    • Matthew Arnold

      Thanks for posting this PIC DEM, that looks like a serious piece of kit😀

    • http://www.racingfr.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=44751 Stef Bord

      Not the same division for sure… 🙂 No cogging with these DC motors ?

    • Mark Quigley

      Well that’s a nice big pair 😀

  • Michael Hornbuckle

    Impressive! Too bad it looks like something I will never afford. Good luck to you guys though.

  • http://www.protosimtech.com ProtoSimTech

    Very interesting. Can’t wait to see more 😉

  • http://www.demracingsimulators.com/ DEM Racing Simulators

    We’ve been quite silent lately, so here’s a new image of DEM’s professional steering system, the all new DRS Integrale. As you can see, we put all the electronics inside of the case, so to avoid having too many cables inside of the simulators and in your rooms.
    What do you think about it?

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