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Assetto Corsa – Early Access Beta 0.7 Released

Kunos Simulazioni has released next update for the Early Access Beta of their Assetto Corsa simulation.

Kunos Simulazioni has released next update for the Early Access Beta of their Assetto Corsa simulation.

The 0.7 update adds plenty of changes as listed below and introduces a brand new car & track to the beta.

Players can now race on the Grand Prix Circuit of Germany’s NΓΌrburgring, using a brand new vehicle: The Lotus Type 125.

Powered by a Cosworth V8 engine, the Exos Type 125 is Lotus’ take on a Formula One style customer car. Coming with Formula One style aerodynamics, the car is sold to wealthy clients for a million dollars a piece.

Changelog

– New car Lotus Exos 125
– New upgrade Lotus Exos 125 S1
– New track Nurburgring GP
– Less noisy bodywork sound for GT cars
– Fixed hotlap penalties always on
– Friends Leaderboard :: filters lap for hotlap mode
– Some performance improvements
– Replay size reduced by 25%
– Gui now restoring hidden apps on exit
– Fixed Gui issues on apps
– Fixed smoke issues on replay
– Tuned low-level settings for smoke
– Fixed time attack start
– Some texture update for Autodromo di Monza
– Anticipated pit limiter when entering pitlane for Silverstone and Silverstone International race circuits
– “New” badge in UI cars thumbnails
– New “special tags” filtering. When you select a player car, the AI opponents selection is now suggesting similar cars. You can of course dismiss the special tag and choose more
– New “add visible” and “clear grid” buttons in custom opponents panel UI

Assetto Corsa users can now update their installation to include the new version simply by starting Steam.

  • Anonymous

    Fantastic job KS! You bring smiles to more and more people worldwide πŸ˜‰

  • Jukka Karppinen

    Pure awesomeness. Goodbye weekend social life!

    • Deatroy

      like every 2 weeks πŸ˜€

  • Anonymous

    Oh my dear. This T125 is fun as it is but S1, which is basically 2009 F1 car. I just got my new favourite in AC. As much as I always love road and street cars, I began my simracing career in a BMW Sauber from 2008, and even though I don’t usually race open wheelers much, I just loved this from the second I decided to go to its rev limits.

    This thing around Nurburgring is just fantastic, still got to try other cars around there, but that track is absolutely top notch as usual, my favourite track so far I think! The bumps and the general feel is incredible and the general look of the place is near perfect! Now the only track that may take the cake from this would be Spa once it comes out, but we got to see with that yet! This weekend will be interesting for sure trying to push that T125! πŸ™‚

    • XXVIIRACING

      100% agree. When you go S1 it will be hard to go back to the standard car.

      • Anonymous

        Definitely, everything in the S1 seems to be happening twice as quick. I also found that often the car will try to wrap the back end around me but it’s so easy and natural to catch. I love driving this thing! πŸ™‚

      • F1Racer

        It is pretty good isn’t it ? πŸ™‚
        I’m looking fwd to trying the other cars around the Ring too.

        Fiat 500 for example, hehe.
        I’ve only sampled the 458 S3’s and the Lotus T125 S1 so far.

      • Anonymous

        Definitely, I’ve only tried the T125 stock (only about a lap), the S1 and P4/5 around there so far, and I must admit that I felt P4/5 was so slow after getting used to those crazy speeds.

        That 458 S3 sounds like a great idea, I completely forgot about it, need to give that, the Z4 GT3 and 12C GT3 a go. Fiat 500 may actually be pretty good too, seeing as this track feels quite a bit tighter than I’m used to from back in rFactor πŸ™‚

        I actually fired up rFactor a few times this week and it felt completely ruined by the experiences I’ve already gotten out of AC, I don’t feel at home there as I do with AC or FTruck anymore. Now all that I’m missing is Multi, Modding and the 98t and I’ll be in Sim Racing heaven forever I think πŸ™‚

      • F1Racer

        McLaren MP4 GT is great around Nurburgring.
        I’m still to try the 500 Abarth, the 599 and the BMW E30 Group A which I’m looking fwd to sampling.
        Don’t think I’m ready for the F40 S3 yet though, I feel pathetic in that thing and I always end up going quick that I realise because I have to break quite a bit earlier than I want to and it feels so slow. Not to mention it’s a bit excitable under throttle.

        Yeah Formula Truck.. brilliant sim. I wonder how many sim-racers play it. You really have to totally change your driving habits with those monsters but what a great job Rieza did on it. A personal favourite of mine.

      • F1Racer

        I can’t believe I wrote ‘break’ instead of ‘brake’ !! I’m loosing it !! erm..I mean ‘losing’.
        That’s what you get for writing posts in the early hours.

  • XXVIIRACING

    Loving the feel of this car.

  • Anonymous

    Lotus F1 car…love it. Great !

  • Anonymous

    Wow, this NΓΌrburgring looks and feels totally different from everything I have driven so far in virtual reality. Absolutely awesome

    • Pure Citrus

      yeah this has really driven home how inaccurate the other versions I have driven were, so much narrower and tighter. Only minor gripe is the background and sky are still pretty boring, I would really appreciate some weather.

  • wajdi nujeidat
    • GamerMuscle

      So good !

  • Metal Machine

    AC Forums are on extreme happy mode. Some player’s still can’t believe the Nurburgring GP track is real :D. My day was well spent! 100 meters away, neighbors thought i got GT3 in my room ;). Thank’s kunos!

  • Anonymous

    well. thats it. AC has taken it to the next level. They are leagues ahead of the rest. Its over. Mission complete. Ive just made a video, driving it for the first time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmkwL3LNL3Y&feature=youtu.be

    • F1Racer

      As for the apps, if you click the Assetto Corsa logo it acts like the ‘X’ to close the app.

      • Anonymous

        aaaaah. thanks.

      • Chris Wright

        Not sure that’s really you. The guy in the vid comes across as an easy going chap without your usual cynicism on here. Maybe you have two personas :-))) Anyway excellent analysis, nicely done.

      • F1Racer

        It is surprising. I thought it was a stunt double πŸ™‚ Good video though.

      • Justin Schmidt

        it’s for sure not the same pastor ted haggard one finds in a google search.(a homo pastor with a meth problem)

      • Guest

        No comment πŸ™‚

      • F1Racer

        LOL, he broke bad πŸ™‚

    • Anonymous

      You can close the app window by clicking the AC logo in the upper left corner! =)

    • wajdi nujeidat

      I don’t agree at all! for e rf2 is in the same league of AC! I love both and play both…..

    • GamerMuscle

      Nice video , I agree with what you said about the car just amazing how it handles and how controllable it is, yet at the same time I can see it being a very hard car to nail that perfect lap with.

    • Markus Ott

      The fun part is you are so much overexaggerating and dreaming about this car while you can’t even drive it… πŸ™‚

      • Anonymous

        I Brake early as far as how I drive so the car was perfect for me

    • Anonymous

      Too much drama! Yes this is great stuff no doubt but still is in the league we call Simulation. In a class by itself? Don’t know there are other similar cars still being developed.

    • Doug

      you are understeering on l1 because you are on cold tyres. NKP was exactly like this too, and is how it should be. By lap 2-3 the turn in grip is noticeable. Interested to know about tyre deg after 10 laps or more.

      • Anonymous

        nor…..i explained in the video why in the first lap or so i was understeering off. Im sure as you say, cold tyres was a factor, but its mainly because i thought i was driving an f1 car with f1 brakes, and am so used to braking very late and deep going into a lot of the corners at nurburgringGP.

  • https://www.racingameshow.com/ RacinGameShow

    That’s a very challenging car. Tricky to stay on the road and even harder to go fast. Little video here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqLDAQupGUY

  • MrMaki

    Love the track and the car. However, the starting lights bridge is missing :-]

    That green surfaces behind the curbs need some rework in several places too. In the blocked part of the NGK-chicane (which is used in VLN for example) it is missing completely. Hm, I’d really like to see an option to vary the track layout in such places like the NGK-chicane, Castrol-S/Mercedes Arena etc. in the future. Would be awesome, if we could just switch that during track selection.

    But that track is sooo much fun to drive. Can’t wait for Spa and Nordschleife.

    Oh, and that T125 S1 is just sick O_o …feels like riding a fireball!

    tyvm for that update! πŸ˜€

  • GamerMuscle
    • F1Racer

      Have you tried the S1 version or was this it ? If not I think you’ll get even more buzzed with that one :).

      • GamerMuscle

        So Good , Finally an F1 style car that’s worth putting the time into!

        Just incredible nailing the balance of the car around corners and just putting slightly to much power on and correcting it , Its going to take me a good amount of time to put down a good lap with this car though , especially on the German track !

      • F1Racer

        I have yet to take the T125 around turns 2 and 3 of Vallelunga so am looking fwd to that.
        Also ploughing the McLaren MP4 GT3 around Nurburger will be cool as, I imagine, will be the 599XXXXXX Heave-ho.

      • GamerMuscle

        I just think driving this T125 in a league would be incredible and then for public servers the GT3 and GT2 cars are perfect.

        There just seems to be so much depth to these cars compared to other simulators at the moment aside from a couple of mods and specific cars in other games.

      • F1Racer

        Agreed. KS is really polishing a diamond here and they just keep adding carats. (Don’t even know if that makes sense πŸ™‚ )

  • Helio Ferraz

    I have to admit, going around Nurburgring with the mclaren GT3 has to be one of the best sim experiences I’ve had in a long time The replays, all they need to add is a little reverb to the car sounds!

    • jaka

      Yup, Mclaren gt3 is a lot more enjoyable for me to and is a lot more suitable car for this track imo. When i overdrive t125 and go sideway in slow corner it has strange arcade feeling, otherwise is ok, but nothing what i don’t see already in some other games. All this hype about t125 i have a feeling, mostly come from people that was lately play a big arcade titles.

  • Richard Tough

    Great progress and additions, the experience of the Lotus 125 on the GP layout at 10am completely validates a purchase IMO. The fact that Spa and the full Ring are on their way is amazing. Once multiplayer is here I have no doubt it will be heavily populated. Clearly everything is still W.I.P but I have no worries over what the future holds.

  • Anonymous

    Great work Kunos as always! It would be nice to be able to put on a virtual helmet as an option.

  • Chris Wright

    Damn this hobby. I’m trying to work out how the heck to spend my limited weekend seat time – the brilliance of AC, F2 around the revamped Silverstone on rF2, the fantastic new tyre model in iRacing, Mini racing in GSC2013, the nice current Hungaroring time challenge on RRE, a blast on DTM Experience/F1 2013, or maybe retro simming on NR2003/GPL/GTR2/rF1, or even the “disastrous and brilliant in equal measure” curate’s egg that is Nascar 14. And there’s others too. We’ve never had it so good, or so blinking difficult to know what to race next. Great times.

    • Francesco Kasta

      Well, I guess you are wright this time!

    • http://www.bsimracing.com/ Wim

      amen.

    • F1Racer

      I’d go for Angry Birds πŸ™‚

      • Chris Wright

        Decent bird catapult physics :-)))

    • Fernando Capel

      You mentioned the Nascar 14, surprisingly after a little tinkering with the force feedback and find an acceptable point, I can say that the game is a real surprise. I’m really enjoying it, still discovering things, but I’m enjoying it.

      • Chris Wright

        AI is stupidly brutal early in the race then kind of sorts itself out and the result is some pretty good NASCAR fun. Still not enough “sim” features to rival NR2003, but getting better and the car physics are excellent. Just annoying they haven’t made it better than it is – some lazy design decisions let it down a bit. But as you say it has its good points.

      • F1Racer

        A little OT but in N14 do you get it where the AI all stay bunched up for the entire race at Daytona ? If you’re at the back it makes it supremely impossible to work your way through as it’s always “3 wide”, “car up top”, “car on the bottom” or “don’t scratch that paint buddy”.
        In Texas for example they do spread out and invariably 1 or 2 cars inexplicably fall away from the pack but can’t seem to get a decent race in Daytona cos of that bunching.

      • Chris Wright

        That is precisely, 100% my experience at Daytona. Talladega is a lot better in the game, after the pack gets a bit stretched.

        The AI difficulty percentages are somewhat baffling too and there’s that silly thing of qualifying first no matter what level you set them at.

        A lot of people would like to string up Eutechnyx for what they haven’t done with this game, and I do admit they should do better, but I find that apart from the major shortcoming you highlight, plus the arcadish elements, as a visceral driving experience it’s in a different class to NR2003. The impression of speed and driving model is now very good indeed. In other words, good progress but not enough progress πŸ™‚

        Off topic as you say, but our illustrious leader here at Virtual r hasn’t done a story on the release yet, hint, hint πŸ™‚

    • Traumahound

      : ) Good read. Yes, safe to say GTR2, rF1 is officially retro.
      Funny you mention NR2003; I finally just got on that train, having got over my abstinence of Nascar racers.

  • Anthony Birch

    Thank you

  • Justin Schmidt

    not sure if i should be happy because i am on vacation since last month or sad because i am not home to test this. looks tasty!

  • Victor Harris

    Anyone else getting a runtime error?

    • Anonymous

      try to reinstall the game

      • Victor Harris

        I got it working, I checked the forums, the issue was the replay setting was too large, I reset it to default and it’s working fine. And I still have a decent replay time. Just in case anyone has the same issue.

        I would have said something earlier…but I was playing.

  • Moose

    Both versions of the T125 are hands down the best single seaters ever put in a home simulator. Awesome work Kunos!

    • Kendra Jacobs

      Hey Moose. Just wondering, is ac the first and only sim youve ever played? Serious question….

      • Moose

        I’ve driven every sim made for PC since there were PC’s.

        Serious question my arse! Away with you troll.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        Hey Moose, aren’t you about 6000 irating or so? Ac your first sim, lol…..LOL!!!!!!

      • Moose

        I suspect i was sim racing when Kendra was still in nappies (Diapers) πŸ˜‰

  • Jardier

    Both version especially “GP2” one is amazing to handle, Great fun on track.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYno-hV658k

  • Jos

    wow 4.0 surround + 22 exo’s arround imola in tv cam made me feel like I was at the race track, great sound and graphics!

    now the AI themselves drive like they are drunk hehehe.

  • Anonymous

    The Lotus Type 125 is wonderful and IMO will be a tough car for other developers to top. I love it! It drives how I would expect a lite openwheel car to drive. I saw mentioned and question if in fact Kunos are doing things right? Where it concerns me they surly are.

    Just Remember when Judging Racing Sims: All are Simmers and fall short of the Glory of Real Life!
    My motto!

    • Anonymous

      I get it. Ro. 3:23 LOL, that’s a good one.

      • Anonymous

        Romans 3:24 and on the 5th day god created Ferrari to fill the 6th and 7th days

      • Anonymous

        Hmmmm?, “The wages of sin is a Ferrari. But the Gift of God is free gas and maintenance, forever?”

    • Anonymous

      So your subjective opinion “somehow” trumps theirs?

      • Anonymous

        No as I read it seems to be many peoples opinions. Straight up I like the car very much but I am not one to limit myself to just that. There are a few other similar cars from other creators that are great as well I just so happen to think this is a tad better.

  • Anonymous

    Give them the F1 game license please.

    • Shaddix

      Impossible due Codemaster. But skinners will create the F1 skins and then you wont feel a difference.

      • Pascal

        It has 6 gears.

      • Anonymous

        8 this year, no?

      • Alejandro Gorgal

        Im hoping Kunos will add a S2 with 7 gears at some point, I wonder how hard it’ll be to mod alternate upgrade stages like that?

      • Shaddix

        yeah and less downforce, more torque, no drs atm, no kers, different sound :p

  • Francisco Meireles

    Hi all, hello from brazil! Just downloaded AC, but I can’t set my wheel, any help?
    It’s a CSW with formula rim… Help please πŸ™‚

    • http://www.thewayiplay.com/mainforum/index.php?topic=202.0 Jeremy Roberts

      Have you tried going through the ‘Configuration Wizard’ in the Options/Controls menu Francisco? There’s no default profile for the CSW. At least, there wasn’t one for me.

  • Kendra Jacobs

    Jesus what have Kunos done?

    The Lotus F1 car drives so boringly, its more boring to drive than the codemasters and granturismo F1 car. But they threw some trickiness into the braking and so people could call it a sim. Man this game gets more and more terrible the faster the cars become. Good for street cars only.

    This game is such simcade its not even funny.

    Even if Im 5 seconds off the pace which im not, an F1 style car should be way more involving, this thing feels like driving a light weight sedan to a coffee shop on a relaxed sunday morning.

    Kunos seriously rehire the guy who did the netkar pro physics and give up this whole catering to the simcade crowd mentality. Even the way way the cars spin and loose grip is simcadish. This is a zillion miles away from netkar pro.

    Kunos totally are just catering for the money with this sim, there is no way they can do so bad when netkar pro was so good unless the nkp physics guy left or something.

    So mad I wasted money on this, honestly it drives so boringly, just garbage.

    Kunos go back to a proper sim, theres more to life than just making as many dollars as you can. AC physics are just a game, figure your stuff out Kunos.

    this

    • Moose

      Nice trolling Sir. Well played.

    • Gonzalo Rodriguez Sastre

      boringly, terrible, simcade, simcadish, bad, garbage, ……
      do i have the same GAME?

      probably not.

      what we play are videogames, and what the majority of people use are game controllers (stering wheels included), even what the professional teams use are VIDEOGAME engines trying to make a far approach of the real world combined with profesional hardware, im not talking about good steering wheels , motion sims and that stuff ,there is much more.

      i dont understand your point, not solid, sorry.

    • Anonymous

      Everyone is welcome to their opinion. Critics often dish the best efforts of human art. To some it taste great. To others it is just too salty. Shurk it of Kunos, and keep on, keepin on.

      • F1Racer

        While that may be true you cannot just post with that attitude. It’s unacceptable.

      • Anonymous

        Well, this isn’t a normal media outlet. That has critics on staff. But protecting Sim Racing is OK with me.

      • F1Racer

        I think a lot of media outlets have critics on staff, particularly newspapers and magazines.
        But surely we are all fans and critics when it comes down to it.

        Removing that post was a moderating decision based on the rules (No.2 in this case). Posts like that pollute places like this and it’s easier to remove the offending post that wade through loads of vociferous come-backs from the fans.
        Yes I think it’s ok to call it protecting sim-racing. Sometimes people need protecting from themselves and this to me was one of those cases.
        Anyway it’s done and hopefully dusted now πŸ™‚

      • Anonymous

        Guess you missed, that my first post was made before you removed it? Or maybe you were just being courteous, by explain your action? Not that it matters much. Any way, keep up your volunteer work. You are appreciated.

      • F1Racer

        No I didn’t miss that πŸ™‚ I just didn’t agree that Kendra’s ‘opinion’ in that post was welcome. So yes it was courtesy, and thanks πŸ™‚

    • Racing jason

      why don’t you uninstall AC and go hotlapping again in NKpro….or shut up and program your own sim

    • http://www.bsimracing.com/ Wim

      Funny Kendra.. If you click your name we can see all your Disquss comments. It’s clear you need a doctor…. When people are so negative about everything, they are endangering themselves. Some have been known to commit suicide. Then again, it might just be you playing mind games… But the result is the same. Get medical help.

      • punkfest2000

        Haha. Its true there’s something wrong with him. It’s a personality disorder though, and medications are unlikely to help. We just have to expect him to bring in his expertise from time to time and have a good laugh.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t listen to “Wim” Kendra, if you were on his site, you’d be banned by now.
        re AC vs the rest….it may or may not do some things better, but many of the cars drive in a weird manner.
        None of the cars in netkar or GSC drive in a weird manner.

    • Anonymous

      i agree, on my video i posted below, you can see me twirling the wheel round with my fingers, its so easy!!

    • Iwan

      Hi Kendra,

      maybe you should check, if any aids are activated in the options, or try to press ctrl+t ; ctrl+a in game.

    • Adrian Herrera

      I wish the comments section would allow us to ignore users, that way we could once and for go od forget about this character kendra and pastor ted. It’s just not funny anymore…

      • F1Racer

        I’m going to defend Pastor here. He did take the time to put up a video here on AC and the Lotus T125 which you should see before you judge.

      • Anonymous

        Seriously though, is there a way to ignore users like there is with RES on Reddit?

      • F1Racer

        Apart from exercising will power and just not reading their posts, not to my knowledge.

      • Anonymous

        Well, with RES when you ignore them the whole thread they create would be hidden. Hopefully Disqus will add it.

    • Anonymous

      Damn I missed it!!!

    • Smithaz

      From what I’ve seen, everything Kendra says is pretty accurate and sensible stuff, only said from the perspective of complete perplexion and frustration at the people saying AC is the best racing game known to man.

      • Anonymous

        Man that just melted my brain!!!

      • F1Racer

        And why can’t some people have that opinion without fear of being harassed for it ? I’m sure the other person, in this case Kendra, has their idea of which is the best one (rF2, I think, in Kendra’s case) and expects their opinion to be respected. It works two ways.

        Not everyone is going to agree on the best sim but we should all be able to understand that not everyone will agree on the same thing.

        Maybe it’s a good thing you didn’t see this post then because it was neither accurate or sensible.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Love rf2, gsc and ir, but I probably said it 17 times now that nkp is my fave. People seem think I hate every sim escept rf2 and that im some hardcore rf2 fanboy but I also love ir and gsc 2013 and that my ultimate fav if I had to pick just one would be nkp. I guess ppl on this site just keep accusing me of this out of hate.

      • F1Racer

        Yes probably. An emotion you yourself have brought on because you cannot post criticism without getting peoples backs up. You say all the wrong things and are condescending to people while you do it.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        The only people I was condescending to in my original post was Kunos. Not anyone on here, well maybe until after I got attacked from 100 people.

        It should be ok to talk like that about kunos considering it’s a product they make that I gave my hard earned money to them for.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Thanks I am frustrated because I paid money for the game and it shkuld be at least as good to drive as their old sim netkar pro.

        But for that I not only get my post deleted but threatened to be banned? Wow sorry VirtualR didnt know you are only allowed to post if you love something.

        I wasnt trolling, I spent time writing a post saying that its too boring and uninvolving too drive I also said that there is some trickiness to the braking and it acts very odd and simcaddey. That is not trolling.

        This site should stop taking things personally and issuing threats and bans just because someone voices an opinion many dont like.

    • Anonymous

      Noooo! Missed it! I like Kendras posts, make me feel almost normal.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        I rewrote above in a more constructive and less angry way

  • Anonymous

    I remember when Jeremy Clarkson drove this car with Jean Alesi as his mentor a while back . clarkson said he had driven FAST cars , cars with massive down force and cars that were very light but never all in one package and couldnt wait to get out of the thing . He could not keep the tyres up to temp and could not control the raw power and that is exactly how i find the New Lotus F1 … I was praying it wouldnt be on rails , and its not . You need to be in the right gear at the right time , taking your foot of the gas and hoping that you will go round the corner just encourages massive undeersteer .. PUSH THE CAR WITH THE GAS AND MAKE THE DOWN FORCE WORK !!! ,, thats why the best drivers drive F1 cars people .. This car will get better and better .. Well done Kunos , well done .

    • Deatroy

      and setup is very important on this car.
      If you change a small on this Lotus, you can feel the difference more than on other cars.
      with the right setup its quite easy to catch the car and drive great times^^

    • Anonymous

      yeah, as we all know, clarkson is a superb driver – so if he finds it difficult, we should find it difficult too.

    • Anonymous

      One thing to keep in mind when watching these “Regular Guys in a Formula Car” videos is that even when Hammond was given a real, championship F1 car to play with he was put on Silverstone’s short track. Clarkson was on a truncated version of their power circuit which is not a circuit for cars that need downforce to work properly.

      There are a couple of F1 experience classes you can go to but they’re old, detuned versions of F1 cars and they usually give you like 2 total laps. Chris Harris was given a go at a truncated version of the Silverstone GP course but it was in January with ice actually on the track!

      I’d love to see a regular person (including car journos) taking a non-detuned F1 car around a proper high speed GP course and given enough laps to get the tires up to temperature. I have yet to see even a single video of that.

  • Big Tex

    I remember when sim racers were a close, tightly knit and supportive community of friends. Dunno what it is today.

    • GamerMuscle

      Well I don’t think that’s true , you got your nostalgia glasses on , there are always going to be people with differing opinions and people have always had them even going back to playing games on the Atari ST.

      Might be slightly more opportunity to be more vocal about things now but I can assure you sim-race religion wars have been going on for years , even pre PC simulation.

      As things get more popular you will also see more people who love something and more people that don’t and more of that occasional person that just wants to be a troll king.

      Really as far as groups of people go most people that are active with sim-racing seem layed back and friendly.

    • Kendra Jacobs

      The problem is because GT and FM are getting a little better and better simracing started getting more mainstream then in combination with social media, and then with people comparing or mentioning pc sims in the gt and fm forums and video comments, then with project cars and its insane graphics and tons of awesome videos pumped out drawing even more mainstream people in, then with ac drawing so many in with it going on Steam and all its pretty advertisements with real exotic and pretty roadcars and nice graphics.

      All this combined has blurred the entire industry and sim guys are getting into arcadey console physic games like codemasters f1, fm, gt, and console guys are getting into pc sims. The whole industry is all crossed over and blurred. Youd think itd be for the better and to get more people playing but really it just gets a ton of ppl that are used to arcadey games hailing certain other games because it feels more sim to them than their console game while still being very easy and basic to drive to pretty good laptimes like their console game. So then you get a bazillion of them hailing that one sim as the best ever when its only good to them because it suits their skills from console games and they hardley know any better of how complex and technical and sensitive cars can be when driving hard.

      Kunos, with their insanely good reputation from netkar pro have made this whole blurrring of the industry even worse as people think that kunos are gods just because of netkar pro and fail to see just how video gameish ac’s driving physics characteristics really are.

      Creating the ac physics engine from scratch instead of building from the netkar pro base was the biggest mistake kunos made, but with the way the industries of simcade and sim have all been blurred hardly anyone notices this, most seem incapable of analysing how simplified ac’s vehicle dynamics behave.

      • Anonymous

        TL,DR; Because people like to rant on forums about what they feel are correct physics instead of listening to people who’ve actually driven the cars.

      • Alejandro Gorgal

        A couple of things:
        1-Im not sure what your sources for assuming that AC was built from scratch are, but considering the short development time it had (yes, I said short, how do I know it’s a short development time? I’ve been working on the industry for over 5 years now) I would say AC’s engine is very much NKpro 2.0.

        2-I feel that your point of view is a bit childish, I don’t mean to say this in a harmful way mind you, this is not meant as a personal attack, I just think that this “I like X so I don’t want it to be popular because it’ll get worse” is very selfish.
        Sim racing is still (and will always be) a very niche market, if developers like Kunos, SMS, ISI and so on want to continue to exist they need to continue making games more approachable.
        This does not mean dumbing down the physics, but just making them more accessible.
        I have a personal problem against RF2’s incredibly confusing update system (the few times I tried to give the game a chance I always end up with at least a few car or tracks that I couldn’t pick because they appeared to be corrupted) and quite possibly the most confusing menu system I’ve ever seen in a video game. This is a bad thing because Im convinced there’s a great game buried there underneath this stuff that Im sure I would enjoy if I had the time to understand it, but I dont as I have real life obligations, AC, Pcars and even iRacing understand this which is why they allow me to jump on a race in just a few clicks.

        My point here is, PC gaming has a few things to learn from console gaming, namely accessibility, and console games also have a few things to learn from PC land like the fact that dumbed down games aren’t always what consumers want (how many big franchises have we seen fail due to a publisher deciding to make their games more easy?).

        I think we can all coexist and we should because at the end of the day we want this hobby to grow and continue, I wish I could go back in time and purchase a thousand copies of RBR just so we could have a sequel, but we can’t, so Im going to purchase RF2 and support ISI even though I can’t really enjoy the damn thing because god dammit, sim racing in all shapes and forms is kick ass!

  • Hanzales

    Another “videospam” πŸ™‚ representing T125(s1) at NΓΌrburgring GP
    http://youtu.be/JE7ajYDPs0E

  • Anonymous

    Shininess maps on the tyres?

    • Anonymous

      A minor issue but one I saw as well. I don’t think I’ve ever seen heated up race slicks shine. They are tacky, sticky and dark.

  • http://www.fb.com/isa.simuladores I S A Simuladores

    one picture

    • Anonymous

      What kind of small display is that?

      • http://www.fb.com/isa.simuladores I S A Simuladores

        Hello, 3×23″ + DashmeterPro on Samsung Galaxy 7.

    • Anonymous

      Kinda same setup as mine ^^
      Just one advice if i may. Use the triple screen setup, and add some more value to the angle, the mirrors are looks a bit distorted…:)

      • http://www.fb.com/isa.simuladores I S A Simuladores

        No Problem ;). The angle is 45Β°, but in the picture seems less!.i guess for the angle of Shot.

  • Hugo Stiglitz

    Man, there really are some delusional people in this world. and I was naive enough to think this car would finally win the haters over, NOPE

    • Smithaz

      This car somewhat highlights the arcadey physics characteristics of this game.

      • Roger Wallentin

        You have got to be kidding? Seriously? I have driven an open wheeler formula car and to me this feels anything but faked or simplified to me.

      • Smithaz

        What about the way that when you set off, say by shifting into first at 75% max revs, it simply bogs down in a strange manner. You can make it wheelspin by using full or near full throttle but it spins the wheels in a strange manner. You cannot deny that this is unreal and oversimplified.

      • Roger Wallentin

        I agree wheel spin feels a bit unrealistic from standstill in some cars, it feels like there is too much traction vs torque. Especially the low power cars like the stock E30 M3 on street tires.

        But once you are at speed the traction vs power feels significantly more realistic than any other sim, by far. The way you can be at full power and feel wheelspinn comming and going based on you steering angle and inclide/declines in the track I have only felt in real life prior to nKPRO and AC. It’s one of the most impressive aspects of the physics IMO that I have never experienced in a sim before with this detail and realism.

        It could be something they need to tweak in the tire model relating to how the tire looses traction when it gets hot and vaporizes when the car is barely moving and the tires are moving at high speed.

      • Sesto Elemento

        It’s just dumb people that can’t understand basic physics and try to overdrive it on the first lap, which causes them to crash because of understeer given by low tyre temp and not enough aero because they are to slow. Or they wrestle it around and don’t respect the throttle and get snap oversteer. And then they come here complaining about arcadey physics.

        Fact is, this may very well be one of the best open wheelers in sim-racing. Jump off the hate train.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Lol no its the other way around its simcadey because its too simplified in how the cars behave according to your inputs, not because of understeer or spinning, neither of those are a problem, you can fix those or drive around those in any game with your own driving or setup regardless of how sim or arcade a game is. I learned how to mostly stop spinning years ago after maybe my first or 2nd year of simming, it has nothing to do with spins or understeer. Just the overall characteristics are just way too simplified.

        play netkar pro, irading, game stock car 2013, rfactor 2, You will see exactly what I mean. They are 10 times more alive than ac and make ac feel like a game thats only slightly better than a console simcade like gt or fm.

      • Moose

        “play netkar pro, irading, game stock car 2013, rfactor 2, You will see exactly what I mean. They are 10 times more alive than ac”

        I’ve played them all. netKar Pro was my favourite sim of all time. I bought it on day 1 and have put more miles on it than probably 99% of people here. I fired it up again today after reading all your rubbish just to see if my opinion of it had been warped somewhat by driving AC so much recently. It’s still a great sm, but where on earth you get that its “10x more alive than AC” from i have no idea. There is a depth to the AC Exos physics that just isn’t there in nkPro. I don’t know what your doing with AC, but you’re doing something wrong. Driving the Lotus on the edge in AC is the best single seater experience I’ve ever had in a sim.

        You’ve made your opinion very clear. We get it. I suggest uninstalling AC and going back to whatever other sims you like and leaving the rest of us who are loving this sim in peace. Your opinion of AC is so far from what i’m experiencing it not funny.

      • Smithaz

        I drove the lotus f1 thing to a 1.44 aroung nurburg gp today, that may or may not be good enough in your opinion, but in mine it gave me a good enough understanding of the physics to think they are not the greatest.
        It is like the knife edge while cornering is really soft, it doesn’t react to your inputs very much, you either cross the limit (and get into an easily recoverable slide) or you don’t. I cannot dynamically control the car with the throttle around the corner, it doesn’t or barely react. Understeer is always prevalent even with 22 front wing 20 rear, it doesn’t really help turn in, only causes snaps on the exit when i reach highest 5% of revs, never really mid corner from bad throttle or steering inputs.

        AC, to me, doesn’t seem that dynamic, you either wheelspin or you dont, you slide or you don’t, it snaps or it doesn’t, the fine line / knife edge is very blurred and soft and isn’t very reactive.
        The fact is, AC does not punish bad technique, anybody can drive a high powered racing thoroughbred around a track even with bad technique and it looks like your driving well. In fact, when pushing the limits, it actively rewards bad practices in order to get faster times.
        I implore you, try the F1 car in rF2 and come back and compare the two, then you will learn about tyre temp and aero and pushing too hard.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        You explained it so much better than me.

        THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jaimy Mewe

        And now what did you achieve?

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Thank you finally someone can see the light.

        AC should be for road cars only, the more hard edged hardcore racecar it tries to model the more the simcade characteristics of the physics engine come out.

  • RacerGuy

    I don’t know…the cars feel pretty good but that under steer is too strong in my opinion. One thing that I hope they get right is the ai….because right now they are worst that I have ever seen in a racing game, focus on aspect of the game at a time and not pushing out new cars and tracks…get the basics nailed down first.

    • Anonymous

      It’s called Beta… look it up if your confused. I have not experience strong under steer….. use your brakes!

      • Kendra Jacobs

        THe understeer can be driven around with your driving and setup, that is not the problem.

  • Anonymous

    This update brings so much fun but clearly also alot of hate. This world….Why can’t ppl understand you can love more then one thing? Lets be happy with every effort that is done to give us great hours of racing. pCars, rF2, AC, GSC what even F1 2013 makes me happy. I am thankfull to everyone who makes my sunday afternoon a blast. Stop the trolling and hating. It is so 2013 to do that. Lets make 2014 a happy year without hate. Lets have good discussions without the hate and only about our passion for the same thing. That’s simracing and we love it!!

    • Anonymous

      Agreed… SamuelKorthof , hell I like them all. If a game developer accomplishes what their intents are, its a successful game. A person may not like it, but no reason to bash the developers because its not like something else. Like the FM and GT series.

      This is a Beta…. meaning unfinished…! Yet folks complain about AI and track graphics, career mode, MP, etc! We all know AC developers intend to have career mode, competitive AI, and MP…. let them finish it.

    • Kendra Jacobs

      Because some ppl are only looking for simulations not video games with compromises

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Then look without coming on every AC thread and slate the people playing it or the developers. Keep your mouth shut and play whatever you want to play. The only thing you`re doing every time again is starting a flame war. No need for that. You`re not going to change anyone`s mind, noone takes you seriously anymore, noone wants to read your same boring crap over and over again, and i really don`t know where you get the time and energy to keep posting the stuff you post. Why do you even still come here? Really, just go away. Or go post on the RF2 forums and be happy there with your real simulator…

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Sorry but I don’t get the rf2 comment, I said it about 20 times that nk pro is my all time fave and that I also love ir and gsc along with rf2. So trying to make me look like im some hater who hates all sims except for being some rf2 fanboy is not only inaccurate but just makes you look like a fool that is making up anything just to go against me.

        By the way, rf2 is much more of a real sim than ac, so is nk pro from 7 years ago, so is ir and so is gsc.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Still avoiding the core of my comment. Replace RF2 with NK then and try again.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        I’ll replace it with about 5 other simulators. lol

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Go ahead. You still always avoid the question every time WHY you are here acting like a god talking down on AC and the players on every AC thread. WHY, what do you gain out of it. Like i said “You`re not going to change anyone`s mind, noone takes you seriously anymore, noone wants to read your same boring crap over and over again, and i really don`t know where you get the time and energy to keep posting the stuff you post.” Answer that…you don`t, you never do. “lol”

      • Kendra Jacobs

        I only wrote one post about my thoughts I would have left it at that. But then I get attacked from a million fanboys.
        So that is why, because a million fanboys who probably think netkar pro, iracing, rfactor 2, Richard burns rally, live for speed, game stockcar, and every other sim in existence are all just sooooooo bad and wrong compared to their unholy ac (and I bet half of them fanboys haven’t even played half those sims, let alone lap decently in them)

      • Jaimy Mewe

        I own them all and i enjoy them all. Your problem is?

      • Smithaz

        Why not discuss the merits and shortfalls of a particular sim. It is frustrating to read the ignorant comments of people exclaiming AC to be the greatest just because it has slightly better physics than Gran Turismo.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        You have discussing, and discussing. Kendra cannot discuss anything because he is not open to opinions and thoughts of others people. AC sucks, every other sim is better and if you don`t agree you have to go read books and watch f1 onboard footage because you don`t know anything. That`s how Kendra discusses things and quite frankly it`s more like discussing last nights soccer game with a downsyndrome chimpansee then having a rational discussion with a human being. I and many others are sick of this. The way you critisize AC is perfectly fine, you have a strong underbuild opinion and i enjoy reading comments like that, that`s what i`m here for πŸ™‚

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Probably because most people just want something that isn’t too arcade but also has some simness, so that they get a good consistent fun driving experience while not being totally arcade, then they can tell themselves they are playing a real simulator only to feel better. Not to mention the Kunos name also makes them think ac is the holy grail just because their old sim nk pro was so good.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        What about that guy below with open wheeler experience, or the guys on the AC forums with the real cars that say they are very close to their real life counterparts? Must be people who like their arcade games. I take them more serious then someone who claimed to have read some “books” and watched some f1 onboard footage. Hell, i have read and study`d alot of avionics, watched alot of aircraft video`s and played a hell of alot of flight sims. That doesn`t make me a real pilot now does it? I leave the opinions to the ones that DID flew a plane or DID drive that real car. I suggest you do the same…

      • Kendra Jacobs

        I have seen people say every sim is close to their real cars. Plus the standard road cars in ac aren’t as bad, actually I like them for the most part. Good enough for me to at least not complain about and play.

        The more hardedged and racecar the car is though the more the arcadey characteristics come out though.

        Unless that guy was a real professional driver and he could lap within a few seconds of the top guys then just going to some school and doing some fun laps of car doesn’t mean squat. A normal dude just paying some money for a fun experience of a racecar around a track just so that he can get the experience and say he did it most likely wouldn’t even be getting near the limits to tell people how cars behave.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Here we go again, It`s like talking to a goldfish. I don`t care if the guy laps a wheelchair around the Nordschleife, he has more experience then you and therefore his opinions counts alot more then some guy driving a computer game with a toy wheel behind his monitor. Claiming to be a racing expert because he read some paper books.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Ummm that’s not talking down anyone. I am saying that any normal person as in not a professional racecar driver. That isn’t talking anyone down.

        Paper books? So if I go drive some rental formula car for some laps you will believe my oppinions more than hundreds and hundreds of paper books WRITTEN BY REAL PROFESSIONAL RACE CAR DRIVERS AND RACE CAR DRIVER ENGINEERS??

        So if you read a book and Fernando Alonso himself wrote something about car behavior then his opinion would count less to you than mine just because I spent a day or 2 in a rental formula car? Wow, wow, are you kidding me? Now you’re really just trying to say anything just for the sake of going against me. I mean thousands of pages of descriptions and explanations from real life professionals don’t matter because it’s in a paper book? Wow

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Yup i would believe them, because i would have the actual material in my hands. And i don`t have to read all the crap from a dude on a forum claimed to have read them all. Also, can you please write down the part where Alonso says that Assetto Corsa is bad? And please, get your fat fingers of the shift key, there is no need to go all mysweet16 on here.

      • F1Racer

        Put it this way, lets say I spend 3 days in a open wheel race car, lapping and lapping and lapping. Learning the track, the braking zones, where the bumps are, where the grip is, how much grip there is, which apexes I can clip and which ones to stay clear of, how to improve my own times from previous laps that are in my head and culminate all that experience after 3 days into how to achieve the quickest possible lap I can.

        Now… you get 3-5 books written by actual drivers of this car on car dynamics, physics etc. After you’ve read them all you strap yourself in alongside me who has only had 3 days real world experience.
        I guarantee you I am going to not only outbrake you in the first corner but I will leave you in the dust for the rest of the lap.

      • F1Racer

        It seems to really bother you what other people are enjoying. So the point where you again call AC pretty much an arcade game. You’re basically belittling everyone, including me, who likes AC as a sim even believing we’ve all the the wool pulled over our eyes.

        Does it bother you that AC has stolen some of rF2’s limelight ? Is that what all this bitterness is about ?

        You can’t be bringing that bitterness here. It’s not gonna fly.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        It’s not an arcade game. No way. It’s a semi-sim. More sim than not, infact much more than not, but with arcadeyness or over simplistic characteristics (probably to appeal to the mainstream more).

        The full sims aren’t perfect either and all have issues at times too, but none of the issues are ever arcadey or simplistic and videogamey feeling.

      • F1Racer

        Simply put I disagree with your opinion on AC. I think you’re totally wrong. You’ll find many will disagree with you too. Those with and without real world racing experience.

      • F1Racer

        Another derogatory comment. Keep it up, we both know where this is heading. You cannot go around bothering people like this.

  • Kendra Jacobs

    Stating an opinion of mine that unfortunately noone wants to admit to or at least even try to see, and voicing my frustrations towards a product thst I paid my good hard earned money for is trolling??? Are you kidding me???

    I was saying the kunos has totally gone towards a more widespread mainstream appeal and thst goes towards the physics as well and I cant believe how this game has been p3ogressing I physics as everything still is simcadey. I am not trolling.

    The F1 car is wayyyyyyy too boring to drive and you dont need to be an alien for a car to be alive and have corrections, even slow ameteur drivers need to make lots of corrections and do things properly, but not the F1 in AC. Unless you are super fast then the car just feels like a roadcar that lost a lot of weight. It drives so simple and boring like you are going for a sunday drive.

    This isnt trolling I am explaining my thouhts on ac and how kunos need to figure out what went wrong and maybe rehire the old netkarpro physice guy because netkar pro has true sim physics and assetto corsa has simcade physics.

    I also said thst codemasters and granturismo 6 f1 car in wayw are better than the Ac lotus because even though they arent true sims at least they are much more dynamic and alive than the ac F1 car, especially the 2013 codemasters version it does way more things and is way more alive and dynamic and wakes you up way more than the soft light weight roadcar experience of the F1 car.

    I am not trolling.

    • PΓ©ter KerΓ©nyi

      First of all AC has no F1 car. F1 cars have small weight, advanced aerodynamics. Drivers say they are similar to go-karts. They are not supposed to be super hard to drive, that’s why we rarely see huge mistakes. The hard thing is driving them on the limit.
      If you do a little research you can realize that the Exos actually has more grip than an F1 car, it’s a car designed for damn rich, but still normal non-alien people. Need I say more?

      • Anonymous

        I’d question the more grip thing, sir. It seems that it has quite a bit less grip. Jean Alesi said it has more downforce and is faster than a 90’s F1 car but the laptimes the T125 has done show it’s clearly slower than a current F1 car around both handling circuits and power circuits. It’s right around a GP2 car in terms of laptimes. The S1 car in the game has the power of an F1 car and the laptimes of a GP2 car which suggest less grip (which is evidenced by its handling characteristics).

        I’d love to drive it in real life but I’m built much like Jeremy Clarkson and we saw how well he fit into it. :/

      • PΓ©ter KerΓ©nyi

        Well, you know it’s hard to find a reference point in grip, because F1 changes every year. The point I wanted to make is the stock Exos having a larger grip to power ratio. Of course it will have smaller grip than a 2004 F1 beast, however it seems this year they will be struggling with grip. So yeah, I agree with you I should have been more specific… πŸ™‚

        Now I rewatched the TopGear video and Alesi says it has definitely more grip that “today’s” F1 cars.

        Nevertheless it’s a fun car to drive πŸ™‚

    • Markus Ott

      Just lol. You expectations about a F1 car are so far off reality.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Been watching f1 since mid 90s, every single race, I have full entire races with the entire race from onboard cams only thanks to the internet, I have read all the Speed Secrets books, Carl Lopez’s Going Faster, Drive to Win, Tune to Win. You are the one whos perceptions ane expectations are so far off from reality.

        Go read all those books, watch hundreds of hours of full onboard only races, then come talk to me. The pros make cars look way easier and less sensitive. Look at some qualy laps, the cars look simple and easy to drive, really you have no idea that they are on eggshells but you cant experience or see that from a camera so you think these things are way easier than they are.

        Please read all those books from the pros then come talk to me.

      • Markus Ott

        I have read some engineering books, but none of them even tried to tell me how it is to drive a race car.
        You are just one of those old sim racers who want to fight their wheel instead of accepting that AC and pCARS go a more realistic way of driving. Having grip and going wild only when you reach that peak. You should catch up with your believings, you are at least ten years of sim racing behind. Shouldn’t be a surprise you like iR and rF2. Games from yesterday.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Ya, did you also know that books about planets and galaxies don’t try to tell you what its like to drive a car?

        The Speed Secrets series of books, Carl Lopez’s Going Faster, Drive to Win and Tune to Win do, maybe try reading them.

      • jaka

        pCARC really?There are other equal or more important things in simulation than only grip level. If game has more grip, that doesn’t mean it’s better. pCARS will maybe be called simulation in future, if the team will hire people that have real knowledge in physics. And when that people will work hard a few years to make proper physics. As Any other serious commercial simulator developer show, how hard and how time consuming this process really is. Just by this fact, when any developer show product that work on it one year and say “we have simulator”, we know that this isn’t true. And when i even today in latest build(more than 2 years) try pCARS, this showing as a truth.

      • http://www.fb.com/isa.simuladores I S A Simuladores

        Sorry but, your point comparison is based on books and onboard videos????

        Try feel a real car in your hands!!

      • F1Racer

        Again with the request to read these books of yours ? Who’s going to pay for them ? Why don’t you arrange to mail them to these people then they can send them back when they’re done. Then we can all be experts at race driving eh ?

    • Jaimy Mewe

      You just suck at simracing, i am not trolling.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Now just posting to say I suck is clearly trolling. These are the posts tha should get warnings, take note virtualr this is what actual trolling is, a pointless rude and derogatory comment to another person.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        How does that make you feel?

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Lol get back on topic please, why are you taking things in a personal manner from me to you, if you have nothing sim related to say and just want to offend other ppl then take it somewhere else, this is no place for bullies, infact there is no place for bullies except for jail or hell.

      • F1Racer

        Look don’t react like this when clearly you have been provoking people.
        That comment you just made is worse than him telling you that you suck at sim-racing. Drop the drama queen act (and the religious overtones).

      • Kendra Jacobs

        I make one post about my thoughts on a newly released car and game that I paid my own money for, just one post, I get attacked from a million ppl, and I’m the drama queen? Come on.

        Replying just to tell someone they suck is bullying. I couldn’t care less but doesn’t mean other ppl would handle it so lightly, people shouldn’t be posting and only posting just to tell someone they suck, especially when it’s the only reason they posted and the only thing they said.

      • F1Racer

        Well I had a reply all written out for you then we had a damned power cut AGAIN ! It’s like living in a 3rd world round here sometimes. They just keep shoving another hamster in the wheel. Lets see how long this one lasts….

        Anyway… don’t take the comment too seriously, it wasn’t that bad in the grand scheme of what bullying actually is.

        I’ve been told I suck at sim-racing many times and compared to the aliens I do. Comments like that just roll right off my back. I’m thicker skinned than most I suppose plus I know I can retort back much worse without a direct insult if I need to πŸ™‚

        So I warned him about it and he apoligised. It may have sounded tongue in cheek but a warning is a warning.
        If someone starts to properly attack you personally I will sort it out, trust me.
        For your part you can maybe not be so provocative with your posts.
        I’d rather be told I suck at sim-racing from someone I don’t know or doesn’t affect my life than be told I’m a sim-racer with mainstream tastes who easily has the wool pulled over my eyes.
        AC is better than you give it credit for imo and it’s not fair to belittle those who have a different opinion than you do.

      • F1Racer

        Oh and you have never made any derogatory comments.

        You come to an AC thread where clearly pretty much everyone is enjoying the new car and you slag it off in a rant, and not only that, have it compared to rF2. Smart move.

        But I`ll warn him then just to make you feel better….. Jaimy, now you don’t actually know if he sucks or not so please don’t make any rash assumptions as it may cause upset.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Yes i am sorry, i will keep that fact for myself next time πŸ™‚

      • Kendra Jacobs

        You can assume that I may not be too quick. That is fine. But name calling and B. only posting just to name call with nothing else to say, you have to admit isn’t proper.

        When I post I always say why, how, or at least brief explanations. I don’t just say troll post with something like “You’re dumb” “You suck” “This is crap”.
        That’s blatant name calling and only posting to offend and bother someone, not to mention it was his only intention In real life that’s called bullying. People have even committed suicide over bullying, even virtual internet bullying.

        Completely different than ranting, while explaining, about a game and its disappointing gameplay.

        Huh???????????? I mentioned 3 times now, just on this page alone that my favorite sim is Netkar Pro. While I also love Game Stockcar, Iracing and rFactor 2. So why start making up some things about rFactor 2? I already asked someone else this.

        Also why do you only mention that I like rf2, but you don’t mention that I also say I like nkp, gsc, and ir? Why everytime it’s rf2 and only rf2 mentioned? What are you trying to imply or prove?

        FOR THE 4TH TIME ON THIS PAGE, MY FAVORITE SIM IS NETKAR PRO, NOT RFACTOR 2, BUT I ALSO LOVE GAME STOCKCAR, IRACING AND RFACTOR 2. I DON’T HATE ALL SIMS WHILE ONLY BEING SOME HARDCORE RFACTOR 2 FANBOY, ON THE CONTRARY, RFACTOR 2 ISN’T EVEN MY #1 FAVORITE SIM, NETKAR PRO IS, PLUS I ALSO LOVE GSC AND IR. SO STOP CONSTANTLY MAKING ME TO BE A 1 SIM ONLY FANBOY (AND EVERYONE ALWAYS CHOOSES RF2 FOR WHATEVER REASON). ON THE CONTRARY I LOVE 4 SIMS (GSC, RF2, IR AND NKP) WITH NKP BEING MY NO 1 FAVE.

        If ppl cant read that and still make things up and accuse me that I hate all sims except for being an rfactor 2 fanboy then they are clearly just making things up to go against me. On a separate note rf2 has some of the best physics and ffb around but that’s not the point.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        I can`t read that, too much caps lock action going on.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Well clearly people can’t read without caps lock either considering I’ve repeatedly said the same thing without caps lock.

      • F1Racer

        First jail or hell for bullies and now people committing suicide ?? I’m all for stamping out bullying but if you have any intentions of suicide because you were told by someone who wouldn’t even know, that you suck at sim-racing then you need to toughen up or sell your router because the internet will eat you alive.
        Anyway this is Assetto Corsa man not a counselling of therapy site so lets get it back there.

        I wasn’t assuming anything. Nor did he name-call. He questioned your sim-racing ability.
        If you are that sensitive to a comment like that, perhaps you should not be inviting those reactions or provoking people with your own style of insults.

    • Roger Wallentin

      I have driven a Formula car (not F1 level but still fast and with downforce) and the AC physics feels the most authentic and “hardcore” of any sim I have driven CM F1 2012-2014, rF1 mods, rF2 mods, FM, GT, iRacing, pCars, nKPro etc…

      Do you have any real life experience or are you just guessing when placing your criticism?

      • Kendra Jacobs

        So because you did some laps in a car you know it all?

        You were probably driving 15 seconds slower (lets say on a 1:30 lap) than a pro and extracting hardly any behavior out of the car except for maybe locking a brake at low speed or low speed wheelspin from hammering the gas on an exit. Not to mention in real life you think you are going way faster and pushing way harder than you are and you instantly and subconsciously adapt your inputs way more because of all the senses so lots of the times you don’t even realize just how much you are making tiny adjustments or hesitations in your pedals and wheel.

        Please read all these books from the pros, all the Speed Secrets books, Carl Lopez’s Going Faster, Drive to Win, Tune to Win. Then come talk to me.

      • Roger Wallentin

        LOL, so you criticize my driving without possibly having a clue of how I drive…

        That makes a clear statement about your criticism of AC physics, it lacks actual experience or facts.

        My point was that i most likely know more than you how of a Formula car handles since I’ve actually driven one.

        I also drive a lot of fast sports cars on a daily basis on track and the road to get a pretty good feeling about car balance and dynamics.

        This is a video of my driving (not a fast lap, just playing around)
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e999YJqDYvI

        Do you even have a drivers license?

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Just because you drove a car doesn’t mean you’r a pro. So far from that its not even funny. Unless you are a pro who does seasons of racing and laps decently quick than some fun experience of yours means nothing compared to tons of books written by racecar drivers explaining how cars handle, react, techniques etc etc.

        Maybe you didn’t read that part, WRITTEN BY RACECAR DRIVERS or engineers that work with drivers on the car handling. The books aren’t written from some sim racing guys or from someone like you that uses some fun track day experience to show authority over others and to tell everyone how it is supposed to be. REAL RACE CAR DRIVERS AND REAL RACE CAR DRIVER ENGINEERS. Do you not get that part?

        If Michael Schumacher himself explained some car handling things in a book would you just ignore it and not believe it, and just think your trackday experience was the answer to all so forget what a pro driver writes? Just because you read it on a piece of paper in a book? Wow I don’t even know what to say to that.

      • Roger Wallentin

        LOL, you should be a comedian

        Did any of the “real race car drivers” drive AC and comment on its physics?

        Its not Schumacher who is criticising AC physics in some book, its Kendra Jacobs 15 years old who has never even driven a real car…

      • Kendra Jacobs

        I am going criticizing based on thousands of pages of research and studying from books WRITTEN BY RACECAR DRIVERS AND RACECAR DRIVER ENGINEERS like all the Speed Secrets books, Carl Lopez’s Going Faster, Drive to Win, Tune to Win, also from 20 years of racecar driving watching, including tons of full races with onboard only and no commentary.

      • Roger Wallentin

        Ok, so no real experience then

        I think if you actually tried a real formula car you would appreciate AC’s handling more

      • Kendra Jacobs

        So you are dismissing the experience and basically what professionals themselves tell you? So it doesn’t matter what Jackie stewart, or Schumacher, or anyone tells you because they wrote their words down in a book? Ummmmmm OK?????? Lol wow if anyone is a troll and only posting to fight its you I mean look at what you’re saying lol.

        Yes thank you. I will keep reading and studying the words and explanations that these extremely experienced and talented REAL PROFESSIONAL RACECAR DRIVERS & ENGINEERS write. You know, the ones who do this for many years at some of the highest levels????

        When the words of people like Michael Schumacher, Jackie Stewart, Pierro Taruffo, Ross Bentley, Carroll Smith, etc mean absolutely nothing to a racer or simracer than I don’t think anyone could be more ignorant or conceited than that. I mean you’ve got to be kidding me.

        “Mr. Smith explains why corner entry is the most important phase of any corner. But it was his explanation of the corner exit technique that helped me the most. He delves into this subject more than any other book I’ve read. And he explains why it is so important to lap times. After tuning my car’s chassis to deliver the recommended exit attitude, I took the car to Texas World Speedway for a lapping session. As I exited turn two I nearly let go of the steering wheel and raised my fist into the air and yelled YAHOO! It was FAST! And you know it as soon as you hit it. You won’t need the stopwatch. If you’re not applying the principles in this book, you won’t beat anyone who is. My highest possible recommendation.”

        Quick review of Drive to Win from Amazon, but you’re a pro because you drove a rental formula car for a day or 2 so all these words on paper from all these pros mean nothing to you. Complete and total ignorance, unbelievable.

        I don’t care what sim you like or hate what you’re saying is just unbelievable.

      • F1Racer

        What you fail to grasp is that you can read all those books page to page with a photograpgic memory. Then you can be strapped into a Formula 1 car or some such beast and still either crash or kill yourself on the first lap.

      • Roger Wallentin

        I am dismissing them since none of them have driven AC and made a comment on its physics, simple as that.

        We only have your interpretation of what you read in books and your experience of AC which makes it a 100% Kendra based analysis and not the view of a professional racing driver.

        What exactly is it that Carl Lopez is writing that tells you the Lotus 125 is more “boring” than what it should be?

      • Kendra Jacobs

        You should read those books, go talk to instructors at race schools, go talk to pros or read what they write (books).

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Who the hell is Carl Lopez anyway? Never even heard of him and If i google that i get some Asian councilor. Not a good sign for a professional race car driver. On the other hand, he is a councilor, maybe you should start reading that guys books!

      • F1Racer

        Basically you claim to have read all these books and now you think you know enough to pass all your wealth of knowledge onto us clueless minions.
        You seem to have a book missing from that pile which I own.
        Ayrton Senna’s Principles of Race Driving. A rare and much sought after book for obvious reasons. Changing hands today at 3 figure sums.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Yup, been trying to buy that since about 2005. Good stuff man.

        No not passing knowledge to clueless minions, just describing how many other sims have the general similar idea to everything I have read and seen since mid 90s except ac as it seems to miss out on a lot of handling detail and fidelity, similar to a normal video game (non hardcore sims). As if there is nothing going on in the physics until you reach a certain point and then the game just says either understeer now or get snappy now. Almost like a scripted limits of grip system.

      • F1Racer

        Well I’m honestly not getting those experiences. Maybe its a controller/ffb thing. That certain point you mention sounds like what happens when you reach the cars limit and it’s going to go one way or the other.
        Up to that point, yeah I think it would not be that challenging.
        Trick is finding that limit then either managing to stay there as some of the top sim-racers seem to manage or stay just under it as I clearly do judging by my times.
        All the physics in all the sims are scripted. It’s called lines of code though.

      • F1Racer

        Reading books doesn’t make a pro either. In fact it gives you no real-world experience at all.

        Give me 20 top books on photography and, after I’ve read them all, put a pro camera in my hand for the first time. Am I now a professional photographer for having read the books ?
        Similarly, give me 20 books on how to fly a Boeing 727.
        Then sit me in the captains chair. Would you come along on that flight ?

        So you hand me a Formula car and a pile of racing books and ask me to pick one, guess which I’m going with…

      • Kendra Jacobs

        No I am not saying it will make you a pro. You’re wayyy misunderstanding.

        I am talking about all the descriptions and explanations in all those books about how cars behave, what they do, why they do it, when they do it, what to do to make them do things, not do things and on and on, all the subtle differences in input, how sensitive the cars can be to how you move your wheel or pedals even tiny degrees, and so on and so on. There is so much info about the dynamics and characteristics of racecars.

      • F1Racer

        There is but I`ll be there are top pro drivers out there who haven’t read a single one.
        Knowing it and having experienced it are two different things.
        Being told how sensitive a car is and actually feeling that for yourself… two different things.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t feed the troll, Roger. I’ve heard so much BS out of Kendra over the past 2 years it’s ridiculous. I think this person honestly believes that they can “see” physics and likes to believe that they have a deeper knowledge of it than pretty much anyone. The evidence is right there in your experience.

        You’ve driven a high-downforce Formula car around a race track and Kendra hasn’t. Yet, your real world experience doesn’t link up with Kendra’s world view of sims therefore it’s wrong.

      • F1Racer

        Tyre torturer !! πŸ™‚ Shoulda used a GoPro though.
        Cool car.

      • F1Racer

        “So because you did some laps in a car you know it all?”

        Well he’ll know more than you and be basing his thoughts on real experience instead of comparing it to his favourite sim.
        Unbelievable how condescending you are.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Nevermind, it`s like talking to a brick wall Roger.

    • Anonymous

      “kunos need to figure out what went wrong and maybe rehire the old
      netkarpro physice guy because netkar pro has true sim physics and
      assetto corsa has simcade physics”

      Funny thing is, the physics guy was and still is Stefano Casillo ahahah πŸ™‚
      So, you assume Stefano has become lazy and dumb all of a sudden?
      Lotus Exos 125 S1 ain’t a proper F1 after all. And last but not least, if you can’t drive a car properly, use the setup thingy and make the car behaving as you prefer and don’t forget the sim is still WIP. We will talk again when the V1.0 is out.

    • Anonymous

      Okay how about Drama Queen then?

    • Anonymous

      Okay how about Drama Queen then?

    • F1Racer

      So you find it boring. We don’t care and you don’t have to drive it.
      And you were trolling. There are ways to say things and you went the wrong way.
      Now instead of providing your own constructive thoughts you copy/paste someone elses. What is the point of that ?
      What you care complaining about with this car is a nonsense. For you it just doesn’t feel how YOU want it to and not necessarily how it actually drives.
      This is NOT a full blown F1 car. It’s a car a person can buy. I’m sure the virtual version is more boring than the real thing.
      Just that you think AC does not have sim physics shows simply that you just have a disdain for it and are more concerned with bashing it than being objective. The only reason imo that you would highlight that twice is to flamebait.

      The feelings you are describing are nothing to what I have experienced. Maybe I’m not doing it right, yes ? If you don’t like the car either move on or voice your concerns on the AC forum and maybe KS will respond and tell you that it’s more accurate than you think.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Can`t we just get rid of this person?

      • F1Racer

        Again ? I’m trying to give him every possible chance Jaimy. I’d rather not be issuing bans unless it’s really necessary. So far I don’t think it is.
        Debates are just fine (in fact I’d like to see more) and can be interesting and fun but only if people are posting in a constructive or mature manner. He has a different opinion but maybe isn’t the best person at getting that across to people without causing an upset.
        I think he just needs to express his opinion in a way that isn’t likely to start arguments or belittle people for having a different opinion.
        Lets see if he can finally take the hint.

      • Anonymous

        please dont ban or get rid of him, im trying now to work out his position and where it comes from, just give me time.

      • F1Racer

        Banning is getting rid of him. I didn’t plan to hire a hit-man. Besides Agent 47 would be way to arcade for Kendra πŸ™‚

        Don’t worry Kendra is ok for the moment. As long as he’s within the rules we’ll have to have him stick around πŸ™‚

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Thanks. Ya actually Hitman is too arcade for me. The only shooter game I can tolerate is ARMA.

      • F1Racer

        Arcade games are no sin. Be diverse and enjoy things for what they are. You can’t just make do with ARMA all the time surely.

      • Moose

        I hate to agree with Kendra, but when it comes to shooters only ArmA will suffice. (Well, a bit of DayZ as well… but thats based on ArmA as well :p)

      • F1Racer

        Yep it is good. Sometimes though you just wanna blast the crap out of people in a frenzy.

      • Moose

        You clearly have anger issues… πŸ˜€

      • F1Racer

        But I know how to channel it πŸ™‚

  • Kendra Jacobs

    I quote Smithaz

    “I drove the lotus f1 thing to a 1.44 aroung nurburg gp today, that may or may not be good enough in your opinion, but in mine it gave me a good enough understanding of the physics to think they are not the greatest.
    It is like the knife edge while cornering is really soft, it doesn’t react to your inputs very much, you either cross the limit (and get into an easily recoverable slide) or you don’t. I cannot dynamically control the car with the throttle around the corner, it doesn’t or barely react. Understeer is always prevalent even with 22 front wing 20 rear, it doesn’t really help turn in, only causes snaps on the exit when i reach highest 5% of revs, never really mid corner from bad throttle or steering inputs.

    AC, to me, doesn’t seem that dynamic, you either wheelspin or you dont, you slide or you don’t, it snaps or it doesn’t, the fine line / knife edge is very blurred and soft and isn’t very reactive.
    The fact is, AC does not punish bad technique, anybody can drive a high powered racing thoroughbred around a track even with bad technique and it looks like your driving well. In fact, when pushing the limits, it actively rewards bad practices in order to get faster times.
    I implore you, try the F1 car in rF2 and come back and compare the two, then you will learn about tyre temp and aero and pushing too hard.”

    THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

    Inbetween driving slow and loosing control there is such a huge lack of substance and physics characteristic going on. The car is not sensitive to anything, there is no movement, no liveliness, nothing happening when you make real small pedal or steering changes, there is just no life in the physics. You just keep pushing with any kind of bad or good technique until the car either plows or gets snappy. There is no fine balancing with your pedals or wheel and all the small things that differ from driver to driver. Its just drive the car hard with little concern for your inputs until the car either gets weird and snappy or just plows. There is no fine control and detail, there is no playing with the car, playing with the nose on the turning in, adjusting the rear end with your pedals as you are about to hit the apex, controlled mini drifts. There is no substance, no detail, its simple simcade with some snapyness and understeering just to keep people from saying its arcade.

    The cars also rotate really weird, the the rotation point of the car is in the wrong place, sort of like a bad rfactor 1 mod. Netka pro never had this, not even in its very first beta version.

    • Jaimy Mewe

      Congratulations, you can copy/paste. What does this add to the discussion? I can go around and quote real race car drivers who say AC is very very close to the real thing, but what do i gain out of it, and more importantly, what did you gain out of this? People can read you know…

    • GamerMuscle

      Strange because AC for most (argument from popularity ;)) is literally the complete opposite to what you are saying and personally that’s how I feel about AC as well.

      If anything the one thing everyone is going mental over AC and why people also love Game stock car or especially cars like the Skip barber in iracing when it first came out, is because these cars and games are the most dynamic.

      Most real cars have subtle grip verances and in fact don’t have a wall like fall off of grip on the limit as found with many cars in RF1 and i racing or older simulators.

      I like to think real race drivers are balancing on the limit not avoiding it like the plague.

      Sure a real car might have a sharp and aggressive fall off and in some cars and cases, real cars certainly can be unforgiving ! but generally not in the way we have typically seen in older simulators or some specific simcars.

      You ever wonder why people can take a GP2 car on a hill climb track ?
      or how people power out of corners in real life easily controlling the car with rear wheel spin , despite the g forces noise and often hard steering torque ?

      It seems to me you have set your expectations based on RF1 style physics , which means as all the simulators get more and more realistic you will dislike them more and more as they will have a less defined solid wall to learn and more subtle variances in grip and car movements.

      Most of the notable changes in RF2 stock content over RF1 is that the cars simply have more depth and character to them around the limit , though I still personally feel allot of RF2 content is somewhat robotic feeling to drive.

      One of the main reasons AC and game stock car prove so addictive to drive for many is because you cannot simply learn the grip limit within 10 laps like you can with some sim cars , its far more subtle than that.

      That’s not to say AC is perfect I think we are some way off from that with all the simulators and everyone is going to need a servo wheel for a start.

      Can you maybe upload a video of you doing a lap in AC It would be interesting to see how you drive.

      • F1Racer

        Nice. A well balanced post of your opinion without getting anyone’s back up (well probably almost anyone).
        It might be right, it might be wrong but at least it’s one of those posts than can invite a similarly dignified response.

        Take note Kendra, if you can write like this you’d have less arguing to do and maybe people wouldn’t feel the need to snipe back at you – unless it’s just the attention your craving.
        Seriously man calm it down and just try to say what you want in a more diplomatic and thought out way instead of simcade this and simcade that. A totally silly word if I ever saw one. I’d be embarrassed to use that in a post because I can always think of better ways to be descriptive.
        I don’t care if you don’t like AC, I don’t think many people do care. That’s your loss imo. But if you’re going to criticise it at least do it in a way where we can properly debate it without all the drama.

        Imagine how you would feel if a person with a similar character jumped in on an rF2 or nkpro (or GSC2013 or iRacing) topic and posted like you have been. You’d be the first one to jump on them I bet telling them they don’t know what they’re talking about etc.

    • Roger Wallentin

      My view based on my real-life experience and other sims is exactly the opposite

      AC offer the most dynamic and highest fidelity physics and chassie feeling of any sim so far, nKPRO offered very similar feel as well. Some details of the physics and tire model feedback I have only experienced in real life before.

    • F1Racer

      This is just another rf2 is better than AC rant. Right up your street.
      It’s wrong in so many areas I dunno where to start.
      “It doesn’t punish bad technique” Really ? Have you seen my laptimes ? πŸ™‚
      I get punished. If I didn’t I`d be right up there with the top times as would everyone.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        This is the 5th time LOL Netkar Pro is my favorite sim not rfactor 2. And along with rfactor 2 I also love game stockcar and iracing.

        F1Racer I have mentioned that kunos should rehire the nkp physics guy and i never even mentioned rf2 except in someone elses quote. Yet in every post of YOURS its just rf2 this rf2 that, Kendra and rf2, Kendra and rf2. Why don’t you ever say Kendra and Netkar Pro? Kendra and nk pro? Or Kendra and gsc? Why not? Is it because thoat wouldn’t fly in making me look bad because they’re less controversial and one is done by Kunos? Clearly you have some agenda and some intention in trying to imply something of me and place a certain image of me to others.

        6th time. Netkar pro is my fav sim, while i also love 3 others, iracing, game stockcar and rfactor 2.

        Keep going on about how I’m apparently some rf2 fanboy that only talks about rf2 and only plays rf2, no idea what the point of it is (you’re clearly trying to imply something that you’ve made up in your head about me and being some rf2 fanboy while hating all other sims.)

        7th time now. I love nkpro, and not only is rfactor 2 not my favorite sim but nk pro is, but i also love gsc and ir.

      • Gonzalo Rodriguez Sastre

        you have very good taste, but in my opinion AC is better than what you say of it.
        maybe kunos disappointed you because you expect more of AC, but is not as bad as you said.

        let the modders do the work, i think it could have the best modding engine of all games , is NKpro but moddable mate!! , think about that,

        i really need the modding tools.

        Regards,

      • F1Racer

        Yes your preferences are well known.
        I only mention rF2 because it is a current sim and more of a competitor for AC than nkpro is. Also because I’m sure you yourself have made comparisions with rF2.
        nkpro as good as it is, is not on people lips these days.
        So rF2 is far more relevant imo despite both AC and nkpro being coded by the same team.

        It is still true to say that you prefer rF2 over AC and to my statement stands.

      • Anonymous

        “I have mentioned that kunos should rehire the nkp physics guy”

        Stefano and the netKar Pro team never left Kunos…

    • Anonymous

      Kendra.
      Please tell me what lap times you have achieved, with the T125 (and state which version, the standard or S1, as they are very different), and on what track?

      I will then post a video of me driving the same car, at the same track, I will try and achieve the same or better lap time, and we can see how much correction or lack of correction im having to make, how involved or uninvolved it is, etc.

      personally after having played the S1 version, i start to feel my arms after about 10 laps, and i find it hard work to drive it on the edge, so i really do not understand how you are coming to these conclusions.

      Please help me understand how you are coming to these conclusions, starting with the questions ive asked above. Thanks.

      • GamerMuscle

        This is the thing , I actually quite like to entertain other peoples ideas and see why they perceive a given thing so different , even if they are right or wrong its certainly interesting to see why a person can come to such a different conclusion.

        It would certainly help to know lap times or have a video to see why Kendra is seeing things so different.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        We have been asking this for quite a while now. But the fact is that Kendra never ever has responded with laptimes or a video. Probably due to the fact that he doesn`t even own AC, or the fact that he just knows he`s not fast enough.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        I did respond to laptimes it was about the lotus elise at magione. Cant remember which build version it was but I did.

        Everytime I try to make a video the quality is either total crap or it’s good but 2 minutes of driving is like entire gigabytes and gigabytes of data. If someone can tell me exacty which boxes to tick and untick in dxtory settings to get good quality in a small uploadable size, like your average 720p or 1080p youtube video then ill be glad to make a video within the next couple of days.

      • GamerMuscle

        If you have an Nvidea graphics card you should use shadow play its incredible !

      • Jaimy Mewe

        How does that work? I heard of it, but never really took a look. I have a 780, is is similair to fraps? Just click & record?

      • GamerMuscle
      • F1Racer

        It can do that and also remember up to the last 20mins of game you played even if you weren’t recording at the time. Have a big temp folder ready πŸ™‚
        So if you do a great lap, you can hit a key and it will save the one you just did. V.cool.

      • F1Racer

        Shadowplay question: What program do you use to squash the resultant mp4’s down to a manageable size for YT ?

        Once I have a good system worked out I might be able to stop using FRAPS which btw is great.

      • GamerMuscle

        I just go all in and upload 2GB files , for pure video conversion best free app I like is handbrake.

        WMV I find is the best format for file size V quality , for pure quality I just use MP4 and fiddle with the general settings.

      • F1Racer

        Wow you actually upload the 2Gb files !! Cheesus on a cracker, what upload b/width do you have ?

        Yeah I have Handbrake. I think that’s a pretty neat app. Unfortunately VirtualDub won’t take mp4 which is why I use FRAPS.
        Thanks for the tips though, I`ll play around with those.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t wanna brag (actually I do want lol) but I for instance have 200mbit down& 200mbit upload unlimited connection. For 20euro/month. So for me even uploading 100GB is no problem IF the server is fast enough, the limiting factor today is often youtube’s download not users upload.

        The point is it’s about luck, if you live near to a good provider who. If I lived in a village 10 km from my flat I’d be happy to have 20mbit download and maybe 4mbit upload (for twice the price), but some of us are lucky :p

      • F1Racer

        Amazing. We get 20Mbit down and 1Mb up and pay around Β£80 a month or that. It’s crazy by comparison.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah it is. Even crazier is that in some parts of the world 56kbit modem is still the only option. 3600x slower connection than mine.

      • Hanzales

        I’ve uploaded 20GB file (avi) direclty from AC replay and it looked terrible with stuttering (dunno why) Then I used ordinary movie maker with upload button, video were converted before upload and the result was much better, Still any advices would be fine as the original video is much crisper and smoother (recorded to 29.7 fps) because of fraps.
        http://youtu.be/JE7ajYDPs0E

      • Anonymous

        okay. We do not need a video of you driving or any video of any replay. Just use the RSR live timing app.

        If you do want to record, then:
        1. do you have a video camera? or some kind of camera with the ability to record video? if so do what i did in my video, just set it up on a tripod and film the screen.

        2. if you dont have a video camera/tripod, all you have to do is record the replay. You don’t have to record live whilst driving. If you have an nvidia graphics card, use shadow play (i think you need a 6 series card or higher though).
        Or, use fraps.

        If you can’t do either of these things………theres RSR live timing app – which will automatically upload your time to the database….why dont you just use that? call yourself Kendra Jacobs and a number in brackets that only you reveal to us (just incase theres an imposter that wants to slander you for whatever reason).

        Set your time, make sure RSR live timing app is on, then tell us your time on here and we can see it on the database…….

        problem solved?
        we don’t need to see you driving, or your replay – i want to know your laptime, so then i will record myself driving to your laptime, to see how much effort it takes and how much steering wheel movements and pedal inputs im having to make, to achieve your laptime.

        This will help me understand where you’re coming from, hopefully.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        I can record live video then alt tab and write im Kendra or something. I have no camera except an older one that’s a hassle to get all onto a pc and upload, convert, encode, yadda yadda. Kendra is my gfs email, its not even my name just the first time i posted I didn’t realize my computer was logged in to her account and since then it just stuck, im a male lol.

        I will use dxtory? Is that good? I heard its one of the best but I need someone to tell me settings as the video is either always crap or it’s good but some insanely huge file of gigabytes.

        Don’t want to use rsr app as I’m obviously hated here lol and don’t want people knowing my real first and last name. They know my gf’s though lol. And I don’t want to download any apps until the game and the apps themselves mature more. Just a clean base install for now.

        If you see any imposters doing this than just simply msg me on here and ill tell you if its me or not, but i doubt anyone hates me that much to put time into doing that just to make me look bad, but i bet some are pretty close to that point lol

        running an R9 270X so no shadowplay.

      • Anonymous

        ………………….you can use whatever name you want in the RSR live app………..hence why i’m called ‘pastor ted haggard’ in it (though that is my name in real life, im proud of my christian roots)

        the app is mature enough, its been out for a long time and works perfectly.

        i dont know what the problem is. Im genuinly trying to understand where you’re coming from, i therefore need to know your laptime. It would be so easy for you to post it via RSR timing. You can create whatever name you want.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Hey Past, haven’t turned my computer on since the big discussion sunday? Ill be downloading bandicam and figuring outrecordingg

      • Deatroy

        Download Bandicam, its “free”.
        Record your lap, save the lap from replay or record live.
        Then you need a video converter, cuz avi. movies are huge.
        Convert your video to Full HD MP4 format, for 3 min. you get around 120mb and upload to youtube.
        Then they the discussion will be hopefully stopped.

      • F1Racer

        You should read some books on how to make great YouTube videos.

      • Anonymous

        I did an actual spit take when reading this!

      • Anonymous

        If you have a digital camera and a tripod to use that would be best since FR drop does not come into play over captured video performance.

    • Anonymous

      Couldn’t agree less. First, this isn’t an F1 car. Notice how the top times are more than 10 seconds off the pace of a real F1 car around this circuit. Stop comparing it to rF2’s F1 car because it’s not the same thing.

      As far as all your “I can’t see the physics” gob, if you don’t like it don’t play it. The subtleties of driving this thing are extraordinary. If you’re getting understeer you’re driving it wrong. If it’s not responding then you’re driving it wrong. This thing can bite you in a lot of ways.

      Harder does not equal better or more realistic. You’ve been playing rF2 too much.

    • Chris D

      You and the person you are quoting are 8 seconds off the record time and we are supposed to take your opinion on the physics seriously? Watch a top lap time and tell me there isnt playing with the car controlled mini drifts and all that fun stuff.

  • Anonymous

    So, now that *some people* have started to come in just to bash what they have no direct knowledge of, let’s take a look at a real onboard:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsWC-DP9vnA

    This is the GP2 Qualifying session from this past season. They are pretty much right there in terms of lap times. However, it seems that this Lotus T125 S1 has more power by a good 125HP and also less downforce.

    What I see is no drama from the GP2 cars, no sawing at the wheel or tail sliding. I see cars in control and smooth driver inputs. It takes the same from the T125 in AC except a bit more effort because there’s simply less grip.

    Exactly in line with what I’d expect. I don’t get the uproar from, let’s face it, our resident physics expert…

    • Jaimy Mewe

      These people don`t have a clue what they`re doing! They didn`t read Carl Lopez`s books! And clearly the physics in this video are poor, RF2 is way better.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Actually it is, so is iracing, so is game stockcar, and so is netkar pro.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Yes, pixels on a screen must be far better then the real life cars. What drugs did you take? And can i have some?

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Obviously I didn’t mean real life, but ac. LOL
        My drugs? My drugs are playing nkp, rf2, ir, rbr, and gsc. The best kind around.

      • F1Racer

        “My drugs? My drugs are playing nkp, rf2, ir, rbr, and gsc. The best kind around.”

        See now thats a good answer !

        …and at least now we know you’re high πŸ™‚

      • F1Racer
    • Anonymous

      This is made by Codemasters isn’t it? Nice arcade but not a sim.

    • F1Racer

      A friend of mine is an ex GP2 driver. He was sponsored by the company I worked for. He’s been at my place too to practice on rF1 to learn Imola for the following weekend as he was racing there. He only had about 5-6 laps on it and already he was outbraking me in some of the corners.
      10-15 laps in he was a bit quicker than me. Grrr πŸ™‚ Good fun.

    • Smithaz

      What you can’t see is the drivers throttle inputs, in AC the throttle doesn’t matter so much, to go faster you are better to just go full straight away, it doesn’t force you to be smooth with the throttle like other games. This is what I am talking about when I say the limit is too soft, you can push all the way into the nice soft limit with heavy throttle.
      Also look at the drivers lines in the video from onboard, it shows Daniel Abt a few times, that guy is not a top GP2 driver, he makes mistakes as we do in sim racing so it is better to compare with him. He is taking very deliberate lines and being very precise, I can bet with the throttle as well, in AC this is not how it feels for me, like I keep saying it is all soft, steering as well as throttle, brakes are very good and usually very little drama.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Dno, but if i hammer the throttle in 1st or 2nd gear in the Exos i`m doing a 180…

      • Smithaz

        It’s either that or it hooks up like your on an aircraft catapult, with not much in between.
        By which I mean there is no progressiveness to the throttle inputs, 50% throttle feels like 10%, you don’t gain much from applying it smoothly so it is better to just slam it down to full throttle immediately.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        I can drift it at corner exits? Maybe you have traction control on by accident? It`s not like i can intentionally drift it like a road car, but if it happens that the back steps out and i want to maintain that slide angle, i have no problem doing so. And no, i am not a technician and i cannot explain to you how and why. I did not read the Carl Lopez books…

      • Shaddix

        and we got 100% of grip atm, so when dynamic road is added, we can even more do 180s πŸ˜€

      • Anonymous

        If I nail the throttle going around a corner in 1st or 2nd I spin immediately. It takes very precise throttle inputs to start in the beginning of the race as well at least until you’re into 3rd with some aero benefit.

        Show me a video where you go through Nurburgring GP chicane and nail the throttle before straightening out.

      • Smithaz

        Since you asked. Here are two videos, one of AC and the other rF2. I feel that if you watch closely enough it illustrates my point that AC is very vague an its response to inputs in a way that reminds me of GT5, whereas rF2 is very precise and accurate, I have to steer and drive the car around the track not just hammer it.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IptTDpJtQk

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2KiIJijCdc

      • Anonymous

        They look nearly identical. Both show slower than ideal laps due to poor driving styles (for the purposes of the example). I would say that the Assetto Corsa car gets far more out of shape and that’s still with you not nailing it but rather just getting onto power in a not smooth way.

        If you want the car to be more nervous go ahead, I’m sure you could do so. Personally, I’ve softened the suspension to the lowest setting and decreased front ARB considerably. I like a car with neutral handling and more grip than turn-in ability. It feels excellent now.

        I had to do the same in netKar Pro and the MDCBox program that most people use does the same.

      • Anonymous

        your AC video is a joke – no wonder you think its awful, because you are a terrible driver. lol. The way you’re driving it makes me think you were drunk when playing it. Thank you so much for posting it because it confirms a lot of my suspicions about why the ‘haterz’ of AC are saying the things they say.

        Whats funny is, the way you’re driving it, is exactly how you have to drive RF2 to gain a good laptime,by being really robotic, driving in a very linear manner, applying the throttle and brake and steering at certain points, rather than being progressive and constantly adjusting all inputs.

        No wonder your conclusions are all completely out of whack with mine and most other peoples. You’re also reacting way way too late to what the car is doing – probably another reason why you think its ‘soft’ or not ‘precise’ – which i cannot understand – because AC gives way more information about what the car is actually doing than RF2.
        Please tell me what wheel you are using?

        Here is the video i posted from below…………and it was literally my first ever time trying the car. (this was the slower version, i didnt even know there was an upgraded version) I will post a similar vid of me driving the f1 car tomorrow if i get a chance.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmkwL3LNL3Y

      • Smithaz

        I’m afraid you are out of line there, try to be specific and constructive if you are going to be insulting. This is almost my first time driving the entire game and actually my first time in the upgraded car. I am pushing to and beyond the limit as a better comparison between the two games. I was going to clarify these things before posting the video but thought people would see around it, evidently not.
        I believe that all these things you are feeling and reacting to are just for show, you are thinking wow this is amazing catching all these slides etc. but they do not need correcting, it will come back on its own anyway. I felt that some of the things I reacted to (late perhaps), did not need it and actually slowed me down because of it.
        I’m using a T500 btw. You should make a video driving in rF2 as well.

      • Anonymous

        i wasn’t being insulting, they were facts. Theres nothing wrong in being slow or a bad driver, don’t take it personally.

        im not going to make a video in rf2 because i deleted it a month ago, though I will say that i’m quick in any sim, and driving rf2 quickly is a far easier task than in AC, mainly because all you have to do is find the game limits and stick to it, and not allow for any rear wheelspin coming out of corners.

        Well the T500 is part of your problem, its belt driven, and though more powerful than a G25, its slower to react in oscillations left and right, which probably explains why you’re swaying left and right or not being precise enough with your corrections.

        if you dont believe me, google ‘skeijmel graphs’ for proof. The only wheel thats as quick to react to oscillations in ffb signals is the CSW with f1 wheel (its performance dramatically decreases with the heavier bmw gt2 rim).

        ‘they do not need correcting, it will come back on its own anyway’.

        ‘are just for show’……..no…….if i didnt react to the information im getting through my ffb…..the car would either spin, or i’d understeer off. ITs precisely this degree of variability around and over the grip limits which makes AC in a different league to any other sim.

        ‘i felt that some of the things i reacted to, did not need it’.

        so…………why did you react to it then. IT makes no sense, what you’re saying. You felt something in the game, you reacted to it, now you’re saying in hindsight you didn’t need to react to it? Okay, do another video with you driving how you want and see what happens. Heres a video of me driving in real life. AC allows me to drive like in real life, RF2 does not. To be honest, i dont even care – if you like RF2 and dont like AC, fine. But you’re making an objective argument about AC which you think is true, and looking at the evidence i dont think it is true. However it seems like people are always going to be in 2 different camps about AC, so theres no point even trying to argue anymore. Its like talking to a religious fundamentalist. Praise the Lord!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=his6nXTkBYA

      • Smithaz

        Perhaps I am a terrible driver, although I am one of a handful of the very fastest online in rF2 so I think it’s unlikely. As I said I’m not used to AC so make mistakes where a veteran would know/feel how to react.
        If you are referring to those f-wheel graphs, they are skewed due to the momentum of the wheel rim, as you say the heavier rims fare worse. Anyway I take them with a pinch of salt considering the source and all, seriously, do not believe all you hear about the CSW, I hear it is considerably weaker than the T500 and suffers a large deadzone.
        Regarding my comments on not needing to react etc. it’s because it seems to me like AC has an unholy amount of grip and its really hard to lose grip and it regains it very quickly, like a magnet or something, so not reacting with the steering and just keeping the throttle planted would be beneficial in certain situations which I cannot feel just yet as I haven’t done enough laps. There is no micro sliding in AC, just big vicious losing and regaining of grip. These are some of the reasons for why I doubt AC is all that hardcore as a sim.
        Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t written it off completely, after reading your response I shall be trying again tonight after work to see what I think when I have more of a feel for it, but I have my doubts. You have any suggested laptimes I can aim for (in the Lotus, either spec)?

      • Moose

        “You have any suggested laptimes I can aim for (in the Lotus, either spec)?”

        1.36’s in the stage [email protected] Nurburgring

      • Smithaz

        1.40.0 with default setup was the best I got. I still have my doubts about the game, I’ll wait and see how the multiplayer is when it comes out.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t know if you are trolling or what… with all respect your driving in that video is pure garbage. I don’t know how you can judge Smithaz’s video.

  • Anonymous

    Well it seems that my call for make love not war didn’t last long..Even my honest and peacefull comment gets a rant from somebody who thinks being right is the only thing that matters even when others think he/she is wrong …I do not have to say who that is. Hint: begins with a Ken and ends with a dra.

  • GamerMuscle
    • Anonymous

      Best ever comment on virtualr.net!

    • Jaimy Mewe
    • Anonymous

      LOL! Hands down for that, Sir!

    • Anonymous

      Honestly some of these two way arguments in here are perfect for a “dramatic reading/reconstruction” video. I will recommend it as a script.

    • F1Racer

      ROFL, that’s great. The left hand side bit is worrying but at least one of the cartoon guys is actually wearing a tie !

    • Gerardo

      ROLF!!!!!

  • Jos

    this car is a real bitch through the chicane, any setup tips?

    • F1Racer

      We may know someone who can help…….

      Just having a little joke KJ πŸ™‚

      • Roger Wallentin

        There is a book from this guy Carl Lopez…

      • F1Racer

        I know I shouldn’t be laughing but I can’t help myself πŸ™‚
        Unless you read the thread that comment won’t make any sense.

      • Jaimy Mewe

        Legend says that if you read it, you will gain ridicilous simracing skills…

    • Anonymous

      Be very smooth, don’t run the curbs and stay in 3rd.

  • Anonymous

    I took a list of cars for test drives to see if the Lotus 125 is in fact in a league by itself. So here is the list of cars I drove AC Lotus 125 GP2
    FVA-Ferrari’s
    ISI’s-Superleague Formula stand alone and rf1 mod
    F1-S-R GP2
    ISI’s F2 and F Renault rf2
    SMS’ FB
    Yes I will put the L 125 on the top of this list due to the fact you can make car adjustments and the fact the FVA Ferrari’s are technically not the same class but maybe best overall. Next I put the rF1 based class 2 openwheelers SLF, and F1-S-R’s GP2 followed by rF2’s F Renault and F2 with the FB at the bottom and stands out from the list but also is not complete.
    But all are in the same league

  • Gorka Barron
  • Aaron Carlisle

    This is hilarious. I can’t believe that this Kendra Jacobs fool has the balls to argue with people who have real world open wheel experience… when his only experience is reading books. Oh man, there goes my laugh for the day. So if a sim racer is given 3 full days of testing at a track in a GP2 car to learn braking points, bumps, apex’s, etc… and you’re given 3 full days of reading to prepare. Do you HONESTLY believe that your book reading would give you any edge over the person w/ real world experience? If so, then you’re clearly trolling, or… you have mental problems.

    • F1Racer

      My work is cut out for me today.
      Aaron, you can’t be insinuating that people have mental problems or calling them fools.
      I dunno if you read one of my posts below but it’s pretty much a mirror of what you said about the 3 days thing.
      I think we need to settle down now and focus on racing. I’ve lost some intended track time today just from being here.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        Well there’s your problem right there….wanting track time when you really should be reading if you want to get faster.

        I knew when I saw the thread jumped from under a hundred posts to damn near three hundred in a couple hours that either Kendra or Ted had to be involved.

      • F1Racer

        Yep. But at least they provide some debate. It’s a shame it has to be at the expense of belittling others and their opinions.

      • Smithaz

        Now you lot are being silly now, belittling kendra over a false premise that you are putting on him. Nobody believes that reading is better than track time. Although they may take anything a so called real life racer says with a large pinch of salt.

    • Kendra Jacobs

      Any regular person is not going to be balancing a car on the limits like a pro when they step into a racing car for the first time I their life. The performance envelope and the skill is so huge. But when you read or hear the detailed explanations and analysations of how cars behave from real pro formula 1 and Indycar drivers then how could you go against those words and side with just any regular guy’s words whos stepped In to a racecar for some 3 day experience of a lifetime thing. If thats not ignorance than I dont know what is.

  • Michael Hornbuckle

    LOL….From Aris on twitter: AristotelisVasilakos ‏@Aristotelis 6m

    I didn’t know… I didn’t know… forgive me… #virtualr #simcade pic.twitter.com/Vtn4il8jyX

    • F1Racer

      Oh my…. HAHAHA…. I think even Kendra would have to have a giggle at that. πŸ™‚
      Hats off to Aris for his sense of humour.

    • Moose

      Best. Tweet. Ever.

    • furiousgibbon

      I wondered how this article had amassed another 200 comments since I last checked yesterday. My neck is sore from shaking my head as I scrolled through this garbage. I vote for a ban, it’s entertaining but it’s also utterly ridiculous and I don’t think this sort of pathetic discussion is worth any of our time. If only I’d known reading books was a better learning tool than actually driving my car on a track…

  • sketchyterry

    Literally no idea whats going on with the big argument about simcade or whatever nonsense happened in the comments. I just came here to say WOW!

    I have to admit to having only driven the T125 S1 (i know ill get to the standard version soon) but that thing is incredible! I’ve only driven F1 cars in rFactor and the codemasters F1 series but this thing is amazing. I just adore the way you need to get your tire temps up before really going for it. Just amazing!

    Amusing tidbit: My flatmate had a go, now he doesn’t play sim racing games at all and doesn’t use a wheel either (tends to play F1 2013 with xbox controller) but he had a go none the less. To my slight amusement he struggled loads with the S1 car, he kept trying to built up speed to get the heat into the tyres but couldn’t do it due to spinning out every other corner. Now while I found it amusing it made the point to myself that it’s not easy to drive these cars. We presumably all play sims here reasonably regularly and many of us for many years. You have had lots of practice! Thats why you can jump into these cars and reasonably quickly set okay to decent lap times. That with the fear/physical factor of real life removed means you can get quick times quickly.

    Try getting a friend who doesn’t play these games to have a go. Put them in something hard straight away if you want, like the T125 S1 and watch them struggle simply because of the lack of experience/practice. (Should point out this wasn’t the first time he played, he has probably played a total of a couple of hours in other cars previously, including the Formula Abarth which he drove fine (ish))

    • Anonymous

      “We presumably all play sims here reasonably regularly and many of us for
      many years. You have had lots of practice! Thats why you can jump into
      these cars and reasonably quickly set okay to decent lap times. That
      with the fear/physical factor of real life removed means you can get
      quick times quickly.”

      This is something that is lost on so many sim racers. They forget that they do know how to drive these cars. In real life, if they were on a circuit like Paul Ricard with massive amounts of runoff and didn’t have to worry about the price of the car, they could set decent lap times. This has been shown by gamers turned real racers (some not even SIMS!) that have turned out to be very fast in real life.

      When you consider we can just hit start and nail it we see quickly where the limit is. No physical issues, money or crashes to deal with it’s easy to get where we get.

  • Anonymous

    If I may analyse Kendra’s constant ranting about AC beeing simcade below (and everwere else were he/she posts), constantly praising rF2’s physics. I give you that rF2 feels more exciting given that everything happens whithin a range of 10% of your inputs. I admit that rF2:s knife edge tyre model is more heart pounding, iR’s too, because you’re somewhat holding on for dear life. However the claim that AC physics is dumbed down to make us feel like better racers is just absurd. If there is one sim where I feel like a better driver than I am, it’s rF2. Just point the front where you want to go and correct oversteer while powersliding though corners like a rockstar! Same with iR to some extent. In AC however i feel exactly like the no talent ass clown I am when racing in real life, pushing to hard, messing up weight transfer and understeering through corners and out in the woods. This is exactly my experience racing/driving road cars, NOT cars that start to rotate as soon as you enter a corner. *cough iRmiyata cough* I admit oversteer is pure sex, compared to understeer but, just like sex, in real life you have to work for it.

    • GamerMuscle

      “just like sex, in real life you have to work for it.”

      Haven’t you told the ladies that your a simracer ? Normally by the the time I start talking about tire models the women are naked.

      • Anonymous

        “It’s all about the slip angle baby, if we push hard enough, we’ll plow right through that grass…”

      • GamerMuscle

        Well you just have to stick it up on the inside, that’s always the best way to a climactic finish.

    • Kendra Jacobs

      Ive said it like at least 5 or 6 times on this page that netkar pro is my fav sim not rf2 but that I also love rf2 ir and gsc. Stop making me out to be some hate all sims except for rf2 fanboy. Just making stuff up as a way of trying to say something anything against me. A lot of ppl on here are the type that start rumours and twist all the stories around just to make others look way worse. I agree its sometimes a little too easy to get the rear rotating in rf2 I never said it was perfect.

      • Anonymous

        Fair enough. I apologize.

  • Manuel Riger

    How can i change the steering lock in AC ? And why is there not speedlimiter button and not engine button ?

    • MrMaki

      As far as I know there is no way to change the steering lock at the moment. Steering lock is fixed for each car. You can only change the turning angel of your wheel in the settings.

      • Kendra Jacobs

        It keeps the right steering ratio for the car ur using u just tell the game the lock of ur real life wheel, whats the problem?

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