Autosimsport has the scoop on Simbin’s newest PC simulation as Henrik Roos recently revealed that the Swedish studio is working on another WTCC-based title.
Using ISI’s trusted gMotor engine, the game will offer cars and tracks from the World Touring Car Championship plus more American cars and tracks to please the United States publisher.
It’s still unknown if this is the much discussed “Project Toad”. If it is, the title will also be released as addon to GTR Evolution and STCC – The Game. The source article also reveals plans of Simbin starting to publish titles in 2009, helping small developers getting started.
Update: Unlike stated stated in the ASS news and quoted by me, Henrik Roos or Simbin have never confirmed that the new title will include content based on the 2009 WTCC season. Seems like something was lost in translation, we still have to wait for more info on the game’s planned content.
Via Autosimsport
Floptickle
March 6th, 2009 at 20:25
NICE! And no, I don’t care if its on the gmotor or not. The sh*t works, and I’m looking forward to racing the Cruze and laughing at the Ladas :P
LensFlare
March 6th, 2009 at 20:31
The source:
http://it24.idg.se/2.2275/1.214860/succ%E9-for-simbim
It never says it’s going to be 2009 season…
Montoya
March 6th, 2009 at 20:35
Are you sure?
Sadly I don’t speak any Swedish but a sim called WTCC 09 having no 2009 season cars would be a little odd, right?
LensFlare
March 6th, 2009 at 20:38
Well, 2009 is universal language :)
Search for 2009 in the source interview…
I guess Autosimsport made the game name up :)
LensFlare
March 6th, 2009 at 20:39
Here’s the google translation:
We have a new WTCC game and again, for this season. It is based on our old game engine. This year’s novelty is that we have with a little more American tracks and a little more American muscle cars. It was a wish from our American publisher, so it is a little flirt with the market. But the U.S. is difficult, it is difficult to sell racingspel there if they do not run on tracks just go around, around, around.
This year will also Simbin step out and becomes publisher for other developers. In the first place is to help small and new developers with a background in college in Skövde University College to reach out with their games.
- The first game we give out to others is the Storm’s front line, a strategy made by some young guys who sit in the Gothia Science Park. They have been really busy with that program, while we have the skills and resources to market and distribute their games. I can imagine that we will act publishers to further one or two games for this year.
Floptickle
March 6th, 2009 at 20:42
- Vi har ett nytt WTCC-spel på gång, för årets säsong.
It translates, roughly, to:
We have a new WTCC-game in the works for this season.
And if you use Google Translate:
Do you have other games on the go, you usually do is a series of PC games every year?
- We have a new WTCC game and again, for this season. It is based on our old game engine. This year’s novelty is that we have a little more American tracks and a little more American muscle cars. It was a wish from our American publisher, so it is a little flirt with the market. But the U.S. is difficult, it is difficult to sell racingspel there if they do not run on tracks just go around, around, around.
Floptickle
March 6th, 2009 at 20:43
Damn you, LensFlare :D
Montoya
March 6th, 2009 at 20:43
Ahh, so it is 2009 because he said “this year”…
Interesting detail about Simbin becoming a publisher themselves…thanks for the translation
LensFlare
March 6th, 2009 at 20:50
How about changing the news title ?
Uff
March 6th, 2009 at 20:50
Releasing a new sim still based on the old gMotor is disappointing… at least for me.
We need to move not, not the same damn thing on a 4 years old engine…
LensFlare
March 6th, 2009 at 20:57
Well, in my opinion, what they’re doing so far with the “old” engine is quite good.
I can wait for a Lizard game. I prefer that they take their time to optimize it at best instead of rushing a PC game and disappointing everyone.
zudthespud
March 6th, 2009 at 21:18
If this is TOAD it will be a bit of a let down, i was looking forward to something origional.
trebor901
March 6th, 2009 at 21:20
Simbin have already published a game called “Attack on Pearl Harbor”
stabiz
March 6th, 2009 at 21:21
Hmmm, thid will be my first pass on a Simbin title. A Lada and some muscle cars is not that interesting. But I hope it sells in buckets so we get something new. ALMS anyone? Og GTR3!
ermax18
March 6th, 2009 at 23:01
I doubt SimBin will move to a new engine until they build their own or wait for ISI to supply them with rF2’s engine.
Tomas
March 6th, 2009 at 23:10
agreed… but with rf2, they will definately have a true competitor, I’d suspect that many are awaiting the new features of rf2 for true endurance-racing, which Race’07 and sub-titles have neglected.
Simulationsfanatiker
March 6th, 2009 at 23:18
I’m sure that there will be at least Road America and Laguna Seca from Race Pro. There were allready so many tracks Simbin built for old titles and converted (and improved) them for newer games.
I’m just wondering if they’ll also do the 2008 WTCC season. I’m not sure about the cars but they’d Okayama which will be used in 2009 was also used in 2008. It would be a bit strang to simulate the 06, 07 and 09 season and leaving 08.
Hopefully they built also Road Atlanta
Autosimsport
March 6th, 2009 at 23:58
We didn’t make the game name up – it’s like making up the title for the next Rocky movie. Seriously, Rocky 7? You think? WTCC 09? Nah, they’ll buy the license and then – call it RaceProEvolution2020. And yes, that’s official!
Montoya
March 7th, 2009 at 03:16
Well it could be another vairant of “RACE” as none of the simulations with WTCC content actually had WTCC in the name.
xilix
March 7th, 2009 at 03:32
I’m simply not going to buy anything more from Simbin until they deliver a title that’s all new from the ground up. WTCC has been done. Twice. If they think I’m buying anymore of their mods they’re smokin’ the crack.
LensFlare
March 7th, 2009 at 03:33
Can’t wait to drive those Seat TDI :-)
LensFlare
March 7th, 2009 at 03:35
Xilix> The Muscle Cars are obviously made “from the ground up”, and I guess the tracks too. And there should be other stuff, I guess.
fpol
March 7th, 2009 at 04:45
This quote made me LOL “But the U.S. is difficult, it is difficult to sell racingspel there if they do not run on tracks just go around, around, around.”
We’ve got quite a bit of road racing here – we just chose to make everyone believe that ‘all’ Americans ‘only’ like watching tanks race for 4hrs every Sunday on ovals.
Hey – if they’re going to have a few U.S. tracks, and they’re the same ones as in “that other sim …with the *reallly* good ones”, they’d better make them accurate.
Gopher04
March 7th, 2009 at 09:35
Well lets hope this isnt Toad, as i sure wont bother with it..
zudthespud
March 7th, 2009 at 10:03
I wouldn’t call rf a competator to simbin titles, rfactor is just gmotor2 in its simplest form, simbins titles have much more of a game built around it.
scca1981
March 7th, 2009 at 10:33
Is this a joke? Another WTCC game on the same old isi gmotor? So I take it PC users won’t get the lizard engine? Sadly i’m gonna have to agree with xilix, i’m done with Simbin until we get something fresh and new.
And that comment about the US only running tracks that go around around around is bullshit. You want to make a game that will appeal to the USA try making it based on a series that runs in the USA… there are a lot to choose from that run road courses. All of your games are based on European series so of course they are going to more appeal in that region.
Also explain to me this… RacePro is supposed to be your big console release. How come most stores in my area either didn’t have it in stock or only had 3-4 copies? How do you even expect to sell games when they are barely available to anyone?
Finally, if your states publisher wants some American “muscle” why don’t you give them some real race cars? I have a feeling American muscle means “srt8 street car”. We have tons of awesome race cars from all years that would make a great game.
scca1981
March 7th, 2009 at 10:42
Don’t they still hold the FIA GT license? Where is GTR3? You make that you’ll sell copies. Its all you hear about all the time. Everyone wants it. A simbin quality FIA GT 2008/2009 game would definitely have my money.
How about a GTL2? Hands down your best game IMHO. A part 2 with maybe 70s/80s race cars would be awesome.
scca1981
March 7th, 2009 at 10:49
# MontoyaMarch 7th, 2009 at 03:16
Well it could be another vairant of “RACE” as none of the simulations with WTCC content actually had WTCC in the name.
uhh…
Race – The WTCC Game
Race 07 – The WTCC Game
Uff
March 7th, 2009 at 11:15
@scca1981: don’t forget that mant of the people behind GTR2 and GTL are now in Slightly Mad Studios (ex Blimey!), not in actual SimBin.
Mr. A
March 7th, 2009 at 12:31
I’m starting to doubt that a GTR3-game, from the current Simbin, would be anything more than an updated GTR Evolution with cars and tracks from FIA GT…
But I hope I’m wrong and that we will get a new FIA GT-game based on their Lizard-engine with lots of new features someday.
Floptickle
March 8th, 2009 at 13:46
Guys, why are you getting so upset with this? Hell, I saw it coming, so relax enjoy the game, and if you won’t buy it? I’m pretty sure you’ll get it at some point :P
maxs
March 8th, 2009 at 14:00
THIS IS NOT ISI ENGINE GMotor
RACE07/GTREVO/STCC uses LIZARD ENGINE
THIS IS LIZARD ENGINE .
maxs
March 8th, 2009 at 14:01
RichardTrange
March 8th, 2009 at 14:48
@LensFlare
“- Vi har ett nytt WTCC-spel på gång, för årets säsong.”
=
” We got a new WTCC-Game in the pipeline, containing this years season”
And the article is written 27/2-09 i think it was.
LensFlare
March 8th, 2009 at 15:07
Lol !
Maxs, what have you been smoking? Race Pro for XBOX is on Lizard.
This is still GMotor.
RichardTrange: maybe the interview was made earlier…
I mean, we have WTCC 2006, 2007… where would 2008 have gone?
And moreover, the 2009 season is only starting with Curitiba. Who knows, maybe some cars will join soon the championship ! So it would be hard to start to make a game on a 2009 season when it hasn’t yet started. I mean, it’s not like Formula 1 where things are stable. In WTCC, you often have cars that join during the season, or give up for money reasons…
scca1981
March 8th, 2009 at 22:36
maxs you need think and do research before you post.
rFactor, GTR, GTR2, GTL, Race06, Race07, STCC and GTR Evolution all use the ISI Gmotor.
But what would I know? I’ve only been modding the games for 3 years.
maxs
March 9th, 2009 at 16:44
RF , GTR2 , GTL , RACE WTCC(06) ==== ISI GMOTOR
RACE07 , GTR Evo , STCC ==== LIZARD ENGINE
http://www.simbin.se/main/technology.htm#
LIZARD is simply based on gmotor its just modified and uses similar technology as gmotor i maybe wrong but this is how i undestand this otherwise why i see LIZZARD bilboards in my GTRE and Race07 ?
Montoya
March 9th, 2009 at 16:50
You´re definately wrong, sorry. Why do you think conversions of rFactor or GTR2 mods to GTR Evolution are easily possible? Because it’s the same engine.
RACE Pro is the first Simbin title to use the Lizard engine, no PC title has yet used it. You can easily tell as RACE Pro look very different in terms of lightning and effects while titles like rFactor or GTR Evolution look pretty much alike in terms of graphics.
maxs
March 9th, 2009 at 16:59
ok i will not argue because i simply do not have enough knowledge i just thought that what i thought because when i race my simbin games i see LIZZARD bilbords all around the tracks
i dont think Race07 GTREvo looks the same as RF and GTR2 its hard to tell what are the differences
of course Racepro looks different because its console game
anyway thank you for the info i didnt know that i hope that what you said is true :] i was living in wondreland :?
LensFlare
March 9th, 2009 at 20:21
haha yes indeed.
Race’07 and its addons have the same engine: GMotor. The difference is that apparently, SimBin has put some development into the engine to suit their own wills and make the game look prettier than its predecessors.
That’s unfortunately why you can see so much stealing from those games and content converted to rFactor or GTR2. They all use the same engine.
With the first Lizard PC game, I guess it will be pretty much harder to steal anything from it.
maxs
March 10th, 2009 at 00:06
thx for the info ;)
xilix
March 11th, 2009 at 04:19
LensFlare, the Muscle cars aren’t even developed correctly! Have you inspected the code? It’s horrible! For example, the Audi R8 and the Dodge Viper have the SAME EXACT SUSPENSION. As in, it’s the same file, copy&pasted! Shared between two cars that couldn’t possibly be more different than eachother in the real world. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg dude. Go download WTCCED and see for yourself.
From the ground up means a new engine. They aren’t even using the newest updated gmotor! I’m sick of buying their mods. I want to buy a new game for once. I’d also like it if they’d stop being lazy about their physics code development as well. I mean jesus I don’t even copy and paste my code like that! They need to stop letting the cars share code. I’ll NEVER look at Simbin the same way again after seeing the outright copy&paste development I see in GTR Evolution.