Comments on: WRC To Crown Virtual Rally Champion In New Sim http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim 100% Sim Racing News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: yztop2002 http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26108 yztop2002 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:43:24 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26108 Argghh my post being ignored. Watch BBC1 Week 1 October. Argghh my post being ignored. Watch BBC1 Week 1 October.

]]> By: Peregrinne http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26107 Peregrinne Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:36:59 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26107 <blockquote cite="comment-26103"> <strong><a href="#comment-26103" rel="nofollow">Sensekhmet</a></strong>: , but I think it’s understandable that as a simracer I will see it as dissapointing if it really turns out to be an arcade platform. </blockquote> I made those comments because you comtinue to make statements like that. iOpener is not an arcade platform, or any platform. As I mentioned above it is a method of recording real world races to be played back and participated in within any supporting simulation. If you only care about sim racing, why should you care of other people who don't get to enjoy the experience themselves too within their arcade racer? It doesn't impact you in any way or detract from any enjoyment you might get from your sim racing. iOpener records the races and provides them to people to download and replay within their preferred racing platform.

Sensekhmet: , but I think it’s understandable that as a simracer I will see it as dissapointing if it really turns out to be an arcade platform.

I made those comments because you comtinue to make statements like that. iOpener is not an arcade platform, or any platform. As I mentioned above it is a method of recording real world races to be played back and participated in within any supporting simulation. If you only care about sim racing, why should you care of other people who don’t get to enjoy the experience themselves too within their arcade racer? It doesn’t impact you in any way or detract from any enjoyment you might get from your sim racing. iOpener records the races and provides them to people to download and replay within their preferred racing platform.

]]> By: Sensekhmet http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26103 Sensekhmet Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:50:14 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26103 I don't see it as 'bad', but I think it's understandable that as a simracer I will see it as dissapointing if it really turns out to be an arcade platform. All the comments about 'scoffing' and 'holding my nose up' are really unnecessary. It's clear you don't know my opinion on arcade racing games so please, keep such comments to yourself. I don’t see it as ‘bad’, but I think it’s understandable that as a simracer I will see it as dissapointing if it really turns out to be an arcade platform. All the comments about ‘scoffing’ and ‘holding my nose up’ are really unnecessary. It’s clear you don’t know my opinion on arcade racing games so please, keep such comments to yourself.

]]> By: Peregrinne http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26061 Peregrinne Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:04:00 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26061 I don't know why you see that being a bad thing. The intention of iOpener is to bring the fan closer to their favourite racing series than thay have every been before. Some of us only like realistic sims, but there is no need for us to turn our noses up or scoff at those who prefer the arcade racer variety. The fact that someone enjoys racing an FIA GT feed on Need for Speed or, for arguement's sake, their iPhone, in no way impacts my ability to enjoy racing the same feed in GTR2 or whatever future supported sim takes my fancy. To each their own. You will not be racing people on PS3s or mobile phones while you drive your PC based simulator. You're racing the recorded opponents, not everyone else who also wishes to rach those opponents as well. I don’t know why you see that being a bad thing. The intention of iOpener is to bring the fan closer to their favourite racing series than thay have every been before. Some of us only like realistic sims, but there is no need for us to turn our noses up or scoff at those who prefer the arcade racer variety. The fact that someone enjoys racing an FIA GT feed on Need for Speed or, for arguement’s sake, their iPhone, in no way impacts my ability to enjoy racing the same feed in GTR2 or whatever future supported sim takes my fancy. To each their own. You will not be racing people on PS3s or mobile phones while you drive your PC based simulator. You’re racing the recorded opponents, not everyone else who also wishes to rach those opponents as well.

]]> By: Sensekhmet http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26055 Sensekhmet Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:13:13 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26055 Ah, so here's the catch I was reffering to. Potentially, in the worst case scenario, iOpener can function with cell phone racing games. Ah, so here’s the catch I was reffering to. Potentially, in the worst case scenario, iOpener can function with cell phone racing games.

]]> By: Peregrinne http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26054 Peregrinne Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:50:13 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26054 No, it is neither. Conceptually it doesn't require much, besides an accurate representation of the track. You seem to be looking at iOpener as it it is the sim itself. It is only a recording. Ultimately the realism of the end user experience is wholey dependany on the realism of the game running it. If you are running an ultra realistic racing sim, you should potentially have the capability to match the recorded driver lap time for lap time (if you're good enough). If you are running it inside an arcade racer, your pace will be dictated by the game itself, so you may run much faster or slower. I would imagine that there would be some form of compensation in place with arcade racers to make sure you can't just blow your opponents away, making the exercise trivial. Anything I might say about that, though is pure speculation, as I'm only familiar with the concept of iOpener, not how it will be implemented into each game. No, it is neither. Conceptually it doesn’t require much, besides an accurate representation of the track. You seem to be looking at iOpener as it it is the sim itself. It is only a recording. Ultimately the realism of the end user experience is wholey dependany on the realism of the game running it. If you are running an ultra realistic racing sim, you should potentially have the capability to match the recorded driver lap time for lap time (if you’re good enough). If you are running it inside an arcade racer, your pace will be dictated by the game itself, so you may run much faster or slower. I would imagine that there would be some form of compensation in place with arcade racers to make sure you can’t just blow your opponents away, making the exercise trivial. Anything I might say about that, though is pure speculation, as I’m only familiar with the concept of iOpener, not how it will be implemented into each game.

]]> By: Sensekhmet http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26050 Sensekhmet Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:59:31 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26050 Exactly. But it still requires a perfect mirror of the real location and vehicle, deosn't it? Unless it's just racing drivers playing racing games and recording their ghosts. Exactly. But it still requires a perfect mirror of the real location and vehicle, deosn’t it? Unless it’s just racing drivers playing racing games and recording their ghosts.

]]> By: Peregrinne http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26048 Peregrinne Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:12:21 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26048 <blockquote cite="comment-26037"> <strong><a href="#comment-26037" rel="nofollow">Sensekhmet</a></strong>: So what’s the point of iOpener if it isn’t accurate? You could just post real driver’s times and save yourself the trouble. </blockquote> There seems to be a misconception about the function of iOpener. iOpener essentially a plugin for a racing game that allows you to import saved races. It plots the recorded drivers locations over the course of the race. You then race against these recorded drivers.

Sensekhmet:
So what’s the point of iOpener if it isn’t accurate? You could just post real driver’s times and save yourself the trouble.

There seems to be a misconception about the function of iOpener. iOpener essentially a plugin for a racing game that allows you to import saved races. It plots the recorded drivers locations over the course of the race. You then race against these recorded drivers.

]]> By: joseki http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26040 joseki Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:10:54 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26040 I'm afraid that RBR was the first and the last decent rallye sim ever but I would be grateful if some title gets even half way of that master piece. I’m afraid that RBR was the first and the last decent rallye sim ever but I would be grateful if some title gets even half way of that master piece.

]]> By: Sensekhmet http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26037 Sensekhmet Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:01:48 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26037 So what's the point of iOpener if it isn't accurate? You could just post real driver's times and save yourself the trouble. So what’s the point of iOpener if it isn’t accurate? You could just post real driver’s times and save yourself the trouble.

]]> By: gtrNL http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26034 gtrNL Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:33:45 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26034 God I'm hoping this will be the new RBR. And iOpener doesn't mean it has to be perfect when it comes to realism. So what the real drivers take 16 minutes for a stage and the digital racer takes 10 minutes for the same stage. He doesn't have to beat the real drivers. He just gets a price if he wins from the other digital racers. At least, that's what I understand from the concept. God I’m hoping this will be the new RBR.

And iOpener doesn’t mean it has to be perfect when it comes to realism.
So what the real drivers take 16 minutes for a stage and the digital racer takes 10 minutes for the same stage. He doesn’t have to beat the real drivers. He just gets a price if he wins from the other digital racers.
At least, that’s what I understand from the concept.

]]> By: Sensekhmet http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26025 Sensekhmet Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:22:37 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26025 But unless you have the exact same conditions (car, track, weather, etc.) how can you enable gamers to replicate real data? But unless you have the exact same conditions (car, track, weather, etc.) how can you enable gamers to replicate real data?

]]> By: Peregrinne http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26024 Peregrinne Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:00:49 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26024 iOpener doesn't need realistic physics, it can be used with any racer from arcade to sim. All iOpener does is plot the position, speed, and acceleration of a recorded car on track at any give time (maybe some other things too). The racing game/sim provides the track, cars and physics to race against the recorded iOpener opponent. iOpener doesn’t need realistic physics, it can be used with any racer from arcade to sim. All iOpener does is plot the position, speed, and acceleration of a recorded car on track at any give time (maybe some other things too). The racing game/sim provides the track, cars and physics to race against the recorded iOpener opponent.

]]> By: Uff http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26021 Uff Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:02:34 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26021 <blockquote cite="comment-26011"> <strong><a href="#comment-26011" rel="nofollow">ForzaBarca88</a></strong>: Anyways, I do hope they get Eero Piitulainen (RBR main physics guy) involved somehow. </blockquote> Considering that the now works for Slightly Mad Studios, it's a bit difficult to make it happen. :wink:

ForzaBarca88:
Anyways, I do hope they get Eero Piitulainen (RBR main physics guy) involved somehow.

Considering that the now works for Slightly Mad Studios, it’s a bit difficult to make it happen. :wink:

]]> By: yztop2002 http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26020 yztop2002 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:49:00 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26020 I have been leading the development team which will make the reproduction of the stage perfectly possible. Dev started 2004. Global launch of the technology on BBC1 and BBC Worldwide TV in Week 1 October. It is a completely new technology which has never been seen before for the creation of simulations.. We are looking for several administrators to maintain a forum and perhaps blog. If anyone fancies it drop me an email with past experience I have been leading the development team which will make the reproduction of the stage perfectly possible. Dev started 2004. Global launch of the technology on BBC1 and BBC Worldwide TV in Week 1 October.

It is a completely new technology which has never been seen before for the creation of simulations..

We are looking for several administrators to maintain a forum and perhaps blog. If anyone fancies it drop me an email with past experience

]]> By: Sensekhmet http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26014 Sensekhmet Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:08:39 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26014 I agree. It's simply impossible today to make a PEFECT simulation of a real rally car, and more importantly, a real rally stage. And even if it would be possible, take Rally of Poland for example. 30 kilometer stage, Citroen C4 WRC, 216kph on the clock in places... no one would able to pull it off, save maybe for the factory drivers themselves. There's got to be a catch here somewhere. I agree. It’s simply impossible today to make a PEFECT simulation of a real rally car, and more importantly, a real rally stage.
And even if it would be possible, take Rally of Poland for example. 30 kilometer stage, Citroen C4 WRC, 216kph on the clock in places… no one would able to pull it off, save maybe for the factory drivers themselves.
There’s got to be a catch here somewhere.

]]> By: ForzaBarca88 http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26011 ForzaBarca88 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:45:09 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26011 Im still a bit fuzzy on this iOpener concept - do the tracks (stages in this case) and the physics of the car need to be just about perfectly replicated for it to work correctly? Awesome idea but its pretty ambitious considering even our most hardcore sims have realism issues.... And apparently it will be multiplatform as well :eek: Anyways, I do hope they get Eero Piitulainen (RBR main physics guy) involved somehow. Im still a bit fuzzy on this iOpener concept – do the tracks (stages in this case) and the physics of the car need to be just about perfectly replicated for it to work correctly? Awesome idea but its pretty ambitious considering even our most hardcore sims have realism issues….
And apparently it will be multiplatform as well :eek: Anyways, I do hope they get Eero Piitulainen (RBR main physics guy) involved somehow.

]]> By: AmericanTGMan http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-26000 AmericanTGMan Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:32:58 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-26000 Now we just have to wait and see if Ari Vatanen or Jean Todt like the idea as well... :tongue: Now we just have to wait and see if Ari Vatanen or Jean Todt like the idea as well… :tongue:

]]> By: JocoG http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-25994 JocoG Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:42:48 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-25994 Looking forward to that :) Looking forward to that :)

]]> By: scca1981 http://www.virtualr.net/wrc-to-crown-virtual-rally-champion-in-new-sim/comment-page-1#comment-25991 scca1981 Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:47:30 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5309#comment-25991 As long as its not made by Codemasters or Blackbean we should be ok :cool: One could speculate maybe Simbin might even have a hand in it considering their past partnerships with FIA and their recent partnership with iOpener. As long as its not made by Codemasters or Blackbean we should be ok :cool:

One could speculate maybe Simbin might even have a hand in it considering their past partnerships with FIA and their recent partnership with iOpener.

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