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Content wise pCARS is starting to become a great package, lots of bang for your buck. Im just hoping that the new tyre model will fix the general wierdness when oversteering and Im set :)

wow.

Hot damn!

Content continues to be excellent, even if the tracks are pretty inaccurate and far too bright. I just really wish the fundamental gameplay would be fixed to feel like rFactor/2/iRacing, rather than Forza. FFB, weird understeer and suspension hopping along with input delay are real problems still and it is not progressing at the kind of pace I would expect from a non-hamstrung SMS.

Since pCARS doesn’t have issues making fictional cars, it would be nice if they could create some competition for these lotuses. Maybe not every model and certainly I wouldn’t expect a full field, but to have some visual variety would be nice, especially in cars from an era where no two designs were alike.

I know I am probably dreaming but since I am under the impression that pCARS is not going to be open to modding, the community won’t be ale to provide those cars.

Don’t buy this Sim if you don’t like a huge selection of some of the most sought racing cars, that are beautifully render, drive like a dream and are priced lower then a limbo dance bar.

 Yeah, let’s make it more like rF and iRacing, more like dinosaur sims with an outdated design philosophy and unrealisticly hard to handle.
NOT.

We don’t have the same definition for “dream”.

SMS employee?

I like where this game is going, but the physics needs work.
Where is the multiplayer? The events are greyed out whenever I launch the game (junior membership).

OMG, it’s a conspiracy!! The huge manatee!

 You mean like the lack of tire wear in iRacing four years in for some of the cars and the icy grass and spring loaded curbs. I have been an IRacing subscriber since the beta days to be honest the progress of IRacing is somewhat disappointing in many ways.Pcars is certainly not ideal but from a progress stand point things are moving much faster than iRacing ever has.

You know how much the game is going to cost already? :)

 the multiplayer is in development like the whole game

If you have access to the forums you should know the answer to your question, multiplayer is not coming until things are done and the events are hotlap things ;)

 Every Team Member+ (and higher) gets a free copy of the game, so yes, he knows.

no! every full member+

In all honesty, I wish ISI had gotten these licenses. Anyone who is in the rF2 beta knows how wonderful ISI has treated these old, beautiful cars.

Will SMS do them justice? That remains to be seen. For me, that’s a big question mark.

 Good to know. I was planing to check out the forums today. :)

 The full member fee (which gets you the full game when released) is €45.

This might sound like a stock answer but, in all honesty,it’s very tempting for me to reveal what is going on right now regarding force feedback and physics but I’m not sure if it is permitted. I don’t think it is a secret that the physics tick rate is being increase from 180Hz to 600Hz. Also the FFB has been improved to the extent that it is revealing a lot of information about what is already correct, and what needs to be worked on.

I understand your reservations. It is possible though that a dev team that are top notch in graphics, models and sounds are also able to excel in the ‘invisible’ areas as they have proved to do in the past. You may well find that the size of that question mark will reduce quite rapidly over the next year or so.

 I lol’d.

Well, there are different sorts of dreams ;)
shift would be a bad dream
F1 2011 would be a “meh” dream
pcars would be a good dream so far
fva is an excellent dream
iracing flipflops between bad dream and excellent dream

no wet dream sims available yet :/

 at the moment you can drive 3 different lotus in pcars.some shots http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1553272&postcount=546 there are more also here http://www.wmdportal.com/

Which car on iRacing’s NTM still has ice grass and awful curbs? I use grass to track out and charge over curbs at Oulton Park in the SRF, Skippy, and Mustang like a dream. These cars are all on harder compounds so there is relatively little wear, about 20% on mustang over an hour. Might actually be a bit too much for BFG R1s.

Great selection! Definitely going to check pCARS out when it releases.

dude try world racing series

Yes guys I’m already a member of pCARS. I’ve been a member since day one. I drive every weekly build.

That’s exactly why I posted my comment and why I have so many question marks. 

very very nice news!!!
SMS burn!

pCARS gonna be the game of 2013 ( in sim categorie ) , honestly … :)

 I think the Leonus 68 in the game and also the F77 in the last build are a blast to drive (at the stage of development). Of course, you question is very justified. In my opinion they will do all the justice to those beautiful formula-cars.

Good note. A lot of people have this claim, me too. But since the Ford announcement and now Lotus and seeing how much cars coming in those packages, I have no doubt that SMS is going to look for competitors for a lot of cars.

 He might know since he is reading the homepage.

There is no tyre wear in iRacing with the NTM, none, nada, zilch, zero.

you sure about that? the nascars tyres drop off quickly after just a few laps, or is this lap time drop off and wear two different things?

I agree your right they should not aim to make it like those sims, more like nk pro or (asseto corsa although i’ve never driven it) in terms of physics at the mo its more like trd3 or grid! I have faith it will be much better on release though! :)

We have always been at war with Eastasia…

Drop off and wear are different, but most people use it to refer to both phenomenon. Drop off is usually due to heat, graining, blistering, or curing of the rubber. Wear usually refers to the tread depth lost, which doesn’t directly affect laptimes (but does affect heat).

My last NTM race I set fast time on lap 4, then it fell to a steady level because I took care of my tires. Ended with just over 80% tread depth in the fronts. I have no idea what Andrew is talking about.

Sure, but that doesn’t mean that the price of the game will be that. It has not even been decided yet, and may differ across different regions, markets etc. Maybe it is thought that the more big licences are signed, the higher the value of the game. Doesn’t seem unreasonable. 

At least for those who registered at Full Member within the development will get their free copy for paying 45€.

Of course, in your game shop the game will cost more than that, at least for console. But that´s the advantage of investing within the development time.

But I doubt it will cost more than 45 to 60$/€ since rising the price for license cost is no argument. Imagine how much GT5 or Forza 4 would cost.

yeah i was pretty sure there was tyre wear in iracing…alot of people who tend to know the most have never actually played the game it seems…

Or are unwilling to fix their own issues. You’d be amazed how many people flip out over how awful a physics update is the first day, then come back a few weeks later saying now that they changed their setup or stopped a bad habit the car feels better than before. Standard sim racer mentality ;)

i’m guilty of that lol! I didnt like the NTM at all at first now i do prefer it… although it lacks in regards to slip angles i guess it teaches you to drive smoothly because it punishes you! as a training tool the fact it’s harder is probably a good thing! anyways this is a pcars thread so best get back on topic! lol!

What do you mean it lacks slip angles? Peak slip was too high on OTM, that was the problem ;)

I would say it’s definitely harder to be fast, but significantly easier to drive it even a bit below the limit. I could probably lap all day now 1s off my fast lap without worry, on OTM I would always have that little worry that I would suddenly loop it or go into a slide I couldn’t recover.

Back on topic, any public ord on what the pCARS tire model updates are supposed to entail?

> Don’t buy this Sim
You convinced me at this point.

I guess you’re not too worried about the profit side :-)

i hope they didnt mess with f77 much that is my car in pcars

love it. was difficult and thats why i loved it i hope it has not been dumbed down. have not had time to try it in about 2 0r 3 weeks.

 I don’t do ovals anymore but I would suspect the tire wear on the Nascar versions of IRacing date back to N2003 which did have tire wear. 

since about 1977 you can change the brightness of a monitor  :)

problem is in iracing little arcade sprint races tire wear almost never comes into factor.

 I have been a member of iRacing since the beta days have driven thousands of laps. I have driven the HPD extensively and you can do a 70 minute race with 5% tire wear and no drop off in speed.

best game for sim races, hardcore racers and arcade racers all at the same time.

- very similair to nascar 2003 (well known as one of toughest sim games to race yet had arcade mod) as being all the things i said above.  but needs way more ovals and still needs proper indy car. crossing my fingers.

Nice cars, too bad this game has the worst physics of anything that pretends to be called a “sim” at this moment.

To be fair, they have said they’re aiming to be more like Forza with better physics. They don’t need to beat nKPro to accomplish that.

I agree with you BUT improved a lot since October.
I like it better and better.

I got nKPro too but I don’t like too much ( very good physics but that’s all ).

 Your F1 2011/ Shift/ Forza-thing doesn´t fit together at all.

“on OTM I would always have that little worry that I would suddenly loop it or go into a slide I couldn’t recover.”

Think we all know how to recover slides, best not to mention that, remember the last storm, hahaha!!

I just drove the 77 around Bathurst at 7 am in the morning with the Hazy effect on…. Never have I felt more immersed in a game, it just looked so real. I used to hate this game, but honestly, its absolutely insane just how realistic this thing looks. Once they get the physics down right, this thing is going to be freakin amazing.

Call me old fashioned, but I still save slides by countersteering ;)

Of course, gotta throw the word ‘arcade’ in there ;)

The bigger thing is without tires blistering or graining, it really does take a while for most race tires to wear to the cords. Temperature falloff is still a work in progress, looking forward to further improvements there. Sounds like vulcanization from heat cycles should be coming, which might make a big difference.

I’ve heard the tires on the cars are modeled after the endurance tires they run, which do last forever. Since they have tire competition they don’t need to engineer falloff into the tires (NASCAR has gotten tires with no falloff before). For example, the Nissan Deltawing ran almost 600 miles in the first Le Mans practice this week on one set of tires with little falloff.

Pretty sure the vulcanization they’re adding ‘soon’ might change this, where too many heat cycles hardens the tires and reduces grip.

I think the idea is to have at least 6 oval courses on the finished game and you can see the indy car series on the design documents so I think you are in luck.
Personally I cant wait to have more production road cars like the Mitsubishis and the Ford Focus.

They don’t get a free game.  They have paid for it for gawd’s sake.  I’ll wait untill after release and get it for 10$ on steam.

This is fantastic.  Holy sim racing legends batman.  I can’t wait for the finished article.  This is going to be the best racing sim ever ever.

old video but F77 ? Best Sim car I ever raced. Prior to this I loved the lotus in Iracing the best.

http://youtu.be/59IsZDEQ-w0

 Oh look, we have a physics expert here! :)
Waiting for some “in iRacing it drives better” ^^
Can you say that for me, Horazio?

Ive played every game on your list. Own them plus rf1/ gtr1 /gtr2/ gpl/ n2003/ n2002 / nascar 4/

have not played 2 below.
 rFactor 2 – better physics
netKar – better physics (undoublty Assetto Corsa too)

Pcars with all aids OFF IS EVERY BIT A SIM AS ANY OF THEM. I could not disagree more. Infact I bet if I set you up with n2003 set up and track you would not even be able to turn a lap without spinning  despite calling yourself a sim racer.  lol sorry I could not resist. I try to be Nice!

 that’s all but that’s huge. :)

Awesome! I did some voluntary work for Classic Team Lotus a couple of years ago, so to see these cars being immortalised into a game like this should be pretty cool :)

 Not standard sim racing mentality. It’s called reality mentality. Just last week at Spa in the HPD I spun in the final s chicane at 40 miles per hour. I am sorry but there aren’t any real race cars that spin at that low a speed. How about any noises when bottoming out ? Hear anything ? Car sounds are utterly generic.  DX9 graphics ,doesn’t look much different than N2003. Laser scanned tracks are great but I’m OK with 90% accurate because I am not going to quit my day job and start a racing career. Prime example is Pcars has new Silverstone layout and iRacing has the 5 year old one. Would you rather have more tracks or drive Laguna Seca every single season ? If Pcars continues to mature it will be a great sim. Let’s compare it to iRacing four years from now.

I didn’t say there aren’t real glitches and issues, there are. Lots of them. I only said that a lot of the loudest complaining comes from people who haven’t put in the time to realize they were the problem.

The new Silverstone should be scanned this year, and they’ve just announced they’re hiring and improving things so they can release tracks faster. Personally, it’s those 10% inaccuracies that bug me when I drive tracks in other sims.