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Everyone playing Forza 3 knows how crap the physics are now plus the damage model is totally BS just watch this video http://kotaku.com/5390453/forza-3-car-crash-it-lives

I find interesting the score SRT gave to Forza 3 also worth mentioning is that they had an original copy of Forza 3 weeks before the game was in store so definitely I find something weird here. Consparicary story? Maybe! But I definately see MS’s fingers there at SRT Forza 3 review!

SRT – Need for Speed Shift Review? Depends how close EA got to them! Shame on SRT I had these guys as reliable news source but now not anymore!

Finally! It’s been on youtube for a while.

The last 3 minutes were far more enjoyable than the half hour that proceeded it I’m sorry to have to say.

The scoring method throughout the series has been rather scorched by this show, you are now too lenient on some scores and obviously affected by outside bias on others. Be more harsh, if something is the best of what’s available today it deserves 10/10, if something is utter crap make it below 3/10. It’s not like your going to be introducing non-sim deserved titles into the scoring system so go nuts!

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a porsche from forza up near the top of top sim cars what??? i wonder where they would put the the gt3′s from pcc 2007?. Would that depend on how much they were paid?. Obvious fail on the porsche fanatec forza 911 turbos plug there. All those cars should be in the 90′s compared to that piece of crap from forza there scoring system is f’ed. I know what there motto is lets suck those fanboys in . They will wait till forza stops selling then do a review for GT and says its much better than forza and say buy it from our shop.

Jessicaaaaa….

they really lost credibility on this one!

At least they noticed that there is something wrong with Shift’s handling, but even though I had a chat with Darin about the steering input delay AND it is very obvious that they are having it, he didn’t mention it explicit.
Maybe because then they had to blame Forza3 for steering input delay too …

Calling Forza3 a sim and Shift a game
Shift definitly is a sim, and if SMS eliminates the massive steering input delay, it can also be played as a sim

at one point i used to like this show, now its just crap, they talk like if forza is the best thing ever made and slam rfactor saying the game engine is not solid enough, come on!, and i know they need to take care of their sponsors but they really lost credibility, i guess its the last show i will see from them

Rfactor engine IS no longer solid enough. Its aged. It is basically as they state created for the EA F1 titles. Since then the FFB and physics have come to new standards with LFS, iRacing netkar PRO. New insights into giving feedback over wheel instead of “canned” effects.

EA/SMS did a big mistake and that was releasing a game in a “beta” stage.. jsut wait for the next patch (fingers crossed).. Im imagining alot of issues fixed including some physics problems….After that SRT will have to score Shift again. ^^

I’ve noticed aswell some strange things in this episode…the overhype of Forza 3 and XBox3600 well thats obvious for a long time and than that Lotus from iRacing going directly to the 1st place…

This is really biased review, STR is going down every single episode.a shame..

Lets face it… SRT has become a big commercial broadcast. A shame really.. it used to be a superb magazine for serious simracers. the good old days ;-)

SpikeyMarcoD: Rfactor engine IS no longer solid enough. Its aged. It is basically as they state created for the EA F1 titles. Since then the FFB and physics have come to new standards with LFS, iRacing netkar PRO. New insights into giving feedback over wheel instead of “canned” effects.

not so solid that Massa and Red Bull uses it… bah

SpikeyMarcoD: Rfactor engine IS no longer solid enough. Its aged. It is basically as they state created for the EA F1 titles. Since then the FFB and physics have come to new standards with LFS, iRacing netkar PRO. New insights into giving feedback over wheel instead of “canned” effects.

Hmm.. bad argument. rF is an “evolution” (quoting ISI) of the engine in EA F1. If you use that argument then you would have to say iRacing isn’t solid because it is an evolution of the GTL engine (even older then Gmotor). rFactor’s FFB is the best there is (better then iRaing IMO) with a good mod and properly configured RealFeel and “canned” effects turned off.

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Niksounds:
not so solid that Massa and Red Bull uses it… bah

No they don’t. They use their own physics with rFactor Pro, which basically is just a graphics engine added with the ability to bolt your own physics on top of it.

felipe: also worth mentioning is that they had an original copy of Forza 3 weeks before the game was in store so definitely I find something weird here.

Reviewers get advance copies of games. End of story.

BSR-WiX: Lets face it… SRT has become a big commercial broadcast.A shame really.. it used to be a superb magazine for serious simracers.the good old days;-)

+1

I don’t like this show anymore…

My eye’s bugged out when they re-did the Lotus and put it back on the top of the “best car’s list”. They lost all credibility with that move. Then they admitted they were mad at EA because EA snubbed them by not giving the a pre-release copy of “Shift”, like they did all the other reviewers. Maybe EA thought they lacked credibility. They turn around and prove EA correct.
Sounds in “Shift” are awesome. Consider the Vette works car! Let’s see how the iRacing vette compares.
At least at the end of the “Shift” review they admitted the score wasn’t accurate. So we’re mad at EA, give them a lower score; we’re members and fan boys of iRacing so exalt it to the top. How totally transparently unprofessional of them. Red Rover Red Rover, I say let Jessica take over!

Sounds in NFS Shift are not awesome, at least not the 1-series BMW and that other car that I tried.

Howie47: My eye’s bugged out when they re-did the Lotus and put it back on the top of the “best car’s list”.They lost all credibility with that move. Then they admitted they were mad at EA because EA snubbed them by not giving the a pre-release copy of “Shift”, like they did all the other reviewers. Maybe EA thought they lacked credibility. They turn around and prove EA correct.Sounds in “Shift” are awesome. Consider the Vette works car! Let’s see how the iRacing vette compares.At least at the end of the “Shift” review they admitted the score wasn’t accurate.So we’re mad at EA, give them a lower score; we’re members and fan boys of iRacing so exalt it to the top.How totally transparently unprofessional of them.Red Rover Red Rover, I say let Jessica take over!

Jessica is iRacing’s No. 1 fangirl!!!

I totally agree the re-scoring of the Lotus is plain stupid… When they put Abarth on P1 it was said that it deserved to be ahead of the Lotus. Also why only re-score the Lotus ? Other cars where rated before the Lotus…

I never played Forza but that score seems very high for a Forza game.

Howie47, I’ve been lurking this site for a while and I see your comments come up quite a bit, so I have to ask; Is EA paying you? Or are you spreading their bullshit for free?

Howie47: My eye’s bugged out when they re-did the Lotus and put it back on the top of the “best car’s list”.They lost all credibility with that move. Then they admitted they were mad at EA because EA snubbed them by not giving the a pre-release copy of “Shift”, like they did all the other reviewers. Maybe EA thought they lacked credibility. They turn around and prove EA correct.Sounds in “Shift” are awesome. Consider the Vette works car! Let’s see how the iRacing vette compares.At least at the end of the “Shift” review they admitted the score wasn’t accurate.So we’re mad at EA, give them a lower score; we’re members and fan boys of iRacing so exalt it to the top.How totally transparently unprofessional of them.Red Rover Red Rover, I say let Jessica take over!

siggy: Howie47, I’ve been lurking this site for a while and I see your comments come up quite a bit, so I have to ask; Is EA paying you? Or are you spreading their bullshit for free?

Is lurking the new catch word for trolling?? SMS developed Shift not EA.who was just the publisher. Of course some of the iRacing/Papyrus fanboys got so mad at EA for taking the Nascar license and putting Papyrus out of business, that they carry a grievous grudge to this day, against any thing related to EA. So are you a “lurking troll”, waiting to pounce on any one speaking well of any thing related to EA?

Huh? I couldn’t care less about Nascar. I also don’t have any personal vendetta against EA. I own and enjoy many of the games they’ve published. So nice try.

Anyways, the publishers or the developers hire “community mangers” to post in discussion forums to damage control/promote their product. I’m not exactly accusing you of being one, I’m just saying that you deserve a biweekly payment for all your efforts. The amount of dedication and time you spend on defending SHIFT is truly awe inspiring.

Howie47:
Is lurking the new catch word for trolling??SMS developed Shift not EA.who was just the publisher. Of course some of the iRacing/Papyrus fanboys got so mad at EA for taking the Nascar license and putting Papyrus out of business, that they carry a grievous grudge to this day, against any thing related to EA. So are you a “lurking troll”, waiting to pounce onany one speaking well of any thing related to EA?

siggy: Huh? I couldn’t care less about Nascar. I also don’t have any personal vendetta against EA. I own and enjoy many of the games they’ve published. So nice try.Anyways, the publishers or the developers hire “community mangers” to post in discussion forums to damage control/promote their product. I’m not exactly accusing you of being one, I’m just saying that you deserve a biweekly payment for all your efforts. The amount of dedication and time you spend on defending SHIFT is truly awe inspiring.

Just trying to keep the balances level “siggy”. Certain people started hammering the game before it was released and haven’t ceased at every opportunity to do so since then.

Howie47Maybe EA thought they lacked credibility. They turn around and prove EA correct.

Do you think EA give a shit? If they were so concerned about credibility they wouldn’t give sites like IGN a review copy, and certainly wouldn’t get involved in buying good scores. But of course this happens all the time…

Well yeah, it’s commercial.. That’s clear. MS has paid them clearly, as I do not see a sim in Forza 3 at all. And TBH I’;m getting tired of the iRacing hype they have.

You know what I think is odd as well, I’ve been looking through everything they’ve made, and barely all reviews had a score of 8 or higher..

Almost all reviews had a score of 8 or higher*

Why shouldn`t they give everything they get for free a good score? If they keep giving things a bad score they won`t receive those things for free anymore. It`s simple logic.

the problem is if SRT really wants to go main stream I can name a few guys like ign gamespot gametrailers that will blow their head off! Anyway all I will watch SRT for now are wheel reviews but not for the score but details on the wheels! While they knew whom they were i.e. garage program it was fine but now let’s move on!

ThomasGocke:…I had a chat with Darin about the steering input delay…

FFS Thomas, give it a rest

stabiz: Sounds in NFS Shift are not awesome, at least not the 1-series BMW and that other car that I tried.

So, you base your judgement on TWO cars?
But I agree, the sounds themselves are good however there seems to be a lot of distortion layered on top, I can see how some people might not like it (I myself am not sure if I like it).

jux:
No they don’t. They use their own physics with rFactor Pro, which basically is just a graphics engine added with the ability to bolt your own physics on top of it.

I asked my contact at rFpro for a comment on your claims, he said “beef stroganoff”

and it’s Five F1 teams using rFpro now.

simracer64:
I asked my contact at rFpro for a comment on your claims, he said “beef stroganoff”

It should have been clear that it was a gross oversimplification to give an idea of the plugin architecture and reinforce the main point: rFactor Pro is very different from the good old rFactor we use at home. AutoSimSport among others has had extensive coverage on rFactor Pro recently, so you don’t need a contact at the company to know what their product is about.

it’s not as different as you may think, what is different is the wealth of data and expertise on hand to create the physics file for the sim to use, I may not need a contact but I have one and that is exactly what he said when I showed him your post.

simracer64: it’s not as different as you may think, what is different is the wealth of data and expertise on hand to create the physics file for the sim to use, I may not need a contact but I have one and that is exactly what he said when I showed him your post.

http://www.autosimsport.net/index2/index.php/online-article-list/76-ass-mag-v4i5, pages 38-45. Quite a bit more informative than the beer and stroganoff he gave you.

lol…. ok you win, you know far more than I do, I was advised to ignore the forums and refrain from posting, sound advise that I intend to take.

Let’s face it, if Nintendo would pay them enough, they would even call Mario kart a sim. shame on you SRT