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Great review, thanks Doug ! 
And you listen to your spectators too ! (the banner ;))

Keep them coming, I’ll keep watching :D

I WANT this wheel !   But I am going to wait for the comparision between this and the Thustmaster.
Although I only need a wheel as I have the Clubsport pedals and the CSR Elite looks like it is built to withstand an earthquake.

Resistance is futile. You are belong to Germaneering. 

And you know it ;)

The thing is Sim driving games wont have realistic FFB due to the fact that the sims have to use the FFB to convey G forces and other things that a real car conveys through the seat and not the wheel. From the get-go FFB in sims is abstract.   ( still fun and entertaining )

I also think its likely that someone like greco could put down a time within 0.100 using this or a G25 

Watching this guy drive its apparent to me that he is not even close to alien pace Alien pace so he is not even qualified to review wheels interns of making statements of x wheel will make you drive faster. 

sure this wheel is nice and has lots of buttons and its FFB will be mutch better than that of the trusted g25 but why bother if you are racing for fun a g25/27 does the job clamps to your table and allows you to enjoy the sims that extra money would probably be better spent on the monitor.  

the only justification I can think of is the return response on these expensive wheels lets you do drifting in games properly where as the G25/27 is rather sluggish. 

But for racing especially with faster cars F1 for example The limitation at the moment is in the software not the FFB wheels.

Sure if this wheel makes people happy that’s fine but objectively especaily when it comes down to the goal of driving faster I’m not so sure if there is that much of a time difference racing with this over a cheepo g25 , especially when allot of these people getting these wheels are more than 3-5 seconds of the track record for a given car. 

James, if you can, give this wheel a try. You’ll come running to delete this post ;)

Like many G27 owners, you just can’t believe there’s a wheel out there better than the Logitech… until you try one, and then you cry for not doing it much before.

It’s not about performance on the track. It’s not about realism. It’s about immersion.
FFB on a Fanatec wheel with a good sim like rFactor2 is simply unbelievable. You can feel the road and yes, you can feel what your car is doing with the FFB alone. 
Some of us DO have the seat moving too, but that is totally complementary to the wheel’s FFB, it mostly simulate G forces while the wheel transmits the forces from the tires (to grip or not to grip, that’s the question)

I’d invite you over to test my rig if we were in the same country…

“Like many G27 owners, you just can’t believe there’s a wheel out there better than the Logitech”Thats not true I made it clear in my post that I’m sure the other wheels are better , offer stronger FFB better response and more detail ,  my point was do they gain you more time ?  and ultimately all the consumer sim games are not even close to reality , even though a G25 or 27 might be shit the point is they work well enough to drive alien or near alien times from and when you are in the zone so long as a wheel gives enoughf resolution to respond to the game then thats all you need.  ( I did coincide however that the g25 is to slow to return the wheel and for slower cars and drifting this is a massive issue)  ”Some of us DO have the seat moving too, but that is totally complementary to the wheel’s FFB, it mostly simulate G forces while the wheel transmits the forces from the tires” All the driving sims I have played   Rf1 , RF2 , LFS , I racing , Netkarpro  ,GTRevo , send Gforce information through the wheel and make a compromise non of them handle exactly like real cars part due to the underlying physics but also because the FFB is designed to convey things in real life you don’t get in a sim  ( and the fact most people don’t play with motion seats)  I’m sure the seat is grate and can make he exsperance more enjoyable but again given 50-100 laps an alien can probably put down the same lap time with or without the seat. ”I’d invite you over to test my rig if we were in the same country” lol that would be grate I like to play around with technology regardless of what I like or dislike or what is better or worse its all very interesting to me and I’m sure your setup would be really fun.  ”Oh, btw, sim racing is all about subjectivity and perception, it’s a virtual world, no science can tell my brain how I feel ;)”

Sure there are eliments of subjectivity especaily when it comes down to “enjoyment” but you can objectively test if one wheel is more acuret at specifc things than another , or if one simulator is closer to reality than another. and eventualy  if we don’t kill ourselves as a species , Science will tell you exactly why your brain is making you feel a certain way. 

“Thats not true I made it clear in my post that I’m sure the other wheels are better , offer stronger FFB better response and more detail ,  my point was do they gain you more time ?”

My point is : why do you care so much about time and performance ? This is about fun and immersion. And YES, a CSRE wheel gives me both of these over a G27 with its clunky mechanics never did. Every time I feel the motor kicking in the plastic gears, it disrupts me from my concentration because it doesn’t feel natural like a Fanatec wheel does. And that alone makes that I drive faster with my GT2 than with a G27.

“I’m sure the seat is grate and can make he exsperance more enjoyable but again given 50-100 laps an alien can probably put down the same lap time with or without the seat.”

Again, your obsession about lap time and speed. We are PLAYING my friend, not racing for our lives… Making the experience enjoyable is all there is to it, really, if you put your ego aside and play like an adult : with realism.

You seem obsessed with control… Learn to let go, life will be more enjoyable for you ;)

“My point is : why do you care so much about time and performance ? This is about fun and immersion.”

I don’t particualy , I actually race mostly for casual enjoyment ,however one of the key marketing points for these devices and the reason many people buy them or justify the cost is because they are told they make you drive faster.   ( even in this video the guy talks about how his lap times improved )      Also allot of people doing sim racing do it for the aspect of being the fastest this is why we have a lap time and significant stat tracking in most driving sims.  

“if you put your ego aside and play like an adult : with realism.” 

I already explained that the simulations are fundamentally unrealistic and the FFB is an abstraction due to the limitations of the software and consumer computing. 

So having these more advanced wheels although giving far better FFB over a shitty g25 will not come close to replicating the exsperance of driving a real car , although I agree it might be more enjoyable but I never disputed that from my very first comment.

The fact is sim racing is sim racing as a type of gaming its fine in and of itself.

But it is no substitute for real driving you could spend 50k on a sim rig and it wont come close to what even a 15k radical would give you I think its the case that allot of sim racers don’t have the money to do real world driving so they try and get the next best thing , carting  and then people that cannot even afford that do sim racing or a mix of sim racing and carting.  

I would think its likely the case most sim racers are not Interested in  simulation , they are actually interested in cars and racing but just don’t have the money. For me I’m actually more interested in simulation and software design and from that I have happened to spend allot of time around driving sims.   

‘competition is a trap from the ego to make you unhappy’

……..sorry………………motor racing is all about competition….thats kinda the point of it. what are you talking about. Driving around can be done for pure enjoyment, fair enough, but….in simracing….you tend to race against other people. Its 100% about competition.