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What?

What are they on about?

they see someone about to make money joining EA *which is a big $$$ company*, and decided to try to jump in on it by creating beef. This is what the economy comes to?? people try to do what they can to get some $$

I think the news says that they are considering taking legal action. So I guess it’s not already done, right? It’s just some way to obtain a reaction from EA and Slightly Mad, I think.

The news doesn’t say what the statements were, exactly…

Is there a particular article around concerning the statements made by those two supposedly against SimBin?

I think I found what it might be about… Look at Slightly Mad website and click “Games”.

It looks like they made all the games themselves…

You might be on to something Lens. Thing is, didn’t they technically make GTR, GTR2 and GTL or at least the core dev group did? Anyway, they probably don’t have rights to claim it without giving consideration to the *NEW* SIMBIN.

Slightly Mad Studios cannot claim they made GTR, GTR2 and GTL
because it’s only Blimey who did a part of the job.
Blimey is not anymore, so SMS’s statement is completely out of
law.

Slightly Mad Studios is the direct descendant or heir of the old SBDT mod team or the original Simbin, in therm of creative content. Todays Simbin’s owners (Henrik Roos and others, whoever…) only provided the funds necessary to create the company back than.

TBH, I would like to see a law suit here ! Because it is in fact Simbin who is misleading their customers and using unfair marketing practice to make people believe their newer titles like RACE, RACE07, GTR Evolution and so on are made by the authors of GTR, GT Legends and GTR2. They are NOT ! The dev team now known as Slightly Mad Studios is the sole responsible for those older titles, and they have nothing to do with Simbin’s newer titles.

Simbin is using the reputation of those older games to promote and sell their new games. Unfortunately, they probably really have contracts and copyrights that legally allows them to do so, but it is simply unfair practice. They are making profit based on such lies.

Ian Bell and his team, formerly SBDT/Simbin/Blimey and now Slightly Mad Studios, should have all the rights to claim at least the authorship of those titles, if not the copyright.

So what you are basicly saying is that if the whole apple design team, starts to work for micrrosoft. Microsoft can then claim the rights of the ipod and the mac…….Since the core team that has designed those products are now working for them.

That would make the world a lot more interesting!

LOL

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22336

Not really sure what Simbin are getting at. If anything you would think it’d be the other way round.

It’s just like Zusje says…

That’s the kind of things you put on your own personnal curriculum to get a job at a different studio. But if the studio says “hey we hired the guy who participated into doing this or this, look at what we’re capable of”, it’s not really good, right?

Look at the website, it’s written “copyright simbin, etc”, but in blurred lettering so it’s quite invisible…

(or it is Firefox…)

I guess there would not be an issue if they had written “some of our team has previously participated in the making of this and this game at SimBin studios”. But displaying the thing like they did, I guess it is normal to react.

What I don’t understand, though, is that they seem not to have tried to actually talk to Slightly Mad Studios and find an arrangement. At least, that’s what Ian Bell’s statement suggests. But who knows, maybe they did call Slighty Mad Studios, or sent a SMS (lol) ?

I forgot to change the rest of a sentence that I rewrote:

(no edit button…)

“But if the studio says “hey we hired the guy who participated into doing this or this, look at what we’re capable of”, it’s not really good, right?”

Should have been

“But if the studio says “hey we hired the guy who participated into doing this or this, look at what WE did”, it’s not really good, right?

So we cant mod or port our cv now?

Zusje is totally right here. Making a new NFS title doesn’t give you the right to do anything .

SMS is only claiming to comprise the core development team behind these games (which is, rather boringly for this debate perhaps, a matter of fact – the credits don’t lie, as anyone who digs around for long enough will discover) rather than any kind of copyright. I can’t find anything online where they have made any comments which effect SimBin in a negative way. Sour grapes anyone? Or just a tacky attempt to get some publicity? Or even SimBin running scared because it’s been trading on a reputation rightly earned by current Slightly Mad staff?

Blimey relesased only one demo (BMW Challenge) since they left the SimBin crew.
SimBin released four PC games and one Xbox 360 game in the meantime. Why should they be scared?

An argument for quality vs quantity if ever there was one

I think it’s funny that SimBim choose now to mention all this when Blimey and Slightly Mad have been saying the same thing for years. It’s almost as though there is a game coming out this month by Simbim… coincidence?

Carlton wrote: “Zusje is totally right here. Making a new NFS title doesn’t give you the right to do anything .”

What does that even mean? What has NFS got to do with the topic here?

Carlton, you seem very angry about all this. Why do you even care? Did you have shares in SimBin and 10T? ;)

to carlton:

yes right… Simbin released 4 exactly the same games (mods of GTR2 imo) only with different names and couple of different cars…

Seems Carlton has some inside info about SimBin titles…

http://www.virtualr.net/race-pro-demo-content-revealed/#comment-16236

So tell us, who are you really? Working for SimBin maybe

I still don’t understand what the legal action would be. In the statement SimBin are upset over (the one from the EA press release), it says, “Slightly Mad Studios includes developers and designers that worked on the critically acclaimed games GT Legends and GTR 2.” Which every one agrees, is true. So… what are they taking legal action over?

Just browsing their website, is this new? http://www.slightlymadstudios.com/about/

Their website changed totally !

Look at google cache for slightlymadstudios.com/games !

I made a screenshot:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4356/40587835pb5.jpg

OMG LENSFLARE YOU’RE RIGHT, they… CENTER ALIGNED AND PUT THE TEXT IN BOLD. Guilty as sin.

Can you blame them for trying to make SimBin happy, I doubt they want a fight, they are probably more interested in making videogames.

Actually, now I think about. Why do we all care? Let them sort it out themselves. If SMS have changed their site to reflect SimBin’s demands then SimBin should be happy. Maybe if they BOTH stop playing childish bitch fighting and got back to work then everyone can be happy.

You doubt they want a fight… That’s probably why they sent a lawyer to Virtualr.net because they did not like one user posted comment. (which is stupid because Virtualr cannot be responsible for user posted comments)

It’s not the fact that they change the text on the website, it’s more about the fact that Ian Bell claims that there’s nothing false on it and that SimBin’s lying, but changes it asap so that it’s reflects more the truth.

What do we care, well, it’s publically announced, so I guess we can comment on it, right?

I’m not sure I see any significant changes? GTR 2′s moved to the top of the list and a piece of text has been moved.

Details of the split have always been hush-hush, but it’s becoming apparent that Blimey Games were actually the sole developers of GTR 2. So I’m not sure what either party are really getting at here. SMS are surely well within their rights to claim that their team created the game? Why is this an issue all of a sudden?

Edit – Apologies, just saw the update on the other post. DON’T SUE ME!

I didn’t say a word.

/opera soap

so much for freedom of speech…referring to the other article…get a sniff of what’s actually happening and achmed yelling “SILENCE” is waiting just around the corner.

So many prams without any toys round here.

This whole story has to make you laugh, surely a cursory glance at the credit lists (or even MobyGames) will very quickly show where the ‘talent’ is.

So far as Blimey/SMS not releasing anything for a while, well neither have Polyphony Digital, but still the biggest game on everyone’s lips & the game to beat is GT5 – even though not many (if anyone) have seen the game beyond the rather bland DEMO.

Finally if it is the same lot who gave us the superb GTR (etc), then why is the latest release (Race360) so bad, achieving a distinctly average score (70 metacritic – reviews as bad as 50% by games) in official reviews, across all the areas which made the original games great. I’m sure we will all learn the truth whenever this ‘Shift’ game is released.

Sorry I meant Race Pro (on 360)

If it is ever released…

Sorry, I meant Need for Speed

Sorry, I meant Need for Speed by EA

Darn, website didn’t answer. Sorry for double post.