But me likes to use tracks and Cars seen in old Simbin Titles (Ferrari and Porsche which GTREvo is lacking) in GTR Evo. So, old content in new games seems fine for me. Content from new games to old games is bullshit.

Same is about Converting anything to RFactor. The quality of the conversions can’t reach the original so far i tested it.
Only HistoricGT comes close to the feeling of GTR Legends.

I am happy, that Simbin is publishing Racesims for the PC market, cause there isn’t anything comparable.

just my 2 cents
maxx

Face it: neither the community nor SimBin can prevent piracy, this is the internet, deal with it. Whoever asks for content protection is a fool, you can’t protect content on a PC. SimBin has been happily living from the money they made with games that add minimal content but charge the full price and expect to run this strategy ad infinitum and now that a lot of people who supported this strategy in the beginning are getting fed up and stop supporting it, they threaten us instead of finally produce a product that out rivals GTR2 in every aspect.

I dont think its fair to lay the finding of a solution at our door. Individuals in the community have no control over the actions of the others. All that can be done is for websites not to publish these conversions and any such conversions will go underground, albeit just limiting the damage.
The game makers themselves must take some responsibilty.
How can they complain about GTR-E content being ripped these days ? Surely with the community history they must have known it was going to happen. But it was unavoidable for 2 reasons. 1: By now enough people know how the GTR-E game engine and its file structures work so ripping was easy 2: GTR-E uses that same old game engine and file structure.

Apart from the sim community accepting its responsibilities (which I think it should), Simbins next PC title should have its content protected for its own good but still be open for add-on mods and content.

We as individuals can only do so much.

Then its not anymore a dissemble Moddingsceene against Simbin/Blimey..then its much more..then its a “Isi-Mod Communitie” against the World !
In this Sense..
“Bann Isi” :!: :?:

But Serios Guys:”
Asked yourself this 3 Questions.
1.Why did Simbin especially at this Time written his OpenLetter?
2.How can be ModdersWork the Reason for 10Tacles Bankruptcies, wich Simbin want telling us…?
3.is it really that unpredictable Earthquake now for Simbin..that they cant see this coming !?.

Sportsfriends…dont believe anything what Companies will telling you..in most Facts its an able subjective political Motivation, by using PseudoArguments if they start a new EvolutionPhilosophie.
Nobody in this Sceene could see this diffrent and a bit suspect if Simbin had shown his Warning Fingers around GTL/GTR2 Release..but now..directly with his start in the KonsoleMarket is this very very “cheap” and translucent where the Motivation for this OpenLetter targets.

Im a very proud Owner of each SimbinGame..but i have then a Question too, directly to Simbin :”
Could you explain us that unbelievable “BetaGame” Publishing from your first RACE Titel !?
This Game was horrible..absolutley BetaContent..within so enourmous technical Errors und offcourse an unaczeptable “Predator-Kapitalism” !
Ive never seen and heard any Apology, i never seen there an really needed MustHave-OpenLetter to there Fans and Customers..ive only seen well-grounded Ignorance, after thousands deep dissapointed SimbinFans..like me..

Guys….its nice to see that the “Communitie” is not that “BAD-Communtie” how they felt generally..we all can see now that our Communitie is a very serios and very healthy Solidarity..i cant defently accept this subjekttive negative “All-In” Argument..this Alibi-Argument from Simbins-Site to depreciate our Communtie.
For me its defenetly not the seriosts Kind of Art to Change Things wich are needed since Internet was born !

Warning OpenLetters to there Customers, to stop there complete Production is disconcerting and desolate for the Best HighClass Simulation Company in the World !
Its dilletantish. :!:

A heartsbloddy SimbinFan
Holger

Ramon van Rijn: Nice post m8

They started their “careers” by ripping off tracks from EA for their F1-2002 mod GTR 2002. I have alot of respect for that mod and any work they’ve done up until now.

But they face alienating the community thats supported them for so long by placing demands on us when they started out by doing exactly what they want to see stopped

Thats the same for this on-going conversion madness. You think you are right because you own the game(s). Wrong!

Reading the above comments, about they should make a ‘proper’ game etc.etc.
Why don’t you offer your help and start a new career at SimBin, because some of you think they can do it better.
GTR2 was indeed a great game for its era. But if you read a bit better on forums where reallife racers drove for example RACE07 or Evo, you will notice the latest SimBin titles are closer to reality than you might think.
A true simulation is not that it is hard to drive a car, like in GTR or GTR2. Everyone with a driving license your be able to drive a high-powered car and really fast too. The difference is approaching the limits, thats what physics and reality is based on. In this matter GTR2 is totally wrong and the current title right.

Almost every WTCC-weekend, real WTCC drivers try RACE 07 and all they can say its as close to reality as it can get. Same goes for the other classes in RACE 07.

Then we go to features; why are you still comparing features from one race-game to another. 24h Racing, driver swapping, etc.etc. Honestly, how many simracers do you think will actually do this? I don’t have the numbers but I think it will only be 1-3% of the drivers. Is it worth investing for only 1-3% of the customers to implement such features?
Why don’t I see those questions for Call of Duty 4 or Crysis/etc.etc. Where is the grafity gun from Half-Life2? Where is the BFG from Doom?
Very strange that simracers keep on demanding features. I am pretty sure every game developer needs to produce their game with a given budget in a given time, just like every decent project in a normal company.
They have to make choices and not every feature can be in it, its simply a matter of money/time and customer-base -> Read sales!

Finally their is the ongoing demand for licensed cars. As a commercial company you are not allowed to steal somebody’s property into a game. Modders think they can, but actually they are operating in a grey area. Real game developers needs permission for tracks/cars to include in a game. Sometimes free, some cheap, some expensive. You can’t invest $$$$ in content you will never get back in sales. The simracing world is just too small for it.
FIA GT is the main question in this. I am not sure why SimBin is not using this concept anymore, but I do know they got the FIA GT license at the time the Blimey-boys were in fact SimBin. Maybe the license is at Blimey? Maybe the license can’t be used anymore because the original FIA GT series from the past does not exist anymore. Its changed at least 2 times in the last years!

To conclude my essay; I own/rent most of the current and past simracing games (iRacing, GTR-series, GTL, rFactor, LFS) and I enjoy almost all of them. Each game has good things and flaws. We can’t simply have it all in one game. The future will decide for us.

PS. I am Admin for RaceDepartment.com; RaceDepartment will in no way run or host illegal mods/tracks for their community. We love the simracing industry and will try helping in their survival, no matter if its SimBin, ISI, LFS or the really creative mod-groups!

Thanks for reading.

erm… what ISI stuff ? The Hammer and the Houston car ? The Toban circuit maybe ?
ISI’s rFactor is open and 99% of the content is 3rd party stuff, not ISI’s.

Wil – “This statement seems like just a justificative for moving to console market which them are already doing.”

Well I dont suppose we can dismiss this possibility. It would be a shame if they did leave the PC behind. After all their roots are here and they are where they are now largely because of the community.

I still see a few people saying how they are personally affected. This isnt about 1 single individual who might own all the games so thinks its ok for the conversions to exist, or the person who would buy a track for $40 (How many others would ? – The company cannot plan around an individual).
The bigger picture is the community.
I dont paticularly like the undertone of the part of Simbins statement that basically says ’stop conversions or no more games’. Not the most diplomatic way to handle things but then again I dont think you get very far being nice and soft around here :)
Simbins next game should be with a new engine and support for file encryption for their data.
With Race and GTRE its fairly open to extract the data and what they are saying now is the equivalent of “The door of my house is open but I dont want anyone to come in and steal anything from me or I`ll move house !”
The answer obviously is, get a lock on the door then.
But that doesnt mean you have to stop inviting people in.
I think you can still encrypt your own game files but leave the game open to additional 3rd party content.
That must be where the answer lies.