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Great news :)

Finally a working tool for max 9. Could never get VLM’s tool to work in 9 and they didn’t seem to want to update it.

What about 64 Bit Plugins?

How nice. But where’s rFactor2? Still no release date….I think we might see GT6 first. I’m only whining because I got into this gender about 3-4 yrs ago with GTR1 just before GTR2 came out. Then a I found out about rFactor and held off from buying it because they were talking about rFactor2 in maybe a year or so. I think it’s been well over 2yrs now and no end in sight. Why so long? I guess they must be selling well still but I’m not going to give in now.

power to the people! and people still question the fact ISI relies entirely on illegal material made by free labor to sell their rFactor copies! SRW is HOLY compared to ISI!
rFactor = brigde to illegal wonderland but hey ISI is just constructing the bridge! I wonder if there’s anything iRacing and Simbin for example could do legally to question ISI on this “bridge”!
I’m not bashing ISI rFactor is by a huge margin my favorite sim!

@FooAtari
I completely agree with you but if you see lately courts are giving copyrights holders wins in every case in court on torrents for example. First Piratebay last week Mininova was ordered to remove all content protected by copyrights from their site even if “they didn’t host it”. Can you race online illegal work in rFactor? Yes you can even Simbin’s titles you can! Is it possible to restrain illegal material online? Yes it is! Then why don’t we see ISI doing that? Because no one would buy rFactor!
ISI is legal no question on that! But are judges dumb? No just like we aren’t. The only way of really knowing what would happen is if some big company take ISI to court and all would be clear as crystalline water ! And I bet ISI wouldn’t enjoy the same kind of free pass it has now.

This belongs here now!

FooAtari: It doesn’t really matter what the main use of rFactor is. Fact is ISI do not include any illegal content in their software when you buy the game.Holding them responsible for the content of mods and what people choose to do with their game is a bit like holding the developer of torrents responsible for all the copyright infringement.It’s a completely legal technology. It’s not his fault that it’s main use is for the distribution of copyrighted material.The fact remains that weather the mod is scratch made or not. If it’s based on a real life series it is using copyrighted and trademarked logos without a licence to do so.You can spin it any way you like but it is not legal.What SRW are doing may be questionable.But as others have said it’s very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black when mod groups complain about SRW.Furthermore I have never used SRW but all mods are freely available to download you just pay for faster downloads and online racing. And well surely the fees they charge cover the server costs which do not come for free.As others have said, 99% of this problem between SRW and modders is full of holes and grey areas and NO ONE is completely innocent.

To the best of my knowledge ISI never released tools to aid the development of vehicle dynamics. I wonder why???

I bet they wondered why they bothered now.

Alex: I bet they wondered why they bothered now.

I was thinking the same thing. These arguments get so old. Everyone is a freaking copyright lawyer around here. No one is dumb.. we all know modding is a little shady. Please people, move on and enjoy the hobby for gods sake.

I found that none of the plugins work with max, I have got max 8, max9 and max2008 here, but only the original plugin works with max8, the new ones work with none of my max installs.

To the best of my knowledge ISI never released tools to aid the development of vehicle dynamics. I wonder why???

Alex: I bet they wondered why they bothered now.

Ho! Ho! Ho! ;) Now back to work elves!

The havent released vehicle dynamics tools because they dont need to, everything about the physics is editable via a text editor.

Arnold Carter Wong: I found that none of the plugins work with max, I have got max 8, max9 and max2008 here, but only the original plugin works with max8, the new ones work with none of my max installs.

I’m having the same issue with 9. Will give it a shot again later.

scca1981: I’m having the same issue with 9. Will give it a shot again later.

I found that it doesn’t work with max8 to max 2009( will test it on 2010 later), maybe someone should ask ISI about it.

Finally!

Can’t wait to give this a try :)

Thanks ISI!

Regards

Oh man, the same thing always again and again..

Yes, sure, Felipe. It’s much better to have closed platforms without any possibility to mod it, isn’t it?. Personally i don’t care even a bit if the cars bundled with rF aren’t real or aren’t the better looking ones. Even if it had real cars i think people buy it because the amount of content released for it. And it has such amount because it’s the easiest to mod. Starting because you don’t have to decrypt any file, which IMO is not very legal…

These guys have produced the engine which supports not only the more complete modding platform out there right now (rF), but also GTR2, GTL and other great genre titles, which in the other hand are even better thanks to the content modders have created for them (yep, without paying to any car manufacturer also).

And believe me, if you know something about programing you already know that creating a proper graphics engine, physics engine, etc is indeed much harder than any modelling or skinning you can do, no matter how good it is…

Apart of that, almost in any gaming genre, those games with modding capabilities probe to be among the most successful and popular in their genres. And that’s because of something.

But it’s fine. No matter how the game is, there’s always somebody claiming about something. But yes, nothing is perfect in life :)

Let’s better come back to topic. Frankly is more interesting :)

Regards

FYI:

New GMT Tools would seem to work fine with Max2010, though I haven’t had time to test tool output thoroughly. BTW: GMT Toolset is v2.45c

Could not get tools to install in Max8, seems to be a compatibility issue. I tried a number diagnostic solutions to no avail…

I have no means to test Max9…

Cheers,

felipe: power to the people! and people still question the fact ISI relies entirely on illegal material made by free labor to sell their rFactor copies! SRW is HOLY compared to ISI!
rFactor = brigde to illegal wonderland but hey ISI is just constructing the bridge! I wonder if there’s anything iRacing and Simbin for example could do legally to question ISI on this “bridge”!

How many servers do you see online hosting illegal Simbin conversions? Yes, there are several, but it’s ridiculously nothing comparing to scratch made mods. Besides that, those conversions are rubish, except the HistoricGT mod, which is either great and legal mod.
ISI make these fantastic tools so you can enjoy great scratch mods, then each author talks for himself, I can’t why has ISI to be blamed on what others do. You can also see not much legal conversions from ISI content to Simbin titles. If you blame ISI you also had to blame Sim-Garage, for another great tool such as 3DSimed which consequently makes conversions a lot easier.
And thus, the majority of SimRacing communities, forbids any reference to illegal conversions at their places, and you may be sure, if all these would bother Simbin that much… huh… they’re not blind, man.

felipe: power to the people! and people still question the fact ISI relies entirely on illegal material made by free labor to sell their rFactor copies! SRW is HOLY compared to ISI!
rFactor = brigde to illegal wonderland but hey ISI is just constructing the bridge! I wonder if there’s anything iRacing and Simbin for example could do legally to question ISI on this “bridge”!
I’m not bashing ISI rFactor is by a huge margin my favorite sim!@FooAtari
I completely agree with you but if you see lately courts are giving copyrights holders wins in every case in court on torrents for example. First Piratebay last week Mininova was ordered to remove all content protected by copyrights from their site even if “they didn’t host it”.

felipe,

Thats not the same thing. You will notice they do not go after the DEVELOPERS of the torrent technology, they is going after sites that allow you yo search for copyrighter material.

ISI do not HOST any mods or infringing data on their site. They do not distribute it, they do not create it. ISI cannot in anyway be held responsible for what people do with their software, the same as the developers of the torrent technology can not be held responsible for what people do with their technology. They have nothing to do with the sites that index copyright material. In this case sites like TPB, Mininova are analogous with Simraceway. Who I could be held responsible as they host the mods.

Blaming ISI for illegal mods or torrent tech for distribution of copyright material is like blaming Ford for people put illegal mods on their cars.

Will we ever see blender support? Free modding tools alongside a free, professional 3d modelling program would make a good mix.

the tools work fine, however unless you have rF2 you won’t be able to get any use for them as that is what they are for.

ignore previous post…was on crack or something when I wrote that

My guess is ISI just upgraded to Max2010 and needed to fix the plugins for their own use.

scca1981: Finally a working tool for max 9. Could never get VLM’s tool to work in 9 and they didn’t seem to want to update it.

That’s because the 3DSmax script language was changed in version 9 and the tool developer’s license is only for version 8. If he gets an updated license he will probably update the tool(s) also.

Does every post here have to turn to a legal discussion? Come on guys surely you have something better to do.

Vince, that’s understandable.

ISI could at least Have a, “Do not use these tools for any illigal modding”, disclaimer at the top.