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The Spa screenshot is really good, the whole track is alive now :)

lol @ video for two screenshots (which again lower the quality of the screens).
i want to see the original screenshots.

Not impressed at all.

against GT5 it looks quite ugly, yes. at least the suspension of them formula 1 cars seem to be quite detailed.

Tensor: against GT5 it looks quite ugly, yes. at least the suspension of them formula 1 cars seem to be quite detailed.

No, not ugly: REAL. Compared to GT5 rFactor2 looks less candy coloured HDR like and much more understated cool and realistic. Models are a different thing. Here all the GT games has allways been king of the hill.

rFactor2 looks to pick up the understated graphics of iRacing. Besides not using crazy 3d effects for which you need the newest hardware it also looks far more realistic. GT5 has a tendency to look supernatural and over detailed.

Some of the iRacing screens looks almost photo realistic. I bet we will see the same thing with rFactor2

I came.

sry, but when i watch the new iracing video with the mustang, that just makes me yawn. it doesn’t play with special effects and the only advantage rF2 and iracing will have over GT5 will be the high resoultion, which makes the scenery look so clear and sharp. but nothing else, that doesn’t make it realistic.
GT5 may be a bit over the top in regards to special effects, but no doubt it sets standards, and every racing game has to compare itself to it in the future. and in comparison to GT5 (which represents 100%), rFactor may get 40% and iracing 60%.
i don ‘t wanna say anything about rF2, cause i just don’t understand why they only hand out tiny screenshots or youtube videos for two screenshots. wether they hide the true potential. or they hide their lack of power.

1,22 minutes of video to show only 2 static screenshots.
Strange way to demand attention…

Buying rFactor2 is a given for most Sim racers. It’s got to have some improvements. Coloring of pics was better then most present mods, which tend to look cartoonish. (colors to bright). But can’t tell much about the lighting in a still. So let’s see a good video already.

Im impressed with the cockpit screenshot….shame ISI doesnt have a marketing department though :P

Jos:
Im impressed with the cockpit screenshot….shame ISI doesnt have a marketing department though :P

ISI needs hire someone to or do their own marketing if they really want to get their sims out to the public eye. They’re only popular in a small group due to word of mouth and sim racing websites, basically. I dunno if you’ve realized, but most people in the world don’t go to sim racing sites either.

Can we get some original versions of the screenshots please? Or could someone post the two pics from the video as JPEGs in the highest res possible (1080p?) for those of us on really crappy internet connections?

Spa’s ss looks fantastic!

Tensor:
GT5 may be a bit over the top in regards to special effects, but no doubt it sets standards, and every racing game has to compare itself to it in the future. and in comparison to GT5 (which represents 100%), rFactor may get 40% and iracing 60%.

So you prefer graphics over physics?

The F1 screenshot in the historical Spa looks great! Cannot wait for this to be released.

Hope, ISI will improve the AI behavior in rF2, since they are facing a strong competition from iRacing in the online league market. So ISI will need to attract also the offline PC sim racers, as they are the other majority in the sim racing market.

mmmmmm, don´t like graphicaly

Klaas Jan:
So you prefer graphics over physics?

i prefer stunning grafics and sound and physics.

Klaas Jan:
So you prefer graphics over physics?

No: we simply would like to have graphic up to the current standards.

Tensor:
i prefer stunning grafics and sound and physics.

Too bad you only get 2 out of those 3 with the ‘games’ you are using for comparison.

wow..2 screenshots. Joy of joys ..static screenshots. Please let me buy this now as I can’t wait any longer.

lol… same graphics of years ago

modders marketing is better than isi (as graphics and improvements)

oh look…it’s the same old photos from the laptop (lol) presentation a few months back and what a surprise it’s like nothing have changed since then,oh well,i guess we have to get used to the idea that the rf team still lives in the 2005 era

Those were the days!

Am I the only one who thinks that the graphics of Toca RD 3 are almost good enough?

I mean, if I look at the screen from a distance in TRD3, it looks almost photo-realistic to me, and it also has sun reflections. With an older graphics engine.

What we need is not more detailed textures in rFactor or iRacing, just better colour management, with more contrast between sun-lit areas and the shadows. HDR would be a plus. Not everything grey, or everything sand coloured. We have a very nice sky in the first picture, but the car and the track and the shadows are all grey coloured.

OTOH, those older F1 cars will totally make me buy rFactor2 without hesitation.

fxs: lol… same graphics of years ago
modders marketing is better than isi (as graphics and improvements)

It all sounds really improved to me. The cars have real time Emaps for real time reflections on the cars now, dynamic lighting with shadowmaps, proper HDR, shaders, and multithreading. A lot of that is hard to see in a small static screenshot.

The fact is there is still nothing like it on a console and on an console i’d happily take a hit in graphics if it meant proper sim gameplay that Rfactor has.

I’m sure there will be graphical improvements and if mods want to add to that then fair enough. On rFactor Its all free anyway.
You don’t get that on a console – you just get the graphics.
You pay for everything else.

My only issue with Rfactor is that its unoptimised on NV spec machines and doesn’t appear to make use of multicore processors.
I still can’t field say…30 cars of Historix cars on certain tracks without large framerate hits.
And I’m running a Q9450 and GX2 9800 which should be fairly powerful given the age of the game.

free2game365:
It all sounds really improved to me. The cars have real time Emaps for real time reflections on the cars now, dynamic lighting with shadowmaps, proper HDR, shaders, and multithreading. A lot of that is hard to see in a small static screenshot.

Is it really confirmed that the cars have realtime emaps? There is no screenshots that confirms that.

Hi all,

trying to focus on the details, not the final quality of the photos, please.

I believe that change on the graphics will go beyond mere cosmetic change, and will be another level of investment, because ISI has always demonstrated a high level in this regard.

Greetings community.

Firestarter: Is it really confirmed that the cars have realtime emaps? There is no screenshots that confirms that.

with a tiny static screenshot some guys knows how FFB will be

Firestarter:
Is it really confirmed that the cars have realtime emaps? There is no screenshots that confirms that.

Gjon wrote about it years (literally) ago on Twitter: when he was still using it to give news about rF2 he once wrote “I have to take a screen with real time reflections”. But we’re still waiting. It would really be a shame to release rF2 without that feature: it really adds a lot to the sense of realism.

ISI – please look at how Codies market F1-2010 – high res screenshots, high res videos, lots of technical detail on what is in the physics and what isn’t.

Either the steering wheel or the camera position on the Matra need sorting out. The wheel does not obscure the rev counter.

Impressive screens, that grand prix car looks highly detailed at first glance, and the light/horizon effect on first one looked just as good. I’m glad rF2 will get such nice default content to start with, rather than the old fictional stuff that came with rF. I’d take rF2 over GT5 anytime

I’d like to smack the douche bag who thought that it’s a great idea to take two screen shots, add a Ken Burns effect and then release them as a YouTube video. Epic waste of bandwidth.

Howie47: Buying rFactor2 is a given for most Sim racers. It’s got to have some improvements. Coloring of pics was better then most present mods, which tend to look cartoonish. (colors to bright). But can’t tell much about the lighting in a still. So let’s see a good video already.

Glad you said most there :)

With the money I invest in iRacing I can’t really justify spending time or money on another sim. (although at the moment I have left my sub lapse as little time to race) If rFactor2 was more realistic then maybe I would stop paying for iRacing. But let’s face it, most modders have access to little or no data so mods are a best guess when it comes to physics.

Having got used to the quality of iRacing I can’t see me getting much satisfaction from rF2. But I will of course be trying any demo :)

The other problem I had with rfactor was the huge fragmentation of the community across many mods and also the utter childishness of most drivers in public servers. Sadly leagues don’t really fit in with my life.

Still, all said I hope it turns out to be a good sim that satisfies it’s fans :D

Tomás de la Fuente: Hi all,
trying to focus on the details, not the final quality of the photos, please.I believe that change on the graphics will go beyond mere cosmetic change, and will be another level of investment, because ISI has always demonstrated a high level in this regard.Greetings community.

Despite being photoshoped the estoril screen looked fresh, however this is a major stepdown.

Sorry but i dont understand how the communication is done. A video to show 2 screens, and it’s not even High Resolution…

belzebutt: I’d like to smack the douche bag who thought that it’s a great idea to take two screen shots, add a Ken Burns effect and then release them as a YouTube video. Epic waste of bandwidth.

Now that’s just being rude Your mostly forgeting the fact that two new screens showing rF2 have been released.

Since when did the simracing community give two shits about marketing?

Most of you sound like kids whose parents won’t buy them a treat at the store….”Wah wah wah! ISI do what I want or be dammned”

Any of you expecting the same graphics of GT5 from a dozen guys in a small office are delusional.

well.. thats why they still dozen guys in a small office

Well, it`s good that rF2 is not out yet, imagine all the vuvuzela mods we would have had then.

Firestarter: Well, it`s good that rF2 is not out yet, imagine all the vuvuzela mods we would have had then.

LOOOL

It’s true though, this is by far the most preposterous way of showing screenshots I can think of. The poor soul who did this went out of their way to give a good impression… it’s really quite confusing.

Anyway, it’s no surprise GT5 got a mention after the influx of e3 news. I saw the same disgruntled comments over at GTP from time to time. E.g. how the TopGear test track in GT5 was miles better than the rFactor mod wannabe. Comments like that have no place. Professionals vs hobbyist, Funding and resources vs guys sitting at home for free. The argument falls flat on it’s face.

Making games is getting harder. Improving graphics year by year is an enormous struggle of man power and investment. Only the giants can do it, which is remarkable for GT5 and Valve considering they have the smaller teams.

In the case of ISI I wouldn’t be surprised if they hit a metaphorical brick wall after 2005 for graphics capabilities with the gMotor engine. Wait and see what GTR3 looks like to get the confirmation on this however. At least we know the niche hasn’t collapsed at it’s still good for a couple of years.

first watched the screens of GT5 two articles below. Then I looked here and I was ….confused :D

It looks better than rFactor 1, but still not up to date. Maybe, the physics are great, but the sizzle sells the steak

So, the graphics are outdated, but that means I can run it on my laptop. Hooray!

If you’re saying “this hardly looks better than RF1″ or “Those look real” then you’re talking out your arse. Put on your reading glasses and look again.
I just watched that video and it’s way too low-quality to judge the detail.

With that low resolution, the only difference that can be picked out compared to GT5 screenshots is that the colours are relatively dull/grey/desaturated. Personally I think some more colour is in order when the sun is out, it should only look that dull when the weather very overcast. But then that could just be due to the low quality video.

Can ISI please release the screenshots to someone that isn’t going to do something stupid like exclusively put them in a blurry YouTube video? Like maybe send them to VirtualR so we can see them properly in JPEG format?

rF2 will surely be X times better than GT5…

…not

I smell a fanboy.

Sorry but rFactor (2)is really looking like CRAP!

(But Sounds and Physics are great!) (rf 1 – 2 of course too – I think)

And please stop the “I don’t need better graphics bla bla”

Maybe you should buy a Xbox 360 if you don’t want to upgrade your systems (I see no other reason than crap PCs why someone should defend this crappy graphics)

And next gen Graphics don’t mean mass HDR and Bloom. Okay maybe for Codefuckers and Milestone :P

Look Forza 4 – there is no mass HDR and how fine it is looking ( http://sommergemuese.klee.in/2010/06/forza-motorsport-4-beeindruckende-bilder-videos/ ) – the Screens are no Renders!!!

Or watch Shift with a brand new Mod: http://sommergemuese.klee.in/2010/06/need-for-speed-shift-better-visuals-mod/

This is how rFactor 2 should look. Oh dont tell us the physics needs too much power for this graphics. Maybe for 2005 gMotor 2 Stoneage Engine. Shift is using more PC Power for the Engine calculations than for gMotor Games and looking stunning. (If SMS want they could do easily driving like rFactor 2 or better – but the problem was EA … Maybe we have luck to see the true power of their Shift Engine in the next title hopefully without EA suckers)

GT5: ARCADE driving game.
rF2: SIMULATOR racing game.

Little diference…

P.S. http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9380/1276268849866.gif

Sommergemüse: Look Forza 4 – there is no mass HDR and how fine it is looking ( http://sommergemuese.klee.in/2010/06/forza-motorsport-4-beeindruckende-bilder-videos/ ) – the Screens are no Renders!!!

Correct me if I’m wrong but I saw a car rendered onto a picture of the desert taken in a panoramic shot…

Tensor: lol @ video for two screenshots (which again lower the quality of the screens).
i want to see the original screenshots.

I agree. I don’t know why they won’t post some high res full detail shots.

Sommergemüse: And please stop the “I don’t need better graphics bla bla”Maybe you should buy a Xbox 360 if you don’t want to upgrade your systems (I see no other reason than crap PCs why someone should defend this crappy graphics)

Its not about defending graphics. The thing is, good sir, that the way the world is today we can either enjoy nice physics and (in your eyes) bad graphics or sweet visuals and totally useless gameplay. I for sure will go for the first one.

I am disappointed in the lighting.

The track, terrain and other objects are some of the most realistic i have seen in any sim/game yet. The car in the 1st screen could look a bit better, but thats mainly the shaders that need work, not the models or textures. The 2nd screen looks superb, I have no complaints at all for that pic.

I say great job ISI! rFactor 2 is looking great so far, a huge improvement over rFactor 1.

To say “rFactor is a sim and GT5 a arcade game ist like talking bullshit. Most of us played this series for a long time and had more fun playing GT than rFactor.

I played GT Legends more than rFactor, for example, because I like the handling more. To say, rFactor is more sim like other games is just ignorant.

Is is important to mediate a good driving felling and not to only read the game describtion (what some of you do). Some of you just cling on the facts, ISI gave you. But it is a big difference between the data, a developer gives you and how it really feels. And that is a decision of the player.

For some of us, the GT series sends enough precision of accurate driving to have fun and we have the plus of best graphics. Enough for me, because I just carry about the complete package and not only about one point of it.

Big Ron: To say “rFactor is a sim and GT5 a arcade game ist like talking bullshit. Most of us played this series for a long time and had more fun playing GT than rFactor.

So you have played GT5 for a long time and knows everything?

Big Ron: series sends enough precision of accurate driving to have fun and we have the plus of best graphics. Enough for me, because I just carry about the complete package and not

GT feel an arcade game and rFactor feel an simulator game……………..

And the reason is simple, GT does sell millions of copies, if it were a pure simulator will result frustrating for the 95% of potential buyers.

GeraArg: GT feel an arcade game and rFactor feel an simulator game……………..And the reason is simple, GT does sell millions of copies, if it were a pure simulator will result frustrating for the 95% of potential buyers.

I mentioned, that GT5 will not have the accuracy in physics like iRacing or rFactor. But I have a different point of view for racing games like you have. For me, it is better to have a complete package with good results in every part of a game….for you, just physics is important.

And for those, who need to have a more accurate physics-system thand standard, they implemented the pro mode ;)

i wouldn’t judge on GT5 physics without playing it. from one le mans video it was clearly visible that you can spin around the car very easily if you play too arcadish, you need more feeling on throttle, brake and steering than in old GTs when you chose simulation setting, that is a fact.

but it is also clear why the PC sim racers always rely on the physics. we don’t have anything else to keep up with the modern generation of games in regards of gfx and presentation. so we have to strongly believe that rFactor is so realistic, only because it is harder to drive than console games.
poor thing…

but at least it makes my day to read all those “wow, nice job ISI. looks great!” comments. dunno how someone can judge this at this ultra bad quality of the video or all those tiny screen they released. desolation²

Hey, I’m posting here because out of boredom I went to see if they had anything on InsidesimracingTV the other day. And no site! so I thought maybe they’re just working on it.
I went back today. And no site! Are they out of business?

Last time I’ve seen one off they’re show was before the Rfactor2 incident. Now I almost feel guilty (not really).
Does anyone knows what happened?

Why rF2 doesn’t have good graphics? There are several reasons.

1. The artists they are working with don’t have the skills to create detailed game models and good textures.
2. It seems ISI doesn’t have enough man power to improve the graphics coding.
3. They are aiming the outdated computer market.
4. It seems loads of the guys from the community don’t have money to buy a better display card. Come on, you need money to have your interests, even for me, a poor student, I build a new PC and buy a new steering wheel in every 2 years. Save your money from the beers to have your hobby.

And who said that graphics are not important? If the screen looks true to life, then it feels more realistic too.

rFactor 2 has bad graphics because the community have bad GPU`s? Haha, give me a link to that survey.

I agree good visuals improves immersion a lot, but I think its like in all genres of games: The best graphics are in the multi-million productions aimed at the mass markets. The casual gamer likes shiny things and brake assist. Those who are expecting ISI to have the resources to hire 100 people for 5 years to make rF2 look as good as GT5 are – I`m sorry to say so – stupid. ISI are aiming at a different market, although many here seem to think GT5 will be a full on sim with Crysis graphics. (If that was so I would cheer, a PS3 costs less than my gpu)

Bla bla bla we can’t say this, can’t say that.

Let’s wait a video in HD with rF2 in motion.

Fuck GT5 and its physics, it becomes ugly for me as soon as i see its physics behaving.

Fuck Iracing with its high prices + bad physics + inferior graphic engine.

Bad physics in iRacing now? Say no to drugs.

They continue with the discussion about the graphics…

Look at iRacing, is “simple” but it looks REAL, this is the right way…

That discussion always will come up when a new screenshot is shown – and mostly from people who never meant to buy rfactor 2 anyway…

What can I say, I like the graphics shown on the screenshots so far. I guess it’s just because I focus on other details and don’t regard rfactor 2 as a mainstream product.

Common guy`s , wake up. All we ever got to see from rF2 are a few small lowres, over compressed pictures. How can anyone make any kind of statement about the quality or features. ?

Its almost ridiculous reading what people suck out of their thumb.

Thankfully the standard graphic card have 1 GB of memory. It should be good enough for detailed tracks and cars that are made by the community.

Now, hopefully ISI makes a plugin for 3DSMax 2011.

Anyway, i`m sure rFactor 2 will be a success, the modding community have some great people, and i`m sure there is plenty of up and coming people in that community. It`s the community that shapes the rFactor franchise and not some old greedy board of directors.

The graphics are 2nd to the realism. Screenshots are still an improvement over Rfactor 1, so im happy.
We had already seen the shot of Spa, im suprised they put it in a movie which lowered the quality.
I’ll wait patiently for RF2.

I don’t want to critize other games too much, everyone should play what he or she wants. I personally want realism and i do not own a console.

Hi guys and girls I am the person who did this video. I have just uploaded a HD version which shows the two screenshots in much higher Res. I am working with Gjon to get some new screenshots plus hopefully a video sometime soon in the future. I have also created a new youtube page just for rfactor called rfactor 2 so will not be hard to find.