rFactor 2 – Open Beta Now Available

Image Space Incorporated has launched the open beta stage of their rFactor 2 simulation as interested sim racers can now give a content-limited version of the new title a try.

The beta version lets players sample most of the simulation’s features and several content items, including the historic Spa Francorchamps & Monaco Circuits as well as modern machinery and tracks.

The beta version also comes with modding capabilities, allowing the rFactor 2 modding community to get accustomed to the new features rFactor 2 offers to content creators.

Included Content

Historic

  • 1966 Brabham BT20
  • Spa-Francorchamps ’66
  • Monte Carlo ’66

Modern

  • Formula Renault 3.5
  • Renault Megane Trophy
  • Mills Metropark
  • Sepang International
  • Autódromo do Estoril

The beta version comes with most features of the finished version, ISI points out that some of the features are in different stages of completion, hence the beta status.

Features

  • Single Player
  • Multi Player
  • Developer mode
  • Development Tools
  • What Documentation we have for those tools to date (in the WIP state)
  • Rain
  • Wet/Dry track transition
  • Dynamic track elements (Groove/Marbles)
  • New Tire Model
  • New physics
  • New Collision
  • HDR (with other Post FX to come)
  • Access to beta updates and new/updated content as they become available

Helpful links:

rFactor 2 Installation Guide

Beta Version Preview by SimHQ

rFactor 2 FAQ Forums

To get access to the the beta, a full retail purchase of rFactor 2 is required. rFactor 2 sells for $43.99, including 18 months of online account membership instead of the 12 months buyers of the final version will receive. The licensing purchase happens within the rFactor 2 launcher as described in the installation guide.

Important: Make sure to download the content files below as well when purchasing the beta!

Download rFactor 2 Open Beta Here (ISI Forums)

Download rFactor 2 Open Beta Here (Direct Download Mirror)

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  • Chima Madujibeya

    at last :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jan-Wim-Ensing/100001004162906 Jan Wim Ensing

    Oh yeah!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Samuel-Korthof/100001700529856 Samuel Korthof

    The Eagle has landed!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

    Lol, whole thing has collapsed the forum, hilarious!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=626905826 Timothy Wheatley

      I’m killing queries when they stack up, it shouldn’t crash as long as I keep watching it. :)

  • Ricoo

    A long and painful wait is over. Fun will at last begin. :)

    Best wishes for ISI with this new great Sim!

  • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

    sensational

  • http://twitter.com/Pabig93 Pascal H.

    If the game would be free I would download it now. But I don’t want to buy a game when 95% of the content will be free community made content.

    • Ricoo

      Buy the game and donate to modders… problem solved and you can enjoy the game. :)

      • http://twitter.com/Pabig93 Pascal H.

        But I don’t want to pay for the game. So problem NOT solved. They should simply make it Freeware!

      • Ricoo

        In my country we have a motto : “All work deserves wage”.  And I am sure rFactor 2 is a great work that deserves it a lot.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1640204661 Pashalis Gergis

         Then let us enjoy it. C’mon you can pay 12$ or whatever the price is for
        a game you will play for years, you dont pay the content but the GAME
        and its features and ofcourse you also help the ISI to upgrade the
        game… Think about it and if you don’t like it play sth else.

      • http://www.facebook.com/moppenheimer Mike Oppenheimer

        Then dont buy it and shut the hell up…No one has a gun to your head making you buy the thing…

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        I hate moaning gits like you. Boofookinhooo, I dont wanna pay. Waaaah!

      • Anonymous

        Pascal you’re a fool, as are those who ‘liked’ your post.

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        I aint a fool , I also pressed the wrong button replying to that dick, so I reckon nobody has really “liked” his posts as yet :-)

      • Anonymous

        You sir, are exonerated :)  

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        Ta very much *doffs cap*

      • Anonymous

        Hehe :)

      • Anonymous

        Freeware?   To play on your free uber PC?   Using free electricity?  In your free house?  

        And for it to last all Eternity?   

        Yes, good point.

      • Marco Conti

        I am having a hard time understanding why that should be. I assume you work for a living or that at least someone in your family does or did. Why didn’t you donate your time then? 
        What’s that? You what to eat and pay for housing? So do the ISI folks. 
        I am really curious to know the logic behind the “they should make it freeware”. 

      • Olivier Prenten

        Do you really think ISI is working for years on that project for nothing???
        Do you work for nothing? I don’t think so! ;)
        LOL…

    • Anonymous

      Jesus i pressed the like tab by accident,should have been the reply tab :( , are you taking the piss, the modders, didn’t make the physic engine or the graphics engine, or any of the base component, that make up the ISI motor engine that powers rfactror 1 or 2, with out the engine, there would be no mods……end of.

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        Good post, some people though are too thick to get your point.

      • Anonymous

        Like err…..click ‘like’ again, and it unlikes the like you liked.

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      Dont buy it then, no one else is bothered whether you buy it or not so shut up moaning and go play summat else then, you boring git.

    • http://twitter.com/SMelhuish Simon Melhuish

      Its a new game not a sodding mod so if you dont want to pay that no one will be bothered if you dont.

  • Adrian Herrera

    Happy rFactor2 Beta day to all my fellow sim racers! lol

  • Ricoo

    I am so excited I won’t sleep all night. :)

  • Mike Cimuchowski

    Best birthday present ever!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=626905826 Timothy Wheatley

    First car on your list is not in the beta at this time. :)

    • http://twitter.com/julien_geekinc julien

      i don’t think so, i’ve already download the RF3.5 mod package !

      • http://www.facebook.com/moppenheimer Mike Oppenheimer

        He means the Brabham.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Siggers Ross Siggers

    HELL YES. YES. OH YES. JUST…YESSSS

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZQ3DPV4WCFUTWZLV3YCGP7AQDI NateDawg

    is there an html download link?

  • Olivier Prenten

    And I’m so happy to be in the loop now!!!

  • Anonymous

    F**k  nearly had a heart attack, can’t be an april fool again…… Boomshanka !…..Get in !

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1640204661 Pashalis Gergis

     Then let us enjoy it. C’mon you can pay 12$ or whatever the price is for a game you will play for years, you dont pay the content but the GAME and its features and ofcourse you also help the ISI to upgrade the game… Think about it and if you don’t like it play sth else.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

    Download complete… Damn my rig isn’t ready yet, this is too soon ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.mullins Paul Mullins

    Great news.. but 30 mins before I start work is just cruel :)

  • Eric Zehnder

    @Pascal
    This Beta is not for you. It’s for people willing to pay to get in early on the development. You get to play the game earlier, skew development, and otherwise contribute. pCARS is the same way. If you don’t like it then please feel free to wait for your “quality” “free games” that will never come.

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      Well said.

  • http://twitter.com/julien_geekinc julien

    Holy shit !

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

    Rejoice for it is Christmas Day. It is Christmas isn’t it :-))

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TEXKD4UNSOYHEJWGMYTHNBTTWU Danny

      The physics are terrible, who did them? MMG?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1624631567 Coen van den Nulft

    Does anyone know how to install the content packs i’ve downloaded here before?

  • http://twitter.com/julien_geekinc julien

    Purchase process is so laggy !

    • Anonymous

      It’s bound to be though really.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Samuel-Korthof/100001700529856 Samuel Korthof

    Terrible framerate not playable at all. Any one else expierence this? I’ve got a Phenom X4 3,2 with a Ati 6870 4 GB Ram Should at least make it run on lowest settings..

    • Philip Antonia

      Go onto ISI’s website and let them know. Many are saying the frame rates are much better than they expected, so there might be a minor problem at your end or a compatability issue. One thing that has been suggested with CPU usage being low is to reduce the number of sounds from 32 to 16 samples. Hope you get it running as your system is within the recommended specs.

  • cee cee

    Where do we register and pay ? Any reviews available yet ?

  • Noel Hibbard

    AI doing some laps:
    http://www.justin.tv/ermax18 

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Video problems…

    • Noel Hibbard

      I am testing rain now. Looks nice.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Ok it works now. Thanks a lot for that, it looks nice indeed…
        Weird as it still has the rF1 touch, but much more beautiful of course ;)

      • Anonymous

        Noel, are you getting rainspray off the cars ?  Nothin’ happening here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-White/655487760 Alex White

    Argh!! .. No money in my bank. I am now sad.. need to wait a day or 2 to get it. :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

    Payment servers overloaded… I bet we’ll have to wait a few hours before it calms down…

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Woohoo, payment successful… See yaaaaaa

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeroen.vrancken Jeroen Vrancken

    The buy licence is overloaded, cant buy a licence :( Failed to connect to commerce server.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alistairheeley Alistair Heeley

    On my second day back at work after two months off, typical!

    • Anonymous

      Yep.   If you had only gone to work sooner, we’d already be playing.  We’ve all been waiting for you to go to work so we can have the release.  Go back to work sooner next time, please?

  • Anonymous

    Lol the payment and purchase server is totally lagged out takes 10min to load each page.

    Be interesting to know how many sales they make this week 

  • Anonymous

    WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

    ‘cept I just barfed all my lolly on a new Amplifier and Wharfedale speakers.   NOOOOOOO!!!!

  • Anonymous

    AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i called in sick today WOOOOHOOOOOO!

    • Anonymous

      ..and I called them to let them know you were lying !   :D

  • janjoost koffijberg

    Halfway trough the payment my pc goes down…. gone money no license….

    Tim can you help!

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Post at the ISI forums for support if you want a timely answer

      • Anonymous

        or even a Tim-ly one.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Héhé

  • Noel Hibbard

    Sorry guys but this looks nothing like rF1!!!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      The detail is amazing, but /me thinks lighting still need a bit more work, or the postfx, dunno.

    • Anonymous

      Were you expecting it too ?  Theres no sim that looks closer to rF1 than this.
      Also you might want to compare this ‘beta’ to the final of rF1 with only its stock content.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        I don’t think Noel meant to ditch rF2, so what do you mean ?

      • Anonymous

        Yeah I just re-read it and NOW it get what he meant.  Badly phrased maybe.  Anyway I’ve edited my comment.

  • utdtud uygfyuifiy

    I don’t like it…

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Someone liked the fact that utdtud uygfyuifiy doesn’t like it… LOL how lame is that :D

  • Pvt Stash

    Awesome stuff, bet there’s a few workplaces down on staff today/tomorrow. :) For anyone experiencing issues it would be better to post them over at the ISI forums as you are far more likely to get a faster response there. Good luck everyone and see you on track. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Varazdat-Markosyan/100002738676395 Varazdat Markosyan

    game just came out and have a huge pile of bugs. Some were able to buy it but liuenziyu why it was not given. And me and my friends did not manage to buy anything. All crashes.

    • David Valije

      It’s a beta… Betas have bugs. The game did not came out yet. It seems the beta period will last about 6 months.

      As I said in another comment: People will complain for it being too soon and, at the same time, for being too late…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fourpaws-Ghop/100003045642888 Fourpaws Ghop

        Wait has anybody complained that its copied  and they didnt get the authors permisssion yet?

    • Anonymous

      How can you say it has bugs if you didn’t manage to even buy it yet ?     Also, ask an informed friend what ‘beta’ means.

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      Game has huge pile of bugs but have not managed to buy anything… hahahahaha.

      This sims release is certainly bringing  the dim witted and tight fisted plebs out of the woodwork.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Varazdat-Markosyan/100002738676395 Varazdat Markosyan

    Some sort of stupidity. it is simply impossible to buy a license. and where to put downloaded earlier fiyly also not clear

  • Hugo Ramos

    Varazdat you just need to know how to read
    http://rfactor.net/web/rf2/first-time-install/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Varazdat-Markosyan/100002738676395 Varazdat Markosyan

    I know how to read. Just when the pressure button to buy a license nichekgo happens. The game freezes and everything. And the same thing in another four players.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

    Why on earth is everything being distributed on bloody torrents? Seems a daft way of doing things.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

      Yes but it saves them from bandwidth costs,

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      How is it a problem ? It downloads VERY fast by torrent, you can pause and resume it consistently, …

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DPB22Q3UKZGB5HLQJZFDD3MQEE Phantom Mark

      I appreciated the torrent, pulled down all my files at over 750kb/sec, steam barely manages that on a good day, a gig in less than an hour makes me smile.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fourpaws-Ghop/100003045642888 Fourpaws Ghop

        Hello same for me I got the install in ten min. thru the torrent. Best way to go when its legal.

  • Anonymous
    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Nice, thanks for sharing !

  • Anonymous

    Anyone have a setup for the Formula Renault 3.5 that they can post ?   Something that can keep the rear end stable in Portugal.   
    Rear end stability seems tricky on all cars, uinless it’s my controller setup.  FR3.5 is driving me crazy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

      Same here!

    • Marco Conti

      Same problem. I think part of it is that all the steering rations are way up in the 25′s. If I dial down the steering to 20 the cars are easier to control. But still a bit butt light. The Megane drives like that even in the old rf1 mods, but the Formula car shouldn’t.

      • Anonymous

        Yep, the FR3.5 car is really strange physics wise.  It’s a death-trap :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DPB22Q3UKZGB5HLQJZFDD3MQEE Phantom Mark

    67 car very scary and has impressed me :)

    Shame my G27 is rattling my house down at 00:20hrs   :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DPB22Q3UKZGB5HLQJZFDD3MQEE Phantom Mark

    Daft ??

    I downloaded a GB in less than an hour, that sounds utterly sensible to me, no complaints here.

  • http://twitter.com/fergobirck Fernando Birck

    Just tested and, to be honest, physics and graphics-wise doesn’t look that different from rF1 at all. I know it’s a beta, but I was expecting MUCH more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Varazdat-Markosyan/100002738676395 Varazdat Markosyan

    I am also disappointed. I am sure that the final version of the game will not differ greatly from that which is available now. The graphics are not improved. Just add a little shine. I am disappointed by 70%

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000276911283 Sean Gray

      You prob don’t know how to drive?

      • Anonymous

        Apart from the fact that what you said isn’t a question and therefore requires no question mark, this has to be the most ego-driven comeback from one sim-racer to another.  
        Any time someone has an issue with car handling, setups or such like (which it not necessarily the case here, you just assumed it), you can bet someone will bounce back with this little put-down of a line if for only a brief moment of self satisfaction that he’s ‘the man’ who CAN drive. 
        Might be an idea to put your testosterone in a can and swap it for a can of maturity.

        Pet peeve of mine as if you couldn’t tell :)

    • Nathan Robinson

      How can you say the graphics are not improved?? There is so much life in these tracks. Sure it still has the rfactor cartoony color scheme, but to say they are not improved is misleading. There is a huge improvement. There are so many other features tho that shine very well so why just focus on graphics?

    • Anonymous

      Reinstall rF1 and don’t add any mods.  Give it a whirl and compare it to the rF1 of today.
      rF2 has so much potential and there’s still 6 months worth of fixing up to do on this.
      The graphics are clearly improved.  CARS it isn’t, but neither are any of the other sims.
      The shine you want may come with the postfx that will be added in later and then there’s all the bugs to squash and polishing up to do.
      Because of it’s modability, this will be one of the big sims to be playing for the next few years so I hope you can get your percentage down.

    • Olivier Prenten

      I think you really need new glasses!
      When rF1 was already very good, rF2 is just “awesome”!

  • Anonymous

    iRacing RIP

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Garrett/100001190916179 Jason Garrett

      Yeah right. I’ll enjoy rFactor 2 I’m sure, but as long as there are people who want a seamless yet robust online environment, iRacing will remain. Now if ISI set up a system similar to iRacing, but still allowed modded cars and everything, I’d quit iRacing in a heartbeat. Until that happens, I’ll enjoy both. :)

    • Luke Russell

      LOL!

  • Anonymous

    The FFB is really good but the rest so far i’m not so sure right now.

  • Ricoo

    I am unlucky, I was unable to test it tonight. I am victim of the grey login button bug… :(

    I hope I will have more luck tomorrow.

    I waited on Simraceway but strangely there was very few people and only beginner. lol

  • Nathan Robinson

    Thoroughly enjoying this. People will criticize the graphics but you just cant replicate the feeling you get when you take the historic f1 around monaco for the first time. Even though its a beta, driving it around puts a huge smile on my face. Thank you Tim and everyone else at ISI, you have made this day memorable for me :) Cant wait for what the future holds.

  • http://twitter.com/Cobbs369 Ben Jacobs

    I’d pay this amount just to run the 68 car around Spa. Fantastic fun all around – great stuff already and has bucket loads of potential.

  • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

    It’s my configs or rain drops on windshield are not implemented on beta? In fact here I can only see wipers through external view.

    Anyway, I liked it lot. Lots of improvements. The handling is very good despite the weird default setup. But, the sounds of Megane Trophy needs a lot of improvement to become bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Owen/824265471 Roger Owen

    What fun blasting around the old tracks with fine old machinery despite amateurish track building and unimpressive graphics for the frames per second. Last generation feeling but not bad FFB and physics. Like going from bluray to VHS in lots of ways but fun can still be had :]

  • Noel Hibbard

    I have tons of footage on my Justin.TV channel.This one in particulate is good. Skip to the 12min mark.

    http://www.twitch.tv/ermax18/b/305125243 

  • Anonymous

    Funny now that it’s released, I’m more than satisfied just sitting here and watching the comments and new videos like we just got a flood load of new info to process.

    I’m not sure about how rF2 looks and sounds right now, (it looks better at night lol, if you know what I mean) I can tell the physics and FFB are great already, I wouldn’t expect any less from ISI. However, some areas are reminding me too much of rF1.

    Lets just say; I’m about 49% sure I’ll buy it now, 51% sure I’ll wait a couple months to see how the beta develops. ;-)

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Mate, if you’ve got the 35€, cash them out… It’s really exciting to test rF2, it feels like making love to a new woman : you know how to do it, but everything is a little different and feels “edgy”… And djeez, is that old 60′s car a real lady to handle !!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

    Naturally there will be those who are going to treat a beta like a final release candidate and scoff at this and that. But I think what’s undeniable here is the remarkable feel of driving and unprecedented force feedback fidelity – it seems like a quantum leap from what has gone before. Serious, actually very serious, competition for iRacing and hopefully the community can help to bring this to an incredible standard over the coming months and years. Suddenly those Grand Prix Legends sessions will never feel the same. Ladies and Gentleman, we are in the presence of a game changer.

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Definitely. It’s still difficult to point out exactly what changed so much on first take, but I’m sure with time it’ll only get better and better…

  • Marco Conti

    I am really impressed by the driving model. I love not only the FFB (I could actually feel the pebbles under my wheels) but the way the cars drive. It’s a very long way from rF1. The way some of the cars drive it reminds me more of NKpro than any other Sim. 
    I think ISI has a winner here. The final release will be the killer sim. CARS, Assetto Corsa and GTR3 will need to really step up their game and I suppose they are not sleeping too well at iRacing as well.

    The only thing that upsets me is that it’s clear that ISI has known for a long time that the driving model in rF1 was broken. I wish they released a patch to at least get it halfway there. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

      Very much agree with you. Driving in the 1966 car at Spa gives you a terrific insight into why this circuit was so feared by even the bravest of the brave. That’s worth the price of admission on its own. 

      Clearly modders are going to have to step up their game too. There’s an awful lot going on at circuits and in the cars. 

      Probably the brightest day for our hobby since the release of GPL.

    • Andrew McP

      After coming to terms with the overall “rF1.5″ look and feel to the sim I agree that there is something tantalisingly impressive about the actual driving. With my G25 I’m not — so far –getting the same sense of connection to the road as I do in iRacing, but the cars are handling so realistically, when pushed to the limit (and beyond) that I’m quite prepared to believe I’ll be able to tune the FFB to suit me better.

      At the moment it feels a bit “granular” fo rme. Promising, though. Very promising.

    • http://twitter.com/11TheDude11 The Dude

      (I could actually feel the pebbles under my wheels) _ LMAO.. yea .. so could everyones wife.. etc.. the whole house shook..

      but yea.. so long as my wheel dont bust off. just stay off the gravel :)

      • rui silva

        dude!!! take a break, you dont have to be an AH every day of your life! Sorry for this reply everyone else but this guy just ticks me off …

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

    All of a sudden ones card that can purchase everything, anywhere in the world, is not acceptable!  great huge pile of shit if you ask me. This stuff should have been sorted out a long time ago, not rushed as it appears to have been. I know they are amateur, but when you are asking people to pay for a BETA, this should be a lot, lot more organised, sorry.

    • Anonymous

      So if were buying a new flashy car and the car showroom declined your card, then the car would be shit ?

      Clearly your card cannot purchase everything then eh ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.mullins Paul Mullins

      Seriously mate – when literally hundred of us have managed to purchase rF2 with a visa card except yourself, you have to ask yourself what’s the common denominator??!!

      EDIT: An BTW, no one ‘asked’ you to buy it.. that was your choice. But the fact is, you haven’t been charged, so STFU..!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

        Thanks so much for the help. Seriously, when one is using a card accepted worldwide and it isn;t accepted by the software, surely there is some error?

        Nice edit btw, you are wrecked any time I ever see you

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TEXKD4UNSOYHEJWGMYTHNBTTWU Danny

    The physics are terrible, who did them MMG?

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.mullins Paul Mullins

    FFB is quite simply amazing.  The detail in the front end slide is something else and the stuff going on around the track is awesome. 

    Fine detail like seeing a plane overhead cast a shadow over the track or an inflatable man waving his arms on the side of the track is simply jaw dropping..

    This folks, is a day in sim racing history..

     

    • Olivier Prenten

      I absolutely agree with Paul! Just insanely good! :)

    • http://twitter.com/11TheDude11 The Dude

      haha.. would you like a blow up ballon? .. HAHA. you are easy pleased.. think of those blow up.. inflatable men/arms. as a animated gif. cause thats all it is..

      yes the game drives great.. cant work out why ppl hate the drivign side of it. but seriously..
      if i wanted to drive a 6-10 year old looking game. its like a cartoon.. ..

      please pcars.. work out your physics and.. add some rain. (which they wont)…

  • gt3rsr

    Well, I think I’ll have to try it too… according to videos, the graphics looks rather like rF 1.5, but that was expected… I can get a refund after all.

    • Olivier Prenten

      Graphics DON’T look like rF1 at all! The lighting and the effects are from far much better! The immersion is just amazing!

      • David Valije

        I have to say in my own PC they are worse… but it is not the game’s fault, it’s my outdated system. Just for comparison pCARS looks almost the same but the framerate is WAY worse.

        A H4850 is not good anymore :(. Time to update my system (was waiting for rFactor ;) )

    • http://twitter.com/SMelhuish Simon Melhuish

      another person making a judgement from videos and pictures… try it then your opinion will be valid

    • http://twitter.com/adcharron Alex D Charron

      rf1 without any mod wasn’t great after all. Same as rf1, you will see the greatness of it will all high quality mod that will be released for it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Jim.Cassi Jim Slimjim Cassi

    Make sure you all wear your seatbelts, as the amount of wreckers online are plenty.
    you would think it”s their 1st time behind a wheel…lol

    • http://twitter.com/11TheDude11 The Dude

      no shite.. hilarious. cant out of pits stay on that side of line. etc etc. come onto track like they only one there.. game sucks though. if i am doing fastest laps. then something is wrong :)
      plus Portugal wont load for me.

  • General Rush Hour

    I just don´t see the “wow factor” for this game…. 

    It looks like Rfactor 1.1 imo.

    • Anonymous

      That’s because it’s not intended for wow factor people like Shift is… 

      • General Rush Hour

        I´m not talking about just the looks of it. The whole game feels like a facelift, and not a completely new game. 

        I´m not a hater, i just feel this was a bit of a let down considering the titles like iRacing and upcoming Assetto Corsa. 

        Especially when you know Rfactor has laserscanned tracks.. 

      • Anonymous

        OK, you might actually have a point there, but I think you have to focus on the tire model and FFB which is vastly improved.. other things will come later

      • General Rush Hour

        I have, and i can´t say i´m overly impressed. It´s good but not quite at the level of the mentioned above. 

        It´s Rfactor one with a facelift and new features. Some are perfectly fine about that and that is great, but i would have liked Rfactor to do stuff in another way.
        They have the resources to do it and that´s mainly why i´m bummed about this game. 
        They could have been up there with Kunoz and iRacing easily but chose not to.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, I’m still scratching my head why a mod-friendly sim wouldn’t try for a tire model like iRacing and Kunos where you plug in physical tire parameters instead of equation coefficients. I would think that would have the best effect on the quality of mods.

        Any word how the tire modding is in rF2?

      • Juhan Voolaid

        Well, I remember the first interview, when Gjon (I think that was his name) told very clearly that graphic engine will stay the same. So it is not a let down for me, but it is one year late. Then again the quality should be first class.

      • Noel Hibbard

        Or he hasn’t actually seen it for himself and is basing his opinion solely on 1000Kbps YouTube videos on systems that aren’t running with everything maxed out.

      • http://openid.wp.pl/knifesedge Knifesedge

        But it really does look terrible. Models and textures are nice but lighting/shadows, reflections, the overall atmosphere – it’s all just wrong. They should really get some better people to do this job because if you look at the early WIP screenshots and the latest beta, there’s hardly any progress in terms of graphics.

      • General Rush Hour

        I agree, it´s like Codemasters. They can´t make proper lighting so modders, young guys that sit at home can produce a better lighting model then the guys at Codemasters. 

        Stuff like that is a complete joke, especially when you call yourself Code-masters. 

      • General Rush Hour

        I have played it. I do have the beta. 

        You were saying? Maybe you don´t think my computer can handle it? 
        How about 4.2Ghz, 6gig RAM, and two GTX580? 

        It does not look even half as good as for example iRacing.
        And considering Kunoz will have DX11, things just got old very quickly, and the game isn´t even out yet.

  • James Underwood

    FFB and car feeling is the best I’ve experienced so far by a reasonably good margin (Race07/EVO, iRacing, RF). The graphics really are rfactor1-class with a few effects chucked on top. I have no doubt that once the best modders get going, we’ll be very happy in this area.

    But one major tip if you have a grunty system – put super sampling on in your control panels, my goodness, i could not play this without that setting on (4x here) as normal MSAA doesn’t work on much of the scene (just like rf1).

    • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

      FFB and driving feeling is the best indeed. But ISI will definitely need to tweak it graphic-wise in order to not be crushed by GTR3 and Assetto Corsa later on.

      • Anonymous

        I love seeing all these predictions :)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HEJQFMZIIWS55MFDYTKUR2F5KI Firefox

        Agree.
        I wonder where people buy these crystal balls everyone seems to have…

      • General Rush Hour

        by crystal ball you mean a fully functional brain? 

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        How in the world would YOU know what a fully functional brain is ???

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HEJQFMZIIWS55MFDYTKUR2F5KI Firefox

        Don’t mind him.
        My fully functional brain tells me that if he continues like this he will get himself banned.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

        Is not about prediction. Any smart company will look at bugs from its competitors and try to make it better. We’ve already seen what those companies are capable of, I’m just assuming they’ll keep their standards.You people need to calm down.

    • badracer

      Don´t know, what this “modder will do it”-talking is. I´ve seen no mod, that changed the rFactor-graphic that much, that it looked like another game. rFactor-graphics are rFactor-graphics, no matter which mod it is.

      • Luke Maple

        some of the modelling and texture work on some 3rd party mods are amazing! look at VirtuaLM’s Sebring and Mid ohio for instance! also there is a lot of less well made stuff too! lol! 

    • Anonymous

      Little update, Mills hill at around 5pm does look pretty darn good, quite a bit nicer than RF1 in fact, to me at least.

  • Lars Koldeweij

    Ok what the heck, I need to wait 4 days before the payment is confirmed with PayPal!?? NO WAAAY!

    • Anonymous

      Paypal itself pays in seconds, minutes at most.. must be your bank/card/whatever but not paypal

      • Lars Koldeweij

        It my first time using PayPal, and I ‘connected’ my regular bank account to it. First payment takes a week to confirm…. BUMMER!

    • Mike Cimuchowski

      My paypal payment cleared instantly

  • http://www.facebook.com/Mikec87 Mike Cantwell

    I like the game. However, my Nvidia 9600GT does not. 10-30 fps on medium settings is too slow and unplayable..

    Time to update. So the $86.00 games now will cost another $200.00 to get a card to run it.

    Still, that is the progress I have been through since the 486 days :)

    • Anonymous

      Sorry but 9600GT is ancient hardware.. 4 years old. 

    • Luke Maple

      I had the 9600gt card and i struggled to play irking on it but eventually upgraded to an ati 5850, its not the best in the world but in irking it turns about 120fps with shadows on!

      you can pick up an 8800gt (which is much faster than the 9600gt despite being a lower series card for about £50 here in the UK so i imagine a slightly better card wouldn’t break the bank too much? 

      Shop around and see what you can get second hand too! :)

    • Anonymous

      No.  It doesn’t cost anything like that.    I just picked up a 6850 for a little over £100 – often $-£ is 1-1 in tech stuff, so…..

      And price has dropped since.      9600GT is getting on isn’t it?   And it was only ever a budget card, really.

      6850 is good.  For £100 it’s just about the most bang-for-buck anyone has ever been able to buy.    Anything like that card range will give you a significant improvement – on a budget.  Sweet spot is around there somewhere methinks/

  • Luke Maple

    Feels the best I’ve experienced so far…Very direct, the car does as its told and as you would expect! I agree with the opinions on the graphics however the mods wshould change that and bring it alive… Im experiencing very minor stuttering on an i7 2600k with 8gb of ram and an ATI 5850 obviously though optimizations are still to come! its promising!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Ott/100000878526131 Markus Ott

    Oh, I have to pay a full game price to play the OPEN beta?
    Ok then… I won’t try out rF2, but when I read through the comments and filter out all the rF2 fanboys that keep saying how impressive this game is, the consensus is that the gfx sucks and driving model has improved. Surprise!
    Not enough for me pay a full price to try out a beta.

    • Anonymous

      You’re not paying just for beta, you will automatically have full version as well. 
      ISI would probably do better if they called it Preorder With Beta Access since a lot of people don’t get it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Ott/100000878526131 Markus Ott

        I know I would get the retail version too, but I want to try it out BEFORE I buy something that I don’t like afterwards. If the gfx is as horrible as on all the screenshots so far not even the best physics will sell me the game. We are in 2012, lousy excuses of how bad rF1 looked bad then don’t count. They want my money, they have to deliver 2012 tech in every aspect. Easy as that.
        But hey… if I were ISI I would have done the same and wouldn’t let the people play the beta for free, probably too many people who are not well informed will just not buy it because of its weeknesses and expected much more. This way they already have the money of all the testers.

      • Anonymous

        Did pCars have free beta, did iRacing have free beta, did…. you get the idea :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Ott/100000878526131 Markus Ott

        10 euros for 1,5 years of constantly monthly builds or 20€ for weekly build updates of pCARS is a completely other and fairer league than this desperated attempt of ISI.
        Dunno how iRacing’s test phase looked like tbh :)

      • Luke Maple

        They offer a refund if you are not enjoying it! give it a go! I assume the graphics will improve greatly when it’s properly released. If you don’t like there stance on the beta wait til the beta period is done with then they may offer a demo!

      • http://www.facebook.com/Siggers Ross Siggers

        I think greatly improved graphics is being a little optimistic.

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        No its not

      • General Rush Hour

        They are completely different business models… 

        Did DICE release a free BETA? YES. Did 99% of all the other developers do that aswell? Yes. 

        Does Rfactor force you buy the game to see if you like it? Yes. 

      • David Valije

        Just wait when the game is finised. Then there will be a demo. No one force you to try something unfinished (unless you want to brag about having tried it).

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        “Did 99% of all the other developers do that aswell? ”

        Oh yeah ? 99% of all developers do release free betas ???

        You’re just full of shit, and make your arguments out of nothing, how do you even expect to be taken seriously ?

        General Lama Troll, yes…

      • General Rush Hour

        You are the one full of shit, you are so full of shit you can´t even see the game is shit. 

      • Olivier Prenten

        GFX horrible??? You must be joking!!! I strongly suggest you to buy new glasses or clean up your screen! LOL…

      • Borut Verbancic

        Fact is nobody pushing you to buy a game that you don’t like. If you want try BEFORE buy, wait for DEMO. Where is the problem then? Time? Even more. ISI will return your money, if you think, that game(beta) is not worth your money. You bashing people for many positive opinion. Jet you give completely right to people ho has negative opinion? And above of that you make your own opinion just from others who has negative opinion and you even not try a game? Your opinion what you think about ISI price politics and a game as whole worth nothing then.

      • David Valije

        Yo can’t have it all (like almost everything in real life).

        You don’t want to pay for a beta: don’t buy it.
        You want to try a demo: wait until the game is finished and a demo is released (Accordig devs, there will be a free demo).
        Don’t want to bother with bugs and an unfinished product: wait for the game release.

        Most dev studios don’t let people try any betas in the wild. You get the game when it is finished, and lots of them get the shelves with a great amount of bugs that make them almost useless (F1 anyone?).

        I hope with an open beta devs will get some useful feedback mixed with all the whinners and those bugs will get fixed before the final product.

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        You’re crying a lot for someone who hasn’t even bought the beta.
        Go play Outrun, that should keep you happy.

      • Anonymous

        yes, if there had been a pre-order…..and then an extra charge of £10 to get a pre-release look (aka Beta) if you really couldn’t wait til release, they might have fared better.  Sure, people would still complain, but lots of idiots would be happier, apparently.

    • Anonymous

      That’s funny you had no problem paying for Project cars, and that’s not even in a beta state.
      Even after the full release rFactor 2 development will not end.

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      OK, bye then! *waves*

    • Anonymous

      you’re right, its not worth paying for it yet. i’d give it a good 6 months, wait for the bugs to be ironed out, and wait for the mod community to ACtually make the game good.
      currently the FFB is a complete mess. the onboard sounds are a complete farce. 
      the modding community made rf1 good, so we’re just going to have to wait for that content. ISI should be paying them really. our money should be going to the modders, not to ISI. 

      • Anonymous

        how much have you donated to modders so far?     There’s nothing stopping you, so let’s have the details of your largesse to modders…..

        Money where mouth is, and all that, yes?

  • Luke Russell

    FAIL.

  • Paul Haworth

    Is there something I’m missing here? System is:

    i7 2600k (not oc’d)
    8 GB
    Windows 7 64
    AMD 6950, 2 GB

    all drivers up to date and yet fps fluctuates a lot from 80 down to 20 and back. I’m running single monitor at 1920 * 1080. Even when running around 60 fps, it just doesn’t feel smooth enough.
    I have no trouble with rfactor 1 or any other sim. My processor doesn’t seem to be doing very much when running rF2. Is this because it’s still in beta? The promo vids looked smooth. Any help on settings or tricks anyone has stumbled on would be appreciated.

    Happy racing all

    • Anonymous

      try to get above 60fps and turn v-sync on, see if that help smooth things for now.

      • Paul Haworth

        Thanks Sounomi and Jameson, will give that a try!

    • Anonymous

      Check the audio?     It’s 32 channels now rather than 16 in rf1.  Try turning the number right down, see what the difference is?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Banta/100000477859325 David Banta

      what wheel do you use, if it’s a thrustmaster t500rs then you have the update the drivers to remove the physics lag.

  • Anonymous

    So first there is the online you have to pay and now i read you also have to pay first the game befor you even can try the beta ……. please  tell me this is not true , has to be a joke .
    I alway’s thought , the intention of a beta is … try it befor you buy it .

    • Olivier Prenten

      There is no “intention” in a beta version! It’s just a product status! The beta is aiming to find out minor bugs through the active community! So it’s normal to buy it since you discover at least 90% of the final product. And if you’re not happy there is refund process foreseen!
      So next time please ask before whining! ;)

    • Anonymous

      Don’t think….. read, a demo will be released some time this year, you will be able to test it for free then.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=576150421 John King

      Pretty sure the idea of a beta is to test it on consumers computers.

      A demo is where you try before you buy, 2 totally different things ;)

      • Anonymous

        Yups John King you’ve got a piont there .
        Hope one day  they will bring a demo out so we can try befor we buy and  if it is than possibul one car and one track .

        greets

    • Anonymous

      it’s time you lot moaning like this actually did a bit more research regarding what a beta is on your own instead of bitching all over the place like you’ve got it all sussed out when really you are just very confused.

      You can always pretend the beta period doesn’t exist and check out a demo on release if that somehow makes you happier. Just don’t pretend you are somehow getting less right now, instead of MORE.

      I’m glad those of you thinking like this will stay away from the beta, because it’s clear ISI is not looking for what will no doubt be the most angry, crazy, illogical beta feedback ever, pasted all over the ISI forums, full of anger, hate and confusion as to what they just paid for.

      • Anonymous

        “the most angry, crazy, illogical beta feedback ever”
        ha – wouldn’t it just!    haters gotta hate – lol

      • Anonymous

        Boring plzzzzz go to your mama

      • Anonymous

        Boring two

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      RTFM

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz .

      • Anonymous

        He he funny , i admit i made a mistake between  the word beta and demo and see how some guy’s here react ; hahahahaha you guy’s make me laugh woef:bark woef/bark woef/bark  must be a joke creazyyyyyyyyyy hahahaha love it  .

    • Anonymous

      Well, they could have done a closed beta.   Prefer that?   Fine – just pretend it’s a closed Beta and wait patiently, yes?

  • Anonymous

    i just bought it together with the lifetime subscription. even if rf2 completely sucks, ISI already deserved that money for all the fun i had with rf1!

    • http://www.competauto.com/ Theroro29

      If you don’t like Rfactor 2, don’t forget to ask a refund.

      ISI will automatically reimburse you

    • Anonymous

      shouldn’t that money go towards the modders who made it a great game, coz the ISI team certainly didnt. 

      • Anonymous

        You’re missing the point.    rFactor is a largely open architecture – add what you can and what you want.  Anyone else providing the same deal?  No.   Would it have happened without ISI?  No.  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HEJQFMZIIWS55MFDYTKUR2F5KI Firefox

        They provided the platform for the modders.
        You can’t make picture or a statue without having any tools to work with now can you?

  • http://twitter.com/LionGP Lion GP

    The best I’ve experienced so far no other sim has such great realistic physics.

    • General Rush Hour

      I take it Mario Kart is the only other game you have tried before.

      • Anonymous

        Aaah Mario Kart.  The de-facto comparison game for all sim-racers. 

      • General Rush Hour

        Has to be mentioned when people start getting delirious. 

      • http://twitter.com/LionGP Lion GP

        No,Only the Bobby Car Sim

      • General Rush Hour

        That´s what i thought. Now go back to the kitchen where you belong.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Why do you need to insult people with sexist jokes ? And it’s them who are delirious ?
        Man, you’re a real piece of work…

      • General Rush Hour

        You are insulting me by even replying but i don´t cry for that, neither should you.

        Kitchen boys!

      • http://twitter.com/LionGP Lion GP

        We are the Kitchen boys and you are the pig !! haha

      • General Rush Hour

        Yea well atleast i can drive a car… Now stay in the kitchen!

      • Anonymous

        Gender stereotyping now?    Wooo – big man.  

        Jokes or casual remarks often reveal more than people intend. For example, you’re obviously all of 14, right?

      • General Rush Hour

        Oh sorry did i hurt your feelings? I´m sorry then i thought people had thick skin but i forgot i was talking to vegetables. 

      • Anonymous

        No, you didn’t hurt my feelings.   You just revealed you operate on crude stereotypes – that’s all. It’s not very impressive, wherever it is found, and it speaks of a wider worldview (which is equally unimpressive).  That’s all.

      • General Rush Hour

        Yea sometimes i do that, and usually it´s the stereotype that gets sad when it´s mentioned. 
        So i guess you like to be in the kitchen huh.

      • Anonymous

        I’d be pretty embarrassed not to know my way about a kitchen, aye.

        Big boys don’t cook, you think?      Kissy kissy.  :D

    • Anonymous

      think you’ll find netkar pro and iracing are tons better. 
      rf2 has been a massive dissapointment. 

  • General Rush Hour

    Just another thing i want to comment on that is probably the most laughable thing ever. 

    Chopper sound is taken a few feet away from a stationary choppper at idle. 
    Rain sound is taken probably outside Rfactor HQ with a simple mic. 

    It´s a complete joke because it shows just how much (or little) they truly care about us consumers.

    • Anonymous

      i thought it was quite funny when on Spa it went to chopper cam and all i heard was the helicopter at FULL BLAST. Surely ISI know that in real life they place the mic for chopper cam somewhere down near the track to stop the viewer from experiencing this :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

        Seriously, if that’s all you can fault in the game…

      • General Rush Hour

        Same here :) It was so obvious i started laughing :) 
        Check this one out, listen to the rain. You can here the mic is just sat outside one day and they just recorded a sample. Even when he´s in the car the sound of the rain is higher then the actual engine. 
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQujVoNwjOc&feature=related 

      • Anonymous

        Need to remember that this is beta software, and a lot of place holder content will be there for now. I’m confident these two things will be improved as time goes on.

      • Anonymous

        Would you have been happier if the rainfall had been recorded at an actual circuit ?  Does it sound different there than anywhere else ?  

        Besides you don’t even need to record it.  There are many sound sources to be found online.

        As for the sound of the rain being higher than the engine, well that is something that can be dialled out and/or fixed in later stages.  
        I feel it disappointing that some people still need reminding that this is a beta.
        Maybe if you put your comments on the ISI forums in a constructive manner, instead of being a troll on here, they might say “good point, we`ll fix that’.   That won’t do your ego any harm at all now, will it ?

      • General Rush Hour

        No, just some common knowledge that an engine is louder then raindrops. 

        Atleast as a start. 

      • Anonymous

        big deal

      • General Rush Hour

        Apparently not for some. I guess that´s why you guys will run Rfactor 2 in ten years when the rest of us with an ounce of demand continue to push the developers to produce stellar games.

      • Anonymous

        exactly

      • Anonymous

        err…sure. whatever.

        Nevermind that a game still being run in 10 years would have to qualify as a success.  

        I’m not that surprised people whine about all sorts of things, especially when trash like F1 2011 is still running high in the charts – only it’s because it’s shiny and heavily marketed.   But I suspect anyone with sense and anyone who’s been with this through Revs, GP3 and GPL easily recognise all the whining for what it is – tosh.  We’ve never been better served – we’ve never had anything like this before.  Can’t see it?   Fine.

      • General Rush Hour

        No it only has to qualify as having a bunch of guys that are “yes-men” and allows Rfactor to not go the extra mile. 
        Hell if they took a piece of dodo and packaged it nicely and called it Rfactor 2 you would all be screaming at how amazing the dodo smells while the rest of us see it for what it really is. DODO. 

        Never been better served? Never seen anything like this before? 
        Please for the love of god, get your ass out of your cave, Rfactor is late to the party and they forgot to bring the wine. 

      • Anonymous

        You appear to have no clue.    No problem.

      • General Rush Hour

        Yea sure… im the one with no clue. Hell if Montoya hadn´t told you it was Rfactor 2 you would have thought it was Rfactor 1.

      • A Techwaret

        What a tosser! With love from Silverstone… (Williams Engineering Team)

      • Anonymous

        No, I’d know the difference.   

        If you don’t like rf2, fine.   Your opinion on rf1 didn’t matter, and nor does your opinion on rf2.  We did fine without you.   ;)

      • General Rush Hour

        I seriously doubt that.

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      “It´s a complete joke because it shows just how much (or little) they truly care about us consumers. ”

      Duurrr, your the joke who doesn’t understand the meaning of the word beta. :D

      • daz

        By the tone of some of the comments on rF2 being a bit of a let down, it seems it should still be an ALPHA. Anyway, isn’t rFactor still BETA? Never went GOLD if memory serves.

        I appreciate folks shouldn’t expect all singing all dancing from this release, but like others have said, they may fix a few things, but I guess the majority of rF2 is what the final release will be with some added cars. tracks etc. I guess it will be an ongoing BETA like it’s predecessor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

    Surprised by the reaction to the graphics. Haven’t we seen too many games that look amazing and then fail completely as simulations? I say that ISI has done the right thing and focused on getting the game engine exactly right. And, in honesty, the graphics are more than presentable, especially at full res. 

    A good analogy is Flight Simulator X, which looks pretty average out of the box, but can be transformed into something very different by the best of the third party add-ons. 

    Don’t forget also that the latest eye candy carries a very heavy price tag, in terms of the PC needed to run it. 

    And anyone who remembers the slideshow frame rates that Grand Prix Legends provided on even the highest end PC on release, and for years after, will appreciate the design decisions that ISI has made, in the interests of most of their customers. Cue the rFactor modders.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Ott/100000878526131 Markus Ott

      *yawn* it’s THAT argument again.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        If you don’t like the argument, change attitude…

    • Anonymous

      *yawn* it’s Markus Ott trolling an rF2 thread

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

    When you torrent one of the mod files, what are you suppoed to bloody do with it!  So far I have three pieces of paper sitting in my downloads area that I have no idea what to do with!  Cant open them with anything, cant drag them into mod manager?  What have I missed here?

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      Hoy em into the Packages folder and right click em to install

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

        OK right this is getting annoying.

        Can someone simply state what you should open them with?  I downloaded a file earlier and it was suppsed to open in RF Mod manager?  What do you open the file with? Win zip?

        I tried to drag the file over and it wasnt there, nothing at all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=621361738 Chris McLellan


        If you mean the .rfmod files, put them in the Packages folder and use Mod Manager to install them (right-click their line, select install [and update in the case of the FR3.5 mod]).” – from the rf2 website.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

        I know all this, OK. They wont install to the packages folder, when they finish downloading they open as mod manager files! with nothing in them! So I cant do anything at all with them. All very confusing and frustrating. I need someone to shadow me I think as this is very sad.

      • http://twitter.com/timpiie Timpie Claessens

        Just _read_ the first install guide? Unless you only speak Swahili, it shouldnt be that hard

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        exactly, I didn’t read the install guide but it was fairly easy. Just download the torrent, when complete drag to the packages folder, then open rfactor, go to mods, choose the mod and click install, wait 5 minutes, done! It will even say “installed” in the table so you know it is done. Couldn’t be simpler.

      • http://www.facebook.com/steve30x Steve Farrell

        Honestly why could’nt they have the packages folder in the main Rfactor two install folder. There is too much messing about to be done just to install a mod.

  • Anonymous
    • http://openid.wp.pl/knifesedge Knifesedge

      I thought tires deform only in vertical direction but on the Megane you can clearly see them going off the rim while cornering.

      Also it’s a bit wrong that steering wheel goes crazy on grass and kerbs if these tires eat small bumps so nicely.

      • Anonymous

        Tires deform in all 3 cylindrical axes. Watch a drag racer to see angular deformation :)

      • http://openid.wp.pl/knifesedge Knifesedge

        When I said that they only deform vertically, I meant rFactor tire model.

      • Anonymous

        Just graphical, or does the physics engine do all 3?

  • Anonymous

    Look guys, take it easy, switch to 2nd gear, you are in 5th now. :)
    Lots of you expected a revolution from rf2, and if you were following the simracing news and various developers and titles, the conclusion is easy – every new sim will bring only ONE or eventually TWO features that are a revolution, depends from which poiont of view you are watching. So, from reading countless opinions and impressions here and there, I can say that rf2 will bring a revolution in FFB and maybe in tyre physics (deformation, flatspots…). Both of these features are still very very young to judge, but certainly both have HUGE potential under the hood.
    I never espected a revolution in every aspect from rf2, because ISI has a very small (and dedicated) team, and they need time to put all things together to work flawlessly (physics, tire deformation, FFB, perfomance optimisation, etc). People expected a fireworks from rf2 and right from the start that is a huge mistake. Look, even Gran Turismo series won’t bring nothing revolutionary in every new release, and just look how big the Polyphony team is!

    My 50 cents. :) cheers

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      You forgot the weather ;)

      • Anonymous

        Hmmmm, I didn’t because it is not quite a revolution. Grand Prix 4 had a complex weather system with drying line, etc. rFactor2 will only reincarnate it. :)

      • http://openid.wp.pl/knifesedge Knifesedge

        LFS is more advanced in terms of tire deformation, heat, wear and dirt but you can’t even feel it with those rubbish standard tracks. It’s just my opinion but I think it would be a top sim even without night and weather, if only it was possible to add user made content (cars, tracks, sounds).

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        If you cast your mind back though, ISIs engine used by EA for F1 2001/F1C also had changing weather and a drying line.

        LFS tyre deformation is only for punctures though, IIRC, haven’t played it for a while but I don’t recall the tyre walls moving up and down and sideways like rF2.

      • Anonymous

        IRacing’s new tire model does tire deformation in all 3 axes as well, it just isn’t graphical.

      • http://www.competauto.com/ Theroro29

        @ Laurent Cortier

        Are you paid by ISI to comment every posts?

        When someone has an objective or negative point of view on Rfactor 2, few people feel compelled to respond to each comment like this:

        “” WOW Rfactor 2 is perfect, graphics are amazing , WOW Rfactor 2 is the best girl i have ever fucked!! “”

        Please stop.

        Rfactor 2 is good but is far from perfect.

        1: Netkar Pro has always best physics.
        2: Graphics are good but not unbelievable (Megane trophy cockpit looks like a Rfactor 1 mod)
        3: people want to see now more real tracks (Silverstone, Nurburgring, Monza, Imola, Laguna seca, Magny cours, a World Series trackpack (Barcelona, paul Ricard??…)
        4: Why any laser scanned track? To expensive? why Kunos can do it for Ferrari Virtual Academy (it is also a little team)

        have a great week!

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        So it’s the troll correcting the happy user ?

        Man, is the world utterly sick and twisted…

        If you want to know, I only answer to 2 kind of posts : constructive ones and trolling bullshit. Guess what category you belong to ?

        So I’ll give you a hug instead, and send you all the love I can in return for the hate you’re sending out to everyone.

      • http://www.competauto.com/ Theroro29

        Salut Laurent,

        Je crois qu’on aura du mal être d’accord. C’est pas grave. Tu dois être un super type dans la vie.
        essaye juste d’être objectif par moment. Après tout ce n’est qu’un jeu.
        On n’est pas dans le concours de celui qui à la bite la plus longue.

        Bonne fin de semaine!

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Ah, grande surprise, les premiers mots sensés et non haineux qui sortent de ta bouche sont en français… On est pas dans un concours, en effet, alors pourquoi toujours cet éternel négativisme et ton comportement de troll ? Il aura fallu que je te sortes le grand classique de l’amour pour que tu redeviennes un peu adulte.

        Si tu pouvais garder ce niveau de maturité quand tu participe sur VirtualR, tu te rendrais service, ainsi qu’à nous tous.

        Il n’y a pas que moi qui en ai marre de ces comportements enfantins comme ceux que tu nous montrais. C’est juste parce que je vous fous systématiquement la tête dans votre caca que tu m’as choppé ci-dessus. Preuve en est que c’était nécessaire…

        Et alors quand tu essayes de retourner la situation pour passer pour le grand, je vois rouge, faut pas se foutre de ma gueule !

        Ca fait plus de 10 ans que je gère des communautés en ligne gratuitement, on me la fait plus, mon pti gars.

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        “Rfactor 2 is good but is far from perfect.”

        We knaaa marra… thats why its presently called a beta version.

      • http://www.competauto.com/ Theroro29

        Do you think Rfactor will change a lot in the coming months?Development of Rfactor 2 didn’t start in December 2011.
        You play with a game which development has been started in 2008.
        Rfactor 2 will be improved but no radical modifications.
        They will now add tracks, cars…

      • Ricoo

        And some new post FX, so we can hope a global graphic improvement, even if maybe only a small one.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        Good point, cos if you look at say Shift2 or similarly WMD the underlying graphics are no better than rFactor2, it just has more effects to make it look flashy, like the distant blur. Also, I’ve noticed the heathaze in SHift2 but only when stationary, when I dropped to swingman view in rf2 I noticed the whole car had heat haze when in motion, looked great, if unrealistic.

      • rui silva

        I dont know about Laurent Cortier  afilliations to know wich way he “votes” on ISI business, but after reading alot of your posts everybody can see you HAVE something against ISI, did they fire you at somepoint ???

  • Anonymous

    I’ll wait til the mess is corrected

    • Anonymous

      In the meantime, go and tidy your bedroom :D

      • General Rush Hour

        While you go get your brain scanned. 

      • Anonymous

        Come on guys….

      • Anonymous

        ok rooms done, still waiting for server….

      • Anonymous

        That was quick ! :)   Is it the payment server you’re waiting for ?

  • Ricoo

    I only did 5 laps with keyboard on Mills and I already like it. :)

    True fun later with wheel. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

    Uninstalled, money back asked for. Complete waste of time, sorry.

    • gt3rsr

      NOOO, how could you NOT recognize this is the best racing simulation of all time with state-of-the-art engine and mind-blowing visuals which totally blows away all those pitifully outdated crap sims like iRacing, LFS or nK Pro???

    • Nathan Robinson

      You could have just done all that and spared the dramatic post. I could care less to be honest. Like they said, it’s a beta with a good six months of development time left. You are the one who put down the money on it so you have no one to blame but yourself. Now if ISI had come out and said this is the final release I could understand, but it isnt. Most sim racers are going to buy and race rfactor 2 regardless so paying for it now isnt a problem, at least they get to get their feet wet with the beta and not have to wait till final release.

      I am a WMD member and love the look of pCars but dont like the way it drives, I also have full content in iracing and I love how it drives and looks but it doesnt make you feel like you’re flying around a track on the edge of control. What i’ve noticed in my time with the rf2 beta is that you get taken to the track and it has great atmosphere, like you are really there. Then you get in the car and roll out hte pit lane, drop the limiter, and go. It’s at this point where rf2 is going to beat it’s competiong. The sound of the engine with the terrific tire squeal instantly draws you in. Then comes the task of wrestling the beast around the corners because its not easy to do but very rewarding when done right. I “feel” like i’m racing a car and thats what it’s all about for me, way above graphics, which really arent that bad anyway. There is a lot of detail work in rf2, they just use cartoonier color palettes which makes it seem gamier. I really like the megane cockpit with its shiny plastic dashboard and the way it reflects in the window. Awesome.

      So, “Installed, not asking for money back. Completely taking up all my time. Thank you ISI.”

      • General Rush Hour

        The sound of the engine is probably the least impressive feature of Rfactor 2.

      • Marco Conti

        I agree. The vintage Formula cars are fine, but the megane and the F Renault are underwhelming. Also, the volume seems too low. If I set the engine at a level where I can hear it OK (and I would like it a tad louder) then I cannot hear the spotter. I can barely hear that someone is talking in the background but I Have no idea what he is saying.

        I’ll have to lower the overall volume of the cars in order to hear the spotter and I am not about to do that. I’d rather listen to the engine than the spotter but I would like to be able to listen to both.

      • Anonymous

        known issue

      • General Rush Hour

        And they still let it be. 

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      Dont like it ,fair enough. Maybe  you are better off sticking to your mx v atv and dirt 2 games if they are what floats your boat.

  • Henk Ensing

    Interesting! That’s how I’d like to describe my first impression of rFactor 2 bèta. 

    I can sense a that a lot of tender love and car has been put in particularly the 60′s mod. The FR 3.5 and Megane mod do not particularly convince me – but hey, it’s a bèta. 

    rFactor 2 adds something to the simracing world that I’ve been waiting for since a long time; ambience. The feeling that you’re ‘not alone’ with all the people around the track, waving and interacting is a pretty convincing one. 

    On the driving side, well… No-one said car racing was easy. If you hop in the ’68 F1 and expect to drive away into the sunset, think again. Won’t happen. Didn’t happen in GPL, it’ll bite you just as much in rFactor 2. Try the F2 or even F3 and start having fun from there. I assume that ISI will get a lot of flack because of this; people will complain about this learning curve. But let’s face it. In its current guise rFactor 2 is making pCARS look like an arcade game.

    This sim is interesting, let’s see if people are willing to put up with the learning curve. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

      I think people are overrating the beta status. ISI has never proved itself willing to make big changes during this phase. It looks like they’ll only finish the under-development features.

      But, as I said in another post, I do think/wish they’ll do graphical/performance tweaks.

      About the historical mod. In fact I found this very disapoint as I’m not a big fan of those cars and tracks. So I felt a lot left out since FR 3.5 and mainly Meganes are poorly done. But at least regarding to this I can put my hopes on modders!

    • Maciej Kosmalski

      I was thinking the same. That this old f1 cars are cool but rest of the beta is boring. But after i sorted out my fps i decided i will give Megane one more try. And now that i dont have fps issues and everything is smooth i could concentrate on driving and i was amazed how great new tyre model, physics and ffb feels. Drive this Megane on the edge and it feels nothing like rf1. And graphics arent that bad either. Not great like pcars but they do their job. Again nothing like rf1 as people say.
      So basically in two days i went from disappointment to “this has potential when modded”, to its freaking awesome! 

    • http://twitter.com/PeterPrks Peter

      I don’t play rF2 but pCARS yes, and I agree pcars is still arcade. Graphics is not everything.

  • General Rush Hour

    When you think about it, it looks like Rfactor is made by modders. 

    In a sense it actually will be but just as it is now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

    edited

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=576150421 John King

    My game says:

    Payment for license is pending, yet they’ve already taken my money from paypal :(

    I’m guessing this is a common theme – I do see a post about it on the actual forums but no one has official replied with any help.

    Oh actually there is a thread somewhere about people having lots of similar problems..fudge

    • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

      Go to “Purchase” tab and logout. Close the launcher. Open again, if still not work, go to “Purchase” tab > “Manage Account” and login. If still doesn’t work, click on “Reactivate”.

      When that happened to me, I did those steps and “fixed” it. I hope it helps.

  • http://twitter.com/adcharron Alex D Charron

    Men you just dont get it … do you ?? IF you just wanted to try the god damn game, there will be a D-E-M-O available FREE of charge.

    Please do us a favor… ask for a refund ! ooohh wait ISI is so nice, that people like you can ask for a refund.

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      You’re hurting yourself. He’s the kind of individual that thrives on conflict, where I’m sure you’re a nice guy who’s fed up of reading negative shit in here.

      The only way we’ll get rid of the trolls like the General or his best friend the psychopathic Pastor is by ignoring them. Completely. Don’t even read what they have to say, you know in advance it’s going to be a pile of bile and shit and that you’re going be revulsed, want to reply, and continue the circle. As long as those no life get our attention, they’ll keep polluting the waves…

  • Anonymous

    Just had a blast around Mills in the Megane on multiplayer.  Everyone was behaved and it was an absolute blast.
    In the 2nd race, I missed pole by 0.2s but come the race I got off the line much better and lead away.  I maintained the gap at 3s and I knew that barring mistakes I had this race. 
    Then… it gets aborted and we’re back at Practice 1 again.   Why does that always seems to happen when you’re leading ?!?!!?
    It’s not often I get to lead but when I do, I`d like to finish a race from time to time.

    Anyway, regardless of that, it was fun and I’m enjoying it more and more (Apart from the Formula Renaults that is.  Once those physics get sorted I`ll be on those too).

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      I was initially disappointed by the Megane, but after a few laps, I’m starting to like it more and more indeed ! Of course the choice is very limited in modern cars, as she’s alone in her class, and we all know how the Formula Renault drives ;)

      Can’t wait to try WSGT for rF2 now, hurry up guys :D

  • Ricoo

    I like it very much.

    Graphics are very nice with reflections on track, environment reflections on cars, heat haze, shadows on track and in trees, ambient occlusion, HDR… very good. The only thing that is a bit lacking is a good looking grass like in pCARS.

    Dynamic weather is very nice. I have the feeling the track is always different. Very good. Even rain is cool! :)

    FFB is very good, even if a bit jerky outside track, but not really a problem for me since I try to stay on track. lol

    Globally rFactor 2 is exceeding my expectancies and it is very good for a beta, not perfect but
    very promising.

    Good job ISI. I am happy to support you with a lifetime membership. :)

      

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Couldn’t agree more…

      I invited a friend who’s a rally pilot at FIA level to try rFactor2… Man did he have a blast in the Megane !
      He never had driven in a sim racing game with a wheel, and he was very impressed by the realism of the physics and FFB. He was immediately in the race, adapting the setup of the car like he’d do in real life. He couldn’t believe how close to the real thing it was and couldn’t stop playing, and I then just realized I couldn’t drive shit :D :D :D

      • http://www.competauto.com/ Theroro29

        “He never had driven in a sim racing game with a wheel”

        Your friend can’t compare to anything. It means nothing at all. Lot of people don’t actually know what consists simulation racing game in 2012. Most of people think simracers play Gran Turismo with a ferrari wheel… and that’s all.

        I have a FFSA license and do some rallyes per year with a Renault Clio RS (when i have money!). I am not Sébastien Ogier (we took lessons in the same rally school “drive control”) but i have some experience in rally, especially in front wheel drive car.

        Say to your friend to come back and test NetKar Pro, game stock car game, iracing…

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Do you have an agenda against ISI ? What are you trying to achieve, here, seriously ?
        What good is it going to bring to ANYONE to whine and complain all the time ?

        C’est quoi ton problème ? Si j’ai du plaisir sur rF2, qu’est-ce que ça peut bien te foutre ?
        Ca devient complètement pathétique, faut se faire interner là… 

      • Anonymous

        You can hear the same criticism for any sim when a driver tries ‘insert sim name here’ for the first time. If they have no idea how good the competition is, and assume the sim will be terrible, they will just come out saying ‘it is good’. Real world drivers have said Forza and GT5 are super realistic, maybe because they haven’t driven any hardcore sims? When Tony Stewart tried iRacing before his seat swap with Hamilton he had no comparison to other sims when he said the iRacing tire model was ‘spot on’. This isn’t targeted at ISI in particular, its a general observation to take opinions of real world drivers who aren’t experienced simmers with a grain of salt when they try their first sim. They are always blown away.

        Many would consider me an iRacing fanboy, but I wouldn’t take Tony Stewarts endorsement for much, because he has little sim experience. Jr and SVG do, and they say the NTM needs work, and I believe them far more.

      • http://twitter.com/Loose89 Louis Wedding

        Speaking of SVG he’s one of the dirtiest sim racers i’ve driven against… a bit like what he does in V8′s

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

    Just spent a very happy session trying to keep the Eve F1B DFV 1968 under some form of control around Spa.

    Insane, visceral, breathtaking, game changing.

    Now I have even more respect for the guys who drove these things for real in the sixties.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

    Physics good (Renault 3.5 is a joke though).
    FFB great.
    Sound ok.
    Graphics hit and miss.
    AI quite good so far, now they seem to use the whole track. But too many mistakes for my liking….and AI mistakes is set to 0.0 in the PLR by default. Hmm.
    UI same as rF1…..meh.
    Multiplayer should be good, ISI know how to do netcode. Although I did see a lot of cars disappearing/teleporting in my last session.

    Overall……somewhat underwhelmed by the lack of polish. Yes its beta but its been in development how long now?
    It hasnt raised the bar imo.

    • http://www.facebook.com/peter.munkholm Peter Munkholm

      I would have to agree. I don’t judge as much by fancy graphics effects, and beeing an avid GTR2 racer it doesn’t really feel like it brings anything new to the scene. Just makes it look a little bit better.

      But a handfull of offline and online races is a thin base to judge by. At least the netcode allready looks better then GTR2 at least :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        On first thought, one might think so… But on which engine was based GTR2 ? rF1…
        Don’t tell me there’s no difference between rF1 and rF2 ;)

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Please don’t take it the wrong way, but don’t you think you’re a little harsh about graphics and UI ?

      I understand the disappointment somehow, I felt it too the first time I tried it, coz superficially at first sight it is indeed less pretty than we’d expect after SMS has blown us away with their engine. 
      But then I looked again… and started to see lots of details that never were in rF1.

      Everything feels more solid on the track, because they modeled a lot of it in full 3D instead of just a 2D texture.

      And I think the UI is definitely a big improvement over rF1. It IS much prettier than rF1, no ?
      It still gets the ISI look though, nothing much we can do about that ;)
       
      Of course a few textures are quite low quality in the UI, if that’s what you mean… or the showroom looks like shit… Details that won’t matter as soon as this thing is modded like it was designed for. Though one thing I really hope gets moded or ISI changes in the final is the butt ugly fonts that are used to display the race stats, pits menu, etc.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

        I’m really not that fussed about the graphics, I saw every screenshot and video preview ISI released up until now…..I knew what to expect.
        Same with the UI…..I dont like it but its not a big deal because it does what its supposed to do.  And I’m familiar with it as an rF1 user so no learning curve.

        When I say lack of polish I do mean the crap textures but also stuff like the random bugs and the abysmal performance – I probably get better fps from pCARS at this stage and we know which of the two looks better……

        Anyway you’re right, I probably am being too harsh given it is a beta release…..if the bugs and issues are ironed out it definitely has the potential to be a great modding platform like rF1.
        But I still think it could’ve and needed to be more given the competition thats coming out this year.

    • Anonymous

      How can you be underwhelmed by lack of polish in a beta? Lack of polish is kind of the whole point of the beta label.

  • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

    I don’t have the beta, have watched a few videos though. Everything looks promising so far. Slightly disappointed the RF2 driver has no moving feet. I loved the “dancing feet” of GT Legends. The UI looks massively improved. That is a huge fundamental.

  • Juhan Voolaid

    One day and no mods, tshh … :P

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Talking of mods, any modder has preliminary comments on rF2 Dev / modding capabilities yet ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Karsten/100001285788249 Chris Karsten

    Rf2 made me realise that it is infact time for a update of my hardware.

    But I bought it for the sheir fun i had in RF1, because I got it for a steal of 4 US dolars.
    But the physics are brilliant I must say It reminds me allot of Netkar and thats a good thing.

    While playing my wheel just came to life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Ott/100000878526131 Markus Ott

    Seriously it is still 6 month until release?
    You guys know that there are rumours that Sony and Microsoft will present their new console hardware at E3 in June? When we will know how the new generation of games will look like, rF2 will not only look 2 or 3 generations old like it is now. Even pCARS will eventually look pretty outdated then.
    All you rF2 fanboys should become real. You are destroying our hobby. All that kiddy behaviour and statements like “physics is all” and “I don’t care about anything else” and “I’ll buy it anyways” is the reason why a company knows they don’t have to put effort on the game in every aspect, that’s why we are still stuck in 2005 in some aspects. Shame on all you who destroy this niche genre of gaming. Instead of making a point and stating that we need to move forward you want to stand still.
    Ironical enough standing still and not evolving and developing is a sin in racing itself.
    R.I.P. sim racing with a fanbase like this.

    • http://www.competauto.com/ Theroro29

      I am totally agree with your comment.

      • Anonymous

        No surprises there.  “Who is the greater fool,  the fool or the fool that follows him ?” – Obi-Wan Kenobi

    • Chris A

      I don’t, in a perfect world yes that should happen.  But this world is far from perfect.  The reason the sim community has always been like this is because we are a small niche, of the overall market, yet a strong dedicated niche.  Some of these small sim companies that make good products, simply have to manage $$ with manpower.  Why do you think pCars has you pay them while they openly develop it?  Money.  They make maybe 1/10th of what a big name game developer does, so yes that means 10x less people, etc etc, less people to work on the graphics, but at the heart of it lies the physics.  Codemasters has got better over the last couple of years, but before that you could 100% blame them for going after the $.  They didn’t care about physics and I refused to buy their titles.  But they made a ton of money, their focus wasn’t on what we sim racers want, it was on the bottom line.  ISI, pcars, etc want something that we all here have a passion for which is good sim racing.  For that, I will support these small companies that go after the heart of what I want, which is a realistic driving experience, over any GT5 or Forza experience anyday, which makes probably 10x in $$ of what these smaller games do, which is why they have more time to focus on the graphics.  Honestly, what matters to me most is the overall feeling and experience, not pretty eye candy or how many little badges get on the box (DX11, HDR, bloom, etc), call it what you will, but if they deliver that better than the others, they have my $$.

      • Celço Bento

        I agree with you Chris …  Markus Ott is a beast … He is talking like Ps4 is avaialeble now …

        Markus :
        Ps4 is yet on the paper … should be someting linke : radeon gtx 580 + 4grz 12 core porcess + 8bs ram … 1st games shoulb be somegint like BF3 … it should be disponible in 2013 … most ppl shold buy it on 2014/2015 … amazing games only in 2016 , so rf2 will be outdated

      • Anonymous

        Agree, except Ott is not a “beast”, but a stupid idiot. He has probably no idea that making perfect sim with perfect physics and graphics would require tens of people and many more millions euro. He probably thinks that ISI says “hey, let’s just make game with good physics and not spend 3 more hours on it so it doesn’t look great”. He imagines making games like a fairytale Ott.
        ISI hose physics as MAIN area.

        What’s so hard about understanding that for some people physics is 60% and graphics 30% of enjoyment (10% being the rest)? Apparently for Ott and milions of people it’s the other way, fine, but don’t tell ISI what to do. 
        Notice I chose this reasonable percents. I’m not saying graphics don’t matter at all – none of us would play rF2 if it looked like GPL in 2012. OK it’s few years outdated and I accept that.

        Because no developer with money for perfect graphics will ever make it with realistic handling – because people who have those 60% graphics want EASY, stupid handling like Shift and even pCars. They would gain LESS profit if it had real handling so we have to rely on smaller devs.

        That’s why also Dirt, F1 2011 are bloody easy to drive and these mainstream titles will never be realistic.

      • gt3rsr

        Kunos Sim has even smaller dev team than ISI and Assetto Corsa will totally CRUSH rF2 in terms of graphics. If not, I’ll eat my hat. ISI’s approach to graphics is just totally wrong. Of course you can’t make miracles with several years outdated engine. btw Why do you call someone “a stupid idiot” just for his opinion?

      • Anonymous

        Because opinion is often confused with lack of understanding today. 

        If you say 2+2 is 5 it’s not just opinion, it’s stupidity. 

      • General Rush Hour

        You seem to have alot of that considering you liked my post when you fail to understand the message in it.

      • daz

        OK. I say 2+2=5
        Format cells A1, A2 and A3 in a MS Excel spreadsheet to the number format and limit to 0 decimal places.In A1 type 2.3 (but it shows as 2)In A2 type 2.3 (but it shows as 2)A3 =SUM(A1:A2) which shows as 5Not stupidity, just fact (based on how the cells are formatted I grant you) but fact all the same. 

      • Anonymous

        It shows 2 but it’s still 2.3. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        Fact? really, so you are now actually standing by the equation 2+2=5 as fact? What you did was manipulation not fact.

        You could wear a wig, put on a dress and makeup, add some fake boobs and tuck your balls up your arse, you might look like a girl, but does that make it fact? In your eyes clearly it does.

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        Have they, will it, will you, is it, cant you, because its true

      • rui silva

        you do know that “assumption is the mother of all f.ckups” dont you, and you are assuming so much about a great many things …

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      Wish you shut up bellyaching and piss off and play whatever it is that you play, you helmet.

    • General Rush Hour

      This is why you should put down the Crapfactor and look out for iRacing or Assetto Corsa, two pioneers in simracing. 

      iRacing will never get old. Assetto just moved the bar up in terms of graphics. 

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        Awww, is the little kiddywinky getting pissed off cos the “Crapfactor” community are laughing at him and his couple of dim mates. LOL!

      • General Rush Hour

        Community? It´s a comment section on a simracing site, not the actuall Rfactor community..

      • Anonymous

        But it’s an rFactor thread.  A thread about a title you don’t like. 

        You still here ?

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        clearly you don’t know the meaning of pioneer, some could argue that Geoff Crammond and GPL were pioneers, and then ISIs base for the EA F1 games that were so moddable.
        iRacing and Assetto are not pioneers, they are just developments of racing simulations.

      • Anonymous

        Right, Crammond and Kaemmer are the two safe bets on the patron saints of sim racing. Who do you think is lead developer on iRacing? I’ll give you two guesses ;)

      • Anonymous

        Crammond ?   oh… wait, I get another guess right ?    Steven Hawking ?  Coz he invented physics !  

      • General Rush Hour

        Not pioneers? 
        Who was first with a web based game, a subscription based payment method that ensures the game evolves every third month? 

        Who was first to introduce next gen graphics with state of the art physics? 

        Yes, iRacing and Kunoz are pioneers in their own ways. Funny thing is that the rest of the pack is now following iRacing´s footsteps because they realise that is the best way. 

        Like Rfactor demanding you to pay for online playing… this is just the start, Kunoz has also mentioned that the way iRacing went with a web based game is the way to go. 

        Don´t even get me started on the tire model, created by a pioneer in Dave Kaemmer. Something that has been in development for over 2 years.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        But its not pioneering, it is a development of an existing format with a chargeable feature. rFactor was very much aimed at online racing too, without the fees, which is fantastic. rFactor/ISI was pioneering in the modding, I’m sure modding was not the intention with the EA F1 games, but when they realized the demand pioneered a moddable game for the masses.

        I don’t who did introduce next gen graphics first? Dirt perhaps? Iracing is still DX9. Even then, I don’t think it is that special either, its prettier than rFactor sure, but nextgen, hardly, Shift looks next gen on Dx9, not saying its a sim, just what DX9 can look like.

        Perhaps others are following, but atleast with rFactor I am not forced to continue the online subscription, I prefer AI because of the tools online, or the inconvenience I felt when tied down to league racing, so I have given up so I can just have a race when I want how I want and don’t have to worry about twats at the first corner, other people complaining of lag and wanting a restart.

        I wasn’t going to start on tyre model, but surely even if you are a fanboy of iracing and Mr Kaemmer, you have to appreciate the tyre deformation of rFactor, we’ve all seen punctures before, but squishable tyres, thats new and looks great, even if only a graphical gimmick, and those flat spots are pretty awesome too. I only had time for about 30 minutes of play last night, but I appreciated the effort and thought that went into that.

      • Anonymous

        IRacing’s new tire model accounts for tire deformation in all 3 axes (vertical, horizontal, torsional), best I can tell rFactor only does vertical. Difference is iRacing doesn’t have pretty visuals with it or flat spots (yet, they are planned).

      • Anonymous

        Pioneers :)   You’ve mentioned the wonderfulness of Assetto Corsa a few times now and it’s not even out yet, so you’re praising it on pure assumption just to try and bolster your argument against rFactor.

        I dunno why you and Markus can’t just state that rF2 isn’t for you and leave alone the people that like it.  Why go on and on nitpicking and bringing it down for everyone ?
        iRacing was old from the start btw.  It’s using NR2003 engine as a base don’t forget.  How far back to you want to go ?
        Or is it that older game engines don’t matter all of a sudden ?  It seems to with other sims, notable RACE07 and rF1.

        We get that you are both against rF2 but you spend most of your time here (the both of you) and it seems you derive joy from slagging it off as if to try and belittle those that do like it.
        Well, we ain’t gonna feel bad for liking it so good luck with that.

    • http://twitter.com/macmani_ac pascal müller

      so wrong in sooo many ways. 

      isi wants to deliver a solid base game. Look at the cars and tracks from ISI in rf1. Compared to what the community brought out it…the standard cars were outdated too. They don’t care much about graphics, they’re focused to deliver something the community can work with.
      As Chris mentioned…it’s all about money. Take a look at GT 5 & Forza 4. They both look pritty. But if they don’t deliver the kind of realism you’d expect you’r not happy. Even if the Graphics are outstanding. Only few know how a real racing car behaves. All the others can only imagine that and with that imagination they judge about a good or a bad sim. But all that doesn’t matter.

                                                              IT’S JUST A BETA

      All we can do is to support those little companies with our feedback and in case of pCARS with money. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Now this is getting ridiculous. You make absolutely no sense. Please stop polluting VirtualR with your hatred and get yourself psychological attention…

      There’s absolutely no need to argue about such troll post. Obviously, the only thing you’re desperately trying to get is attention.

      I’m deeply sad for you and all the other trolls around what was once a very friendly community.
      If Montoya allows this kind of behaviour to be the norm, I’m outta VirtualR for good.

      • Anonymous

        “I’m outta VirtualR for good.” Good, take your “psychological treatment” fail with you and don’t come back.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Oh here’s the one that called me a fucking fag on the other thread… 

      • Anonymous

        Go cry, emo kid…

      • Anonymous

        he called you a fing fag and now says stuff like this and he is not banned? I must admit, that is not right at all…

        argument is one thing, a bit of trolling is another, but insults is where the ban hammer should come out immediately.

    • http://twitter.com/PeterPrks Peter

      So you like Shift 2 or same shity game. With blury ultra mega super console graphics and bad very bad handling and everything. pCars is still little arcade and handling is not good. rFactor is not comercial crap for everyone. Nowadays everybody wants ultra graphics and forgot gameplay.

      It is beta, not include every graphics feathures. Raindrop are off and many many more. 

      • gt3rsr

        Blah, blah, blah, blah, graphics is not important, only “physics” matters and rFactor has the best physics in the whole universe and everything else is sooo arcadish and consolish commercial crap… oh come on, the same arguments all over and over again. iRacing has none of those shiny post-fx and IMO graphics-wise it still is head and shoulders above rF2.

      • Luke Maple

        Ive got to admit that the graphics in iracing are great and they keep improving them too but i’m not really gonna compare them until its in final status but i’m not too optimistic! lets all be honest, to say that RF1 had the best physics is more or less a joke…the mods are created by people who best guess the physics with a few numbers they can get hold of! But still we all have a lot of fun with it!!

        It also seems to me that most would of been happy with RF1 physics on a next gen graphics engine rather than the other way round!

        Its just another title to choose from! it will be great when the mods arrive!

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        Ahhh, I get it now. I’ve noticed that quite a few of the rF2 dissenters mention the word iRacing.

        Some people feel obviously feel threatened by rFactor and feel the need to bash it just so they can justify paying for for their rentable sim racer.

      • rui silva

        hehehe you found the wound and rubbed salt in it ^^, agreed in form and gender

      • General Rush Hour

        Threatened? Seriously? By this? HAHAHAHAHAHA it´s Rfactor 1 for god sake… what´s to fear? 

        iRacing and Assetto Corsa is for people that appreciate realism, graphics, and the best physics.

        Rfactor is for people that likes mods (we like the real deal) and likes to stand still in evolution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        to a degree yes, I love mods, it means that I had thousands and thousands of hours of fun with rF1 for a £30 payment. I’ve been able to race F1 cars, old and new, A1GP cars, 90s touring cars, 60 and 70s GT and TC cars, modern era cars of all genres, hacked mods from of Race WTCC (before I owned it), GT cars ripped from GTR2, prototypes or 2CVs and on the best tracks ever made.

        No other game has most of NZs race tracks, or Australias for that matter, as well as all the other lesser known tracks from around the world, instead of all the same boring ones that appear in every game released (monotone voice) ooh, how exciting…Monza, I’ve not raced that one a thousand times before.

        So for that reason alone rF wins in my books. The game owes me nothing, whereas Iracing would owe me thousands of $$$$ for the same enjoyment, and as Assetto isn’t even out, so that is irrelevant at this stage.

        I love rFactor and Race 07 because I can easily tailor an offline season to the cars I want on the tracks I want, and no season is ever the same. 

      • General Rush Hour

        Mods created with physics made from imagination and not real numbers. 
        Tracks created from onboard videos where nothing really resembles the real thing. 

        Some people like quantity, some likes quality. 

        It´s like Seiko vs Rolex. They both show the time but the resemblance stops there.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

        And there you have it in a nutshell dont you> Anyone who even considers spending thousands of pounds on a wristwatch simply has too much money to burn!  It is pure aesthetics!  They all do the same thing, as a cheap mobile phone does, but if you want fancy features and 100 meter dive depth then you pay insane money for it.
        I racing is very, very good, but it is very American and also very expensive as you build up to racing many formulas.

        As someone said earlier, though it was a pain in the arse initially for me to get this working, its a test sim basically. Why do many of the professional sim and F1 teams use RF base program?

        Maybe coz through it all it’s the best one

      • General Rush Hour

        No it´s not. Someone who buys a Rolex appreciates the workmanship. 

        Just as we do when we see a handbuilt car like an old Royce. You however would be satisfied with a Fiat Punto… “Hey it´s the same, i have a wheel and pedals….” 

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        Again, a poor analogy with cars, I would appreciate an old handbuilt porsche, but not a rolls, its full of pomp that people demand instead of earn. And anyway, being able to afford, and appreciating something, is entirely different, I appreciate a Maserati Quattoporte and if I could justify it, would buy one, but I don’t feel the same for a Merc, cos I simply don’t like the marque.

        What I think you are referring to, is preference of one brand over another just because it costs more and looks more flashy. 

        And someone who buys a rolex, wants to be noticed! People buy them because they can and like what it makes people think of them, I bet 95% of Rolex purchasers do so without a 2nd thought to the workmanship.

      • Anonymous

        People do not buy Rolex’s to appreciate the workmanship :)   It’s for bragging rights and a show of wealth.   You want to appreciate workmanship, buy a hand-carved cuckoo clock :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.baxter2 Kris Baxter

        imagination or not, I am racing on a pretty good version, and in the case of several of the NZ tracks, a pretty good looking track that is not available in anything else, I have about 100 very good quality tracks I race on, about 70 of which are new to sim racing, so its great, and Assetto or Iracing may have better graphics, but I don’t care if I have to look at the same 30 tracks for the  foreseeable future of sim racing. Having the choice is great, and whilst not real, feeling like I am racing at Ruapuna or Pukekohe in a V8Supercar or Volvo P1800 is better than doing another race at the same track, again, in Iracing.

        The watch analogy is not true either, Rolex are just over blinged, overhyped, well marketed watches, and do not tell the time any better than a cheaper watch. In fact, My £200 Casio would tell the time better than any Rolex (unless it shares the same tech) as mine checks military time every night to sync up. So apart from a diamond here or there, which is neither here nor there in the actual function of a watch, its purpose is to tell time, not offer lazer scanner tracks that the average user would not appreciate anyway.

      • http://www.facebook.com/nick.ren.12 Nick Ren

        i want to play RF2 beta for free so i can decide if its good enough for my money, also at this stage im back to realest sim Gran Turismo 5 and Shift is a great challenging game, just because game has great physics i doesnt mean its challenging, to me first r factor is way to easy, i started using PS3 controller to make it more challenging, look just being honest here

    • http://twitter.com/Tigerteeth Paul Evans

      Far from ‘destroying our hobby’, a game like rFactor actually helps to support it – it gives the opportunity for individuals to develop and submit mods and show their talent. No rFactor means no CTDP, Enduracers, RMT and the like. 

      And no VirtualR, which has become a bigger and better resource over the last few years for sim racing – no doubt helped by the interest in PC titles like rFactor. And allows you and I to post comments about the state of racing sims.

      That’s my definition of a hobby – allowing everyone to participate in something they enjoy and contribute if they want to. RF2 is not aiming to compete with a console title in terms of looks and polish, it’s priorities are elsewhere. The feedback from the modding groups so far is very good, so we can expect some outstanding mods in the near future.

      That’s the point of rFactor – it’s a modding platform for groups to develop content for, not a mainstream commercial title. Comparing it with a console release is pointless as the target market is completely different. If you think that people playing racing games on a console will suddenly drop their gaming pads and buy RF2 in their droves because it looks nice and shiny, then prepared to be disappointed. It’s just not that type of game. 

      There are plenty of racing games out there to get your fix. If RF2 doesn’t do it for you, then perhaps you should try one of those instead.
       
      Coding for a platform that is constantly evolving is far more difficult than producing a title for a console – we’re extremely fortunate that developers still can be bothered to support the PC at all.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Ott/100000878526131 Markus Ott

      I am pretty much amazed about you guys using the same old arguments over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and it doesn’t get old for you. Besides the fact most of you are unable to read my post correctly. It’s just crazy that you guys assume I like Shift, console games and arcade games, nothing of all that stuff can be found in any of my words. Obviously you are just proofing me.
      Furthermore Montaya for sure lets himself blackmail with comments like “I am out of here, you are all evil and not thinking my way!”. Awesome that there are so many guys that find it bad that this genre evolves and more gamers come here to get informations, gamers that are not stuck in the past and don’t think it’s their job to cheer for ISI whatever they produce, just because it is ISI.
      At least you guys can be sure about one thing: fanboyism is not just a bad phenomenon in this genre, it brings gaming, especially PC gaming, down in all other departments, too.

      • http://twitter.com/Tigerteeth Paul Evans

        I read your post very carefully and replied – you cannot label everyone who disagrees with you as a fanboy. Perhaps you would like to make a more constructive post to put your point across about the state of PC sim racing, and say where changes need to made. If you do this, then you might get a decent discussion going.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Ott/100000878526131 Markus Ott

        That would truely kill the meaning of a comment system for a news. In fact I thought about writing a column about the dangerous state of sim racing and maybe Montaya puts it on virtualr. Even more I am worried my english is not good enough to put my all my points into the right light and describe them correctly :)

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        Your English seems to be fine. (probably better than mine in all honesty :-) )

        Dont see the point of your constant moaning though. As someone else says, for the first time in years, we are going to have a few sims to choose from.
        If you dont like one, fair enough but to say that rFactor 2 will destroy the sim racing genre is daft.
        The masses will decide if rFactor 2, Assou Ekotto or whatever its called and whatever else is a success or not.

      • http://twitter.com/Tigerteeth Paul Evans

        That sounds like a good idea – an observation rather than a statement about the state of sim racing would make an interesting read. 

      • rui silva

        well column or not it still would be your opinion about “the scene” right now, and alas, opinions are like noses ( everyone has one … )

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *
      • Anonymous

        Q: How does he smell ??  
        A: TERRIBLE !!   

        Boooooooo….

      • Anonymous

        oh… and i think its written Montoya i guess :)

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

      • Maciej Kosmalski

        i don’t get how one game can destroy sim genre. This year will be released (probably) pCARS, GTR3, Asetto Corsa, Kart sim, RF2.
        I dont see any threat for us. Eeach of this games have its week & strong sides. One has great graphics, other much more features. Whats the problem? pick the one you like & have fun.

      • http://profiles.google.com/ericmparks Eric Parks

        The sim race community could die as the PC industry as a whole dies. Thanks to tablets I’ve built my last desktop PC. I simply don’t require a PC for any purpose other than for playing racing sims and for photo editing. Adobe is working on iPad software to take care of the photo editing. So that will officially turn my PC into a $1000 sim racing rig. 

        I love sim racing, but after this computer dies/grows outdated I’m not building another for one singular purpose. R Factor, iRacing, and CARS need to start thinking about the future. Desktop PC’s are at the end of their lives. Offices will be going to virtualization soon, and they simply are no longer needed for home use. Consoles are the way to go. God knows I’d love to see more than 3,000 people online each time I log into iRacing….and that would happen on a console.

      • General Rush Hour

        Consoles are not the way to go… It never will be the way to go either. 
        Everyone said the same thing when PS3, and Xbox arrived. 

        Now they are last gen with developers unsure if they even should develop a game for it or wait for the next one. 

        Consoles move forward in steps decided by Sony or Microsoft.
        PC world moves forward every single day.

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        F**k me… I actually agree with you about summat. :-)

      • General Rush Hour

        Please don´t, i liked it when we did not agree :P

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        I have to leave it to you, you seem like a very complex man… interesting…

      • http://profiles.google.com/ericmparks Eric Parks

        The difference is, when the Xbox/PS3 arrived the PC industry was still thriving. However, now that industry’s glory days are in the past. In a few years time desktop PC’s will be scarce in homes. They won’t be needed for web surfing, doing homework, playing games, watching movies, managing photos, or any other entertainment purpose we currently have for them.

        They will be tools for research, used for design and engineering, and that’s about it. The question is, how many people are going to be willing to build a PC simply for sim racing if they have no other purpose for one? I know for one I will not.

        With downloadable content now the norm there is no reason a sim like iRacing couldn’t be duplicated on the console. They would have change their business model of course since they couldn’t do yearly subscriptions, but they’d also attract many more users if you can play it on a $300 xBox opposed to a $1000+ PC.

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        As it presently stands, consoles are primarily used by kids

        Cant see the younger console fan base being able to shell out the readies to rent a sim like iracing, never mind shelling out the readies to buy a wheel and pedals. Cant even see the vast majority of them having the patience to bother playing a real sim.

        Most of of the console crowd these days would probably prefer to play Burnout, Flatout or Outrun rather than iRacing or rFactor 2.

        Remember what a disaster Race was on the Xbox. The kiddies simply aren’t interested in simulations these days nad if iRacing or rFactor 2 went console they would probably sink without trace on those platforms.

      • General Rush Hour

        It´s still thriving.. That´s why DICE for example developed the PC version all by itself to ensure the PC gamers could get the bets possible experience. 

        The reason for releasing it to consoles is nothing more then getting more money in the pocket. 

        No i can guarantee you nobody would want to play iRacing on a console. Because it would be dumbed down to the level of GT5 or Forza meaning the whole point of the game is now irrelevant.

      • Anonymous

        If they make a console powerful enough to run a Sim like rFactor2 or iRacing smoothly at full details, be sure friend, it will not cost you 300$

        PC hardware is very active these days, and i think there is a long way until you can buy an affordable device that enables you to do everything you do with a PC.

        Cheers.

      • http://profiles.google.com/ericmparks Eric Parks

        @naifixx
        Yes, the next consoles will be $300-400 (Unless Sony decides on another $600 blunder like they did with the PS3 before lowering the price). Also yes, they will be powerful enough to run a race sim. What exactly are the race sims doing that impresses you more than a game like Forza or Gran Turismo is doing? Do current sims look better than those games? I think so, by a bit…and the current consoles are 6 years old now. The next gen won’t have any problem what so ever powering a sim.

        @General Rush Hour I also don’t see why it would have to be dumbed at all. Port the exact same game over, and done. Who in their right mind would rather build a gaming PC, or buy one from (insert vendor here) instead of simply buying a relatively inexpensive console? I imagine just as many of the same people would play iRacing/Rfactor as they do now. The only difference is consoles open them up to a much larger audience. 

        @* LeazesNDR * Kid’s primarily use consoles? Implying mainly adults use PC games? I’d love to see some numbers supporting this claim. I’m in my 30′s, as are my friends. Most all of them have consoles, but not a single one has a PC capable of playing a race sim. Every single one of them loved iRacing when I let them test it, but they didn’t love it enough to buy/build a computer just for it.

      • General Rush Hour

        What? you cant just copy and paste the stuff and expect it to work. the PS3 is one of the hardest consoles ever to produce a game for. Hell even Polyphony Digital, owned by Sony had 5 years and they could not squeeze out all the potential of it. 

        The architecture of it is so different then anything else that you can´t simply press cntrl+C-cntrl+v and think you have ported the game. 

        It will be dumbed down because a PS3 or Xbox won´t be able to handle a game like iRacing. 

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        Implying that adults are far more inclined to buy and play sims than the younger ones actually but I respect your point of view though I dont necessarily agree with it.

      • http://twitter.com/Trux1 Trux1

        PC gaming has ALWAYS been niche. When it was the main platform the average Joe did his gaming down the local arcade as PC’s were too expensive. Most earlier developers folded as they simply didn’t make money. Consoles were and always will be for the masses. Companies like EA survived because they focused on consoles. 
        Look at the size of most of the well known PC dev teams. They are tiny in comparison to the well known console dev teams. 

        PC’s are the only platform capable of churning out the very latest graphics as the hardware evolves so fast but most of the dev teams are simply too small to come anywhere close to there potential.

        rF2 may look 5 years old but Forza 4 runs on hardware 5 years old so you have to ask the question why Forza 4 looks better? 

        One of the main reasons has to be the size of the dev team which is simply down to money.
        Of course it’s not the only reason. rF2 is far more complex than a console game however I’ll bet money is the main reason.

        Also piracy has always been a bigger problem for PC’s which in turn hurts the devs. 

        Some people will happily spend $$$ on the latest GPU but won’t shell out $ to support the companies that bring us these titles then they complain at the devs that it doesn’t meet there high expectations. 
        And people say console gamers are bad!

        The PC is not a dead platform. Sure it took a hit when the 360 and PS3 were released and it will do again when next gen hits the shelves but don’t forget one thing….

        In order to develop a console title you need a PC.

      • Anonymous

        The reason console games look better is they are optimized for exactly one hardware configuration, including CPU/GPU specific optimizations. It only runs well because it doesn’t need to work on lots of hardware.

      • Anonymous

        GRH, we actually agree on that one !    (Amazing what a brain scan can do :) )
        And consoles certainly don’t dictate the pace of evolution of the racing simulator, as pretty as GT5 and Forza might be.

      • James Linnell

        Really? I’ve been hearing this PC is dead argument now since the Playstation 1 came out, and still it hasn’t happened.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

        Of course the PC isn’t dead. It will likely come in a very different form as we go forward, but processors will continue to get faster and people will also still be attracted to using their computers, tablets, whatever as gaming devices.

        Consoles are all well and good, at launch, but bear in mind that the technology in XBox 360 and PS3 is now rather ancient.

        Right now PC has the technical lead. The next generation consoles will likely jump ahead in some areas and, as they mature, PC will regain its advantage.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        When did consoles ever jumped ahead of PCs in the hardware department ?

        The PC will ALWAYS have the technical lead, console and tablets etc are just consumer products, where the PC is actually a real computer.

        PS: I’m not bashing you in any form, just being enthousiast for the PC as I’ve been for the last 25 years… I’ve seen many many many many consoles and gadget try to “destroy” the PC… But they can’t as they’re all designed on a PC.

    • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

      BRAVO. well said

    • daz

      Sony & Microsoft may very well parade their next gen consoles at E3, but it will probably be late 2013/early 2014 before we see them released.

    • Anonymous

      rF2 destroying sim racing……

      Back-away from the crack-pipe, soldier?Fair play though, even in this crazy world we find ourselves, you’ve made today’s craziest comment. New hardware presented in June?   so what?  Seriously?  WTF?Microsoft killed FlightSimulation genre by ……. making FSX.   Well who’d have known?!

    • Anonymous

      Man, the people that ‘liked’ this post should be ashamed.   It’s a load of nonsense imo.

      ” All that kiddy behaviour and statements like “physics is all” and “I
      don’t care about anything else” and “I’ll buy it anyways” is the reason
      why a company knows they don’t have to put effort on the game in every
      aspect,”

      Seriously, people believe this ???  Next you`ll be telling me there’s an invisible man in the sky who made the Earth with the lights off and has a big house where good dead people go.    Oh wait…..

  • http://www.riela-racing.nl/ Pyronick

    Can anyone tell me why I don’t have any tracks or vehicles installed when I installed rFactor 2?

  • Adrian Herrera

    Is this the most active post on VirtualR ever? 370+ comments wow

    • Anonymous

      No I think it has to be over 400.  But with our solidarity, we’ll get there.  We need more whinging people !!! :)

      • Adrian Herrera

        we’re over 400 now!

      • Anonymous

        Yep, nearly there.  The highest post count is 429 according to Montoya.  And now Ive just added one to that with this one. Should it count ?  

        So yeah… I er…  I was on HistorX mod last night instead of rF2.  Couldn’t help myself.
        Has anyone compiled a voting scheme to vote for mod of the year (2011) yet ?

        There… some on topic stuff now my post counts :)

    • daz

      Surely many of the posts/questions would be better suited on a dedicated ISI/rFactor2 forum.

      I’m the sure the answers would come quicker and be devoid of the trolls sticking their whiney two penneth in, lol.

  • Anonymous

    I have got everything working fine, except that I don’t have Estoril .. But I have all other cars and track, any ideas?

    • Ben Jacobs

      Select “All Cars/Tracks”. I don’t think the track is tied to a particular mod, so it won’t show up unless you’re in All Cars/Tracks

      • Anonymous

        Have allready tried that, but it doesn’t appear . :/ 

      • Ben Jacobs

        Have you installed all of the Mod Packages? If yes, then I guess you’ll have to take it to the Official Forums

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, I ll better go there, TY anyways.

      • Anonymous

        Did you get that sorted SteveMQ ??

  • Morten Eriksen

    Has anybody tried it with a Momo wheel?

    • cee cee

      Good question !

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DPB22Q3UKZGB5HLQJZFDD3MQEE Phantom Mark

      Nah, still stuck with my thrustmaster T2 here :)

      Now where did I leave my spare Bungee”s ??

  • jswarthoff

    seriously, why are so many people likeing markus ott’s silly post :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HEJQFMZIIWS55MFDYTKUR2F5KI Firefox

      Interesting question indeed.
      Probably they think this is the final game (which it isn’t…)

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Or probably they don’t think at all.

    • Anonymous

      Blows the mind doesn’t it.  But if you read the list of names, most of them have slagged of rFactor 2 themselves.  So they just ‘like’ the post because it slags off rF2 even if the reasons might be totally different. 
      Plus all the likes just help to give the OP a buzz so he`ll think he`s brilliant.

      • Luke Maple

        I think some of what he has said has made sense he has just stated it in a less constructive manor! It doesn’t look like a 2012 game should but I believe the mods along with post processing and all the other details that are currently turned off will change this! I also think that what ISI have done with the open BETA is genius, they have given themselves six months to polish without really upsetting the un-patient children who can’t wait! Like I have stated its not the final product to compare so just have fun with it! 

        Does anyone know if you can create mods for the beta? wonder what the first one will be?! : )

      • Anonymous

        I’m not sure what you mean when you say “It doesn’t look like a 2012 game should”

        I mean Angry Birds is 2011 and compare that with Battlefield 3.   Are there any hard and fast rules ?    Companies are not obliged to use DX11 or loads of post fx eye candy. 
        rFactor 2 is pretty much a bare engine and it is up the modders to extract its potential.

        The beta idea with 6 months of community testing is a smart move, yes.  I told Gjon that myself.
        We are essentially beta testing it if anyone can find bugs that I know if its the sim-racing community :)   Hopefully ISI will be going off our feedback to make the final improvements for the end product.

        You can create mods for the beta. I think that is all part of the plan.  Im sure Ive seen one already but the link got pulled for some reason.

      • Anonymous

        Plus the development of rf2 will extend past the beta & the release.

      • Anonymous

        Indeedy.

  • Anonymous

    What makes you think that ISI didn’t put enough effort on rf2 graphics?

    I think its better to judge based on the retail version, with all the available post-fx effects enabled.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andreduartepatricio André Patrício

    Not that I really care, but I think Montoya is not really doing his work here… Just my opinion… It’s not cool to enter this thread full of personal insults, etc…

    • Anonymous

      Well if I was him I wouldn’t really care either to sort through 400+ posts. Nobody is going to read them all anyway. It’s only useful at smaller discussions, which are at most posts

      • noro ardanto

        still Montoya need to make his rule clear to anyone, if there are any

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Yes, but there would not even be half the posts if it weren’t for trolls… 

        If he doesn’t care about trolls polluting his blog, then why should we care making constructive comments ? This is very sad I think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sergey-Yashin/100000741610394 Sergey Yashin

    I’ve only tested the Megane so far and my impression is good. 
    I think the FFB is very detailed and gives good feedback when there is grip and when there isn’t. I can feel the load on the tires through the corners and as soon as the car starts to slide and loose grip, it is felt through the forces. 

    I never driven a real sports car on a race track but somehow when there’s an understeer through hairpins at Malasia the ffb gets very light and that is a surprise for me, I always thought there would be some heavy resistance in the ffb, and rfactor 1 with realfeel didn’t feel like that… 
    This light force under understeer reminds me of Need For Speed Shift 2 by “Electronic Arts” but the difference is rF2 doesn’t have any input lag and the steering is really precise and immediate. I know, Shift 2 considered as an arcade game but now with rF2 I begin to understand why devs of shift 2 claimed they have the most advanced physics engine in that period of time… 

    Finally, I like the physics and ffb with the Megane but it is definitely not as easy to drive as it was in rF1. It is something I will have to get used to. 

    I like the graphics, there are reflections in the cockpit and outside the car. There’s a heat affect behind the car and the new hands inside the cockpit is a plus. The track textures seem more detailed and together with animated people brings life to racing. I like the menu and customization options, I can’t wait for the mods that will take advantage of the new platform. 

    With my Intel i7 920 and gtx560ti, the beta is very demanding on the pc and that is something I hope ISI will optimize in the future… 

    Haven’t raced online yet so not much to be said on that.

    • Anonymous

      Congrats, your post just broke the record for no. of posts in a thread on vr :)

      Nice detailed post too.  I think the Megane is my favourite car from the 3 (that will not be the majoriy decision I’m sure).   I am most consistent with it and can attack with it.
      With the vintage F1, I feel like I have to tip-toe around with it.  Probably down to my lack of skill with it until I practice more.
      The F-Renault is not working for me personally.  The rear end is mad. 

      My online experience with this, so far, has been good and there is clearly a lot of untapped potential in this sim.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Perfectly agree with handling of the cars you mentioned.

        The vintage F1 is a lot to handle for me too… What’s funny is to (try to) do a few laps around Spa with the F1, and then take the Megane on Portugal or Mills…

    • Luke Maple

      Glad you are enjoying it too! nice constructive post, I can tell from experience that when a car understeers the steering does go very loose indeed, due to the front end gripping less it becomes easier to turn the wheel so that is extremely accurate!

      Seriously though I hope they tone down the gravel trap FFB or at least give us a setting, so far it’s  unbearable so I drive with very little FFB!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001745111649 Ali Alami

        Nice post :)

        I totally agree with you pointing to the issue concerning the gravel trap FFB, it’s very annoying and turns me mad. it needs a quick fix or an update allowing us to tune it. Sincerly it ruins the fun i’m having with the megane so far and the other cars too.

        I hope ISI is aware of this issue

  • http://twitter.com/HM1988 Henry M

    this site definitely needs a forum!
    news comments are nice, but 431… is to much, it needs a way to be more organized and easy to read….

    anyway, anyone here played the beta with the F1 car and also that mod released last year (F1 1967 the Gurney Eagle car) and could give some thoughts on how they compare?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DPB22Q3UKZGB5HLQJZFDD3MQEE Phantom Mark

      No comments would be far simpler…….

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        You mean a forum and no comments, or no interaction at all ?

        No interaction and you kill VirtualR.

      • http://twitter.com/HM1988 Henry M

        Well, I don’t know what exactly he meant by no comments, but I think it can be done in many different ways, the news post can become automatically a topic on the forum, and the comments can be shared between the topic and the news page, OR you could create the topic based on the news with independent commentaries… but anyway, I think a forum would work for this site… but yes, I also can understand that maybe they want to keep the focus on the “front page”, the news page, or don’t want to compete with some other forums or something, but I would like to.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        I agree there definitely is a great need for more organization and moderation as VirtualR is victim of its success, but a classic forum would separate the community… I believe the problem we have here is moderation, but that doesn’t mean we need full forum functionality for that.
        Though it could be nice to have a forum on top of the blog indeed ! Maybe we could even organize VirtualR-aces :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

    Must say having spent some more time with it, I’m genuinely impressed with the AI. Have had some great scaps with them in the meganes in particular without being spun.
    As opposed to the destruction derby megane public servers -_-

  • http://twitter.com/Tigerteeth Paul Evans

    Thanks for the measured and constructive feedback guys – some really interesting observations are now being posted. Seems that a lot of people are really stating to enjoy the beta now after spending some time with it.

    Good to see the AI has improved as well :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

      For sure RF2′s depth takes a while to reveal itself. I’m still reeling from their recreation of a 68 F1 car and Spa. Monaco’s great, but Spa is just mind-blowing. Watch the Spa scene from the movie Grand Prix and you’ll just begin to appreciate what an awesome job ISI has done here. So incredibly accurate and, perhaps even more importantly, the most evocative track ever created in sim racing.

  • yorch sincla

    I’m really enjoying driving with this Beta, it’s a pleasure. But the totally outdated graphics engine (and some graphics bugs), and the poor framerate really ruins the experience a bit/a lot. Hope that, at least, fps’s problems will be polished in the future. 

    I really think that new tire model and physics are really good, FFB too, but those 3 things could be awesome with a modern engine, not with a “Rfactor 1.1″.

    Rain effect it’s very very poor. Race 07 or even GTR2 have much better rain.

    Night racing it’s OK, but lonely, with other cars the frame drops are painfull.

    I know it’s a beta and many things will improve, i think ISI can do a GREAT sim in 5-6 more months with the help of the community, but i really expect more GTR3 or Asetto Corsa as “moderns sims”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Hey, a new breed… half troll… half blind.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=645597761 Sam Binfield

        It seems like half the posts on VirtualR are yours now Laurent. I will admit that there are trolls on VirtualR, as there are on all areas of the interent, but you need to stop this whole troll vendetta thing you have going on. IMO your in danger of becoming a troll yourself. Currently it seems that Yorch is judged to be a troll on the basis that their opinion differs from yours. People are allowed to pass negative comment on the graphics of rFactor 2. If they dislike the graphics then there is nothing wrong with them saying so, not everyone has to like rFactor 2, if they did then discusion would be fairly boring.

      • yorch sincla

        I know that today someone can label you troll no matter what you say, so i don’t really care about it, this troll thing started to be boring ages ago (no only here but everywhere).

      • http://www.facebook.com/andreduartepatricio André Patrício

        Laurent certainly deserves a warning… He’s constantly bashing other’s opinion like if it was a right or wrong matter… 

        On the other end it’s probably just a 8 years old kid with plenty of time to be posting all the day… Maybe we should let children hang out in the yard…

      • noro ardanto

        Yeah I thought this count as personal insult..

  • Hany A.S.

    Nice video, thats how the game runs on my system. in SLOWMOTION.
    High end pc with 120 fps but major stuttering and slowmotion.
    Beta or not, they should atleast test it with ati drivers.

  • http://twitter.com/rs_mircea MirceaRad

    Just my humble opinion. First of all I think it’s a bit strange to ask a person to buy the game to have access on a beta, with extremely limited content, it’s not like we’re testing the complete game. Leaving this aside, from a “sim” point of view it’s very good, extremely good FFB, all in all I think it’s right there on the top, maybe the best there is on the market regarding physics modeling and FFB. But everything else it’s a major disapontment, it jus feels old, I don’t know why. Don’t get me wrong, I will definetely buy it when it comes out, due to the physics, FFB and huge modding potential, but right now I don’t think it’s worth it, so I asked for a refund, looking forward to see how it’s handled.

  • Anonymous

    Will commerce server issue be resolved soon??

  • Anonymous

    I checked if you can crack this game in any way and I have found this: 
    http://downloadest.com/?p=184
    In my case it works somehow. Try it out maybe?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001745111649 Ali Alami

    To smooth and reduce wheel rattle and noise in gravel and on curbs, do the following:

    Open file controller.ini under UserDataplayer

    Find this line:
    Steering torque filter

    It’s initially set to 0 — No filtering

    You can increase it until 32, but the more you increase the value, the less you’ll feel effects and the handling will become spongy.

    This value has to be changed depending on cars and tracks.

    For instance with the megane in portugal I set it to 16, and now passing over curbs feels a lot better without huge wheel rattle and noise. it’s acceptable

    You’ll have to do trials and see what suits you best

    I hope this will help

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1040125438 Marius Kubrakov

    live for speed 2 has better physics than this.. thing

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