rFactor 2 – Lots of New Previews

Image Space Incorporated has released lots of new high-resolution previews of their upcoming rFactor 2 title that will enter the open beta stage soon.

The previews show various cars and tracks, including the historic Monaco & Spa Francorchamps tracks as well as the Renault Megane and Formula Renault 3.5 series – All content has is confirmed to be included in the upcoming open beta.

For more on the open beta, the included content can be found here, pricing info is here and first content packs are available for download here.

 

GTOmegaRacing.com

  • Richard Hessels

    Hmm.. don’t see any previews except for the article header.

    Checking my other sources now…

    • Anonymous

      Sorry, the gallery was slow to refresh..there now :)

  • yorch sincla
  • Romain JAOUEN

    Unfortunately, pictures are graphically not outstanding in comparision with other sims like cars or Asseto corsa.

    Why didn’t they release their beta in 2010 or at the beginning of 2011? (don’t say me it was too short because they will release only three cars and three tracks in first beta version)
    It would have been a jackpot for ISI in 2010 or at the beginning of 2011.
    Release date is now too late. It is a big business error.
    ISI is not apple company… (example for Iphone 4S)
    When their final version will be finish, Asseto corsa, GTR3 and CARS wil be too…

    People want to see:
    - laser scanned tracks (Le Mans, Nordschleife)

    • Johannes Rojola

      Laser scanning has nothing to do how good a game looks.

      • Romain JAOUEN

        We want a simulation, not a game, laser scanning could help…

        A laser scanned 24 Heures du Mans track has been developped for Rfactor Pro, why we couldn’t have it too?

      • Borut Verbancic
      • Anonymous

        When you compare ISIs  Spa-Francorchamps 1966 and the real track from the same time, you understanding why ISI dont need laser scanned track.

        Sorry for my bad English!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

        Just because they use the same “name” and the same platform doesn’t mean everything done for one can be used on another. There’s a lot of legal/licensing issues.

        ISI didn’t paid from it’s own pockets any laser scanning, the investors did! And they’re no the same or doesn’t have the same goals with rFactor 2.
        Again, the community is too used to rip off somebody’s work (converting tracks and cars), that’s forgeting how “real world” works.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

      Le Mans & Nordschleife laser scanned? Really? Would you pay for that?

      Sometimes seems like you guys think “laser scanning” some track is like grab a pocket camera and take some photos!
      People doesn’t want to make any effort to create quality mod tracks, and keep asking laser scanning “for free” every single post! ¬¬

      • Romain JAOUEN

        Indeed, I agree to pay for laser scanned tracks: 10-15 euros

        I am not a pure simracer. I use “simulators” to learn tracks and go on real tracks with my real car in France and Germany (Nordschleife)

        theroro29

    • rui silva

      Sorry but i have to ask this dude, you clearly dont like rF2, you prefer games with better graphics wich is ok but why do you spend so much time around a Sim that you dont like ?!?!?! why so much negativity towards something that, like you say, its outdated and should have been released along time ago, why even bother with it. just trying to understand …

      • Romain JAOUEN

        I liked, i loved Rfactor 1!!
        ISI did a great motor engine.

        I’m tired of hearing about hypothetic beta version release date, every year.

        I am very disappointed with this beta version.

        That’s all.

  • Funnybot

    I like it! :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

    Ouch, that doesn’t look good at all. The old open wheel cars looks very dated (model wise, the models are low quality for some reason), and the lighting looks…. awful. Why oh why aren’t they releasing this NOW? Its already dated, but if they release it in 2012, it’ll fall flat on its face graphics wise. Sure, it might have amazing physics and great modability, but that doesn’t matter really if the we’re paying 49$ (or more for online play) and the game looks 2008-ish. I read they aren’t using DX11…. Why? Its almost 2012 and your making a game that doesn’t use today’s graphics cards to their full abilities? The logic in that escapes me. I love rFactor, and I will probably buy rF2, but its disappointing that their marketing/sales staff has failed so tragically.

    • Anonymous

      I think you, like others, have totally missed the point of a racing simulation.
      Also possibly overestimating ISI’s resources and budget. This isnt a multi platform multi million dollar profit maker.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        True is the fact that they aren’t as well funded as say, Codemasters, but that doesn’t mean the game can’t look good. Take Asseto Corsa for example. You think Kunos has millions? I doubt it, but still nKP looks great, and Asseto Corsa looks like its gonna be gorgeous. Did they opt out of using DX11? No, they used today’s industry STANDARD because they want to make this game competitive on this ever more so competitive market. Its simple, to be competitive, you have to use at least the standard, nothing less. It may not be a “profit maker”, but it should still look good.

        And totally missed the point of a racing sim? I have rFactor, iRacing, nKP, RBR and hundreds of mods. I’m not saying it needs to look like C.A.R.S, but it should look a lot better than rFactor 1. And honestly, at this point, it just doesn’t.

      • Anonymous

        “True is the fact that they aren’t as well funded as say, Codemasters, but that doesn’t mean the game can’t look good.”

        But it does look good.  This is an improvement on rF1 and I havent seen many bitching about rF1′s graphics.   Weird how GPL and Richard Burns Rally are still so popular eh ?  The hardcore simmers aren’t too worried about DX11.

        “And totally missed the point of a racing sim? I have rFactor, iRacing, nKP, RBR and hundreds of mods.”

        To be fair, the amount of sims you have has nothing to do with you missing or getting the point of a racing sim.  DX11 doesn’t make or break a racing sim.  CARS offers both and looks the way it does with or without.   But it’s using a different engine to rFactor.  

        I think you are being a bit too demanding and spoiled, but that’s just my opinion.   rF2 is what it is.  You either like it and buy it or you don’t.  Moaning about gfx isn’t going to change anything so its a waste of time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        It looks good? Really? You must be a GPL player then….

        RBR is the ONLY good rally sim, so we have nothing to bitch about since, well, there really isn’t anything to bitch about. But do we go around saying RBR looks amazing? No, because it looks its age, and thats not a compliment.

        And I used the amount of sims I play as an argument because it shows that I like sim racing, and I know a good sim from a bad one. I also race in real life, so I know what to expect from a game physics wise (thats why I’ll be buying rF2). However, any modern game, sim or not, should look current, and rF2 doesn’t.

        I think your being ignorant, but that’s just my opinion. rF2 doesn’t look very impressive, and thats the opinion of the majority.

      • Anonymous

        I’m not a GPL player and I don’t see why I would have to be ? 

        The amount of sims you have, again, is irrelevant as most sim-racers here have at least that if not more.  And almost all of us will claim to know a good game from a bad one.  What differs is peoples opinions, priorities and how spoilt they are,
        Your idea of what should and shouldn’t be is simply your own opinion.  There are no hard and fast rules.   You think rF2 doesn’t look current, I think it does, because it is.

        What am I being ignorant about exactly ?   Or are you just irritated that someone has a different opinion to you and you can’t respect that ?     And you don’t speak for the majority.   The majority of rFactor users aren’t here and most don’t even post.

        Be careful with getting personal ok ?  Just letting you know.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        I don’t think its possible for anyone to contradict themselves anymore than you did in that post….

        ” What differs is peoples opinions, priorities and how spoilt they are,
        Your idea of what should and shouldn’t be is simply your own opinion”

        Followed By

        “You think rF2 doesn’t look current, I think it does, because it is.”

        Doesn’t strengthen your case.

        Let me clarify the GPL statement. GPL is a game from 1998 (key point here), so the graphics are, compared to today standards, lackluster to say the least. This game looks lackluster too, just not to the same extent (it also doesn’t have that excuse of being made for Windows 98 ;). Therefore I concluded that you were a GPL player, as you’d have to be to say that these graphics look good.

        Ok, Actually, Ill be honest, these graphics aren’t that bad, but compared to MOST other CURRENT games, its very far behind. And I think you work for ISI since anyone that says anything bad is immediately shot down with your own opinion, as you try to prove others wrong. Hypocritical much? I think so.

        I was trying to remember those words my father used to tell me, and now I got them.

        Don’t Feed The Troll

      • Anonymous

        Oh NOW I see where you’re coming from.   I hadn’t realised that you were one of those posters who think that if someone’s opinion differs from yours that they must a) work for the company  and b) be a troll.  Genius.

        How am I the troll and you are not ?  Also how does my opinion that I find rF2 to look ok make me a troll ?      Seems to me you are the one with all the negative vibes and coming off you, not to mention the insults.   I’m just putting up a contrary opinion.   Why can’t you just let me like the rF2 stuff that I’ve seen and have the right to say so ?  Is that a sin to you ?   Or do you think your opinion has more right to be seen here than mine ?

        I don’t see any contradicting in my posts. The examples you provide are no evidence of that I’m afraid.
        What ‘case’ are you referring to that I’m supposedly trying to strengthen ?   I’m not out to try and convince you to change your opinion.   I’m just offering mine up as you have and the reasons why.  Your opinion is just as valid and I`ve also read your reasons.     But it seems you have a problem with mine.   

        Let me clarify your GPL point by invoking a little logic.   You said I must be a GPL player, I then told you I wasn’t.    Then you went on to say that you concluded that I must be a GPL player if I liked rF2′s graphics (as if I’m not allowed to) becayse GPL’s gfx are dated.
        So… given the fact I am not a GPL player, your whole argument there falls to pieces and your conclusion is therefore wrong.

        One thing we need to get straight here, Konrad.  You, as many do, seem to have this knack of jumping to conclusions, forming opinions about others without facts or just to bolster your own stance.   shadow84, your buddy in arms, is an example of this when he wrongly thought I called you spoiled.   It seems my wording may be too complex for some as it is causing misinterpretation.   You have done this also.   

        I want to take you up on this quote of yours….  “anyone that says anything bad is immediately shot down with your own
        opinion, as you try to prove others wrong. Hypocritical much? I think
        so. ”

        Firstly,  define ‘anyone’.  1 or 2 people on VirtualR ?  Is that your ‘anyone’ ?
        Secondly, do you seriously feel your are being shot down ?   It seems you are doing most of the shooting here as it seems you have a problem with me liking the rF2 stuff and I cannot imagine why that should be a big issue for you.  
        Thirdly,  I am NOT trying to prove ‘others’ wrong.   Who are others btw ?  You and…. ?
        I am not saying you are wrong and never have.   Again, I am offering up a contrary opnion. 
        Opinions cannot be wrong by definition.    For example, if you say “In my opinion The Bourne Identity is the best Ive ever seen”  That cannot possible be wrong.  No-one can tell you that you are wrong because it is your opinion.  They can’t say… “No your best movie is……”
        Understand ?
        Don’t falsely accuse me of trying to prove people wrong.  I’m not on a mission here.  You just feel that way because you have a problem with someone who doesn’t completely agree with you and you think you must be right.
        Thus, I am therefore not being hypocritical.

        Now, I have my differing opinion on rF2 because quite possibly because my priorities are different to yours.  I am not so much into the superficials.   I want my sim to have good physics, ffb and sounds because imo that is where the immersion comes from.   Graphics wise, state of the art DX11 stuff would be fantastic, no doubt.  You`ll get no argument from me there.
        But…. if it doesn’t, I’m not going to spit my dummy out and go crying.   A couple of those shots are rF1 looking but some aren’t.  Admittedly this is a bit confusing.   But, given that we now will have driver anims, animated pit crews, dynamic weather etc etc   I’m kinda ok with what I’m seeing.   It’s not state of the art and I can understand why it might not be given the game engine, resources etc., but it’s not BAD either.
        To me, once those talented modders get it, I think we’re in for a treat.    Think of how rF1 looked out of the box,

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        YOUR the troll since the only thing you do is go around every rF2 article and try to prove others wrong. You don’t think you do? Let me give a list of people you opposed just on this ONE article:

        Me
        General Rush Hour
        Ricoo
        Jono
        Damjan Cule
        Badracer
        Markus Ott
        Osella
        Theoro29

        Wow. Thats pretty impressive. Give yourself a pat on the back, hero.

        I hate getting personal, but please, just shut up.

      • Anonymous

        OK Konrad, this was your third strike, so, personal it is….

        You’re such a thick twat.  How many times do you need telling that having a difference of opinion is not the same as trying to prove someone wrong.   I don’t think your opinions are wrong, I just don’t agree with them,   Thats a big fucking difference and only an idiot can’t see that.

        You’re trying your damnedest to make me out to be the bad guy.  I have nothing at all against any of those good people you listed and I don’t appreciate you dragging them into it.   Just because I reply to people with a different point of view, it doesn’t mean I’m personally opposing them or  trying to prove them wrong. They are all fellow sim-racers to me and if I met any of them online I’d race them like my buddies. There is nothing personal here mate!.

        I am all for people expressing their opinions.  It’s what I find most interesting on here.
        What I don’t take to is people who can only do that by whinging, moaning or bitching.  You know, like yourself.   Funny how those types can’t handle receiving the same treatment.
          
        And I’ve already told you that peoples opinions, by definition, cannot be wrong.   They may be stupid and/or untrue but it’s still their opinion.  If you think the graphics look crap or dated then that is your opinion and for you it is the right one.   But just respect the fact that other people are allowed theirs too even if it’s different to yours.   And, like you have been doing, they are entitled to say why and debate with others of differing viewpoints without expecting to be insulted.    Everyone you listed there, I expect, will agree with that !

        You got personal with me twice before now and I didn’t retaliate.  Now you’ve done it a third time so you deserve a bit back. 

        Now you can think what you like about whatever you want but just grow the fuck up and realise that others can too and have as much right as you do to express themselves.
        If you can’t take people with differing opinions, then maybe a forum isn’t for you.

        Now back the fuck off, enjoy your sim-racing and have a happy new year.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        You know what, I took your shit too, and now I didn’t want to deal with it anymore. Your FIRST post immediately started with me “mistaking” what a sim is. You don’t think that’s personal? Then you go on to call me spoiled and you told off several people unnecessarily. You wanna talk about a twat? Look in a damn mirror. I like listening to people opinions, I like to have discussions, and I like to, from time to time, argue. You, however, seem to be the all mighty king around here, holding your opinion higher than anyone elses. You don’t think you do? Look back at this conversation objectively and realize that you’ve been contradicting your main argument this whole time.

        I dragged these people in, and you don’t appreciate that? Maybe if you kept your mouth shut in the first place and not lied I wouldn’t “drag” these people here. However, thats not the case, and you decided to bring that up. Thats not my fault.

        I never once said your opinion was wrong, I just argued that it doesn’t look that great. YOU took it the wrong way, and instead of re-reading this, you went off on a tangent and made a fool out of both of us. Thats something that I don’t appreciate. Look back at the conversation, and really read through. Then you’ll see that I not once said you were wrong, I just said it doesn’t look good and I used facts to support that. Did I use you a bit to prove that point, sure, but thats what an argument is about.

        Also, maybe in all your rage you missed this little line:

        “Ok, Actually, Ill be honest, these graphics aren’t that bad, but compared to MOST other CURRENT games, its very far behind”.

        Did ya see that? I said they aren’t that bad, however they look dated. You say we can’t use CARS as a comparison, but why not? Are they not being developed at the same time? Are they not built to be used on the same computers, with the same power? Sure, ISI is not as large as SMS, but that doesn’t mean the game can’t look good (Asseto Corsa must be mentioned here).

        You are one of the most close minded people on here, and that bothers me. Open up, and realize that others have opinions that are of equal value to your own.

      • Anonymous

        Me telling you that I didn’t think you knew what a racing sim was about was my opinion and not a personal attack.  If I had done like you and called you a troll or ignorant or closed minded, that’s personal.     I based that comment on your own comments which seemed to prioritise graphics above all else.  To me sims are not about the ultimate in graphics.

        Once again, and how many times do you need telling, I did not call you spoiled.  You think I did because someone else mistakenly thought I did too and you are just jumping on that.  I used the world spoiled in a general statement about some people in the community as a whole.
        I didn’t specifically include you.   Re-read it a few times and eventually you might see that.
        If not get someone else to read it for you and explain English to you.

        I don’t consider myself to be some high and mighty king here.  Maybe it seems that way because Im not afraid to engage with the trolls and those willing to argue.  Also I am opinionated and my posts are fairly well written and can be lengthy.   Apart from that I don’t think my opinions are any more valid than anyone elses, even yours.   
        I could argue that they be more accurate or reasoned out but sometimes others reason things out better than I do.   Swings and roundabouts.

        My main argument as you call it was that I didn’t think the graphics were all that bad.  Where have I contradicted that ? 

        Lastly, I dont need to keep my mouth shut.  This is a place for sounding off.   Those other people you listed in that little list of yours are some Ive just had simple conversations with.   People I have just replied to.  Some of those people in that list even have ‘like’s on some of my posts.  
        You see Konrad its not personal.  You need to learn that and stop making it so.

        If your idea of closed minded is me not caving in to your opinion then you’re in for a tough time.

        Your last sentence is amazing. “Open up and realise that others have opinions that are of equal value to your own”
        This just proves that you don’t read or take in what others say.    I stated that same thing to you more than once now, again in this post and you still turn it around on me ?   Nice try but a huge fail on that one.
        Just look back and see that I specifically told you that all peoples opinions are equal and mine and yours are no more or less valid than anyone elses.   I’m the last person you need to tell that to.
        You simply can’t stand it when someone disagrees with your point of view so maybe you are spoiled after all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        Holy crap, that was one of the most…. No, never mind. You obviously don’t get it. You base your statements on my comments, and then don’t call them personal attacks, thats fine, two can play at that game. You don’t get it, do you. You are, sometimes, wrong. In this case, I found enough logical fallacies to right a book about, and you deny each one. It seems your insecure, as well as incorrect.

        Did you know that my computer has 200 gigs of rFactor mods? 200 damn gigs. I hope you don’t think I have some kind of personal agenda, because I honestly don’t. Why do I have a problem with you? Because right off the bat you acted like you were the fucking king of sim racing. My computer is loaded with amazing mods, and my love for rFactor is borderline obsessive, so believe me, I want this game just as bad, if not even more, than you do. I made an observation, you made an insult.

        Another thing you don’t seem to get, is that whether or not an insult is personal is a matter of opinion as well. I happened to take several of your comments personally, which prompted my remarks. Also, on several occasions you mentioned how “complex” your statements are, as though I can’t understand what your trying to say. I’m not stupid, and I fully comprehend what your saying, I choose however, to counter it because several of your points did not make sense.

        You see, your not entirely innocent here, and now, as you said to Shadow84, I await an apology.

      • Anonymous

        Brilliant start to a post.  Always going for the dramatic opener.
        What is it exactly that I don’t get ?    I don’t doubt that I can be wrong sometimes as can everyone else breathing on this planet.  But in this case what I don’t consider wrong are my opinions.  The same with yours.   What ‘logical fallacies’ are you referring to exactly ?   Lets see if we can correct some to your satisfaction, shall we ?   I would hate you to be upset.
        Now you think I’m insecure… anything else you wish to pre-judge me on ?

        I don’t give a toss how many gigs of mods you have or how obsessive you are with rFactor.

        You must be involuntarily seeing me as the ‘fucking king of sim racing’ in order to grace me with that title. I am very undeserving of that though and I think I`d pass that on to Gregor Huttu and a whole list of other talented people who have contributed to this community, before ever considering myself.   I am way way down the list.  I don’t even really consider all my renders a contribution, thats how much of a king I think I am.    I’m just another sim-racer in the mix.  Opinionated, un-PC, and not afraid to delve into a debate.  Other than that, I’m not special.
        See you don’t know me at all but after a few posts you think you have me all summed up.
        But if it helps your argument to keep calling me that, then please carry on. 

        If you think it insulting that me telling you in a flippant comment that I didnt think you knew about what a racing sim was, then you are way too sensitive to be engaging with me.    I think what got insulted was your macho. Your manliness.   Us guys hate that eh ?  Like being told we can’t drive. That’s what got you, isn’t it ? :)     awww.
        Well you might want to grow a thicker skin. You don’t seem to be worried about insulting people yourself though and you were very direct in that 3 times before I finally gave you some back.
        You might want to look at yourself here and see how trolling you have been.  I’m just countering your every move with one of my own and oooooh, I’m the bad guy.  
        You are the one with the negative commentary and the doom and gloom outlook.  I, on the other hand, am being positive about rF2.   You don’t like that so you go off on one with me. 
        Don’t make out as if all this is about me questioning your sim-racing credentials.

        The complexity of my remarks was not a way to tell you that you didn’t understand them.  Yet another conclusion you have erroneously jumped to.     I was stating that it’s one of the reasons why you had assumed I thought I was king around here.  Why can’t you read things properly ? It would at least make your replies a bit more accurate !
              
        I’m curious…   How the hell does debating with someone make me think I’m better than other people ?   I have never had the audacity to think something like that.   I dont have a superiority complex.  
        I have to say though that sometimes that thought can creep in when you’re dealing with people who are unable to interpret what you say and then twist the meaning around and  fling it back at you.

        You`ll be waiting a very long time for an apology.  Please hold your breath. (You’ll be telling me I was wishing you dead now, LOL).     That you even think you are owed one seems delusional to me.  (I said ‘seems delusional’  I didn’t say you WERE).     Who thinks he is king now ?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        Ha, you missed that point completely. Nvm that, its 11 and I’m tire, yet still I feel like I have to respond to your idiotic comments. So I will.

        Your no fun, F1Racer, you really aren’t. How can anyone have a discussion with you if the only thing you do is try to prove to other people that it doesn’t look that bad. You think your gonna change my mind?

        Heres a thought. You posted “It looks great” about a million and then some times. Do you really think I didn’t notice that? Was it really necessary to comment on my post? Do you think I can’t read? You are one of the most outspoken people on this topic, so do you think that I missed any of your comments? Just like you and others get fed up with people complaining it doesn’t look good, others (including myself) get annoyed when people put a blindfold over their eyes and say everything is great. It isn’t. No matter what you say, these graphics aren’t up to todays standard. This is not an opinion, as you wrongly believe. It is a fact that many have realized after viewing these photos. Look at CARS, or Assetto Corsa. Now look at rF2. Which looks better? If you say rF2 then you should get your eyes checked as there’s no way on this earth that anyone can honestly think that.

        That being said, it doesn’t look tragic, it looks bad compared to todays standard though. Spoiled? Not really, but if we’re paying about 50 bucks for a game, I expect it to be pretty damn good at everything. In case your were wondering, everything includes graphics.

        You don’t get the fact that I keep saying that I can’t wait for rF2. This is the only game that excites me as much as it does. All I said, is that the graphics look dated, and it hasn’t even been released yet. Can we not agree on that?

        I don’t feel like arguing with you anymore, however don’t think that I’ll apologize. All the time you try to make yourself look innocent, when in reality your just as guilty as me.

        Also, to settle this “spoiled” thing, let me show you exactly what you said:

        “I think you are being a bit too demanding and spoiled”.

        That wasn’t directed towards me? I think the words “you are” directly link your statement to me. Therefore, your wrong. And that is just one of many things that you don’t seem to remember. Care for me to show you a few more?

        Remember the whole, ‘everyone has there own opinion’ thing? Well here you are, contradicting yourself.

        “You think rF2 doesn’t look current, I think it does, because it is.”

        Wow, you know what, here you are again!

        ” I have nothing at all against any of those good people you listed and I don’t appreciate you dragging them into it.”

        Magical, isn’t it? You wanna know what the problem is in that last one? The fact that you brought it upon yourself/those users. You said ‘show me who else I shot down’, and so I did. But later, you say that you don’t appreciate me “dragging” them into the discussion, as though everyone likes you and you think you should defend everyone because your some public star. Truth is, several people dislike you. I know, several people will dislike me too, but I never said they don’t.

        The amount of times you jumped to conclusion incorrectly is pretty large too, but I just don’t feel like pointing them out to you at 11 at night. Still, maybe you can go back, actually re-read the conversation, and realize/learn a thing or too. Perhaps you’ll realize, it’s impossible to be right 100% of the time, and sometimes, you might be wrong more often than you are right. I’m not saying I’m 100% right here, but I just want you to realize you aren’t either.

      • Anonymous

        Either you are just trying to bait me or you are totally incapable of understanding what people are saying if no pictures are included to help you.   You’re bring up stuff yet again that is not true and you have been told so on multiple occasions.    I am not going to repeat myself just because you are not intellectual enough to understand what is being said to you.

        “Your no fun, F1Racer, you really aren’t. How can anyone have a
        discussion with you if the only thing you do is try to prove to other
        people that it doesn’t look that bad. You think your gonna change my
        mind?”

        I’m not here to be fun.  For the very last time, I am not trying to prove to you or other people that it doesn’t look bad.  It is only my opinion and I expressed that.  Do you understand ?     I would love to see anywhere where you think I am trying to prove something to someone instead of expressing an opinion.
        I have no intention of changing your mind and I don’t think we have discussed the screenshots since the first few posts.   All you have done is bitch at me and I have responded.

        Posted a million times eh ?  A million ?    Those exact words ?   I take issue with the accuracy of your statement.   If you don’t want people responding to your posts then don’t post.  Maybe you don’t get the concept of an open forum.  

        “No matter what you say, these graphics aren’t up to todays standard”    Now who is trying to prove something and change peoples minds?   You think there is one set standard for today ?     What are you expecting from a sim that started life 3 years ago ?    Get some perspective.
        It might explain why graphically rF2 isnt on par with CARS.     Different game engines too.
        rF2′s graphics are not state of the art but they still look decent to me and I don’t have to look at them and decide to bitch about it.  rF2 will excel in many areas and some of those areas will have a higher priority on my list of a perfect racing sim than graphics does.
        If they were utter shite then thats a different thing, but I don’t think they are.   They are not graphically identical to CARS but then neither is nkpro or iRacing.   iracing just got a major update and it was tyres.   Why not gfx ?    How could rF2 have todays gfx if it was started 3 years ago.  Theyd have to re-write enough to delay it for another 3 years at this rate.

        “You don’t get the fact that I keep saying that I can’t wait for rF2.
        This is the only game that excites me as much as it does. All I said, is
        that the graphics look dated, and it hasn’t even been released yet. Can
        we not agree on that? ”

        Yep.  My thoughts on that are above.  But that is hardly ‘all’ you said.

        “I don’t feel like arguing with you
        anymore, however don’t think that I’ll apologize. All the time you try
        to make yourself look innocent, when in reality your just as guilty as
        me. ”

        I’m guilty only of having an opinion and stating it.

        “Also, to settle this “spoiled” thing, let me show you exactly what you said:”
        “I think you are being a bit too demanding and spoiled”.

        Did I ? LOL.   That wasn’t the bit I was referring to earlier.   OK then fair enough.  In that case you’re spoiled.  :)

        “”You think rF2 doesn’t look current, I think it does, because it is.”  
        I`ll clarify this one for you.   The ‘because it is’ means that if rFactor is yet to be released it must therefore be current.   Those are rFactors current looks.      It is as current as CARS in date terms but they look different.  CARS is seen as the more current because of its visuals.
        It’s not how you read it as me stating my opinion was a fact.  

        “But later, you say that you don’t appreciate me “dragging” them into the
        discussion, as though everyone likes you and you think you should
        defend everyone because your some public star.”
        Actually I was only defending myself.    So Ive been demoted from king of sim racers to public star??   Nooooooooooooooo.

        “The amount of times you jumped to conclusion incorrectly is pretty large
        too, but I just don’t feel like pointing them out to you at 11 at
        night”
        Aww bed time is it ? :)

        “Perhaps you’ll realize, it’s
        impossible to be right 100% of the time, and sometimes, you might be
        wrong more often than you are right. I’m not saying I’m 100% right here,
        but I just want you to realize you aren’t either. ”

        Yes, thank you mummy.   Jeez.  Whats this then ? You are preaching something I like to call ‘the bloody obvious’.   Do you think you are teaching me something with that paragraph.  That’s some ego if you do.

        You havent lived long enough to preach to me Konrad.  Do you know exactly what you are talking about here any more ?   What are we right and wrong about exactly.   Your opinions are right and mine are wrong ?  Is that it ?  
        Obviously you dont think you have been wrong so tell me where I am wrong and you are right.
        I certainly dont think I’m wrong more than I am right.  Thats retarded.
        What I am right on is my own opinions.  If I think something looks good, be it a screenshot or an oil painting, then in my mind I am right that it looks good.   Maybe to many others it isn’t but that doesnt make me wrong.   
        Another example in case you dont get it.    Lets say, in your opinion, your favourite colour is blue.   Everybody else around you tells you their is red.   Are you therefore wrong ?
        No you are not.  You are as right as everyone else.   Kapiche ?

            

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        You’d like that wouldn’t you. You again are speaking to me as though I’m stupid and your a fucking genius. Just shut up already! Now your not only wrong, but obnoxious and ridiculously troll-like.

        What you don’t realize (again) is the fact that we aren’t arguing whether or not rF2 looks good or not anymore, we’re arguing with ourselves personally. This doesn’t belong here in the first place, but since you don’t get it and continue to give me your “no opinion is right/wrong” bullshit, I feel obligated to point that out to you. An opinion can be wrong, if it is based on shaky facts or questionable morals, btw, so there is a “wrong” opinion, that just doesn’t apply here.

        Go back, and show me one place where I explicitly said ‘your opinion is wrong, mine is right’. I never once said that. Now, when you got offended cause I told you to shut up (oh no! how could I!) shit got personal. Whether what I said offended you or not is not my problem, I only said it cause I felt that this was ridiculous, and that you were ignorant. You wanna use age here? Morals don’t exist on the internet, so I could tell you to “fuck off” since, as far as anyone here is concerned, I’m 89.

        Your analogies are awful, by the way. But thats just my opinion.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        Also, you avoided my question of which looked better. Still waiting for an answer…..

      • Anonymous

        You just called the guy “spoiled’, and then later you tell him to not get personal?It doesn’t make any sense, just sayin’.

      • Anonymous

        shadow84, You really should re-read what I wrote because I didn’t call him spoiled at all.   You are twisting things.

        My quote was…  “And almost all of us will claim to know a good game from a bad one. 
        What differs is peoples opinions, priorities and how spoilt they are,”

        I think its pretty obvious I was not personally referring to Konrad as it was a general comment.  Hence the words ‘all’ and ‘peoples’  and more specifically ‘how spoilt THEY are’.    
        It was a reference to people (sim-racers) in general, including myself.

        I await your apology..

    • Anonymous

      “amazing physics and great modability” matters a lot – possibly more than anything.   But gfx matter too, and these shots look really very poor by current standards.   

      I think it will look a lot better than….it looks.   :D       I hope so, at least. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=512231406 Aaron Carlisle

    Oh, boohoo… All everyone ever complains about is graphics, and it’s getting really old.  You know what I can’t wait to do?  DRIVE IT!  You know, the driving experience, what a sim game is all about.  I think most people seem to forget that, and only worry about how pretty it looks in screenshots.  ISI has spent the last 2 years mainly working on the driving experience, and that’s what important.  It doesn’t matter how good is looks if the driving experience is seriously lacking (C.A.R.S.).  

    It also gets annoying seeing everyone compare it to how good C.A.R.S. looks.  SMS spent a year alone working on the graphic engine for NFS: Shift, another year refining and optimizing it for NFS: Shift 2, and now it’s finally in it’s fully glory w/ C.A.R.S.  That’s roughly THREE years working on a graphic engine.  ISI has only had graphics as their main design directive for only around 6 months now.  How about let them finish what they started, and then critique it?  As for me, I race simulation games for the feel and driving experience… Not how good my screenshots look.

    • Anonymous

      Remarks about the (low) gfx quality are fair comment because they are true.   

      Ideally we’d want the best possible gfx alongside the best quality physics – which just isn’t possible as there’s a pay-off between the two, apparently/obviously (given limited resource).     Nevertheless, these pics better suggest great physics and “simulation”, or else they’re really pretty poor, sad to say.  

    • Anonymous

       I don’t think people /only/ worry about how pretty the game is looking. It’s just that all people have to go on atm are screenshots………..and you can’t really judge the physics from screenshots, can you? So people are going to comment on what they see, which is understandable, imo. So what if you get the odd stupid whiner, that really isn’t worth worrying over – come the beta everyone here will be too busy having a blast, that’s for sure =)

      Also, whilst I agree that SMS definitely have had better resources at their disposal to make a better graphics engine, I don’t think your comparison is the best – even if graphics has been ISI’s “main design directive” for only 6 months, that surely can’t mean they HAVEN’T been working on the graphics engine for the past 5 years – I would be quite impressed if they had been developing their game for all this time without one! =P

    • Anonymous

      An immersive visual quality is just as important as a great physics engine and sounds.

  • rui silva

    And ppl complain about the 12 dollars a year fee, what do you think ppl would complain about if they were to include lazer scan tracks, ooh wait theres anothher sim out there that does that, its called  iracing and has a Monthly charge of around 10 dollars ( not taking into account any special deals just the regular price tag ). And having laser scaned tracks wont make you a better simracer, laser scaned tracks, for ppl like you and me, only work as Enticement cause we will never really know what the track feels like.

  • Arie Beuker, de

    well it looks fine. But as i said it again graphics are second to physics. I’m sure the physics are in good hands with the developers of Rfactor 2.
    In the meantime, i don’t mind those screenies coming our way :-)

  • Anonymous

    The lighting is so poor that a ton of HDR postprocessing won’t help. Look at pCARS and Assetto Corsa track lighting, it’s spot on, very bright ambient light with darker shadows.
    If these screens are with HDR, than ISI don’t know how to adjust it. I prefer very bright light, it’s sunny day god damn it.

  • Matt Orr

    Good to see ISI still haven’t upped their quality of content. Makes me wonder when their cars + tracks + sounds tend to lag behind what is already available in the community.

    Good thing we won’t need any of it past three months in. Thank goodness they are more concerned with the physics.

  • General Rush Hour

    It looks like a patch for Rfactor the be honest.

    • Anonymous

      Best patch I’ve ever seen.   6th shot looks great with all that nicely detailed track greenery.

      Lovin’ it and can’t wait !

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        Woah, that greenery is stunning! Never have I seen a game with THAT much detail!

      • Anonymous

        Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        I’m sure you feel accomplished, right?

      • Anonymous

        Oh you have no idea.  I’m buzzin’

        Damn that was sarcasm… the lowest form of wit.  Doh !

  • Anonymous

    I really do not understand why in some pictures/videos, rF2 looks great – with nice reflections, correct speculars, shiny cars, good contrast, chrome effect, nice light curves etc…

    ….while in others (like this pics) it looks like a bad restyle of rF1…No reflections, awful speculars, grey tires, awful and flat environment light, poor mesh, etc. etc..

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Grzybiarz-Wkurwiony/100003297220762 Grzybiarz Wkurwiony

      let me think, maybe becouse it’s beta? i am sure they will be still working on graphics as they admitted that on youtube

      • Anonymous

        Maybe yes, but IMHO, it’s not a good marketing strategy to release shots like this. And I LOVE rF! I really do not care about DX11 or eyecandy games so this is not a moan about rF versus other sims.. I’ll buy rF2 for sure because I love rF1 as it is.

        But some of this shots are really awful. If graphics is still in WIP…and if graphic quality it’s not a priority, why release this pictures?

      • Anonymous

        I agree.   I think these pics look really poor.  They aren’t going to make anybody go “wow!”   

      • Anonymous

         I completely get that it’s still approaching beta, but I don’t think that really explains why the screenshots ISI have released have varied so much, which I think was the point Turtle_PR was making. They’ve released screens showing off some of their post-processing effects before (which have looked lovely), it seems strange that they release some more without them, imo.

    • Borut Verbancic

      Some of you guys really don’t know how ISI working. Again, this pictures is not PR pictures, so intention of this pictures is not to make you say WOW, but rather to give you some visual informations. Clearly rF2 will probably not be the best looking sim game, but that is not primary point of sim game, right? And if you look at the latest video of Spa, you really can’t say that visuals is bad, specially if we consider, that this is very old upgraded graphic engine. If you guys really looking at all facts, we all can just applause to what this small team is achieving. And one fact, rfactor has never impress by how it looks, especial immediately. Jet is one of the most playable sim game in sim community.

  • http://www.facebook.com/vinhomm Vinicius Matheus

    To be honest, these historic formula cars are not looking good right now, they look like toys… I quite like the onboard graphics and the handling & physics look very nice but the cars look like plastic toys ):

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

    Looks like some modders beat ISI to one of their new features….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2KothNN9EI

    • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

      If you don’t like rf2 graphisc so what are you doing here? 

      Is someone forces you to play rf2? If you like CARS, play CARS, if you like iRacing, go and play iRacing. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        Cool Story Bro. I can’t wait for rF2, Im just saying it doesn’t look great and its own modding community is beating it to one of their key features.

      • Anonymous

        But does the flatspot affect the ffb on the mod ?    I may well do in rF2 so it’s not technically a win.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Siggers Ross Siggers

      Very impressive!

  • Niksounds B

    For all negative comments..

    remember this is a beta, without ambient occlusion, undercarshadows an so on..

    No one has driven the cars.. ahahwould be nice to have the beta before reading some comments, not all, but some are fools :-)

    • Anonymous

      Ok I 100% agree with you…but for now we have just pictures to comment…and if you say “remember this is a beta, without ambient occlusion, undercarshadows an so on..”, you confirm negative comments…on pictures. Not the game…:)

      We’re just talking on pictures….can we?

  • Anonymous

    I’m big on rF2……but crap pictures.   

    Looks like rf1.  I don’t get it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2FQG7Y7T7UL6DE3NBDKRBTXFGM Luke Longnecker

    I think people often forget that ISI is an incredibly small team (roughly 10 people) so it’s only 1/5 the size of Slightly Mad Studios. You simply can’t expect ISI to produce the same level of visual quality given its limited art staff.

    • steve2000xxl

      But still it looks very good. Its not the new graphic standard I agree but not that horrible as some people descripe. I like it very much and cant wait to play rF2.

    • Anonymous

      ISI and SMS have two different graphic engines. Nobody knows gMotor can expect a miracle…so this is NOT the point. Budget doesn’t matter.
      The point is; if you want create hype using pictures just DON’T release ingame shots like these. It’s a simple marketing rule and budget doesn’t matter at all.

      If you need to turn off postFX, shadows, reflections, AO, etc…to make internal test, that’s ok. But; do not release test pictures. Not at this stage. Least of all – without a description or an explanation about what the pictures really shows.

      If I see a wireframe, shade render or an offline render… I can understand it’s marketing…but when I look at these pictures, AT THIS STAGE, I don’t understand;  How does the game really looks?

      Just a false step, because I know rF2 will be a great title.

      • steve2000xxl

        Well, didnt the people wanted pictures? ISI did some and they still complain.

    • http://twitter.com/Uff182 Andrea Candini

      I think you forget that Kunos Simulazioni has an even more limited team, though the Assetto Corsa preview screens are probably even better than CARS’ images, so it’s not a matter of how big your team is. :)

    • Joeri Blootacker

      Hi,

      Hate to say it, but thats no excuse…. they charge the same price.

  • Anonymous

    I love rF but….those flat tyres look really dumb.   And ugly.  

  • Anonymous

    While ago i’ve seen some shots of RF2 with HDR effects wich, if not impressive, looked really good and promising. And now, ISI releases these uninspired pictures.. looks like the first preview pics we’ve seen already on 2009.. TBH it looks like gmotor2 with better textures.

    This attitude makes me think if those post-fx screenshots released while ago were really in-game or just “bullshots” tweaked in photoshop.. 

    • Juhan Voolaid

      No. But the meaning of releasing these screenshots is questionable.

  • Anonymous

    @Luke Longnecker

    This is a genuine question, as I can safely say I know sod all about games development, but if ISI are such a small team, then how are they able to compete when it comes to physics, or sounds? (Again, genuine question) What makes graphics so much more resource-demanding than these other elements?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=573577320 Sam Sturino

      TRG, have you tried to play RF1?? its not about the eye candy for ISI.. its more releated to physics.
      They have it right and the proof is that they have real F1 team buying there product for actual testing…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2FQG7Y7T7UL6DE3NBDKRBTXFGM Luke Longnecker

      The physics engine is iterative, meaning that ISI has been building on the codebase for over a decade.

      The same is partially true for a graphics engine, but the actual assets (3D models, textures, shaders, etc) need to be recreated for each new game. It takes a large staff to do that and ISI is remarkably small given its prominence in the sim racing world.

  • Anonymous

    -Argh sorry, double post-

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001061294656 Rhys Gardiner

    I’m sick of all the “we want a simulator, not a game” nonsense. All sims, at the end of the day, are games, whether you like it or not. And for a commercial product, laser-scanned tracks are overrated.

  • steve2000xxl

    You forget that CARS is unplayable on the most systems however rF2 will run fine on the most computer and thats much more important. You overacting a little bit.

    • http://twitter.com/Uff182 Andrea Candini

      It might be unplayable due to the fact that it’s a pre-alpha version, so it’s a bit unfair to compare it to game which is in the “release candidate” phase. ;)

      • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

        Quad-core requirements are “unplayable on the most systems” indeed! At least until 2 years from now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sergey-Yashin/100000741610394 Sergey Yashin

    I agree, nothing special about these pictures.. If it physics are better but it looks the same as rF1, why releasing those pics. 
    ISI, focus on graphics! people want to see something that looks good and up to date…

  • Anonymous

    Not to look at this through rose-tinted glasses, but I think once you have rF2 running in motion and in fullscreen, you’re be surprised how naturally you can sink into the graphics.
    The problems only arise when you have screenshots exported into a place where you can suddenly study details, look at the composition and compare with others, etc.
    rF2 isn’t a very photogenic game, but at least you won’t have any trouble keeping very a high frame rate.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z4XMCOHKT66HKTQPW6DE6SRHYE Pork Hunt Racing

    no doubt we’ll all be wowed when released. its only got its ugly cousin iracing to beat, which shouldnt be hard lol

  • Wally Masterson

    The cars look quite dull and non-reflective.

    • Richard Hessels

      reflections only showoff properly while driving

  • scoldan

    don’t buy this game  
    you must to pay for playing online
    it’s very sad
    wait and see for the new “kunos” with licenses and directx 11

    • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

      Good luck with kunos.

      I hope they will have dynamic surface (live track), dynamic weather, drying line, visual tire deformation and so on. :) 

      • http://www.facebook.com/steve30x Steve Farrell

        I cant wait to drive around with the camera on the tyres just to look at the tyre deformation instead of watching the road ahead.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001061294656 Rhys Gardiner

      You must pay to play online? Well boo-hoo.

  • Joeri Blootacker

    Hi,

    without wanting to be negative, as i’m a fan, but once again, the shots do not impress me.
    i know they are from beta code probably.
    i believe that physics, tyres and all that will be perfect, but the graphics don’t look real at all (again).
    very much like rf1.
    addon content from rF (like the VLM tracks) are usually much better graphics wise.

    the historic tracks do look good though :)

    will be fun again, no matter what ! Simracing definately needs a new sim soon ;)

    • http://www.facebook.com/steve30x Steve Farrell

      If you think that looks like Rfactor 1 you need to go to an optician

      • Joeri Blootacker

        LOL Steve, you might have a point there.
        however, i think you got me wrong ;) i know they have done alot of new things…
        but in the shots they released, they are not shown at all… the lightning and the colours do not feel right to me, they do not seem “realistic”…

        i’m sure that once they release it, and we get a few mods, we all will be impressed, but i’m just commenting on the screens from this announcement. ;)

    • Philip Antonia

      I can see your point Joeri, but ISI are not much bigger than a large modding team themselves! If you think that a big modding team can take a year or more to create a scratch made F1 mod for instance which includes 11/12 models and normally they wont make tracks as well!! ISI are making everything from UI, Graphics engine, Tracks and cars, so it’s understandable that they can’t put the same (extreme) level of detail that a modding team can do.

      That’s part of the beauty of rFactor. They give us a good quality base game (rF2 much better to start with) and the Modders can put their creative love of motorsport into making it a perfect sim :).

      • Joeri Blootacker

        you are definately right on that one.

        don’t get me wrong, i will buy rF2 no matter what, i just hope we get some good mods quickly, which show the full potential of the game (framework).

  • http://www.facebook.com/gulyopapa Gulyás Tamás

    It’s oldscool …

  • Anonymous

    Graphics do look  dated, but physics and game play will hopefully be as good as ever, hope the weather and tyre wear work well. and AI has been improved ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1794160844 Ένας Σάκος Με Κόκκαλα

    The only reason some of you dont like rF2 graphics is because they show you REAL screenshots instead of Photoshoped pictures like other sims/games.
    Hail ISI!Hail rF2!

  • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

    It definitely looks better in motion! I don’t think it should look like C.A.R.S at all but it does look ugly.

    Actually, the windows on Meganes look AWFUL!

    • Ricoo

      That’s why ISI should better release the beta or a demo that this bunch of picts that convince no one.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fabio.pittol Fabio Pittol

        For sure, a game that is focused on physics, handling etc shouldn’t rely on screenshots for marketing!

  • Anonymous

    The screens dont look that good indeed. Not bad but not bad also.
    But i had that with all the screens. But for example in motion the game looks great. See latest slow motion video. So i am not worried.

  • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

    The screens dont look nothing like that Preview video we got of a lap around monaco. Why are ISI using screens that look no better then rfactor 1?

  • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

    Two questions for CARS’s fans. What hardware do you need to play CARS in max detail with +30 grid with at least 50fps?And the second one. Is there dynamic weather, dynamic track surface, drying wet line, dynamic track elements (Groove/Marbles), visual tire deformation in CARS? Those are graphics features also ;)

    I wanted to ask one more question about CARS’s physics but I don’t want to nervous CARS’s fans ;) 

    • Ricoo

      I play Project CARS with an old GTX275 that I paid 175 € 2 years ago and a core2duo at 3.6 GHz that I paid 100 € 3 years ago and it looks very good. Shadows, motion blur not at full, but it’s already very beautiful.

      Dynamic weather is without interest since a race is usually too short for seeing the weather changing.

      Almost no one like racing in rain, so drying wet line is totally useless.

      Marbles were in Shift2 so I’m sure SMS will add them for Project CARS.

      Visual tire deformation is a joke. Who looks at that while racing.

      Project CARS has very good physics and soon one of the best probably.

      Another question?
      :)

      • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

        Yes. What do you think about that CARS is using old physic engine based on ISI gmotor (it was used in old rfactor 1) ? 

        Cheers :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        Again? You must have a strange agenda going on. Last time, the most important part of a physics engine is the tyre model. We have a brand new tyre model, based on the latest research.

        Good luck to ISI, I think they’ve done a great job here with a small team. They are massively talented and if there was one area they never excelled in it was screenies. I’ll be first in the queue for rF2 and have no doubt it will rock heavily.

      • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

        And you are answering to me again and again ;)
        When I’m driving CARS I feel like in old rf1 , and that means for me more than your words  :)

      • Anonymous

        At least you can’t be accused of working for ISI :)     

      • Anonymous

        Haha that pretty much explains all the hate comments about rF2 graphics. I don’t want to generalize! but it seems that fans of pCars care about shiny tracks and cars and not much else.

        1) Most hardcore racers do like racing in the wet. Because in wet skill is more important than setup so drying line and dynamic weather are very important and it’ s a shame no sim until 2011 did this!
        2) Tyre deformation isn’t there for graphics! It’s there to make tyres more accurate, all current models including rF1, pCars and whatever are too simplified.
        3) Hardware requirements of pCars are very high, rf2 should be much better as well.

      • Ricoo

        That’s wrong, almost no one chose rain on online server.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JLOBN23JCVA2NMXYCVQLVCYOCY David

        I don’t know about you, but I plan to run 24 hour enduros…on things like the Targa Florio or Nordschleife.  Weather will absolutely kick total butt in such situations.

      • Anonymous

        Looks like the racing sim makers just can’t do anything right.  

        Yeah ricoo !!  You needs progress !!  Boooooo !!    Lets make a demonstration placard that reads…

        WE DONT WANT RAIN !    WE DONT WANT TYRE DEFORMATION  
        WHAT WE WANT IS…. ER….. ERM….. WELL WE DUNNO BUT ITS DEFINATELY NOT WHAT YOU GIVE US !

        WE JUST WANT TO MOAN, WE JUST WANT TO WHINGE !
        WE WANT PERFECTION IN OUR SIMS
        (repeat)

      • Ricoo

        Keep your rant for yourself

      • Anonymous

        Oh, it wasn’t my rant.   It was one I made for you.  A late Xmas gift if you like.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=626905826 Timothy Wheatley

        The visual tire deformation is about the PHYSICAL tire deformation. Not seeing it has nothing to do with it, it’s about FEELING it. :)

    • Anonymous

      “Is there dynamic weather, dynamic track surface, drying wet line,
      dynamic track elements (Groove/Marbles), visual tire deformation in
      CARS?” – I’m no pCARS fan, but all these are planned (some of them are even ready to be released in upcoming builds as far as I know).
      “What hardware do you need to play CARS in max detail with +30 grid with at least 50fps?” – what kind of question is that? If you want 50FPS in the “latest and greatest” looking games, then turn down the details OR buy a better CPU or GPU. This is an inherent part of PC gaming, dude. We like OPTIONS, we like our graphics settings. We like games that look good on a decent rig, yet have the option to look amazing given an appropriate hardware. In the pCARS, it’s just the way it should be.
      BTW If you want one level of detail and smooth gameplay for everyone, then buy a console, GT or Forza and stop whining.

      • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

        First off all, I like advanced tire model and physics. Does CARS have these features? No.Does rf2 will have? Yes.Are these features important for simracing?Yes. extremly :)

      • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

        Have you even played pCars? It has advanced physics on some of the cars already and it still has 18months left before its released! And guess what. Which game can you go and try right now, rf2 or pcars?

      • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

        Yes I played, and I know that physic engine in CARS is based on very old gmotor engine (made by ISI ;) ) which works in rfactor 1.

        I know that they are trying to improve that, but still it is very old physic engine.

      • Anonymous

        “Yes I played, and I know that physic engine in CARS is based on very old
        gmotor engine (made by ISI ;) ) which works in rfactor 1.”
        Which only proves you have no clue ;)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        You are a silly one. Do you think iRacing has a new from scratch engine? Even with 2.0 it was a new tyre model only. 

        If you think teams remake a physics engine from scratch per game you’re in a different planet.

      • badracer

        I think, there is less than 5% left of what originally was a gMotor-engine. In next month, gMotor-engine will just be a word on the license bill from a few years ago.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        As above, we have the latest brush model tyre modelling, built by Eero along with our team of physics guys (more than 50 man years experience between them doing this).

        Read carefully, you’re posting the same falsehoods in pretty much every post you make,

      • badracer

        pCARS will be released in one year or later and only the developer knows, what can be included. So you can´t say it isn´t included, yet.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

      The engine is prepared for dynamic weather, nothing is baked in terms of lighting, everything is dynamic and real time.

      We invented dynamic track surfaces, we had the first proper 3d marbles also.

      Full weather and night and day transitions will be in soon.

      Ask anything you want about the physics, it’s as strong as anything on the market, and the tyre model is the very latest. Eero made it, who made RBR, so get over the ’2005 physics engine’ rubbish. It eats a full thread/core on a CPU on its own. That’s because it’s advanced. 

  • Borut Verbancic

    Some of you guys really don’t know how ISI working. Again, this pictures is not PR pictures, so intention of this pictures is not to make you say WOW, but rather to give you some visual informations. Clearly rF2 will probably not be the best looking sim game, but that is not primary point of sim game, right? And if you look at the latest video of Spa, you really can’t say that visuals is bad, specially if we consider, that this is very old upgraded graphic engine. If you guys really looking at all facts, we all can just applause to what this small team is achieving. And one fact, rfactor has never impress by how it looks, especial immediately. Jet is one of the most playable sim game in sim community.

    • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

      Sorry but just because they are a small team doesnt mean much. Arma 2 was done on a very small team and they have produced a game that craps all over every single FPS game out there.

      O and its a mili sim game with simulated gameplay, physics and a thing called graphics too all in one package. Just because a game is a sim and doesnt have a dev team size of EA doesnt mean they should gimp out on graphics.

      You need both gameplay and graphics to be as real is it can be as BOTH help for an immersive game!

      • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

        Both?

        CARS has only good graphics and how you can handle with this?

      • Anonymous

        I handle it fine because that’s not true :)
        And CARS is pre-alpha and looking, sounding and feeling damn fine even at this stage.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        He’s trolling… Just saying ;)

      • Anonymous

        Yep.  Maybe didn’t get the toys he wanted for Christmas :)

      • Borut Verbancic

        You just gave a perfect example of what i am talking about. The latest visual standard alone will not make a good game. If you can say that rfactor 2 has bad(outdated) visuals compared to cars, then on the same pattern i can say Arma2 graphic is bad(outdated) compared to Battlefieald 3. In reality i find Arma2 game much better, visualy to. Not because of some visual effect alone, but because visuals is related to physics. So whole experience is much more authentic to me.

      • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

        Arma 2 was released 2 years ago and bf3 2months ago. big difference. no one can say Arma 2 at the time of release had outdated graphics. fact that it still looks good today says it all.

        Small team, sim game with godo eye candy and gameplay. Its perfectly doable so ISI have no excuses IMO.

  • Anonymous

    I understand all the comparisons, but I don’t understand why anyone would NOT buy a sim because the graphics ‘aren’t good’.

    To me it looks good enough. I like some eye candy, but online play, physics and immersion are way more important.

    With these graphics and good physics I’ll have another good sim to add to my collection. 

    • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

      good graphics = good imersion.

      • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

        great physics = great imersion

      • Damjan Čule

        great graphics = low FPS
        low FPS = unable to drive

        you guys must understand that not every single person has top notch PC. Also, you have to know that not only GPU is working on graphics, CPU does its part too. And if you have more CPU working on graphics there is less CPU working on physics. There should be some compromise, and if a bit less detailed graphics means better physics and overall performance, I am all in.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

        This is untrue, the impact of graphics on CPU is negligible at best.
        The beauty of PC gaming is scalability, you have the option to change graphics settings so everyone is catered for.
        Compromise  = console.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        Agreed on the scaling. The latest deferred type engines though do eat more CPU than an older style forward render. You get a lot of extras available in terms of multiple lights and shadows etc for the effort though,

      • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

        Thats very interesting Ian, I knew memory cost was high for it but I wouldve thought deferred would have a comparatively smaller performance hit than forward rendering the more lights you have? In theory anyway……

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        Sorry, I might have explained badly. You get much more lights available with full shadowing at less cost than a forward render (actually it’s made possible). You do get more CPU hit though.

      • badracer

        The average home PC is faster today than it was 5 years ago. Just because you haven´t a top notch PC or still a PC from five years ago doesn´t mean, that everybody else still stands on the same level.
        If a cmpany doesn´t use actual potential and technics on market, they didn´t do their job…that easy.
        If you build a game running on five year old PCs and looking like games from three t four years ago, you can be sure they are outdated at the moment they are released on market….and then it doesn´t matter how good the physics is. I for myself don´t play GPL anymore, even if the physics engine is “ok”….because it just looks like shit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        “If a company doesn´t use actual potential and technics on market, they didn´t do their job…that easy.”
        Oh yeah, and what is their job ? You think like a slave, man. Nobody owes you anything, you and only you are responsible for what you get.

        As a retired developer, I’m sick of reading that kind of immature thinking. If you don’t like what you’re served, go do it yourself. Djeez.

      • noro ardanto

        are you serving the game(s) u developed for free? if not, let’s say I bought your game, then I have no options but to like it? don’t u think that’s kind of immature?

        new product development is about listening to what potential customers wants either you like them or not.. that’s part of data collection, so hopefully we have enough data to progress “hopefully” in the right direction..

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        To stop you right there : yes, I was giving away my programs for free.
        That’s called Open source.

        Now go back to your cave.

      • badracer

        Congratulation, Samaritan.

      • Anonymous

        I can’t disagree more.
        You can’t stifle progress.  If you don’t have a top notch PC you can’t expect the world to wait around for you to catch up.   I know that sounds harsh because not everyone can afford a top PC.  But this is the reality folks.  BF3, Crysis 2 etc..  They’re not going to hang about for you.

        If you’re getting low FPS, then this is why games have gfx options so you can tune it down to run on your PC.    If it still doesn’t, then, it’s more your problem than the industry’s.

      • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

        Sorry but if you want low quality graphics then eiether tone down your graphics settings or play on a console.

        Pc is all about cutting edge tech and one of those areas is the eye candy/graphics. If you want sustainable framerates at ultra settings, upgrade your pc. simple as that.

        Just because you dont have a cutting edge pc, doesnt mean the game is unplayable perioid. Just tone down your graphics. simple as that.

        Look at pCars. it has fantastic graphics. best i have seen in a racing game, and the physics for a alpha build are brilliant. Runs at ultra details on my i7 920 pc i built 3 years, yes thats correct, 3 years ago. Also using a 480gtx which is nearly 2 years old as well.

        When the retail version comes out and if my current pc cant play it at ultra 60fps then all i will do is tweak the settings a bit till i get 60fps or work hard in my job and just build a new pc. simple as that.

        i rather have the option to play with ulra settings then not have that option to i.e rfactor 2 by the looks of things.

        The fact that the both screenshots look no better then RF1 says it all really

      • Anonymous

        Just good graphics ? Cos then you’d basically be immersed in an arcade game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000427196438 Diogo Quaresma

    This is just cruel from ISI. In a first annoucement they said they would release the beta before christmas, then they found some problems and postpone the release and now they are bombarding us with pictures. Come on ISI realese the beta so we can play.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Ott/100000878526131 Markus Ott

    Why I don’t buy a game where the graphics aren’t good?
    Because if someone charges money from me, I expect something in return. If someone charges a full game price from me, I expect a 2012 game in every aspect.

    • Anonymous

      And you have full right to do so, it’s none of our business.
      You want 2012 graphics and don’t mind 2005 physics (because that’ s what for ex. pCars is)
      I rather take 2012 physics.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JLOBN23JCVA2NMXYCVQLVCYOCY David

        I just took a look at some CARS screenies, and frankly I have no idea why people keep touting its chrome.  Looked pretty comparable to rF2′s graphics to me.

      • badracer

        rF2 in all honors, but it looks way older than any other actual game/ future game.

      • Anonymous

        Really ?   So it looks older than rF1 ?

        “looks older than a future game” -  I love that   haha

      • badracer

        What are you talking about? Who said, it looks older as rF1? rF1 is no actual game.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        You and feels3 are so wrong guys. The tyre model we’re using in pCARS is brand new. The rest of the engine is being changed to our latest from Eero bit by bit, but the tyre modelling is the most important part. Any of the cars we have polished are great in terms of physics.

        I agree our graphics are great also BTW. 

      • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

        In that case you could explain to me why when I drive CARS it feels like old good rfactor1 or old Simbin games?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        I’m not interested in explaining, you clearly have your mind made up and don’t like CARS. That’s perfectly fine and your prerogative, but it doesn’t mean you should type crap.

        I certainly hope rF2 is awesome. I have nothing but the utmost respect for those guys.

        I also vary my meals…

      • http://twitter.com/feels3 feels3

        I just don’t understand you.
        Once you’re talking that I can ask you whatever I want about physics and now you don’t want to talk about this.

        I’m sure ISI respects your work too. You have very good graphic engine.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        OK, I’ll answer. Maybe we feel like good old SimBin games as we are the team that made those goog old games, from the GTR 2002 mod 10 years ago through GTR2. Doug (Arnao) has been with us since the GTR 2002 mod and his work has a ‘feel’. 

        It’s clear to all that for various reasons we made compromises with the Shift series but CARS is a completely different kettle of fish. 

        Your points about us not being ‘as good’ as your favoured games is personal opinion, how can I argue with a feel you prefer?

        Your point about them being better in terms of tyre model is wrong, our model is the most advanced there is. The feel Doug likes to extract from it (not like driving on ice) is backed up by the input from other real world racers (of which Doug was one) and that’s the direction we’re taking. We want real racing drivers such as Ben Collins to tell us he’s happy it mimics reality better than other games (including those you mention).

      • Anonymous

        OK would you please explain how exactly is your tyre model better? I’m calmly asking, not saying I don’t believe you or anything; I want details like “we have better modeling of pneumatic trail” or “more accurate response to tyre heat” .

        Saying just “we have most advanced model” and feedback from real drivers means nothing. I heard about feedback from real drivers even for Shift! And we all know Shift is as real as Mario Kart. Give drivers money and they say what you want them – I would do it too given opportunity.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Bell/714863317 Ian Bell

        No, if you think Shift ‘is as real as Mario Kart’ then you’re too silly to warrant an answer.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks, that’s what I was expecting to get..

        I know Shift isn’t pure arcade, I did try it myself. But it’s not true simulator like the other we talk here about either and still certain well known driver said it feels good…

      • noro ardanto

        pCARS is still in alpha btw not finished game

      • Niksounds B

        easy..

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Hahahahahaha… WTF ? Ian Bell is playing other sims than C.A.R.S. ? Also, he’s having food ?

        OMFG, how can that be ? He’s not a robot after all ? ;)

        Thanks for bringing some rationality to the discussion (I almost called it a debate, but then we’d need to see real arguments), but I believe it’s a lost cause… We’re just approaching release, so the trolls are all out partying, preparing to spit on other people’s great work (like yours)…

        As long as it doesn’t take from your mojo, I’m more than happy to read from you in here :)

      • noro ardanto

        In case you don’t realize.. pCARS is still in alpha stage

      • Anonymous

        hehe, whats 2005 physics ?   How the laws of physics were in 2005?  Have they changed now ?  Let me ask Steven Hawking :)

        Yeah I know you mean the complexity of the physics engine.

        As for rF2′s gfx, wouldnt they have to then decide to use or create a whole new game engine ?
        Maybe that wasn’t feasable at the outset of rF2′s development.    So rF2 is an example of the latest evolution of the gmotor engine.  
        You can’t just plug GT5 or pCars graphics into it.   I don’t think that’s how it works.

        GSC didn’t come with better gfx than rF1 and yet it’s considered a great sim.  Why ?  Because they nailed the physics and the FFB.   And it doesnt look too shabby either.

      • Ricoo

        GSC graphics are better than rFactor

      • Anonymous

        erm…ok.  Well that’s not a factual statement. 

        So no rFactor mod or no track has better graphics than GSC ?  

        I love GSC. But it is still rF1 engine and some modders like Virtual_LM, CTDP etc have stuff that is visually better.  At least to me.

      • Ricoo

        Sure but ISI has zero merit in that.

      • Anonymous

        But that’s not the point. rFactor 1 is judged by the sum of all of its parts.  The mods, the tracks, the texture updates.    No-one is judging rFactor on the stock content but instead what the modders have done with it.  Which is just was rF (and rF2) is designed to do.

      • Ricoo

        Maybe but your false statement could let think GSC has not better graphics than rFactor. Mods is something else.

      • Anonymous

        Mods are 3D mods of cars, tracks and objects. Every 3D model have their textures, maps and shaders. So mods are 100% graphics and because both titles are using the same engine – your statement is silly.

        You really do not know what you’re talking about…

      • Anonymous

        If you convert GSC contents into rF1 you will see same graphics with same quality, so your statement can’t be considered 100% true . :)

      • Ricoo

        I don’t do illegal stuff so what you say has no meaning.

      • Anonymous

        LOL!

        I bought my own copy of rF and GSC, so I’m free to convert for my personal use – what I like, when I want. I didnt release nothing. It’s just a technical info that I’m giving to you…for your personal information.
        GSC did not have better graphics than rFactor. Period.

      • Ricoo

        I don’t need your information. You do whatever you want in your home but if you release ripped content on the web you would just deserve contempt.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah and your head needs to be screwed back on! fucking beaners….

      • Anonymous

        Ok hellokitty. I deserve contempt but you stop spreading disinfos. :)

      • Anonymous

        Ah…and if you need “legal contents” to understand you’re wrong, you can just download Formula Armaroli by Reiza with Jerez de la Frontera released by Alex Sawczuk. Then..you can compare this two addons with Formula Classic by Reiza and Jerez for GSC.

        Same car, same track, same models.

        Bye.

      • Anonymous

        LOL, its not about if you did it or not,  but if it WAS done, hypothetically, what the outcome would be.  Tuttle_PR is correct.

      • Ricoo

        No he is not correct ripping the work of other doesn’t make another game better.

      • Anonymous

        oh dear, you missed the point again.  No-one is saying about anyone ripping work.   We’re saying that technically if the GSC content was passed to rF then it would look the same.
        That’s fact.  No-one is saying to actualy do it.

  • Romain JAOUEN

    Problem is that graphic engine is already outdated before release date.

    Don’t say me, ISI corporation haven’t money:
    They sell:
    - Rfactor Pro licenses for Formula one teams… (it costs dozen of thousand euros…)
    - licenses for superleague Formula company
    - license for Game stock car game
    - license for ARCA game

    Imagine when we will be in 2014, 2015, 2016 ( maybe we will have a Rfactor 3 beta version for Christmas 2017)

    This graphic engine doesn’t encourage modders to developp mods for this future game for next years.

    I loved Rfactor 1 (i bought it when it was released, and thought it was better than GTR2 and i was right), but now I am disapointed and tired of hearing about hypothetic beta version release date, during Christmas time every year.

    When you love something and you are disappointed, you could be cruel.

    Dear ISI members, I hope you will ameliorate your game and publish the best simulator game ever released!

    theroro29

    • Anonymous

      The iPhone 4S was outdated on release too. :)

      • Romain JAOUEN

        :) i own an iphone 4S

        I am agree with you but Apple company will release a new iphone 5 in 2012.
        Rfactor 3 will be released in 2015, 2016, 2017?

        Nobody will use direct X9 in 2017

        theroro29

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Except you don’t need the new version from Apple, as the only goal is to make you cash out some 600$ more even before your old one was broken or out of warranty.

        Also you “know” how much money comes in ISI, but you have no idea of their running costs, so you’re talking about something that you have no idea about and it’s none of your business.

        Don’t fool yourself, you’re trolling too.

      • http://www.competauto.com/ Theroro29

        “you have no idea of their running costs”

        not particularely for ISI company but for general business (cinema, industry…), i KNOW!

        and don’t worry i didn’t buy my iphone 4S for 629 euros but 69 euros…

        ISI simply don’t realize that other competitors ( assetocorsa, CARS, GTR3…) will appear in pure simulation business(and not only game) in 2012:
        ISI will release a beta version in precipitation.

      • Anonymous

        So you realise it but ISI hasn’t ?  Hmmmm

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Tsss, F1Racer, how dare you ?

        He told us : HE KNOWS BETTER. So shut up now ;)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=626905826 Timothy Wheatley

        Nobody has any idea how advanced the graphics engine is, either. :)

      • Anonymous

        Yes thats my point.  The iPhone 5 is due for summer 2012 which shows that the tech in 4S is oudated already.   Apple already have the next gen tech on the way.

        rFactor 3, well, wil it even happen at all ?  Who knows.
        And why are you assuming that if there was an rF3 that it would only be using DX9 in 2017 ?

      • Anonymous

        And even the iPhone5 will be outdated :D Maybe it will feature customizable homescreens, a revolution in smartphone world…..or wait a second….

    • Anonymous

      The iPhone 4S was outdated on release too. :)

    • Anonymous

      “This graphic engine doesn’t encourage modders to developp mods for this future game for next years.”

      Silly thing…. Modders loves to push gMotor to its limit. Looks at rF1..After years since the first release, we still get new nice mods and tracks (IE looks at F1ISR mods!)..everyone with its personal style in texturing methods, modding tricks, new shaders and gameplay optimization. This is the power of rF just because its philosophy, and still remains a benchmark in modding community. If you like or not. :)After this, I didnt like many of these shots, as already said….but you can’t judge a wine just observing a still life of a wine bottle.

  • Olivier Prenten

    BLA BLA BLA… You guys whining over & over should simply wait & see before critisize!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

    No good moaning about graphics……I suspect its a little late for ISI to overhaul the graphics if they plan on a Q1 2012 release :)
    To be honest what worries me more is the lack of any updates in terms of other aspects such as AI and weather. Much was promised in both regards and little has been revealed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      I’m not worried about AI and weather, they’ve been revealed a long time ago and seemed to work well at the time. No news should mean good news in that dept. We know ISI doesn’t like to do marketing like big distribution, and they deliver…

      Trust…

      • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

        Hi Laurent, I’ve seen some screenshots + articles regarding weather effects but nothing regarding AI other than “it will be improved”.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        I stand corrected on the AI stuff.

        I can’t remember the AI in rF1, though, was it so bad ? If not, it could only get better indeed ;)

        You do remember the weather shots though, I don’t know for you, but I found them nothing short of spectacular… I have wet dreams of… a wet Spa :D

      • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

        Well to be honest I think the AI in rF1 is horrible…..and a step backward from F1 challenge even, which was ISI’s last title. But yeah, I imagine it would be quite difficult for them to make it any worse :)

        As for the weather shots, I do recall being quite impressed with them. Would be nice to see it in action though.
        Eau Rouge in the wet in the 66′ F1 car……thats gonna make for some interesting racing for sure :D

      • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

        rF1 AI, imho, it’s not too bad but could be better with rF2 for sure. :)
        One important stuff in AI is the collision detection between cars and tires…that in rF1 is really bad because mesh compenetrations. BTW I know they had worked on this too…:P

  • Anonymous

    rF2 should not come out to be even close  to what rF was but a huge ‘evolution’ instead. 

    ISI has listened to our comments and suggestions over this long development phase, and since they are the experts, developers and it is their business and product, they have made the best  decisions possible to make this a success.  I am sure that even so called negative comments were looked at to see if there was even a valid point/issue there (hey not everyone knows good manners or are even eloquent in posting their opinions).  They have had mud slung at them and I have never read a scathing counter attack from anyone representing ISI, but maybe on occasion only constructive rebuttal.

    ISI is will put out a product with strengths and weaknesses for sure, but it will be one that was borne out of their philosophy, passion, and yes even our sim racing community’s input. This sim racing platform has not cost me any money yet.  I, and we, will soon have a right to exercise a choice in this regard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

    I’m very excited by this beta !

    * tightening the bolts on the motion cockpit, warming up the actuators, tuning the bass shakers *

  • Chris Allen

    Sick of all the whining geesh, some of you need to suck on a pacifier until its released (those of you not whining can disregard that).  Of course everything is outdated at release, iPhone, rfactor, at some point they have to put what they have in a box and complete it, otherwise it would just keep being updated as technology moves forward every day.  Its called development.  And it’s best said, you can’t just look at a bottle of wine and judge the taste, wait until this is released then cry or eat your words.  If we want them to finish it they have to stop developing it at some point and work out the kinks!
    Me personally, I think it looks great and can’t wait for the release!!!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think that being “outdated” is the key problem here. RF2 (on these screenshots) simply looks  incredibly dull and bland. Fo ex,the arcade racers GRID and SHIFT are considered outdated for being 2008/2009 graphics quality but they’re still amazes for beautiful visual achievements. Dated doesn’t mean bad,and otherwise.

    IMO RF2, judging by these pictures, looks lacking even for “outdated standards. This doesn’t have anything to do with physics, if i’ll enjoy the game for what it will provide (i’m positive that’ll buy it no matter what) or circunstances of the game’s development. I just gave a simple, raw opinion about what I could see so far.

    For the people upset because of opinions, put down the fanboy flamethrower and grow up. Nobody has the right to say how anybody should enjoy a game. If you don’t care for graphics fine, but don’t come bitching about those who care.

    • Anonymous

      Good post Shadow. I think the biggest issue for me so far with the screens and vids from rF2 is the inconsistency. I personally love eye candy but that does not mean that just because i enjoy decent graphics then i don’t know decent physics. Either way rF2 is an odd one right now, one minute i lose interest and then a couple of days ago was really impressed with the SPA video and was hyped again and then today come onto VirtualR and find these extremely bland and boring visually and once again am in two minds about the game. 

      • Anonymous

        There are inconsistencies with the stuff we have seen but, for me, I think if you concentrate on the good bits, then that is the level that rF2 is at right at this beta stage (not forgetting that it is still in a beta stage).
        Also take into account that rF2 started developing, what, 3 years ago ?    A lot has happened in 3 years and I suspect that if they wanted todays gfx they may have to start from square one. Who here want’s to wait for that to happen ?
        This is being built up from the evolution of rF1 and is a project 3 years old already.
        That has to be taken into account and a little bit of understanding for that, surely.

        If the Spa video shows how rF2 is now (the lighting on it was really cool), then surely it can only improve further by the final release and when the unrelenting talent of the modders get their hands on it, we will see further improvements.
        We have WSGT2 to look forward to from Arnold and we know that is going to be a killer.
        HistorX 2 on the way and the first Virtual LM track to be put into rF2 will no doubt be a sight for sore eyes.
        rF2, doesn’t have the ‘today’ graphics of CARS, Shift 2 etc (Im not even going to mention the console stuff).  but with all of its ‘sim’ features, they have my money from the get go.

        Bring this baby on !

      • Anonymous

        Yeah your right but look what SMS achieved with the SHIFT series and DX9. Like i said i was also impressed by the SPA video and lighting but just don’t understand the posting of these shots.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Looks like ISI should take some lesson in public image, at least for VirtualR ;)

        Those shots are probably much older or incomplete. The Spa video blew my mind, I can’t believe this is the same version of the software.

        I think we have to remember how small ISI is, especially compared to huge teams like SMS is now. They just don’t have the manpower to both develop and do marketing.

        I’ll just wait for the beta before making my mind of the graphics… I know the tyre and general physics and weather will absolutely rock !

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, as I said earlier, I don’t understand why ISI decided to show some shots again without any  kind of post-processing. They shown already that the game can look better than these pictures, but why go back to previous step and show such bland images again? Its just confusing, now I can’t tell how the game will look on the final build. 

    • Anonymous

      You know shadow84,  that was a well-written post !   A prime example of how to write something without coming across like a baby throwing his toys out of the pram  (Konrad, are you taking notice ??)
      I think I`ll ‘Like’ this one :)

      • noro ardanto

        ur a teacher here? ;p

      • Anonymous

        Having seen the pupils, I would never volunteer for that job !

        But no, just making a point on behalf of some nitwit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk

        Why? Because he said that it isn’t bad, just bland, and I used the word awful? Nothing against you, shadow, but seriously F1Racer, your acting like a little girl.

      • Anonymous

        Heh, you’re trying too hard Konrad.

        No because he put his point across in a more diplomatic and mature way than you ever could. You got a problem with me liking what someone posts ? Or do you just want me all to yourself ?

        Just f.o. and die Konrad, you are yesterdays news..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Cooper/100003179691438 Jason Cooper

    THE NEW FEATURES OF RF2 SHOULD GET YOU BUYING IT OTHER SIMS ARE GOING TO BE LAGGING BEHIND RF2 AND WILL NEED TO BUY STUFF FROM ISI OR START TO GET BETTER FEATURES TO KEEP UP

    • gt3rsr

      WUT?

    • http://www.facebook.com/Siggers Ross Siggers

      LOOOUUUD NOISES!!

  • Luke Russell

    Meh…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1499839993 Konrad Czaczyk
    • Anonymous

      Liking it but my only small issue is the amount of specularity on the tyres.   I think that should be toned down a little. 
      I am wondering how a lap in that car at historic Spa will compare with that of one in GPL.

    • Anonymous

      I actually enjoyed the texture work on this picture. There’s no doubt that visually RF2 has lot of potential, but post-processing effects are a must to improve the immersion. Without them, the game looks too uninspired and yes,unrealistic.

      • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

        I hope they works on clip plane flashing issue too….A very annoyng problem in gMotors titles.

    • Anonymous

      If they work a little bit on specular maps levels and sun angle…this stuff will be very very nice. But this is the right way I like! :)

  • Chris Allen

    Wow that looks awesome!  Also one thing that stood out when watching the video from the other day was the power poles, them not all being straight catches your attention, and is authentic, just keeps looking better and better imho!  Can’t wait!! :D

  • Anonymous

    200th

    congratulations!

    • Anonymous

      yep and that after removing some of them I think. Rob is censuring comments like crazy lately!

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Ohh, so that’s why you behave ! :D

  • Borut Verbancic

    Wow what a “bad” pictures of rFactor 2, and over 200 comments. Owners of site must be really happy.

  • Vette Man

    It’s extremely difficult to tell much of anything from screenshots or even videos.  Fun to speculate, I guess, but the beta will be much more interesting.  Even then, it’s still just a beta.  Issues in the beta could be solved by release.  Who knows.  Very interested in the beta.  It won’t tell exactly what the release will be like, but it will tell us how far ISI has to go.  Should be interesting.

  • Tiago Órfão

    The level of discussion in this post is a reflection of what this site was allowed to become and how it dragged some simracers down a path where style trumps substance. Shame, really. I, for one, am excited to try rFactor2.

    • http://twitter.com/Uff182 Andrea Candini

      It is a reflection of the fact that people are tired of getting the same old story “good physic can’t be matched with good graphic”. That could be true years ago, now it isn’t anymore and it’s good that people are becoming more and more exigent with every new title that comes out.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        It’s good that people are whining over and over again instead of doing something for themselves ?
        Man you’re far out too !

    • http://www.facebook.com/steve30x Steve Farrell

      These days Graphics means a lot more than proper physics and gameplay. I like good graphics , but it means nothing if the gameplay is no good.

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      Não se preocupe não, camarada…

      This site hasn’t changed, it’s only the comments section. 
      Yes, there are many many many a trolls, but there are also are lots of great posters with tolerance and great mindset.

      Just forget the trolls, the more you give them importance, the more they need to express themselves. It’s a problem of ego, but it’s their problem, not yours… Just walk by and live your life, you’ll feel better ignoring them.

  • noro ardanto

    Has ISI posted a real nice screenies, there would be no controversies and 200+ comments.. clever guys! :D :D

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JLOBN23JCVA2NMXYCVQLVCYOCY David

      They could post the sim racing equivalent of the Mona Lisa, and someone would undoubtedly be on here complaining that the backlighting on her face is off by one shade of brown, or something else equally trivial.

  • noro ardanto

    what I see is that we are so used to get either “eye candy graphics + crappy physics” or “crappy graphics + believable physics” at to the point that we are not allowed ourselves to dream about having a simracing game with “eye candy graphics plus awesome physics” ..that’s my dream about rF2, pCARS, GTR3 and Assetto Corsa, Kart Pro etc. etc.

    • Anonymous

      I want it all, I want it all and I want it now!

  • noro ardanto

    I’m waiting for some kart and off road cars in action screenies.. seems everybody completely forgot about them?!

  • scoldan

    dynamic weather and drying line,is without interest because rain canceled the competition
    visual tire deformation  ,is without interest because not realistic

    it’s a game that is no longer a simulation
    don’t buy this GAME  don’t pay for playing online 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001061294656 Rhys Gardiner

      You make SO much sense. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z4XMCOHKT66HKTQPW6DE6SRHYE Pork Hunt Racing

      sigh

    • http://twitter.com/timpiie Timpie Claessens

      2 facepalms just didn’t cut it

  • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

    “it’s a game that is no longer a simulation
    don’t buy this GAME  don’t pay for playing online”

    Awwww diddums.

    • noro ardanto

      ur a psychic?

      • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

        No, if I was I would know what you were on about! :-)

  • http://twitter.com/Trux1 Trux1
    • http://www.facebook.com/jcruze88 Justin ForzaBarça Cruze

      Oh wow, I actually remember that screenshot too. Doesnt feel like 3 years……

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        Yeah mate, we’re slowly getting old ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

    Wow. What an amazing thread. I’ve never had so much fun on VirtualR.

    Trolls, tons of them… (you probably don’t know who you are, but we do) 
    Then the awakened ones (you definitely know who you are)
    Then Ian Bell and Tim Wheatly (I hope they know too ;))
    And of course Montoya, whose head must be quite hot right now with this thread alone :D

    I LOVE VIRTUALR :D :D :D

    • noro ardanto

      look who’s talking :D :D 

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        noro master troll :D

        Thanks for proving my point, which you obviously didn’t understand… You’re one of the biggest trolls out here, mate, time to realize that !

        But I think you know already, because since this post, you edited most of your trolling comments. At least you used your brain a little, thanks for participating.

        Just don’t think you’re fooling anybody.

      • noro ardanto

        wow I’m flattered you read all of my comments

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        故曰:知彼知己,百戰不殆;不知彼而知己,一勝一負;不知彼,不知己,每戰必殆。
        Sun Tzu, The Art of War : Know thy enemy.

      • noro ardanto

        Edit: :D :D :D

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

        I have no more friends ;)

        But I will definitely order the beta !

        You’ve been a sport, thanks, and hope to read you soon on VirtualR :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/gulyopapa Gulyás Tamás

    This is rF 1 … nothing more …. gonna be epic fail …

  • Celço Bento

    the biggest difference between rf2 and Gt5/Forza, are the effects of light and the textures of horizon/ sky.
    Mills Sky texture is poor …

    But in terms of phisics i hope it will be much better than these other games …

  • vitor silva

    will love to drive those historic cars !! keep the good work

  • Anonymous

    I want a game with which I will sweat,lose 6 kg.What you want, ractor is best for fan.Simulation non-existent,these are our fabrications: texture,phisics,graphics

    • http://twitter.com/__Banga__ * LeazesNDR *

      senna99 says
      ” I want a game with which I will sweat,lose 6 kg”

      Go play squash then.

      • http://twitter.com/CPuffie Constantine Puffie

         LOL… Badminton is even better… It makes you sweat like a pig!

  • Anonymous

    You not understand the man.I mean it does not need to criticize,something we have not seen

  • nedo

    lmao rF2 is out?
    and ALL this comments ?
    must be something every one is dying for.
    All you nah sayers, why dont wait until the game IS out
    and THEN write your comment.

    Some people need a life.

  • http://twitter.com/jonneymendoza jono

    Seems like this whole discussion as turned into one of those threads you read from IGN . what a shame.

  • steve2000xxl

    I´m sick of that. How about some new news?

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurent.cortier Laurent Cortier

      LOL, would you want Montoya to invent some for you ? ;)

      • steve2000xxl

        Visit http://www.bsimracing.com , there are plenty of interesting and new stuff. VirtualR is become boring as hell.

      • Anonymous

        Perfect! GoGo Guys post some more nonrelevant bullsh*t, we nearly reached 300 comments!!!

      • Anonymous

        Always good to hear that one’s work is appreciated….

  • noro ardanto

    c’mon make it 300 lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=669570944 Tom Huggan

    far out, I hope one of these sims comes out soon. Unistalled RF1 last week now im bored lol

    • Ricoo

      I play SimRaceWay, GSC, Project CARS, nKPro, and more… no time to get bored.

  • http://www.facebook.com/francois.prieto François Prieto

    so, when?
    waitin’ waitin’ ….

  • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.sehested Kenneth Sehested Pedersen

    So now the christmas days are over……….Back to work ISI.

    • http://www.facebook.com/peter.munkholm Peter Munkholm

      You are wrong. Christmas days are just half begun. Christmas has 12 days from 25th of December to 6th of January.

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