Comments on: RACE On – Four New Muscle Car Previews

By: Mikkel Gram-Hansen

Mikkel Gram-Hansen — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:01:08 +0000

Glad you guys like the images.. and you can catch a few more on RSC http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=338233 and on RD http://forum.racedepartment.com/gtr-evolution/23078-exclusive-racedepartment-us-muscle-car-screenshot.html

By: BSR-WiX

BSR-WiX — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:53:31 +0000

NIce shots , but i do miss the old Simbin modding team. The GTR Style was way better in my opinion.

By: UncleChuckle

UncleChuckle — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:48:00 +0000

riches: Framerate of 40 sucks, as it is completely not in sync with the most common refresh rate of 60hz of most LCD screens. So if you want a fluid image, you always need 60+ fps. Otherwise visual tearing or stuttering will occur.

There is a major contention with what the human eye can perceive. The common wisdom seems to be that despite the fact we see at X framerate, with video games, because it's not reality, the framerate needs to be higher. Using iRacing the difference between 40 and 80 fps was marked. 40 was damn near unplayable. Which is odd given I had no issues at all playing GPL which was hard locked at 36.

By: Uff

Uff — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:28:51 +0000

Everything from 30 to 60 is good: 60 fps is ideal, but even with 30 you can drive properly. Visual tearing depends on the monitor. Obviosuly, running at fixed 30 or 60 with v-sync on is the best option (especially 60, something I try to reach everytime).
Triple buffer is there in order to avoid problems at intermediate framerate: with v-sync on and your refresh rate at 60, you’ll see 60 fps, but if your graphic card can’t handle the scene you will suddendly drop to 30, 15 and so on. If you turn triple buffer on, instead, your frame rate will always be capped at 60 as a maximum, but you can also have any other frame rate when the whole scene becomes heavier. That’s why even 40 are ok, if you use v-sync and triple buffer.

By: riches

riches — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:16:21 +0000

Framerate of 40 sucks, as it is completely not in sync with the most common refresh rate of 60hz of most LCD screens.
So if you want a fluid image, you always need 60+ fps.
Otherwise visual tearing or stuttering will occur.

By: Uff

Uff — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:51:05 +0000

UncleChuckle:
Ain’t nothing wrong with the current engine. I’d rather that and get 100fps than have a new shiny one and get 40.

Considering that having 100 fps is useless (human eye doesn’t notice any difference above 60/65 fps), I would definitely prefer to have a new engine that runs at 40 fps, considering that it already is a good frame rate.
It’s not only about graphics: our pc usually are much better now than 4 years ago and a new engine that properly uses multi-core cpus would certainly bring improvements in performances, giving the chance to push on the throttle with graphic too.
Do you remember what ISI wrote on their twitter, months ago?
http://twitter.com/rFactor2/status/1511062270

By: vik15

vik15 — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:00:41 +0000

Everything looks nice except cars are too dark and contrast. And there is no sky/environment reflection on them at all. No need to have it that flashy and exaggerated as it ‘s in shift and other games but not having it at all is not good either.

By: Scyrion

Scyrion — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:31:14 +0000

First screen, in the middle of the rear lights battery: the dodge logo is flipped… is that correct?

By: schuubars

schuubars — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:04:15 +0000

Keep in mind it isn’t just about the graphics engine, there are many parts for a game engine, gfx is just one of them.

And yes a old engine can be bad, and can restrict you in many ways not just gfx wise, especially in future projects.

btw and to compare a 2d engine with a 3d engine isn’t wise either, there is just no comparison.

But if you want a racing sim that is running on a 2d engine, go ahead, and have fun. ;D (nightmare is the better word for it, unless it’s a sidescroller. :P )

By: UncleChuckle

UncleChuckle — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:49:29 +0000

RA2 is great. Hell, I’d still play Starcraft if my monitor scaled properly. (Thanks, nVidia. You suck.)

Ain’t nothing wrong with the current engine. I’d rather that and get 100fps than have a new shiny one and get 40.

I don’t even run at high detail. I can, but I’m a framerate whore:)

By: DrumStick

DrumStick — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:47:42 +0000

A love Race series. I don’t mind old graphics engine, because they work a lot with particles + good physics.

Old graphics engine isn’t equal bad thing. For example Red Alert series (I don’t like RTS): Red Alert 2 looks friendly than 3 with ultra modern, effected, chaotic graphics.

By: UncleChuckle

UncleChuckle — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:54:51 +0000

I just wish they’d STFU and release it already. Who do they think they are with all these previews? EA?

By: smashingpunk007

smashingpunk007 — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:37:22 +0000

I think Simbin is trying to make up for the last batch of ugly screen shots with these edited ones,lol. I was actually glad that the last batch were unedited screenshots, that way we could see if there was any engine/or graphical updates. I want a new graphics engine as much as the next guy, but I don’t mind not having one yet, gmotor is still pretty solid, VituaLM, Culmone, and Some1 keep reminding me of that. However I would like to see more unedited screenshots of Race On as there is plenty of time for edited screenshots after the game is released. Hell I love editing screenshots myself, but I’m more impressed with good looking unedited screenshots.

The Dodge in the dirt is a great one btw.

By: Husky42

Husky42 — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:06:57 +0000

Jason, looks like damage not a normals problem :)

By: Mr. A

Mr. A — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:46:37 +0000

to homerfreak:

There are adverts for the Lizard engine in GTR Evolution already
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7526/capture20090908014019.jpg

By: scca1981

scca1981 — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:34:32 +0000

wtf is up with the first shot? Look at the normals on the rear quarter. I REALLY hope that gets fixed.

By: homerfreak

homerfreak — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:33:27 +0000

The first thing I have to say is congratulations for receiving exclusive screenshots from SimBin! =)
The other thing is: The screenshots are looking really great, what makes me sure that they are photoshopped, but there is a really interesting thing to notice: On the first screenshot, there is the Lizard Engine advertised, will the next SimBin title (after Race On) feature the new Engine? Or will there even be a patch for Race On? I personally don’t think the game will be patched with an all-new engine, but the next title, maybe coming in late 2010 could feature the Lizard Engine, it’s really time to introduce a new engine after just realsing one Add- on after the other year for year…