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		<title>By: mikem</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say the PS3 version is the best of the bunch.  I tried the PC version and somehow despite having the most flexibiltiy, the G25 wheel just wouldn&#039;t function well.  If you happen to have the PS3 version (and have given up on the game but still have laying around somewhere), here&#039;s my suggestion:

FF Setting (In order)

    * 60
    * 70
    * 70


    * Deadzone- 0
    * Steering Saturation- 25%
    * Linearity- 1
    * Accelerator Pedal Deadzone- 10%
    * Accelerator Pedal Saturation- 85%
    * Brake Pedall Deadzone- 15%
    * Brake Pedal Saturation- 85%


    * 900%- ON

I usually turn the ASM and the TCS off  (although I&#039;d turn the tration control on for harder races) but keep the ABS on.  And I use manual shifting, and there&#039;s a feedback when you shift in this game.  I would say, the car handles as well as Gran Turismo 4 with a more powerful FFB and a better implelmented FFB when compared to GT4.  While the sense of speed in this game is unabashedly arcade, with the use of steering wheel, I get better control of the cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say the PS3 version is the best of the bunch.  I tried the PC version and somehow despite having the most flexibiltiy, the G25 wheel just wouldn&#8217;t function well.  If you happen to have the PS3 version (and have given up on the game but still have laying around somewhere), here&#8217;s my suggestion:</p>
<p>FF Setting (In order)</p>
<p>    * 60<br />
    * 70<br />
    * 70</p>
<p>    * Deadzone- 0<br />
    * Steering Saturation- 25%<br />
    * Linearity- 1<br />
    * Accelerator Pedal Deadzone- 10%<br />
    * Accelerator Pedal Saturation- 85%<br />
    * Brake Pedall Deadzone- 15%<br />
    * Brake Pedal Saturation- 85%</p>
<p>    * 900%- ON</p>
<p>I usually turn the ASM and the TCS off  (although I&#8217;d turn the tration control on for harder races) but keep the ABS on.  And I use manual shifting, and there&#8217;s a feedback when you shift in this game.  I would say, the car handles as well as Gran Turismo 4 with a more powerful FFB and a better implelmented FFB when compared to GT4.  While the sense of speed in this game is unabashedly arcade, with the use of steering wheel, I get better control of the cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Ark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-11707&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-11707&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I play many sim and arcade pc racing games and i like them. Each one has something good to offer. Never played such crap like GRID. Completely bad gameplay and handling, sad and unrealistic graphics too. The worst racing game i have ever played (trade mark).
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exaggerate much?</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-11707" rel="nofollow">Anonymous</a></strong>: I play many sim and arcade pc racing games and i like them. Each one has something good to offer. Never played such crap like GRID. Completely bad gameplay and handling, sad and unrealistic graphics too. The worst racing game i have ever played (trade mark).
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<p>Exaggerate much?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I play many sim and arcade pc racing games and i like them. Each one has something good to offer. Never played such crap like GRID. Completely bad gameplay and handling, sad and unrealistic graphics too. The worst racing game i have ever played (trade mark).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I play many sim and arcade pc racing games and i like them. Each one has something good to offer. Never played such crap like GRID. Completely bad gameplay and handling, sad and unrealistic graphics too. The worst racing game i have ever played (trade mark).</p>
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		<title>By: blitze</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-2/#comment-5737</link>
		<dc:creator>blitze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have too say GRID is fun for a quick and intense &quot;Race&quot; session but some observations here are right on.  The game seems too drift orientated with many cars loosing the rear very easily.

HRD and Bloom can be modified and there is a nice PC mod that brings better lighting to the game.  Biggest issue is more the dweebs racing this online.  There is nothing to sort out the racers with assists and those without and way too many people play this like it&#039;s a dodgem car sim.

Matter of fact the game really is a pita for clean racers as it&#039;s not possible to compete with the slammers online.

Looking forward to the new engine being developed for rFactor 2 and the likes as that will bring the visuals better than GRID with some more believable driving.

If you want an ok online experience with GRID select long races and then hand back from the pack, drive clean and watch everyone else wipe themselves out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have too say GRID is fun for a quick and intense &#8220;Race&#8221; session but some observations here are right on.  The game seems too drift orientated with many cars loosing the rear very easily.</p>
<p>HRD and Bloom can be modified and there is a nice PC mod that brings better lighting to the game.  Biggest issue is more the dweebs racing this online.  There is nothing to sort out the racers with assists and those without and way too many people play this like it&#8217;s a dodgem car sim.</p>
<p>Matter of fact the game really is a pita for clean racers as it&#8217;s not possible to compete with the slammers online.</p>
<p>Looking forward to the new engine being developed for rFactor 2 and the likes as that will bring the visuals better than GRID with some more believable driving.</p>
<p>If you want an ok online experience with GRID select long races and then hand back from the pack, drive clean and watch everyone else wipe themselves out.</p>
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		<title>By: slipcurve</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-5709</link>
		<dc:creator>slipcurve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop defending this game with : &quot;It&#039;s not supposed to be a sim, its just for fun and giggles!&quot;. It does not cut it. Arcade doesn&#039;t mean that the vehicles should not behave atleast a little bit like the real thing. imho it is REQUIRED. If you really enjoy a racing game where the cars a in fact hovercraft/rocket assisted sledges, go ahead and buy GRID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop defending this game with : &#8220;It&#8217;s not supposed to be a sim, its just for fun and giggles!&#8221;. It does not cut it. Arcade doesn&#8217;t mean that the vehicles should not behave atleast a little bit like the real thing. imho it is REQUIRED. If you really enjoy a racing game where the cars a in fact hovercraft/rocket assisted sledges, go ahead and buy GRID.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4261</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No time trials or test runs?

Surely some mistake.

Has anyone tried running the game without the traction control and braking assist?</description>
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<p>Surely some mistake.</p>
<p>Has anyone tried running the game without the traction control and braking assist?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunwest</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4105</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am frankly really impressed with your review Montoya, fair and square.
It is clear that this game is just for having fun with good graphics, and nothing else. When I was 10 (20 years ago) I was able to develop more accurate physics of acceleration and braking. 
This game is best played with the keyboard, my overall rating 5/10 due to the graphics that save the final score from a 2/10.
I would like to thank them to have released a demo so this ensure I save some of my money and do not buy this game.

Noo Noo, I am starting to feel that you must really like this game and perhaps you have participated in the making of it. Your attitude towards real sim racer is poor, attacking the incredible robust/proven and accurate engine that ISI has developped is laughable at.

Good night to all arcade and sim racer, prepar for the worst F1 game in history!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am frankly really impressed with your review Montoya, fair and square.<br />
It is clear that this game is just for having fun with good graphics, and nothing else. When I was 10 (20 years ago) I was able to develop more accurate physics of acceleration and braking.<br />
This game is best played with the keyboard, my overall rating 5/10 due to the graphics that save the final score from a 2/10.<br />
I would like to thank them to have released a demo so this ensure I save some of my money and do not buy this game.</p>
<p>Noo Noo, I am starting to feel that you must really like this game and perhaps you have participated in the making of it. Your attitude towards real sim racer is poor, attacking the incredible robust/proven and accurate engine that ISI has developped is laughable at.</p>
<p>Good night to all arcade and sim racer, prepar for the worst F1 game in history!</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3959</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Play mostly Forza 2 and PGR 4 on 360 but also own GTR 1, GTL, and GPL on PC and have enjoyed all of these games. With the exception of PGR 4 the driving games I have played veer from semi sim to full on sim but I can enjoy arcade racers when the handling is decent.

Unfortunately from the 360 demo of GRID the handling is not good, unless you like you track racers to allow excessive power sliding. The cars suffer from having a central pivot point at the front which the handling model seems to slide the back end around. The result is a very unrealistic handling model which feels like the back end is on ice at times. It is an arcade racer but PGR 4 proved that arcade racers with a consistent and physics model which doesn&#039;t pivot around the front of the car can be enjoyable. Shame because I codemasters seem to be moving all of their racing franchises away from semi-sim to be very arcadey. I am sure the game is still enjoyable and I like the single player progression (from what I have read and been told) so may still buy the game but for my proper racing fix I will stick with Forza 2 on the consoles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Play mostly Forza 2 and PGR 4 on 360 but also own GTR 1, GTL, and GPL on PC and have enjoyed all of these games. With the exception of PGR 4 the driving games I have played veer from semi sim to full on sim but I can enjoy arcade racers when the handling is decent.</p>
<p>Unfortunately from the 360 demo of GRID the handling is not good, unless you like you track racers to allow excessive power sliding. The cars suffer from having a central pivot point at the front which the handling model seems to slide the back end around. The result is a very unrealistic handling model which feels like the back end is on ice at times. It is an arcade racer but PGR 4 proved that arcade racers with a consistent and physics model which doesn&#8217;t pivot around the front of the car can be enjoyable. Shame because I codemasters seem to be moving all of their racing franchises away from semi-sim to be very arcadey. I am sure the game is still enjoyable and I like the single player progression (from what I have read and been told) so may still buy the game but for my proper racing fix I will stick with Forza 2 on the consoles.</p>
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		<title>By: Racer2006</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3940</link>
		<dc:creator>Racer2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha, changed your tune aint ya</description>
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		<title>By: Noo Noo</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3929</link>
		<dc:creator>Noo Noo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got as much right to post on here as you have numb nuts! I&#039;ve paid for my share of sim games to say what I damn well like on a public forum, If you don&#039;t like it, I suggest you go find the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got as much right to post on here as you have numb nuts! I&#8217;ve paid for my share of sim games to say what I damn well like on a public forum, If you don&#8217;t like it, I suggest you go find the door.</p>
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		<title>By: stabiz</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3927</link>
		<dc:creator>stabiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, stay away from the troll. He has driving-AIDS.</description>
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		<title>By: Racer2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Racer2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noo Noo, you come on a website dedicated Sim Racing platforms, and you start slagging off the ISI engine....seriously buddy, your like those people who go on Youtube, type in the name of a crap car and slag the owner off for having it. If you dont like it, you know where the door is....go back to &quot;floaty boaty&quot; Race Driver Land, no-one cares what you have to say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noo Noo, you come on a website dedicated Sim Racing platforms, and you start slagging off the ISI engine&#8230;.seriously buddy, your like those people who go on Youtube, type in the name of a crap car and slag the owner off for having it. If you dont like it, you know where the door is&#8230;.go back to &#8220;floaty boaty&#8221; Race Driver Land, no-one cares what you have to say!</p>
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		<title>By: Noo Noo</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator>Noo Noo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO Grid easily beats the re-released, rehashed, badly tweaked, repetative, poorly optomised 10-year old ISI game engine -- used by soo many mod groups (including Simbin) to produce visually dull limiting and limited racing games over and over and over...Hard-core sim racers, don&#039;t make me laugh, your all just sitting in your bedrooms playing racing games on little plastic steering wheels (yeah, the G25), just like the rest of us simple minded arcade fans. This reviewer is so far up his own sim arse, I&#039;m suprised he can use his sim fingers to type!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO Grid easily beats the re-released, rehashed, badly tweaked, repetative, poorly optomised 10-year old ISI game engine &#8212; used by soo many mod groups (including Simbin) to produce visually dull limiting and limited racing games over and over and over&#8230;Hard-core sim racers, don&#8217;t make me laugh, your all just sitting in your bedrooms playing racing games on little plastic steering wheels (yeah, the G25), just like the rest of us simple minded arcade fans. This reviewer is so far up his own sim arse, I&#8217;m suprised he can use his sim fingers to type!</p>
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		<title>By: mbeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are all these idiots defending the game as if it&#039;s the finest racing game ever? Talk about buying into the hype. It&#039;s not even the best racer on console! GT4, PGR4 and especially Forza are miles better than this horrible, flashy, arcadey mish-mash of a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are all these idiots defending the game as if it&#8217;s the finest racing game ever? Talk about buying into the hype. It&#8217;s not even the best racer on console! GT4, PGR4 and especially Forza are miles better than this horrible, flashy, arcadey mish-mash of a game.</p>
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		<title>By: R Kipker</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3864</link>
		<dc:creator>R Kipker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what else is funny and hypercritical 

CM states the arcade design was to meet the demand for users in the US, cause all us Yanks are only interested in Fast Causal Experience, but they released it in UK five days before released in US so all the hard core gamers in the UK/Europe can play first.

Now I mean no disrespect to all users, I’m simply trying to point out that this is all a bunch of crap!  They made the game arcadie to design it Faster and Cheaper, and the simple minded arcade users are defending them.


Montoya, thanks for your review, I&#039;m glad someone had the ROCKS to speak their mind.... hoooorah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what else is funny and hypercritical </p>
<p>CM states the arcade design was to meet the demand for users in the US, cause all us Yanks are only interested in Fast Causal Experience, but they released it in UK five days before released in US so all the hard core gamers in the UK/Europe can play first.</p>
<p>Now I mean no disrespect to all users, I’m simply trying to point out that this is all a bunch of crap!  They made the game arcadie to design it Faster and Cheaper, and the simple minded arcade users are defending them.</p>
<p>Montoya, thanks for your review, I&#8217;m glad someone had the ROCKS to speak their mind&#8230;. hoooorah!</p>
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		<title>By: purplesky</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3838</link>
		<dc:creator>purplesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, GRID is definitely NOT a sim - that isn&#039;t even questionable. It&#039;s a GAME designed for a bit of fun, and was developed by Codemasters to sell to the sheeple and MAKE MONEY - hey, that is what commercial companies do!!  :roll: 
Codemasters couldn&#039;t care if anyone thinks their game is crap - there will always be a large base of peeps who will buy it. It&#039;s where the money is as always. Personally I like sims such as GTR2 which plays great with my Logitech G25 wheel, and I have to admit I did not like the GRID demo where I first played it. After a bit of practice however, I am finding myself liking the game just for a bit of fun... you know, something that is not to be taken too seriously after a hard day at work??!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, GRID is definitely NOT a sim &#8211; that isn&#8217;t even questionable. It&#8217;s a GAME designed for a bit of fun, and was developed by Codemasters to sell to the sheeple and MAKE MONEY &#8211; hey, that is what commercial companies do!!  <img src='http://www.virtualr.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Codemasters couldn&#8217;t care if anyone thinks their game is crap &#8211; there will always be a large base of peeps who will buy it. It&#8217;s where the money is as always. Personally I like sims such as GTR2 which plays great with my Logitech G25 wheel, and I have to admit I did not like the GRID demo where I first played it. After a bit of practice however, I am finding myself liking the game just for a bit of fun&#8230; you know, something that is not to be taken too seriously after a hard day at work??!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 13:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone let the kids out to play or something?</description>
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		<title>By: stabiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>stabiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 09:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you are smart.

The reason people are pissed is not because they expected GTR3, its because its piss poor even compared to GT Prologue and Forza 2.</description>
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<p>The reason people are pissed is not because they expected GTR3, its because its piss poor even compared to GT Prologue and Forza 2.</p>
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		<title>By: F1Racer</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/race-driver-grid-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3801</link>
		<dc:creator>F1Racer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@C Which just highlights my point about believing the hype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@C Which just highlights my point about believing the hype.</p>
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