Comments on: Prototype C – Porsche 930 at Rouen Video http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video 100% Sim Racing News Fri, 25 May 2012 13:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: GTFAN45 http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-2#comment-34295 GTFAN45 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:16:07 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-34295 <blockquote cite="comment-29754"> <strong><a href="#comment-29754" rel="nofollow">raceralexuk</a></strong>: Alba AR2 (3 versions) BMW M1 (2 versions) Cougar C01B DeCadenet Lola Dome RC82 EMKA Aston Martin Ford C100 (2 versions) Grid S1 Harrier RX83C Jaguar XJR5 Lancia LC1 Lancia LC2-83 (3 versions) Lola T610 Mazda 717C Mazda 727C Nimrod NRAC2B Porsche 911sc Porsche 928 Porsche 930 Porsche 934 Porsche 934/5 Porsche 936C Porsche 956 (3 versions) Porsche 962 (2 versions) Porsche CK5 Rondeau M378 Rondeau M379 Rondeau M379B Rondeau M379C Rondeau M382 (2 versions) Rondeau M482 Sauber C6 Sauber C7 Sthemo SM01 URD C81 WM P83 WM P84..I make that 47 models. </blockquote> Wow, big list!! With that being said, how many more car models are going to be added before the release? And/or are you planning on releasing service packs to add more cars down the road or will the release be a full release? Sorry for the questions, it's just that there is hardly any solid info on this mod.......

raceralexuk: Alba AR2 (3 versions)
BMW M1 (2 versions)
Cougar C01B
DeCadenet Lola
Dome RC82
EMKA Aston Martin
Ford C100 (2 versions)
Grid S1
Harrier RX83C
Jaguar XJR5
Lancia LC1
Lancia LC2-83 (3 versions)
Lola T610
Mazda 717C
Mazda 727C
Nimrod NRAC2B
Porsche 911sc
Porsche 928
Porsche 930
Porsche 934
Porsche 934/5
Porsche 936C
Porsche 956 (3 versions)
Porsche 962 (2 versions)
Porsche CK5
Rondeau M378
Rondeau M379
Rondeau M379B
Rondeau M379C
Rondeau M382 (2 versions)
Rondeau M482
Sauber C6
Sauber C7
Sthemo SM01
URD C81
WM P83
WM P84..I make that 47 models.

Wow, big list!! With that being said, how many more car models are going to be added before the release? And/or are you planning on releasing service packs to add more cars down the road or will the release be a full release? Sorry for the questions, it’s just that there is hardly any solid info on this mod…….

]]> By: Burgunder http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-2#comment-29889 Burgunder Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:15:26 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29889 I really hope the physics will match the look of the cars, then this mod will be just what rfactor needs, one mod to find them all, one mod to bind them all ... I really hope the physics will match the look of the cars, then this mod will be just what rfactor needs, one mod to find them all, one mod to bind them all …

]]> By: Deano http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29767 Deano Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:46:43 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29767 I've spent God only knows how many hours with the F1C mod, and painted around 40 cars. If this mod is better (and it appears to be) this will be my "benchmark" for any mods that come out later. My opinion might be a little biased, considering I simply love this era of racing. Many thank's to everyone who is making this mod possible. I’ve spent God only knows how many hours with the F1C mod, and painted around 40 cars. If this mod is better (and it appears to be) this will be my “benchmark” for any mods that come out later.
My opinion might be a little biased, considering I simply love this era of racing.

Many thank’s to everyone who is making this mod possible.

]]> By: GeraArg http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29764 GeraArg Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:13:32 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29764 <blockquote cite="comment-29754"> <strong><a href="#comment-29754" rel="nofollow">raceralexuk</a></strong>: Alba AR2 (3 versions) BMW M1 (2 versions) Cougar C01B DeCadenet Lola Dome RC82 EMKA Aston Martin Ford C100 (2 versions) Grid S1 Harrier RX83C Jaguar XJR5 Lancia LC1 Lancia LC2-83 (3 versions) Lola T610 Mazda 717C Mazda 727C Nimrod NRAC2B Porsche 911sc Porsche 928 Porsche 930 Porsche 934 Porsche 934/5 Porsche 936C Porsche 956 (3 versions) Porsche 962 (2 versions) Porsche CK5 Rondeau M378 Rondeau M379 Rondeau M379B Rondeau M379C Rondeau M382 (2 versions) Rondeau M482 Sauber C6 Sauber C7 Sthemo SM01 URD C81 WM P83 WM P84..I make that 47 models. </blockquote> :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :cool: :cool:

raceralexuk: Alba AR2 (3 versions)
BMW M1 (2 versions)
Cougar C01B
DeCadenet Lola
Dome RC82
EMKA Aston Martin
Ford C100 (2 versions)
Grid S1
Harrier RX83C
Jaguar XJR5
Lancia LC1
Lancia LC2-83 (3 versions)
Lola T610
Mazda 717C
Mazda 727C
Nimrod NRAC2B
Porsche 911sc
Porsche 928
Porsche 930
Porsche 934
Porsche 934/5
Porsche 936C
Porsche 956 (3 versions)
Porsche 962 (2 versions)
Porsche CK5
Rondeau M378
Rondeau M379
Rondeau M379B
Rondeau M379C
Rondeau M382 (2 versions)
Rondeau M482
Sauber C6
Sauber C7
Sthemo SM01
URD C81
WM P83
WM P84..I make that 47 models.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :cool: :cool:

]]> By: dumrick http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29763 dumrick Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:15:34 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29763 The new content the Junior Team is making is sensational and the possibility to recreate vintage Le Mans editions, including the full field and the amazing track by VLM haunts my dreams. However, there are a few old-school guys (like me!) who still have some nostalgia about the content that was released for F1C (so many hours of fun with those) that are still eager to have some perspective if they will be included in an initial package. Great video, great sounds, great reflections on the dials, kind of makes me want to get my hands on one of those Group B Porsches even before their big brothers. The new content the Junior Team is making is sensational and the possibility to recreate vintage Le Mans editions, including the full field and the amazing track by VLM haunts my dreams.
However, there are a few old-school guys (like me!) who still have some nostalgia about the content that was released for F1C (so many hours of fun with those) that are still eager to have some perspective if they will be included in an initial package.
Great video, great sounds, great reflections on the dials, kind of makes me want to get my hands on one of those Group B Porsches even before their big brothers.

]]> By: moppenheimer http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29762 moppenheimer Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:24:56 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29762 Awesome!, but none of the later stuff then? or might that come later..... Awesome!, but none of the later stuff then? or might that come later…..

]]> By: raceralexuk http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29758 raceralexuk Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:32:41 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29758 All the aforementioned models are in game currently being perfected. All the aforementioned models are in game currently being perfected.

]]> By: flowie http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29755 flowie Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:28:55 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29755 raceralexuk, may I ask how many models you already completed? raceralexuk, may I ask how many models you already completed?

]]> By: raceralexuk http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29754 raceralexuk Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:28:45 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29754 Alba AR2 (3 versions) BMW M1 (2 versions) Cougar C01B DeCadenet Lola Dome RC82 EMKA Aston Martin Ford C100 (2 versions) Grid S1 Harrier RX83C Jaguar XJR5 Lancia LC1 Lancia LC2-83 (3 versions) Lola T610 Mazda 717C Mazda 727C Nimrod NRAC2B Porsche 911sc Porsche 928 Porsche 930 Porsche 934 Porsche 934/5 Porsche 936C Porsche 956 (3 versions) Porsche 962 (2 versions) Porsche CK5 Rondeau M378 Rondeau M379 Rondeau M379B Rondeau M379C Rondeau M382 (2 versions) Rondeau M482 Sauber C6 Sauber C7 Sthemo SM01 URD C81 WM P83 WM P84 ..I make that 47 models. Alba AR2 (3 versions)
BMW M1 (2 versions)
Cougar C01B
DeCadenet Lola
Dome RC82
EMKA Aston Martin
Ford C100 (2 versions)
Grid S1
Harrier RX83C
Jaguar XJR5
Lancia LC1
Lancia LC2-83 (3 versions)
Lola T610
Mazda 717C
Mazda 727C
Nimrod NRAC2B
Porsche 911sc
Porsche 928
Porsche 930
Porsche 934
Porsche 934/5
Porsche 936C
Porsche 956 (3 versions)
Porsche 962 (2 versions)
Porsche CK5
Rondeau M378
Rondeau M379
Rondeau M379B
Rondeau M379C
Rondeau M382 (2 versions)
Rondeau M482
Sauber C6
Sauber C7
Sthemo SM01
URD C81
WM P83
WM P84

..I make that 47 models.

]]> By: moppenheimer http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29747 moppenheimer Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:13:21 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29747 <blockquote cite="comment-29745"> <strong><a href="#comment-29745" rel="nofollow">AaronC</a></strong>: I was giving you the variations from the real world stats. I know the 2005 mod doesn’t have that much, but the 2006 mod is 100% complete. If you take into account all of the different options in their control center on top of all of the variations in-game…It is massive compared to the 20 some odd cars in Prototype C. Also remember that the control center also houses lower poly models to be installed at will for lower end computers. So in theory, they even modeled every car multiple times. </blockquote> ah, well in that you are correct 26 cars from 83 alone, if you include the other years (84-94) and short/longtail versions, different aero/wing packages, it is easily just as much if not more work, plus a ton more skins and a lot less info/pictures/blueprints to work from... I don't know if you played the f1c mod, but it was just as extensive as CTDP's rf mods in terms as quantity of models/skins and out of sim tools (launcher, season creator/selector) If this comes across as me knocking ctdp (which re reading my previous it does.... :weird: ) im not, i love their mods, and have since f1c!

AaronC: I was giving you the variations from the real world stats. I know the 2005 mod doesn’t have that much, but the 2006 mod is 100% complete. If you take into account all of the different options in their control center on top of all of the variations in-game…It is massive compared to the 20 some odd cars in Prototype C. Also remember that the control center also houses lower poly models to be installed at will for lower end computers. So in theory, they even modeled every car multiple times.

ah, well in that you are correct

26 cars from 83 alone, if you include the other years (84-94) and short/longtail versions, different aero/wing packages, it is easily just as much if not more work, plus a ton more skins and a lot less info/pictures/blueprints to work from…

I don’t know if you played the f1c mod, but it was just as extensive as CTDP’s rf mods in terms as quantity of models/skins and out of sim tools (launcher, season creator/selector)

If this comes across as me knocking ctdp (which re reading my previous it does…. :weird: ) im not, i love their mods, and have since f1c!

]]> By: AaronC http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29745 AaronC Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:56:00 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29745 I was giving you the variations from the real world stats. I know the 2005 mod doesn't have that much, but the 2006 mod is 100% complete. If you take into account all of the different options in their control center on top of all of the variations in-game...It is massive compared to the 20 some odd cars in Prototype C. Also remember that the control center also houses lower poly models to be installed at will for lower end computers. So in theory, they even modeled every car multiple times. I was giving you the variations from the real world stats. I know the 2005 mod doesn’t have that much, but the 2006 mod is 100% complete. If you take into account all of the different options in their control center on top of all of the variations in-game…It is massive compared to the 20 some odd cars in Prototype C. Also remember that the control center also houses lower poly models to be installed at will for lower end computers. So in theory, they even modeled every car multiple times.

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29743 Bjorn Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:07:51 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29743 Well no, not in 2005 mod they didn't include upgrades - In that mod there's only skins to count. But I think the 2006 mod had 200+ different pieces. I wish I could find the exact number on their blog, but not right now. Well no, not in 2005 mod they didn’t include upgrades – In that mod there’s only skins to count.

But I think the 2006 mod had 200+ different pieces. I wish I could find the exact number on their blog, but not right now.

]]> By: moppenheimer http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29741 moppenheimer Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:00:35 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29741 I stand correced, the vids are more than a month apart, and all but this one have been at Mid ohio I stand correced, the vids are more than a month apart, and all but this one have been at Mid ohio

]]> By: moppenheimer http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29740 moppenheimer Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:57:52 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29740 <blockquote cite="comment-29739"> <strong><a href="#comment-29739" rel="nofollow">F1Racer</a></strong>: Yeah well 3 years is a long time and to be honest it makes me wonder if its really worth all that time. Any longer and rF will be old and rF2 will be taking over. Then what ? Another year to convert it or have people waited 3 years to play on an older platform.I empathise with you but then again its not our place to dictate to people what their pace should be.Some mod teams are smaller than others member-wise and they all have differing amounts of free time. Plus people are entitled to take breaks from it all too.Has anyone thought of just asking VLM why it has taken so long and how far to completion they are ?Posting a video out of the blue is a bit strange but from the reaction it seems they’d have been better off keeping a low profile intil they had something more substantial.Either way, we cannot change the pace or the outcome so why bicker about it ? </blockquote> as for the videos, Alex posts one every month or so, usually a lap of rouen in a different car @bjorn, he is making up numbers, there aren't 380 variations in the 05 mod, and there aren't 396 in the 06 mod, you can count them yourself...for starters (even if there were graphical race by race updates for each car, which there arent) there are only half those numbers as the teams ran the same car for both drivers except on rare occasions, which im not sure occured in 05 or 06

F1Racer: Yeah well 3 years is a long time and to be honest it makes me wonder if its really worth all that time. Any longer and rF will be old and rF2 will be taking over. Then what ? Another year to convert it or have people waited 3 years to play on an older platform.I empathise with you but then again its not our place to dictate to people what their pace should be.Some mod teams are smaller than others member-wise and they all have differing amounts of free time. Plus people are entitled to take breaks from it all too.Has anyone thought of just asking VLM why it has taken so long and how far to completion they are ?Posting a video out of the blue is a bit strange but from the reaction it seems they’d have been better off keeping a low profile intil they had something more substantial.Either way, we cannot change the pace or the outcome so why bicker about it ?

as for the videos, Alex posts one every month or so, usually a lap of rouen in a different car

@bjorn, he is making up numbers, there aren’t 380 variations in the 05 mod, and there aren’t 396 in the 06 mod, you can count them yourself…for starters (even if there were graphical race by race updates for each car, which there arent) there are only half those numbers as the teams ran the same car for both drivers except on rare occasions, which im not sure occured in 05 or 06

]]> By: F1Racer http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29739 F1Racer Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:51:07 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29739 Yeah well 3 years is a long time and to be honest it makes me wonder if its really worth all that time. Any longer and rF will be old and rF2 will be taking over. Then what ? Another year to convert it or have people waited 3 years to play on an older platform. I empathise with you but then again its not our place to dictate to people what their pace should be. Some mod teams are smaller than others member-wise and they all have differing amounts of free time. Plus people are entitled to take breaks from it all too. Has anyone thought of just asking VLM why it has taken so long and how far to completion they are ? Posting a video out of the blue is a bit strange but from the reaction it seems they'd have been better off keeping a low profile intil they had something more substantial. Either way, we cannot change the pace or the outcome so why bicker about it ? Yeah well 3 years is a long time and to be honest it makes me wonder if its really worth all that time. Any longer and rF will be old and rF2 will be taking over. Then what ? Another year to convert it or have people waited 3 years to play on an older platform.
I empathise with you but then again its not our place to dictate to people what their pace should be.
Some mod teams are smaller than others member-wise and they all have differing amounts of free time. Plus people are entitled to take breaks from it all too.

Has anyone thought of just asking VLM why it has taken so long and how far to completion they are ?
Posting a video out of the blue is a bit strange but from the reaction it seems they’d have been better off keeping a low profile intil they had something more substantial.
Either way, we cannot change the pace or the outcome so why bicker about it ?

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29738 Bjorn Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:48:17 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29738 He is actually not "making" numbers up. And there's nothing confirmed that the PTC mod for rF all have new, scratch-made cars. Some of them might "just" be brushed up from the F1 C version. When it's released we will see how intensive they've worked. Period. He is actually not “making” numbers up. And there’s nothing confirmed that the PTC mod for rF all have new, scratch-made cars. Some of them might “just” be brushed up from the F1 C version. When it’s released we will see how intensive they’ve worked. Period.

]]> By: moppenheimer http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29737 moppenheimer Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:44:26 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29737 I don't have time to argue....you can make up numbers about how complex those two mods are all you want, fact is, VLM is doing this for free, who cares how long they take...Nobody has undertaken something this large...and nobody, even you "as a long time modder", has any idea what the circumstances are... I don’t have time to argue….you can make up numbers about how complex those two mods are all you want, fact is, VLM is doing this for free, who cares how long they take…Nobody has undertaken something this large…and nobody, even you “as a long time modder”, has any idea what the circumstances are…

]]> By: AaronC http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29733 AaronC Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:38:11 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29733 <blockquote cite="comment-29732"> <strong><a href="#comment-29732" rel="nofollow">F1Racer</a></strong>: heh, this is such a pointless argument. </blockquote> I couldn't agree more to be honest with you, but I'm just trying to get my point across that 2 mods with almost as much content and just as high of quality have been released in the same time frame that this single mod has been in development....

F1Racer: heh, this is such a pointless argument.

I couldn’t agree more to be honest with you, but I’m just trying to get my point across that 2 mods with almost as much content and just as high of quality have been released in the same time frame that this single mod has been in development….

]]> By: F1Racer http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29732 F1Racer Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:17:30 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29732 heh, this is such a pointless argument. heh, this is such a pointless argument.

]]> By: AaronC http://www.virtualr.net/prototype-c-porsche-930-at-rouen-video/comment-page-1#comment-29731 AaronC Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:07:55 +0000 http://www.virtualr.net/?p=5859#comment-29731 <blockquote cite="comment-29730"> <strong><a href="#comment-29730" rel="nofollow">Graag</a></strong>: Well… How difficult can it really be to add these aerodynamic features? For example, if you already have one front wing properly made and you know that some other wing adds 20% more downforce, then isn’t it just copy, paste, rename and simple numbers editing and you have a new front wing?The “fact” that CTDP has 380 body variations does not mean that all of those has been made from scratch. But i’m pretty sure that all 26 of the 1983 Le Mans cars has to be made from scratch. </blockquote> It isn't just physics, they all have to be modeled as well. I'm not saying they are huge changes as in an entire different car, but they are still updates none-the-less, such as different front and rear wings, suspension shape, brake ducts and so on. Then each one is different per team, and sometimes per driver because not every driver has the same stuff as his team mate....There's more work in an F1 mod than most think, but allot don't understand that because they aren't looking at it from a modding perspective.

Graag:
Well… How difficult can it really be to add these aerodynamic features? For example, if you already have one front wing properly made and you know that some other wing adds 20% more downforce, then isn’t it just copy, paste, rename and simple numbers editing and you have a new front wing?The “fact” that CTDP has 380 body variations does not mean that all of those has been made from scratch. But i’m pretty sure that all 26 of the 1983 Le Mans cars has to be made from scratch.

It isn’t just physics, they all have to be modeled as well. I’m not saying they are huge changes as in an entire different car, but they are still updates none-the-less, such as different front and rear wings, suspension shape, brake ducts and so on. Then each one is different per team, and sometimes per driver because not every driver has the same stuff as his team mate….There’s more work in an F1 mod than most think, but allot don’t understand that because they aren’t looking at it from a modding perspective.

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