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Fantastic :)

Like many people i’ve given up on pCARS until the new tyre model is implemented as driving the sim in it’s current state is more annoying than it is enjoyable. It’s just too weird.
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You can’t deny that it looks stunning though. I mean it looks ridiculously good. And we all know this by now.
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Please sort out handling on the limit of grip and I promise i’ll come crawling back.

Well done to that man, quality edit action!

wow what a vid! :)

great work on the video.

The problem with continued post like yours. No matter what SMS implements as physics, there will still be people making such post. So what is the point? It’s not constructive in the least. Go to their forum and give exact constructive criticism. Or just keep it to yourself and be patient!

Excuse me Howard, but how do you know he has not given constructive criticism at the WMD forums? Lots of people of have.

However this is not WMD and he does not have to follow their “rules” outside of those forums. He does NOT have to be constructive if doesn’t feel like it.

I wish you pCARS guys would stop being so sensitive and attack every little thing.

Cool that there comes a Wii U version.
Hopefully the system will get proper wheel support and more (semi) simulation games will come on it. ;)

I posted many times about the physics on the WMD forums, particularly when the sim was first made available – I have posted very detailed feedback about the physics and what I think is wrong with them.
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Since little progress has being made in this area recently (at least until the new tyre model is implemented) I find it would be pointless to repeat what has already been said by myself and many others.
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This is not the WMD forum, and to be honest I barely criticised the sim at all, and yes I continue to call it a sim as i’m sure that is what they are aiming to have when it is finished.
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I think you are overreacting to my post, because as I said – if the new tyre model (that they are currently working on) turns out really well I will be in sim heaven.
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Thank you.

Wow, what a stunning video! SMS should pay that guy $10k for it.

Great editing work here. Must have taken forever to get all those clips recorded. I wish there were more people doing video’s like this because with more competition, the better they seem to get. My only issue with this video is that it moves a little too fast. Couldnt really get a lasting look at the impressive graphics before it switched to another shot. Maybe I’m just a fan of the slower motioned ones. Great job nonetheless.

This was an awesome video, I just wish so bad that the handling was more realistic…

I agree with Craig, after driving something like rF2 or Race Room and you drive pCars you get frustrated after about 10-20 minutes and switch it off.

Cant wait for the new tire model, they just need to tweak the handling and make the traction transitions and potentially the steering more realistic and this will easily be one of the most amazing car sims ever!

I got so tempted after seeing this video that ill give it another go now :)

Actually I’m reacting to the fact that every time there is a story here about pCars. One of the first post is about whats wrong with it.(annoying and weird) When everybody (by now) should know it’s a work in progress. Why can’t people be positive and just talk about the latest improvments; instead of (harping) on what isn’t fixed to their liking? I actually find the physics, while not perfect still fun. So what is the point of complaining about not being waited on by SMS?

Check AJ’s Thread in the Physics sub-forum. The Seta Tire Model has been released to the rest of the devs and is going through probably a month of testing before being released to us (judging by their comments). Right now the STM doesn’t have a fully dynamic carcass but will by release, per AJ.

They’re keeping pretty tight-lipped about specifics but it sounds like noticeable improvement is already there before the needed tweaking and testing!

I’m quite flabbergasted at the amount of mysteriously professional videos pCARS is getting made. I was just wondering (cause I’m not a member) are WMD members supplied with a set of titles/guidelines to include in their videos?

It’s pretty outstanding to have a bunch a enthusiastic guys just doing this in their own free time for fun and yet outclassing EA’s own efforts in the process (if I may say so myself). It’s like pCARS is some Mecca for photo/video hobbyists lol.

Video software has come a long way. The replays are easily manipulated to give you great angles and there is a tool where you can edit weather and lighting in real-time though that tool’s not going to be in the final product – just used for testing and demoing.

@Howard – I understand the frustration but you went a bit heavy handed here.

@Craig – I agree with much of your criticism as does most of WMD but the devs agree and are looking to improve in tire and physics areas dramatically.

Looking forward to all the Sims!

Howard please stop with the sensitivity. How I hear it is you are the one who brings negativity into the comments section here. If there was NO constructive critisizm on Pcars then I guess we wouldn’t need a Project created by the gamers would we? It is here and always will be here to keep pushing SMS to develop what we the gamers want. So constructive critisizm is not negative. it’s a positive. I can’t believe out of all the sim comments on most forums, it’s the Pcars guys that are ready to jump at any negative thing.
Check this site on rF2, GSC2012, Raceroom Experience, and AC and there is lots of negativity and barely any body taking it to heart. Even the mods on this site jump at any negativity said about Pcars, but when it comes to the other sims, I barely see them moderating any negativity or trolling.. HMM interesting.

Extremely impressive video…Ya I agree, SMS needs to pay this genius on advertising their product in such an amazing way.. Wonder what he is using for all the free roaming camera angles and effects. Video editing software going 64 bit is absolutely amazing like Vegas 11 Pro. Hope SMS add a movie maker software program to the final game.

Thanks for the comments everyone. There is some healthy competition from a chap called Jonz who makes some fantastic trailers, as I’m sure you’ve already seen. Keep an eye out he is working on a new one also…

Cheers,

-halcyon

Vegas Pro and Fraps.

This needs to be aired as a commercial on Monday Night Football when release date is here. Would kick ass.

Best video of pCars so far

Yes it looks ridiculously good, even in circuit the cars look like they were shot in a controlled lighting in a photo studio :D …I prefer medium setting for the graphics (low for the reflection)

He recieved a promotion for his efforts

Are you accusing me of bias ? You must be because there are no ‘mods’ here. It’s just me. I think everyone knows that.

As I’ve said many many times, constructive criticism is fine on any topic, whether its pCars, rF2 or whatever else you care to think of.
The ONLY thing that is asked of members who post is that they follow the Comment Rules (see above on the page header).
Stick to those and you won’t run into any problems with Admin, plus you might even get a decent reply back.
I hope we are clear on that.

Now let me tell you the difference between pCARS and any other title that gets posted on VirtualR as far as I’m concerned…
For some reason, whether its the desire for pCARS to be better than it is or the best it can be, or whether its a dislike for SMS because you feel you got shafted on Shift or Shift 2 or whatever other reason someone has that I couldn’t care less about, the negativity in pCARS threads tends to be more vocal than in threads on other sims.

Not to mention the repetition. How many posts do we need saying “I like this and that blah blah” followed by “but the handling/physics needs work yada yada”. Craig and Roger are examples of it in this thread. (nothing personal guys).
Yes, we get it, the handling/physics needs work. Its not finished yet. What are you expecting ??

Look I know we all want it to handle good because it looks and sounds good and we will feel cheated if it comes up short of a decent sim. I get it. We all do. We all want the same end goal.
But to go on and on about it thread after thread.
It’s getting to the point where it’s going to come across like trolling – which of course is a rule-breaker :) Lets just agree that we all know about the handling. If you want to make pleas, then the best place to do that is on SMS’s own forum. Bet you won’t be the first one to let them know though.

The negativity in other threads is nothing compared to what you see in pCARS threads. THAT is why pCARS may get more attention. Pop into an rF2 thread or an Assetto Corsa thread and post something that breaks a rule and see where it gets you.
You say you want to push SMS to develop the games YOU want ? Fine. Get on over to SMS forums and be a voice there. It’s hardly going to get any attention from SMS here.
Nothing gets posted here that they haven’t heard already. It’s like a scratched record in here.
It’s not that as soon as there is some negativity that person gets jumped on, it’s that as soon as there is a pCARS thread, people are ready to jump in with negativity.

Considering what people get to say about pCARS on here don’t you even think about accusing me (or Montoya) of bias because if that were true you would see much less comments than are actually posted and a damn sight more verbal moderation.

Well there is at least one thing we can’t argue: it’s looking very good. Just remember that you won’t get a result as beautiful with your mid-range pc rig but it’s quite understandable.

Everyone is welcome to join the community. Free users have access to some of the info threads for the project. It may help you decide weather you want to buy a tool pack or not. It does not hurt to investigate the project before making a decision

One more point, is that I think Pcars gets alot of posts because it touches all of us somewhere, and I think we all want our voice heard because we all see the potential. There are alot of cool cars, tracks, the hq textures, and if done right, there’s something there for everyone. Just like there will be when RF2 and AC are finally completed. Its going to be a fun and busy 2013 online ;)

You can make the same argument for the positive comments that go on thread after thread and focus on the same specific aspects of the game (Mostly graphics and screenshots)

Its good having people point out that the cars are still a bit funny as it gives a more rounded view of the product.

I think everyone wants to see Pcars be a good rounded game with both nice graphics , nice sounds and nice physics.

I , like I’m sure many who have payed into the WMD development can already see the game looks nice are waiting for that physics patch with intrepidation.

You have many people that also claim the physics are fine as they are now , when clearly they are only good enough for a casual or joystick racer at this point in time. So its nice to have informed people make informative counter points.

When the new physics are available I’m sure those people that are negative now will let others know when or if the new physics make a large difference and everyone can try the game out again.

What if it is designed to be GT5 for everybody, not real sim?

OMG. Just Wow. That’s all I got to say to you F1Racer.

I agree with this comment. F1Racer has never seen a YT video I have made on Pcars giving it more positives then negatives. I was not expecting a Short story answer from him like that. Does this guy own this site? Who does? Cause i’m not impressed with his anger each time someone says anything minutely close to negative about Pcars..
I for one am hoping and see a grand future for Pcars. I surely don’t desire it to fail, but am rooting for a amazing well rounded game that will appeal to everyone.. This dude gives this site a bad name in my eyes.. My comment was no way trying to troll him or knock him down. Just an observation that I have noticed.

Yeah exactly. We as sim-racers, want pCARS to be the sim we need it to be. But it just seems that some can wait for the game to actually be developed and some can’t.

Heh, good point (from your first paragraph) :)
I think maybe when people says that the physics now are fine, they might mean in the respect that they are driveable for the stage the game is at now. Even the BMW’s came out incomplete. This is just part of the development process. Hopefully the tyre model unleashes a new life into this title and makes everyone happy.

Now that is a kick ass Trailer! Awesome work Halcyon!

hoodge1, you need to know how annoying, not to mention wrong, this exaggeration of yours is. There is no “anger each time someone says anything minutely close to negative about Pcars..”. Think about what you’re saying. That every time there is a negative comment, I reply with anger. You think that isn’t going to provoke me or get a reaction ? Your supposed innocent comments really know how to say the wrong things.

I didn’t comment at all in the last two pCARS threads and didn’t comment here either until I saw your comment about me. Again, that’s an accusation of bias and I’m not going to stand for it. Hence the ‘short story’ you got.
What you hope for in pCARS isn’t the issue here, nor is whether I’ve seen one of your videos. It’s your comment about moderation. Most of my response was a general comment to what goes on here in pCARS threads. The bits about your comments were aimed at you, so don’t take it all personal.

You say you weren’t trying to troll me or knock me down. Fine, I believe you. But you have now accused two people of bringing negativity here. In my case, I’m hardly likely to respond to negative comments with a laugh and a joke.

The insinuation from that ‘observation’ is not something I am going to sit and take. Heard that one enough times to be angry at it. So yes, you got the brunt of that.
If you think I give this site a bad name then what you need to do is contact Montoya, the site admin, and complain.
In the meantime all I am nicely asking is that you stop exaggerating like I pointed out earlier and you watch your comments towards me.
I’m a decent guy really, but last night I was in no mood for any accusations of that kind no matter how innocent they may be. Lets just say it’s becoming a sore spot. Maybe best to stay away from pinning me down as pCARS biased. If you’ve been around here in the past when people were accusing Montoya of the same and saying that SMS bought out this site etc.. you’ll know what I’m talking about. Maybe someone can fill you in so I can avoid another short story (proably too late for that now :) ).
I’m guessing you’re fairly new here and missed previous…. lets call them debates…. in the pCARS threads. You just touched a nerve.

For future reference (and this is for everyone), don’t make the mistake of making any further comments of bias towards this site or those that manage it. There will be no more warnings on this from me.

Enjoy your day.

This is the last response i’ll give you F1. I recall a while back when you were not a mod on this site that you and another individual were going back and forth at it like insanely, so much that you both had to have a time out and be banned for a week or more.. I know it was you.
Now let me just say this to you now so we can get this conflict out of the way. At least i’ll go on smiling as always. Any more comments from you back to me will be through one ear out the other okay.
You are a moderator of this site and I recall in most Pcars threads you getting more dislikes for your extremely sensitive way you want to handle mainly the Pcars section. Understand sir that NO where in any comments on this title did I mention your name at all. Just a observation I have witnessed time and time again.
As a supporter of this site and Pcars understand that not only are you making yourself seem like a bully to most people who come here to discuss their opinions, you are not doing Ian at SMS, nor Pcars any positive light on anyones eyes reading your posts. Seems you are more eager to argue with me like you’ve done with others in the past, then allow people as myself who have not made not one troll comment on here including this comment, to express their concerns, opinions, whether positive or negative. I see you as a person who’d rather argue then really moderate this site. Not good at all.
Take some time to seriously observve what you are doing to the site and Pcars itself. You are turning a lot of people off not Pcars, but yourself. Last post directed to you. Reply and you won’t ever get a response from me again. Just relax. Take care.

Good to hear – so he should have. This trailer will be invaluable promotional material. I wonder what the setup will be in regards to Halcyon retaining copyright.

This game needs a miracle physic wise, Lets pray

never stop.

not even for a pitstop…. :P

Wasn’t that their original goal, a more realistic competitor to GT4/FM4?

Welcome to the sim racing community. Same for pretty much every sim here…

Yes, finally, this is what I have been trying to explain for a while now.

It looks beautiful, but in a way that looks un-realistic, not because it looks bad, because obviously it looks beautiful, but because it looks beautiful in a fake way.

It looks like a movie, or a photo shoot with photo editing or something, rather than raw and realistic, its hard to explain.

Physics and ffb feel aside, when I play project cars (not much) I feel like im playing a beautiful video game with beautiful graphics, but when I play RFactor 2, although the graphics cant compare to PCars, I feel like I am inside rFactor 2′s world, at a real track, driving a real car. Although the graphics are nothing special, they just feel more raw and realistic, and give your brain and senses more immersion of being inside the game, if you know what I mean.

Where as PCars is obviously much more beautiful, but doesnt give your brain those senses, and those senses can make a game with not bad graphics, feel more real than one with beautiful graphics.

Again, its hard to explain.

This a public internet site, and its about racing sims, and people therefore talk about racecar sims. Wether its constructive criticism or not, whats it matter? This is just a place to get racesim news and to discuss stuff with other people online, constructive or not.

Praying never helped anybody. Just wait and trust SMS instead of your imaginary friend.

Absolutely true. I set other graphic setting to medium, no bloom and reflection to low to get more immersion.

Do you think just slapping on a new tyre model will fix the physics? I think the physics complexities and how everything works, and how everything is handled etc etc etc may not be up to it to compete with rFactor 2 and Assetto.

I could be wrong, I am not trying to flame or offend, im just thinking if just a new tyre model will all of a sudden bring it from where it is now to rFactor 2, and soon Assetto Corsa level.

I think it goes further, deeper, more technical and complex than just a new tyre model, I mean rFactor 2 is technically much more sophisticated physics wise than rFactor 1, even apart from the tyre model (although the tyre model probably is the biggest thing to get right sims).

So i dont know, apart from replacing the tyre model (regardless how good or not good the new one may be) do you think the core physics engine, the deep core of it lol, is up to the task to compete with rFactor 2 and Assetto Corsa?

Again, I am just asking for opinion, not saying that I am 100% right, and not trying to offend.

Breathe, Howard. It’s OK. We understand.

Best pCars vid so far ..imo

Just to let this website know, around the same day this beautiful pcars video came out, this awesome RFactor 2 video came out aswell, maybe should post this one up too :)
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— rFactor2: IMMERSION 2 – by BSNismo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmeq70hWLXY

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Ditto to you, mate… Sometimes, it’s useful to look into the mirror before accusing others. I thought maybe you had a point initially, but not after this discussion. You’ve undermined your own credibility.

No, it wasn’t

just 1 word: amaizing!

They also got a new dynamics physics, so it´s not just the tires. But besides that, tire physics are still the biggest part of correct behaviour and feeling of a virtual car.

And to your core physics engine-thing: tire physics is a core element of the game engine like dynamics physics, collision physics, graphics, sound and so on. It´s not a layer or sth., but a structure deepling included into the game engine.

It’s supposed to compete with GT5 because that’s pretty much
the most realistic racing game you’ll find in that platform (was Race
Pro released on the PS3?). The mission statement from the get go has always been to make a full sim.

Yes, I think it is. When it comes down to it, the physics engine is a complete rewrite of GTR2′s, and I don’t think that SMS would replace any of it with code that was worse.

Damn, that one’s impressive.

OK, as for your first paragraph, you are completely wrong. You must have me mixed up with someone else. I have never ever been banned from here, nor have I had any ‘time-outs’.
You think I would have been appointed moderator if I had a ban under me ? :)
So despite saying you know it was me, you are incorrect.
Your credibility here is starting to drop mate. You really need to get your facts straight before saying things like this.

The downvoting is not necessarily a dislike. It can be for something simple as a difference of opinion or because the mischievous like to have some fun. We can’t know which is which so its all meaningless.
You didn’t mention me by name but when you say ‘the mods of this site’ you, by default, mention me. Who else is a moderator here ? Slice it how you want, you were having a go at the moderation with the insinuation that it its pCARS biased. You are still doing that in this last post of yours.
I have no desire to argue or handle the pCARS section any different. But as I have said already, pCARS attracts a different class of comment sometimes so that may attract extra attention. If people could behave in pCARS threads as they do in others, there would be no difference in the moderation.
I can’t moderate (or as you put it, be a bully) on posts that are within the rules, only offer an opinion or advise. Simply though, as a moderator I’m not going to tolerate any crap. So its up to the members to see there isn’t any, then I can quite happily post as a regular user.
Let me tell you, when I go through the posts on this thread and I see they are all fine, some maybe with constructive criticism but written out in an acceptable way, it’s like heaven for me. I much prefer not having to moderate because, naturally, you come across as the bad guy which is something I’ve had to accept. I’m not taking any softly softly approach now that clearly written rules are posted.

Anyway…. I don’t have any beef with you regards whatever you think of pCARS. It was your comment about the moderation that got my attention.
Where I am developing a problem with you is your lack of respect. Telling me I’m a bully, I’m giving the site a bad name etc. You just can’t say that an expect me not to react and how do you think my reaction with sound like to you ? LIke a bully maybe. What, I’m supposed so laugh it off and be happy ?

If I was the kind of person who, as you say, would rather argue, then I could do that a lot more effectively if I wasn’t a moderator. Then I could really let go and you wouldn’t like it, trust me. But, I don’t want to do that or be that person. To that end, I want some sort of order in here and if I have to sacrifice a bit of popularity to do that, then so be it.
Decent people on here will be all for a well behaved site and they are the ones I will fight for. The ones who would rather troll or be insulting to others, I, and this site, can do without.

It’s probably wise that you don’t post again as you said because with each post you are digging a deeper hole.
Enjoy your pCARS mate and maybe think twice before getting personal with me again. Thats not a lot to ask. This is me being nice :)

Again sorry for the long post. It’s a bad habit :)

Owning pCars at this point is not about having a demo of the finished project or a Sim you can use for your entertainment. (although many do) GamerMuscle said: “When the new physics are available I’m sure those people that are negative now will let others know when or if the new physics make a large difference (like others won’t just try out the new changes with every download for themselves, and make up their own minds without your expert opinion) and everyone can try the game out again.” One might ask why this attitude continues to be sold? Shouldn’t and wouldn’t a more positive attitude prevail? Recently the guys at SRT reviewed “Ferrari Legends” and said it would be a substitute for reviewing pCars, since they are from the same developer!? Clearly there is a bias hangover against SMS in the community. I think it goes all the way back to when they and SimBin split up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPbarUpKzms (@ 5:00-540) From Video: “This is from SMS who are also developing pCars, and we have been catching alot of flack for not covering pCars, this is a finished project from SMS, so I figured, why not cover it, as a Sim!”

Everytime some disagrees with you, and or corrects you. That doesn’t mean they are being sensitive, or that they are angry with you!

You’ve used this argument several times but it doesn’t seem to have much basis in reality. The tire model is the most complicated thing about a simulation (plus surface modelling in rally games).

rFactor 2 and pCARS both have dynamic chassis flexing, suspension, diff settings, aerodynamics, etc. It’s all there but rFactor 2 is building on a much older base of experience for making their sim feel good and drive well.

There are several cars that feel amazing like the Caterham R500 and everything from weight transfer to lift-off oversteer feel great but then you get into a tank slapper where you’d expect to have just recovered nicely. This is a limitation of what they’re calling “transient grip issues” in the current model and is one of the reasons for the new tire model.

Other than the transient grip issues and some FFB, I don’t see where people believe rFactor has so much over the competition. Is it the old school presentation and all the tweaking of INI files that makes it feel that way?

Just to clarify, not a “healthy competition” in a contest way, but rather we motivate each other. We are doing this as a hobby, I’m glad you guys liked it.

Its because Pcars looks nice so it attracts people that like to make visually nice videos.

WMD as a community also promotes peoples content well so for example say someone spent 5 hours making a Video in Pcars it will far more likely get views than if someone spent 5 hours making a RF2 video.

Indeed. Very cool vid from BSNismo once again.

Hey mister satanic 666, don’t talk trash like that. Please respect. Thank you

I think any negativity toward SMS is probably due more to EA marketing Shift as a sim when it clearly wasn’t, than any business with Simbin.

Could be. However there is no definitive definition of “Sim”. Other then it simulates, gives an approximate reproduction of reality. After that it’s all personal opinion where the line is drawn between Sim and Arcade.

I think you are trying to explain it this way:
Pcars looks from a broadcast or real life spectator view better then the real thing. Way to shiny and clean. This could change tho as they get closer to release. Again I see where a lot of people who judge say Pcars or rF2 at this early stage need not be psychics about the final outcome, but at this stage Kendra I agree with your comment.
The immersion you get when you are behind the wheel of a car in rF2 feels more realistic. It’s got that gritty look and immersion you would witness from a cockpit cam you’d see on a real race broadcast, graphics and all.
Remember this about rF2 as well as its gonna get better graphics wise towards the end. The fact that rF2 pushes my rig WAY more then Pcars tells you that the physics algorithms are complex and huge. That’s why it’s the best feeling sim in existance even in it’s beta stage to me over anything. And I got a pretty beastly rig.
At this stage, I think rF2 looks pretty awesome. But the feel and immersion you get makes you feel as you said like you are in a real car on a real track. Best AI to date i’ve witnessed too. It’s gonna be on top of the list for PC sim once again.

Agreed 10000 times, SillyCone… some should believe more in themselves and thank themselves first when they do something great before the “usual” imaginary friend. ;-)

Miracle is really a big word… physics in pCars are already amazing and with the future Tire model, it will be even better. Patience is the key…

“just slapping on a new tyre model”
That’s downplaying the most important aspect of the physics IMO. The effects of the tyre model propagate to drive the suspension components and generate the FFB. It is fairly well known that a racing sim is largely defined by its tyre model.
“the core physics engine, the deep core of it lol,”

What exactly are you referring to (except for the obvious attempt at ridicule with your “lol”)? E.g. suspension is pretty simple compared to the tyres, being mainly levers, springs and dampers.
Your post basically reads like a thinly disguised dismissal and ridicule of pCARS at any cost. That’s your prerogative, but you need to come up with a better argument.

Both that and iRacing apparently..
Disclaimer: the screen cap below is property of SMS, original doc found here http://www.wmdportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/WMD_Overview_160212.pdf. Please don’t sue me ;P

SMS does pay this genius – he has been promoted twice and is now Manager x 2. Very well deserved too. The cameras, angles and slo-mo are all in the game, then he uses Vegas to assemble and edit, doing the fancy speed ups and so on (please correct me if I’m wrong, halcyon). He most certainly has the touch!

Wow. Some people should take a time deep air and think for a minute. The one totally optimistic & gullible & other absolutely pessimistic and not to convince. Years long, nothing happens. then we get a huge selection and all what some people can is to offend each other or attacking. I can only say “Continue to” !
Nice Vid Halcyon.

Very true. I always want to play pCARS because it looks so beautiful, but end up getting frustrated with the car handling and/or AI. Then I remind myself it’s not a finished product :)

Spot on :)

no copyright for me, I just put that at the end so people know I made the trailer… my gift for community and SMS for making a beautiful and wonderful sim.

SMS does pay this genius – he has been promoted twice and is now Manager x 2. Very well deserved too. The cameras, angles and slo-mo are all in the game, then he uses Vegas to assemble and edit, doing the fancy speed ups and so on (please correct me if I’m wrong, halcyon). He most certainly has the touch!
(I already posed this, but it didn’t show, so I try again – mods please delete any duplicates)

Please indicate your experience driving Asetto Corsa…

Every time a Pcars article comes up, this guy posts the same crap. Are you not happy with rFactor 2? Why you keep posting on Pcars?
Anyway, this is the best video I’ve ever seen for a racing game.

By immersive you mean dated? As in it reminds you of rFactor 1 because it almost looks the same as rFactor 1? “Gritty look”…ok…sure…is that a nice way of saying looks bad?
The reflectivity of the cars can be turned down by the way.

Pretty decent job considering what he’s got to work with. He can polish a turd like no other.

Experience Netkar Pro?

read the post again. Never said it looks the same as rF1 did I? Or you just say so? Punkfest.. Hmm. Fits the attitude quite well. Is this your way of trolling and getting away with it? Sounds like trolling to me.

Won’t everyone including you 666 be in bliss when this project is deemed over and we finally hear from the hardcore sim racers themselves which would be the category I fit in, how amazing or not amazing this title will be. Then we all can enjoy our hobby once again without all the bickering.

This game has caused soo much bickering and I’ll give you a clue why it won’t be judged towards any other PC sim. Cause it isn’t exclusive to PC like all the rest are that you hear about. It’s going on all platforms. If it were a PC exclusive game, then YA different story. It isn’t. Even going on a Nintendo system. So no it will NEVER be compared to the hardcore PC sims under development or available now… FACT.

Irrelevant. My point is that no one knows how AC will drive until its out; same goes for PCars.

Thank you, that’s what I meant to say. GT5 is their competitor, but they also intend to compete with the physics of iRacing/rFactor/etc. MMy comment wasn’t intending to knock pCARS.

See above, I was referring to their FAQ which showed both GT5 and iRacing as competitors.

See above, they said themselves that ONE OF their competitors is GT5.

Why are you here again Hoodge? Every Pcars topic and you are in here dissing it to no end, and then you try and say it’s justified because you made some video about it. If you don’t like it don’t come over here and tell us about it. We know where you stand ok!

Keep it up though as eventually the mods will have hit their threshold and your ban will come down. Know that I will be smiling when it happens.

Sensitive like so many huh? So you own this site?

This game is getting better and better ( handling ) BUT speed sensation still too bad.
I drove just now on Moravia and speed sensation is the same at 60 and at 200 … really ! I hope so they will fix it bacause in Shift 2 was fantastic feeling of speed.

It turned out that I actually drove pCars for the longest period ever last night, I was driving for almost 3 hours constantly in the new 302 build. Its far from perfect but it was entertaining for what it is, a simulation in mid stages of development with stunning looks, good sounds and handling which needs some more work.

If you go into hot lapping mode and “accept” the physics as they are to get some decent lap times in leader boards (managed to take the lead in 3 car/track combos) it is actually quite OK in some cars, you can feel them moving around now and its possible to control the balance to an OK level (way better and unlike any “arcade” title).

Try the Lotus 49, Caterham 500 and Radical V8, also the Huayra feel and sounds quite good. SPA looks great and the Nordschleife starts to look very good as well.

I was even able to do some drifting, though over the edge and in slides the snap grip and steering response does not feel realistic yet. Also I think the balance for push understeer and oversteer transitions are not fully there either.

I noticed a bug that made handling feel ALOT worse before, even though i had handling mode to “PRO” (all aids off) it appears that TC and some aids where on! I needed to go into settings, toggle between the modes, back to PRO and then “Save” for them to be truly off. Made a big difference :)

I do think the new tire model can make a big difference if done right, if that impacts also the steering response it could be all that is needed to make it feel “right” and real. I guess we will know soon! :)

Come on, we all know that Asetto Corsa is going to be in the RFactor 1/2/Netkar Pro/iRacing/Game Stock Car 2012 category of as hardcore realistic as can be.

Caterham feels fine, definetely not amazing though, but ya sure its not bad at all. Its not weight transfer and lift oversteer like you said, thats so basic, I can get weight transfer and lift off oversteer in arcade games for playstation 1 and xbox 1, its much much more complex than that.

No, not attempoting to ridicule with my “lol”. I wrote “lol” because it just sounded sort of funny/stupid how I re-iterated “the deep core of it” after I had already said “the core physics engine”.

Im not trying to dismiss and ridicule pcars. But someone else mentioned there is an entirely new physics engine comming soon too, and not just a new tyre model, so from the sounds of that, other than graphics and sounds this physics engine and tyre model replacement make it seem like it is going to be a completely new game that has nothing to do with the current game, except for sound and graphics.

I mean a new physics engine + a new tyre model pretty much makes it a completely seperate thing from what we are all playing now, and it also confirms my thoughts that it goes beyond a tyre model.

Na ive seen better, maybe the best video in terms of trying to market a product, as it felt like I was watching a commercial.

But in terms of a video that just makes your hairs stand up due to your love and passion for autoracing racing regardless of the sim/product, then no way, I have seen wayyyyyy better.

But yes, in terms of the editing work, and as a commercial advertisement, yes it is EXCELLENT.

I wonder if the guy that made the video wasnt just some random guy, but an actual professional in that field???…… The video is that good to make me think that.

Ok maybe if the new tyre model and physics engine are really good which I have faith they will be, but regardless of how much of a fan you are of the product, there is no way the current physics are amazing, especially when compared to like 6 other sims on the market.

The fact that you can say the current physics are amazing (when even most fan-boys and investors agree that they definetely arent) makes me very suspicious of your odd opinion.

Yes something like that. You know when you make a trailer for a movie, or when you are doing some kind of video editing and you put in effects to soften the image, make certain things look overly bright, blur certain things, etc etc etc etc.

It like that, its like everything is overly exageratted to make everything pop out and make people (especially kids I would assume) go WOW AWESOME GRAPHICS.

Rather than just trying to make things look as real as possible. I have noticed this in many of the video games of the past 2 or so years.

Maybe if SMS approcahed the product in a different manner.

Like being more humble and quite about it, and talking more technically about the product, instead of constantly sending videos and 360 degree panoramic crap to show the world their amazing graphics, and half of the updates in their update packs being graphics based and all this graphics showboating and graphics advertisement crap because they know they can sucker people in with beautiful graphics and awesome videos, then maybe they WOULD get a little less heat from people.

They are acting wayyy too much like your typical big company that is there to make money, rather than the “stay with your roots” humbleness of ISI (RFactor 1/2), Kunos (Netkar Pro/Assetto Corsa) and Reiza (Game Stock Car).

Well, thats my opinion atleast.

LOL, if you consider RFactor 2 a turd, then you know CLEARLY nothing of racecar handling and how complex their behaviour is.

Yes I have been thinking the same, but we could be wrong, it could really be just random skilled people, but we could be right, maybe there was some kind of deal set up with project cars, I mean the guy labels all the platforms its being made for at the end of the video, the website and everything LOL looks more than your average enthusiasts private made video, but again we could be wrong, who knows lol.

If they want to compete with iRacing, then that means competeting with that entire category, which includes Reiza games (Game Stock Car), RFactor 2 and Assetto Corsa, pretty much the hardcore sims when it comes to commitment and detail to the entire physics dynamics engine.

If they are going to go THAT hardcore, and actually achieve it, than all I can say is awesome.

So on the one hand they are sucking people in with beautiful graphics, yet they are taking heat. Hmm, seems like people might not be getting suckered in then. I don’t see many people on here that are letting the graphics alone form their opinion on pcars. :)
I also think you might be mistaking humbleness (love that word :) ) with the amount of media we are seeing for each of those titles. I’m guessiing that making money is on the minds of all of them.

FYI, hoodge1 is nowhere near getting a ban, despite our recent difference of opinion. Please don’t flamebait with comments like that in your last paragraph.
Also in hoodge’s defence, I don’t see him ‘dissing it to no end’.

Lets cool this off just a little guys.

ok, let’s not let this escalate please.

Yes, their goal is best in class sim physics, while at the same time having their career mode and graphics beat GT5, Forza, and the like. Lofty goal, but I wish them luck.

Such as?

Yeh, racecar handling today is completely connected to graphics.
NOT.

Keep it up is all I ask. Just keep being yourself.

Won’t be posted unless Ian Bell aproves it, which is quite unlikely to happen.

Graphical turd. And in my opinion, the “racecar handling” is over-rated, and barely any different from rF1 (or any other gMotor sim). And do you have to add LOL to every single bloody post?

Why you posting links to rF2 videos over here anyway…nobody here gives a crap about it. All you do is show how superior PCARS is in the graphical department and embarrass poor BNismo for his efforts.

What, so now you go after the advertising?! Ridiculous arguments. The primary purpose of this is to make money (I hope we can all agree on that). How do you make money? You sell the product. The fact that they are ‘flooding’ the market with vids/pics/etc has nothing to do with how the game is being developed. They must generate interest to both fund the development and turn a profit after release. Look at what is out there today…people (I speak in the general sense) fall head over heels over great graphics. The graphics alone will make it a seller on the consoles. Some of the worst driving games make $$ on consoles, you just need to generate interest.

Do you see it as a “problem” in making this a top seller? If after it is released and it takes off, are you going to blame any issues you identify on the fact that it was marketed as a sim with great graphics?

…and how does their marketing approach in any way affect the content, in your opinion?

Speed sensation comes from how far trackside objects are from you and how many of them there are. Morovia might feel slow because the trees are not near the track and it hasn’t really been worked on since months, so not many trackside objects there.

I see. My apologies. As you can imagine, we’re pretty used to slagging off being the order of the day by now, so how messages are worded is important.

Anyway, as you correctly say, there are other new parts coming to the physics engine, i.e. a new ‘dynamics system’. We have no details on what that entails yet, but it may include a revamp of the solid body physics and some other bits. So together with the Seta Tyre Model, we can reasonably expect quite an improvement.

To my understanding, the new dynamics system, and possibly a part/variant of the new tyres may even hit the console versions.

It’s exciting times ahead for sure :-)

i write “lol” cause your reply literally makes me laugh. Lolol see, im laughing again at your comments.

If you think rFactor 2 is barely different than rFactor 1 in terms of the overall driving and physics model, then I dont know what you’re smoking but you should really lay off of it. Either that, or you just clearly have no understanding of complex vehicle behaviour.

You are probably the type that cant feel a 1 click of front bump change or a change of 0.2 of camber, such a simplified understanding of racecar dynamics you have.

Its ok there is alwaysForza 4 and GT5 for ya buddy ;)

I posted 1 link because that video came out the same day, and this site has posted other videos from BSNismo, so I thought they would have liked to post this one aswell, since this is a SIMRACING WEBSITE, and NOT a PROJECT CARS website.

And why are you saying nobody here gives a crap about it? Are you 12 years old? All these racing fans in here and you are speakinf for all of them and saying nobody gives a crap about it?

Wow you are so defensive about a video game, is this game your child? Your life? Your company? Its a video game, relax a little, go get layed, see what its like to be with someone of the opposite sex, you may find out that there is MUCH more to life than just sitting on your deskchair, with your fingers typing away defending your love affair with a video game.

So this isnt a fan made trailer, its professional work created by SMS.
IC.

Love how they are advertising the crap out of this game which is a year or more away, but ISI and Kunos are barely doing any.

I guess there will just be tons of people from consoles or codemasters games that dont know better, giving SMS there money due to all these ads.

So sad to see this.

Oh great, the multiplatform-argument again. What about Richard Burns Rally? It´s a multiplatform-title and it was available on PS2 and XBOX. What now? Isn´t it a hardcore sim now anymore?

What is that supposed to mean ? I hope you have a really good answer for this.

Lets tone the language down, can we please ?

The antagonising ! Yeah cos that always works.

Sorry but I have to correct you here. I’m not a professional, I’m not employed by SMS. I made this trailer as a hobby on my own spare time. SMS happened to like it and rewarded me for my efforts.

Regards,

-halcyon

This is my last comment in this thread. Kendra I see and agree with a
lot with what you said. I take it you bought into the Pcars Project and I
did too.. I’m just a serior investor.

What I wish to get at is
the factors of why Pcars means everything to many and why I feel the
negative sensitive bickering exists from. A lot of Pcars members in this
forum i’m sure have invested BIG MONEY much like stock brokers do to
make a huge return. I mean a Manager x 10+ is easily a $300,000 +
investor. There is not a lot of those, but a lot of Manager x 1 which is
a $30,000 dollar ballpark figure.

I can see them not wanting any
negativity period as they want to see this game sell extremely well.. I
mean it’s a given. I don’t blame em for that. They stand to lose a lot
of money if this turns out to be sub par sales product when it launches.
It does come down to the money, and i’ve learnt a lesson NEVER to get
involved in investment projects like this ever again, cause Wars are
started from this kinda thing in real world (real life) situations. I
know many millionaires who lost their pants and shirts to bad
investments (Not saying Pcars is a bad investment. I wanna also see it
for once succeed over their flops in the past).

So I can see why
all the other sims on PC are relatively human and not ready to cock the
gun. And yes even squabbles over other sims go on as well. Not Nearly
like this tho. Glad I ownly invested $100.00. I knew SMS’s hype train
time and time again in the past and could of gone for manager no
problem. Because of that, I thought at 100, i’ve got absolutely nothing
to lose or gain for that matter..

So I know the dislikes on this
post are gonna be high. Don’t care. It is what it is. And I’ve seen and
heard enough post from people on many forums that suggest that the
investment part with the money is the forefront of members concerns..

Kendra
I don’t know what you bought into this as, but what I say in this last
post is the absolute truth and no amount of flaming from the haters of
me in here is gonna change the facts. They know I’m talking the truth.

Last
point that is gonna hit home Pcars members is a simple question: If you
are as confident as you sound about Pcars (which you should be), then
why the sensitivity over it. It’s just a video game like any other game.
It’s not life (except those who invested extravagant amounts of dough
into it). If you truly are confident, then any negative people or
opinions should just wash off your backs, and it doesn’t get any simpler
then that.

Done with this site. It’s a Pcars only site made to
look like a sim racing site. I bid SMS and all members on here good luck
and keep the love for motorsports racing strong.. Adios.

Speaking of humble, I think that the most rabid and arrogant detractors could benefit from being a bit more humble. I’m talking in the general sense here, not to anyone specific.

There is a clear tendency by the aforementioned group to jump on anything pCARS and rip endlessly on it. And pCARS is an easy target because it’s a “different kid”. We get to see it “naked”, way before it’s ready for the public, with “warts and all” as has been said.

In reality it’s a very advanced software project with some extremely clever people working hard on it, and they deserve some respect. As some of the more reasonable folks are seeing, it’s steadily improving, and the best is yet to come.

It’s an ambitious project, and rightly so. Having no ambitions would be a hopeless basis for making a new sim. Part of that ambition is exciting and daring new tech. Anout the money thing; all commercial sim projects have to make money – if they didn’t they’d obviously never come to fruition or even be started.

Lastly, those that scoff at the community aspect are really missing out – those that get it are having a blast. Out of the thousands of members enjoying themselves, there are of course a handful that don’t like it and make a noise. Statistically that’s nothing. The project and the community is in good health, and as a sim racing enthusiast I’m very happy to be part of it :-)

Thanks F1Racer for your words.. Much respect earned. But I think the right thing to do is not come back. You’ll agree with me as well.

I don’t hate Pcars. I truly DO see a lot of potential and I think if everything goes the way SMS are steering for, Pcars WILL be a welcome racer for all the platforms out there hungry for a new, racer. Whether or not it is a Sim or a mix in the end, it’ll be fun to play.

I always thought even with the Shift series, SMS have been the leaders for the next gen of graphics and have proven it to date. Attention spent to every little minute part is extrordinary.

Anyways I don’t have any ill will towards you or anyone. It’s just that I guess many here don’t like me and it’s best for you, this site, and all members here if I just say goodbye..

I have not attacked people or smeared people on here like a few comments I just read. I try to give opinions and believe me, I even have negative opinions for all the other sims I play as well. No game is perfect. Everyone has their pro’s and cons no matter what anyone says.. Peace.

No, you don’t see. It’s a fan made video, like all the other videos you’ve seen. SMS had no part in its making, except for creating the pCARS software, of course.

Also, SMS is not advertising this game yet. They run the WMD site, of course but that’s it.

Are you a WMD member? If so you ought to know about all this.

Please, let’s not have more of those baseless conspiracy theories now :-))

hoodge1, VR will be worse off without you. I would prefer you stayed and not let them get to you. Some people just like to be antagonistic towards others and we can’t let them win.
It’s very comfortable to be disrespectful when behind a keyboard and all too easy and sometimes people forget that the other person has feelings too. As for punkfest2000, he is on my radar, don’t worry. He’s been having a pop at a few people lately so I wouldn’t take it personal.

You don’t need to convince me of your opinion on pCARS m8. I really don’t mind either way if you like it or not. That wasn’t the bit that bothered me as you know. But lets put that in the past now as we’ve both said our bits already.

I expect and hope that you will carry on posting here.
Laterz

Kendra…Kendra…my you wrote a lot there, of which I read very little. Sure it’s not a pcars site, but this is the pcars section is it not? People don’t come to this section to see ugly rfactor 2 graphics on display. I “LOL” whenever I see rfactor 2 actually. I feel sorry for you guys having to play something that butt-fugly.

Here’s an rF2 beaut:

http://simhq.com/_motorsports5/images/motorsports_164a_009.jpg

”
Na ive seen better”…no…you haven’t.

Thanks again F1. I’m not sensitive, or the kind of guy that takes things personal. I mean I upset you a few times as well, so maybe I have been a little out of line at times myself. And I do humbly owe you an apology for some things I may have said. I just always feel tense when it comes to Pcars discussions..

Like I said, there is some things about rF2 being in beta now that I can’t stand and hope they fix. I feel SMS and ISI and others need both positive and some negative feedback in areas that may help the developers evalute the concerns and address them. It only leads to a win win for everyone..

Anyways I owe an apology to all you others in here that I may have rubbed the wrong way. I just hate arguing. Debating is fine. Arguing.. NOPE not for me.

Well to let you know F1, I do and have been coming to VR for a number of years now to get my sim racing news fix. It is a great site, so I would never leave reading about all the new builds for all these sims that come up and watching video’s, I just thought concerning Pcars, I should just stay quiet.

I again thank you for your kind words and I will do my best to contribute respectfully with everyone. I hate no one. How could I say such a thing. I haven’t met all of you. Not right for me to judge people..

Anyways guessing you will update the site with Build 306 shortly. Some have been experiencing problems including myself where at the start line the game freezes. I learnt in the WMD forums everyone should log in by right clicking the Pcars logo on your windows and clicking the “run as Administrator” tab. That fixes everything..

A very positive build I must add. FFB and handling on some of the cars I didn’t like before had a major improvement. I was taking a break from testing, but heading back to do more. Optimising of some of the tracks is getting better as well.

Anyways thanks again.. I’ll stick around.. Half an hour till midnight and I wanna get a little more testing in before calling it a night. Take care.

Umm project gotham 1 and 2, and about 100 other games.

Are you actually being serious right now?

You really think that because a video game can have lift off oversteer and weight transfer that it must then be a true sim? I can get those attributes in MANY racing games.

Wow.

No wonder some people find the current PCars so amazing in physics. They have no idea the difference between video games with decent basic physics with some realistic touches, semi realistic almost sims, and true sims.

Those are 3 completely different categories, but I guess to you they are all the same as long as basics lift lift off oversteer and weight transfer happen then I guess Project Gotham 1, Forza 4 and Netkar Pro are all equally sims in your mind eh?

Wow.

You really should go take a 3 or 4 day open wheel race course at Jim Russell or Skip Barber or something. Jesus.

hahaha ok I havent, are you 12? Oh no wait, you’re God? Yes thats it. Punkfest2000 is actually GOD, who knows what I have seen and havent, and knows the thoughts and opinions of everybody here. You have some real insecurity problems buddy lol. You need to honestly go outside and socialize with some human beings you hermit.

Actually I dont have a penny in project cars.

Although I was thinking about investing, not because I was a huge fan of the product, but because I know their awesome customer base building schemes, and money making tactics will work.

The formula is so easy, you make a game with car licenses, good sounds and foucs the crap out of awesome graphics.

Bang huge market right there.

Then you make the physics good, maybe not the best in the industry, but good enough for the majority of people out there that dont know any better to say “WOW THIS IS SO REALISTIC, ITS WAY BETTER THAN FORZA 4/GT5/RACE 07, THIS IS THE BEST RACING GAME EVER! LOOK AT THESE GRAPHICS, AWESOME CARS!!

And there you have it, you have just grabbed a HUUGE amount of money and customers, because the people that know anything about racing sims will be playing RFactor 2, Netkar Pro, Game Stock Car 2012, iRacing, or (probably) Assetto Corsa.

Unfortunately those sims are a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of the marketplace.

There you have it. SMS on there way to success.

The hardcore sim racers are a tiny, tiny, tiny % of the customers and therefore money, the heat on some forums will barely matter. When your talking 10s of thousands, 100s of thousands, ,maybe (probably) into the millions of customers.

Did he say something racial? Say something against someones religion? Violate someones human rights? Did he use profanity against Ian Bell? Release confidential information about Ian Bell?

He didnt do or say anything wrong, why do you wish to have a really good answer. Why even reply at all if thats all you are going to say?

I just dont understand. I read a few times about some weird connections between this website and SMS, but I thought it was all just frustrated people blowing smoke, but its replies like this that make me wonder, hmmmm maybe those people were indeed correct, maybe this site does have an affiliation (and therefore definite bias and protection) towards PCars and SMS as a whole.

Again, just stipulating, not saying I am right or wrong, but I am definetely starting to get that “vibe” around here, that others have so often mantioned.

Oh ya, for sureeee!!!! ;)

You dont need to read it, you’re probably too dense to read that much writing in one go anyways, seeing as you prefer pretty graphics over physics, handling and feel in a racing sim, it clearly shows alot about you and your pathetic way of thinking’

MUAH! ;)

Nice post man, thanks. See I knew I was right to stick up for you despite our argument. :) I’m not a bad judge or character.
Okay enough of stroking my own ego… heh.

It can be tense in the pcars threads sometimes. Imagine it from my point of view when it starts to get touchy. :)
I see basically 2 sides to those who criticise it. You have a bunch who just want to hate on it and you have another bunch who want to offer their criticism because, like most of us, we just really want it to drive as good as it’s current rivals in rF2 and what we imagine the prospective Assetto Corsa will be like.
Even then not everyone has the same ability to express their criticism in a decent way and that can be like lighting the touchpaper.
To me, anyone who just wants to hate on it instead of wanting it to develop into a great sim, really isn’t a sim-racer in my mind. We don’t have a lot to choose from and we need to encourage a project like this where we DO have a chance to be a part of it and voice our opinions/concerns and whatever. Obviously the best place to ask about stuff or post about things you dont like and bugs etc is on the WMD forums. Even if you don’t get a reply, your post will get seen. I myself have asked about a few things that I was unsure and not happy with and have all my questions answered. Even made some suggestions. Whether they listen is another matter but despite me being 1 voice amongst thousands it doesn’t mean I won’t try.
If enough people agree with you, you can maybe influence the final product.

Anyway enough of my rambling, thanks for the tip about build 306. I haven’t updated yet because the server was down last night but if I get that issue, I`ll try what you said.

Good to know you’re staying around. Like you said, debating is good but arguing is not. I couldn’t agree more.
The Comment Rules are to stop debates turning into arguments. My only concern is that they are adhered to no matter who it is or in what thread.

Right, off to try to grab the build306 update. Cheers.

Kendra, the explanation is simple. This is yet another post that SMS has some influence here or that the admin is biased towards pcars just because Rob works there. When was the last time you even saw Rob moderate here ? He leaves that to me so then I have to take those latter comments personally.
I have said on more than one occasion that I will NOT tolerate any suggestions or insinuations to that effect. It is, as you say, people blowing smoke.
I want it made clear that not only are those comments wrong but I will have zero tolerance to those comments.
Believe me if SMS had control then I would think that a a lof of the negative comments we see here towards pcars would probably be gone. Also I wouldn’t moderate VR if this was the case because I would be uncomfortable with that situation.

So…that is why I asked mekanis what he meant by that comment as it seems clear to me that it is yet another one of those insinuations. That is why I said I hoped he had a good explanation for it.
So the vibe here is that we’re sick of those kind of comments and the toleration point for any further ones is zero.

This GAME is fantastic there’s no such thing as a Sim unless you race a real car end off, they are all video games some better some worse and this for me is getting better every week and still a year to release

Work of Art great tune also :)

Well said F1Racer, you tell him.

Won’t be posted here, cos Rob has beef with BSNismo, but who cares, it’s posted on other sim racing sites :)

Sorry but when someone chooses graphics over physics, in the simulation category of games then thats pretty messed up, regardless of what sims we are all fans of.

Ok cool, I thank you for the reply and thorough explanation.

On a different matter, is it true that BSNismo’s videos will not be posted on here anymore because someone who owns/runs this site has had personal problems with the guy?

I really hope not, as this is supposed to be a sim-racing website, for all sim-racing fans, and I therefore hope that peoples’ personally private problems dont affect and get in the way of that.

Maybe you’re right … but wanna feel the difference speed sensation between 60 kmph and 300 kmph and this time I don’t feel …
( look at just the road in front of you at 60 and at 250 … you won’t feel any acceleration at all )

I’ve given you your opinion…why are you still here?

Go play rFactor 1.5. Niels Heusinkveld already told you: “Physics wise, rFactor 2 is rFactor 1 + a few not too important changes”.
Pcars FFB/physics/feel just got stepped up another notch with release 306. I’m afraid it’s just a matter of time before it surpasses tired old rFactor in every way. As pretty as Pcars is, it’s the progress of the physics and handling that’s more of interest.
Let’s face it…you’ll own it and like it, even though a part of you wants to hate it.

I have seen enough to think that this site is used as a marketing/political tool by SMS to affect simracing community (that’s my opinion) and this, together with the fact that BSNismo criticized pCars in the past, resulted in my previous post.

The only SMS marketing here is that the new build news is posted here every week. Well it used to be. Build306 was out yesterday and other sim sites have the news posted already. It’s not on here yet. So it’s not like there is a specific effort to get the pcars news out. On top of that I don’t think this site posts more pcars stuff than any other sim site, so I’m afraid I cannot share your opinion. So with that in mind I don’t see how VR affects the simracing community any more or less than any other sim-racing site. In fact I think with all the ‘sensitivity’ on the pcars threads that goes on here, it could have the opposite effect.
Either way it’s an opinion you’re just going to have to keep to yourself.

To be honest Kendra, I don’t know what the deal is with Rob and BSNismo. I didn’t know where was an issue. I`ll have to ask him. I guess it’s hard to argue with your last paragraph.

Did he actually say he chose graphics over physics ? Or was that just a assumption because he criticised rF2′s graphics over pcars’ ?
Obviously from a sim-racers point of view, it should be all about the physics. But the sounds and graphics are important too because you need that level of immersion that maybe physics alone will not give you.

The paranoia is amusing. Ian Bell controls the internet you know.

I don’t think the paranoia is from our side.

I’m fairly sure punkfest was referring to mekanis’ paranoia ;-)

So I was right then :)

So tell me the reason why every single pCars related post includes a link where you can subscribe, but no other game gets this priviledge?
Or why pCars is listed on top of this site in the first place, against alphabetical order applied to the rest of the list?
It is so basic and has little effect, yet it is there for a reason.
When is the last time (or first time), we’ve seen a post with community made movies or screenshots promoting rFactor 2?
Remember the Automaniax case, wich was nothing but one-sided, pure SMS propaganda?
What is it, if not SMS marketing?

Tell me another game you can subscribe to like pcars!
There is no evidence at all that pcars get listed on top. And if it was, what woud it matter ? You think the top article gets the most reads ?
If you look right now, the build 306 news has just been posted and on top of that there is a SimRaceWay article and one for an Android app. There is no set order that I can see.
But… if there was, so what ? Why would you even have a beef with that ? Rob works there so why do you care if he helps to push it a little ?

Time for you to stop debating this with me, I’m in no mood for this paranoid nonsense.

I was refering to the list of games (red “tabs”) under Virtualr.net main logo. I’m also glad that we moved from “is there any bias?” to “what’s wrong with bias?”. Well, nothing. Just don’t say it isn’t there.
Regards

There is no bias.

If I remember right, pCARS was originially called C.A.R.S. and was in first place because of the abbreviations. Something like that I think. How much would it mean to you if I ask Montoya if he would move it ? Would you be happy then ?

I haven’t said ‘what’s wrong with bias’ so don’t put words in my mouth.

Actually what I was asking for were the ways you believe your true Sims are more complex than a game like Project CARS. I hear this a lot and no one seems to know what they’re talking about.

Your response, though, was quite telling as to your attitude towards games and gamers that don’t [in your specific, unprivileged view] constitute ‘true Sim’.

Actually they are amazing. I’ve driven all the released Sims and can compare(unlike you). The only thing I feel needing finished up at this point in time is the fine tuning of the individual cars suspensions and the afore mentioned Seta tire model plugged into all the cars.

In all honesty really I don’t compare pCARS to current offerings. I can’t in good conscience compare an unfinished product to a finished one. It’s Apples and Oranges. So I currently compare pCARS to itself using previous builds as the yard stick.

So much time has passed, and they still can feedback steering normally can not. Each version of the game found some sort of defect. In the new version when driving on a section of road wheel rpyamomu very shaking from side to side. It is not natural. That did not happen. In the replay, too many mistakes. Error sound, graphics.

So much time has passed, and they still can feedback steering normally can not. Each version of the game found some sort of defect. In the new version when driving on a section of road wheel rpyamomu very shaking from side to side. It is not natural. That did not happen. In the replay, too many mistakes. Error sound, graphics.

And optimization of the game is still terrible. To play comfortably on medium settings you need a very good graphics card. Otherwise FPS drops to 40 fps. But we need to always have 60.