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I ‘m still holding out for the changed tire and car physics , will be exciting to see how good it drives when they finally implement it. Though I suspect it will be a good few months until then.

There’s a long, long way to go with this title, so we’re going to have to be patient. Having said that it’s easier to be patient when you’re getting weekly updates – ISI please take note :-)

ISI has a way smaller team and budget. And frankly, as physics are concerned, SMS is far behind.

Agreed, but equally ISI doesn’t charge less to be involved in their beta, in terms of entry level.

It’s definitely coming along. ZondaR at Bathurst is a lot of fun. Keep up the good work.

Far behind? light years behind you mean :)

They might not charge less, but there has been a vast improvement in the Beta since release, and charging less means you get less, an equivalent price in ISI gets you less builds yes, but online play and less hassle if you criticise. A junior membership gets you monthly builds and little else

Yeah, and ISI needed far over ten years to be were they are with their physics engine ;) How old is the Madness Engine? 4 years?

If its four years old, they will get their physics model right in another six years time, roll on 2017 ;)

Vast improvement yes, still simcade though which boggles my mind even though I know its early development and I know there is a new tyre model comming out.

They had Eero Piitulainen working for them (I heard he isnt anymore), he was the brilliant guy behind Richard Burns Rally and Drivers Republic Beta which had freaking outstanding physics. That game came out as Beta back in I think 2006, the guy was a master, then he gets hired to work for Project Cars and this is what he can come up with? What the…????? From his mastery physics of Drivers Republic in 2006 to this simcade physics? Clearly he was either being SUPER restrained on just how good/real he could make his physics, or its the core physics of the game engine itself that just isnt up to the task, because Drivers Republic BETA from freaking 2006 was about 835 times better than PCars, it was BACK THEN in BETA on par or around what rFactor 2, Game Stock Car and Netkar Pro are.

Clearly something very wrong is going on there in the physics department when this guy can do a masterfull job with Richard Burns Rally and Drivers republic in the early to mid 2000′s, but then comes up with crap (relatively speaking) when he gets hired by some big company looking to sell and make money.

So
Piitulainen is not working for WMD/SMS any more? Can you verify that?

Formula A now sounds like what we had in a 1990′s console .

It’s still an improvement over the previous ones.

He seems to have left during or after Shift 2. His replacement is ‘AJ’. This has been mentioned by one of the higher-ups at SMS, probably Andy Garton or Ian Bell, in one of the physics threads.

Hi Kandra.. did Driver’s Repuplic BETA needed an online activation to work or we can still try it today? I’ve always wanted to try this simulation as it looked so promising back then but I’ve been unsuccessful finding it.

Weird, whenever I pick the Badenring, (hockenheim) Im in the garage with the shutters down and cant drive out….. Strangely, doesnt happen with the Historical circuit.. This happen to anyone else??? Hmmmm…..

So, what I gather from this post is that you don’t know who developed the physics and although nothing about the physics engine has been set in stone including an entirely new tire model – your mind has been boggled with its ‘simcade’ physics.

Sounds like most criticism so far. A new sim with a vastly unfinished physics engine takes time. You all gave sims of the past time to be great. Please do the same here and then judge when it’s complete.

I’m really not a fan of the new sounds for the Formula A. I wasn’t in love with the previous sounds but these ones sound quite bad so far.

Like everything, I’ll give the devs time to finish it.

Light years? More like a universe away, amirite?

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I think you can drive through them ;)
All those garages will get reworked with equipment in it etc anyway so just placeholder stuff right now..

no, tried that, just crash into it ah well, strange though..

I don’t think the sounds are actual samples from a real f1 car,

Yep, same here. I just reverse a little and exit through the open garage door on the right.

Agreed.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that there are no real samples in the game. It’s all synthetic (of course it’s “based on” some real samples, but I’m talking about recording sessions with real counterparts of the cars in game here). The first cars to get the real samples will be (maybe already are?) the Pagani cars. SMS did a recording sesson with those. Not sure about the others. Anyway, all the sound samples and sound systems are still very WIP (and by that I mean the audio todo list is huge), latest improvement should be new backfires added in following builds.

my frame rate has taken a big hit in the last couple of junior builds, im now hanging in the 20s, probably the clouds :(

Stupid comment. People comparing apples and oranges. Nobody seems (wants) to remember that ISI didn´t build their physics engine from yesterday to today. But funnily every other sim developers seems to have to to be accepted by the deferential and respectful hardcore simracing community.

Well I think the cars drive pretty darn good right now there surely is a lot worse out there so with that said any improvement is like icing on the cake.

Sorry I do not agree and yes it is personal opinion. I don’t really care for the physics in rF2 at the moment. Just me. It’s like GTR2 and rF1 I thought GTR2 was a much better game and has the award to prove it.

I am a big fan of ISI titles it’s basicly where I got my start so they were pretty good years ago. The whole thing is there is a lot more that goes into a game than just car physics and at the moment ISI is a Universe behind in those areas. Like I said in my above post both GTR2 and rF1 are great titles but GTR2 gave me much more enjoyment in many aspects and I think that will be true with pCARS as compared to rF2. No comparrison really pCARS is much better overall.

Your not alone, I’m thinking the same…

There’s no way to turn them down/off individually?

When it says PS3 and xbox, u already know the kinna ‘sim’ that u gonna get

Richard Burns Rally was so “bad”, it even came out for PS2 and Xbox.

A console is a PC that you can’t upgrade. You can take any game that is made for PC and port it to console without changing much. Usually the limiting factors are how easy it is to patch and video card performance.

Physics aren’t usually CPU limited and FFB is down to getting a PS3/Xbox 360 compatible wheel.

Have you noticed an improvement in Road FFB. It feels much alive now.

But the physics still needs a big improvement. I drove the historic Lotus. Well no comparison with the Brabham in rfactor2. A way to go

But It is going the right way I think and I hope. We’ll have surely nice things to come

really says wut kinna brain u have…no one says its gonna be ‘bad’. Pls read carefully.

Wow.

Doesn’t work anymore.

Never
heard of beta version though, the first and last closed / public version
was pre-alpha as far as I know.

There’s a difference between building a complete physics engine and having influece on the actual game / sim and supplying some physics assets and then relying on some devs to build the actual cars and parameters. Obviously it’s the game the devs want to build see Shift, Shift 2, Ferrari and pCars (to be fair, they ironed out a lot of weirdnesses in the latter) . I don’t know if there ever was a major overhaul to physics after his work for Shift 1. I don’t see him involved in any of the games development and cars’ handling / parameters. RBR handling is quite easy to f… up with modding if you don’t know what to do. And so is rFactor – thankfully a lot of guys gained extensive knowledge of that engine, like the guys that did GSC (Reiza) ! :)

The Pagani’s use actual sound Samples already. I’m not sure about any of the others other than the Apollo I think is using a real sound sample for interior.

How about this… reserve your judgement and mini-reviews for when the game is complete. They’re not even near 50% of the way into setting up graphic assets, cars and tracks. Which is were the main focus is right now. If you are a Member of pCARS you would know this already but a guy named A.J.(who doesn’t post on WMD forums) and Andrew Weber are still working on the new Dynamic brush tire physics system. Search for “A.J.’s Thread” on the WMD forums and all will be revealed.

Peter Arbet is working on World, general car physics and Weather System Physics.

S2U’s physics was a Static Brush Tire model BTW and was directed by EA to be that way for player accessibility reasons. It was never meant to be a dead on balls accurate Simulator(S2U that is). You can’t blame Eero for what he was directed to do by the upper ups.

Correct, he is not there anymore. A.J. is Physics lead.

Correct. Piitulainen, the man behind the RBR tire model, is behind the current tire model in Project CARS which he said was the best he could produce. Ian Bell has reiterated that he believes Piitulainen as far as the tire model is concerned but they obviously are looking to come up with something better – hence AJ’s work.

Tire models are THE hardest thing with racing sims and no sim is perfect. No sim comes close to what F1 teams use as even the ones using rFactor Pro as a graphical base are using entirely different physics models.

Looking forward to seeing what Assetto Corsa, GTR3, and the NTM for PCars can bring to the scene as far as tire models! Sim progress: ever forward!

They r bz with clouds more than cars lol