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Screenshots look amazing, particularly that dusk one. 

I’ll head off the performance comments now: there were so many lighting changes and feature additions that they knowingly reduced the performance. The code is greatly unoptimized so FPS drops of 20-30% are to be expected. I’m sure they’ll be back to normal next week.

For now I’m looking forward to my first tests at night!

Wow, exactly… Stunning.

Where is that download page again ? Oh yes, click…

 Downloading now. :)

Me too.

Shame it won’t look so pretty on my antique mechanical computing machine. 

Must save monies. 

“Reduced suspension forces linearly for AI at very low speeds”
Anyone know why? Was it too high before, or compensating for some other error?

Maybe asking in the WMD forum will get you your answer as the devs hang out there.

 lol
How many things do you adjust while on your adventures in real life land?
I just adjusted my chair so I could type, I’m not compensating for errors, nothing is wrong with my physics, could do with losing a few pounds but my physics are cool and I have no errors.
What are you looking for? If its problems, things needing changed, fiddled with or completly redesigned, you will find them.
The very nature of the software and what the folks involved are doing, you know finding bugs, reporting them etc…..

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvivKQvwx_w

I’m not trying to skewer them or anything. I’m a software dev and engineer myself, so these types of changes fascinate me.

If I had an account I would ;)

 haha with so much invested in iRacing you don’t have 10 € left for the next big sim! :)

I don’t have that much disposable income for iRacing either, let alone time to split between sims.

I’m watching all of them, if any provide better online racing I’ll move again, I already did from Forza despite all my sunk costs there. Actually, I probably have spent more money on Forza still than iRacing.

you can sign up to the forum for free man..

I getcha, it’s the sort of thing which doesn’t make sense without a fairly intimate understanding of the physics simulation SMS have running in pCARS right now. I’m curious aswell.

I would love to convert the tracks of CARS to a proper sim :)

Which proper sim? GTR2, rFactor, GT Legends? I laugh my ass off.

This Sim is really coming along and this new build had a smile on my face when I jumped onto the track. As far as the jump in price of 10 euro for Jr. membership for monthly builds this is intended to wet your appetite for an upgraded tool pack and weekly builds but as a Jr you do get considerable content for the pack price. Also the forum may very well be the most active sim race related forum on the net where many different subjects are discussed and information shared. Oh and yes it is a proper sim but in Alpha State and the fine tuning that goes on as in any software development the elements can vary from build to build still I am not disappointed

quit yer flame-baiting.

They are proper sims BR so lets not start something here.

For some reason i have 20-30 FPS less than before…. :/ Same Graphic Settings….

Didn’t know that. Can you post if you aren’t a member?

I heard it’s due to the new lighting system being completely unoptimized. Something like a 30% performance hit.

Just astonishing for a software not even on alpha form.

I thought I would do a Review  ! 

Test rig
Core I5 2500K  , 8GB Ram , Nvidia GTX 460   , 42″ 1080p tv , G25    I would say the test rig is in-line with an average pc at the moment.Graphics Graphics are fantastic I can have them on reasonably high , full car detail full textures 4X AA , shadows on low  ( even on these settings game looks nicer than all other driving games out at the moment  set to high)  I get 45-65FPS constant just me on the track doing laps and testing cars. Physics This is the main thing I want to cover as its the crux of the game and the point of a driving sim , The general handling is ok at the moment for an arcade game it feels very much like forza or a console driving game , It seems like the physics are designed around a joystick rather than a wheel, to try and explain this I will give two specific driving examples and try to explain them to convey the issues. Driving example 1)      THE CUSHION !If I am on a straight  and move the car from side to side its as if I hit an invisible cushion at the point at which the front wheels start to scrub, This is something I see in allot of console semi sim games (forza F12010 ,NFS shift) that are designed to be played with a joystick.    I think it is done because when you play with a joystick it is possible to go from full lock to full lock in an instant and its easy to do this by accident simply by knocking the joy pad. Obviously if the car had realistic physics  ( I racing , Netcar pro ) then the car would just spin off due to the front tires biting in.  But by having this cushion it stops a console gamer from losing it. With a wheel 
its imposable to go from  +900 to -900 in under 0.02 seconds but the system is still in place so when i want to shift the car around to drive on the edge  on perpouse I am instead greeted with this Cushion that totaly dulls down the game play and depth found in driving a car on the edge. Another issue with this cushion is that if you really hammer it and push past the cushion then the car loses control with the back end sweeping around in a really sluggish and hard to recover way. This is compounded by the FFB turning into the the spin instead of away from it.   With a real car you can feel the back end creeping around and as a driver you can snap it back in line an instant using the steering and that’s one of the main skills of driving on the edge. Driving Example 2)   SHOPPING CART WHEELS 

In general all the cars have massive understeer in C.A.R.S and this I believe is largely  a result of  THE CUSHION ! however there is an additional problem that if you go in to a corner with to much speed and have a slight lateral skid with all 4 wheels then its as if the wheels are all replaced with shopping cart wheels and you zoom of the track sideways. Of interest you can see this also happen in RF2 however the skid is far less pronounced in RF2 about 1/4th that of the C.A.R.S  skid , You can also achieve the same sort of sideways skid in Net car pro however that is 1/8th of what happens in C.A.R.S and half of what happens in RF2  ( in my opinion Net car pro has it spot on).  FFB

The FFB in C.A.R.S seems like it could  potentially be decent one of the most notable differences with the FFB in C.A.R.S over allot of sim’s is that the wheel is stiff at slow speed and gradually gets less stiff as you speed up in the same way a real car works. This to me makes sense especially for a driving sim as its typically at low speed that you need the most FFB to tell if the back end is going to come out under braking or when pulling out of a slow corner. C.A.R.S FFB allso seems to be doing bumps and conveys track texture very well. Unfortunately the underlying physics are not good enough to properly evaluate the FFB You get no feeling of rear grip or rear wheel spin. The CUSHION is felt in the ffb so I have no way of knowing if the back end is actually coming out or if I am just hitting the CUSHION.  Under braking the back end ether stays in-line or we get SHOPPING CART WHEELS , Where as for example in RF2 and NKP I can feel the back end trying to come out under braking and then adjust steering or brake pressure to resolve it.On the subject of braking all the brakes feel very soft it seems overly hard to lock the back end up with all the cars even the single seat open tops. I think the pinnacle of braking can be found in ferrari virtual acadomy and some RF1 F1 mods where you can very precisely tap on the brake , lock or almost lock the back end up for a fraction of  a second to get a car to turn in or make a very very tiny adjustment mid corner and Its that kind of physics detail that makes me want to do lap after lap and put serious hours into a game/simulator.  It has to be said that C.A.R.S is nowhere close to that in its current state. FINAL THOUGHTS As a semi realistic arcade/simulator C.A.R.S is in the same league as Forza4  with all the fetures they plan to put in it I’m sure the game will sell well and could be the next console hit or one of the first Big hits for the next generation of console , I also think as a game with a game pad it has massive potential. As a simulator its just not there not even close They just need to get all there staff to play Netcar pro for a week and use that as a bench mark for how the cars handle.I pray to all gods and the spaghetti monster that they implement physics on a par with NKP or RF2 if they do then this game/sim could be the crazy dogs gonads.

I don’t agree totally with alot of your thoughts but it was a good read and very constructive which is good to see for once on here.

AIUI the forums are closed unless you’re a member.

There might be some part of the forum that is open by registering, but I got the impression that you need to be a member to read, not just post.

I think allot of the issue comes from trying to describe things with words , I’m not exactly a word smith. If I have time I might do a video review were I could demon-strait the specific physics in each game and show exactly what’s happening.

Speed sensitive steering and a proper steering lock makes for a blissful joystick experience in rfactor, gtr2, gt legends, etc.

Can I have a go of the Infant build?

demonstrate

Thats the thing , I have played RF1 with a joy pad and it can work fine without braking the car physics  ( sure assists are fine as well so long as they can be all turned off ) I also played LFS with a mouse and keyboard that also worked fairly well.

I think what we get with cars is due to the fact that its the NFSS engine and built on the controls and physics of that. Also from a commercial point of view forza 4 style car handling might not be a bad thing as its what most console gamers would expect or even think of as realistic.

Obviously from a simulator point of view its depressing.

I have the same system as you and it runs also very good, but it doesn’t help the FFB.

TROLOLOL

I think the issues with the FFB are from the physics engine , Try driving without applying counter steer at the most return the wheel to centre and reduce throtel a tiny bit. 

Also test just throwing the car left and right when driving along you will see this is when the FFB seems to lag/not match up with what the car is doing the most.

Don’t take my comment too serious ;)

 Of course they are. But where would be the sense to convert the tracks into engines, that look ten times older than pCARS? On the other hand all tracks are already available for those sims.

Comparing pCARS with sims like iRACING, which are completely off reality due to its over sensitive car behaviour isn´t a good place to start with.

Reading all your words, I guess your slogan might be “the harder= the more realistic”.

I hope you also posted this “review” on their forum.

Otherwise nobody who is capable of doing something about it will ever read it.
Seeing the enormous amount of weekly updates, i can hardly imagine the boys have time to look somewhere else that their own forum.

 Criticising physics when playing with helps… Are you serious about simracing!!!???

If I could save my thoughts on paper I would not do it better.

“The general handling is ok at the moment for an arcade game it feels very much like forza…”

I already stopped reading there as it was getting laughable right there. The comment section of VirtualR for such a wall of text is exactly the wrong place nevertheless. Post it to the WMD forum.

I agree I don’t like i racing for the same reason , personally i think  Net car pro has the best feel to it . 

“The harder = the more reolistic” 

NOT AT ALL Its well known that real race cars in terms of raw handling are far easer to drive than sim games The difficulty should come from squeezing out the MS not the basic car handling. 

My point was its not close to  NKP, i racing , Rf2  at the moment in the depth of how the cars move,  but if you look at it as an arcade sim along the lines of forza4 then its very good , if you evaluate it as a pc sim then its not so good. 

though that’s not to say with later builds and changes to physics it wont be a good pc sim. 

I was not intending to write such a large comment I don’t think it does much harm people can ignore it if they want to. 

I didn’t have any helpers on , my point was it feels like there is something like spin control on when everything is off. 

how to download??

Wow those graphics are great! But still, I’ll wait and see when this game becomes a real sim, then I’ll think about buying it. Its not just that the game is unrealistic, but from what I’ve read it still has the weird pushing problem from NFS Shift, which makes the game damn near undrivable with a wheel. Still, I hope this gets fixed and the game will be great to drive! Till then, I’ll look at the eye candy and dream of what next generation Sims will look like….

 Sorry, but you are reading the wrong posts, man. Pushing from NFS Shift and undrivable with wheel?

You should open your eyes and do not trust the wrong guys.

Do not take your thought for the only truth.

For some it’s a good sim.

It’s not because you say it’s not that it’s the truth.

You should learn the two words ”FOR ME”

You are not the supreme authority in simracing.

 If you trust the first noob comment then of course better is waiting than trying by yourself.

Lighting is superb in this build. :)

Caterham is a lot harder in LFS than Project CARS… You loose any credibility.

http://www.wmdportal.com/

The cars are very easy to drive in C.A.R.S so long as you are not hovering around the limit and testing the car on the edge , you will see with real race cars that you can overdrive the car without spinning off  you will however be losing allot of time watch those BTCC videos i linked you to or on-board when people are driving in the wet the drivers can go crazy with counter steering and the car will remain very stable.  

look at this video and you can see the problem with C.A.R.S physics 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6sa8_Jpg9s&feature=related 
when losing grip the cars get locked into this weird drift.    ( this still happens in the last build ) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skc_m2HgTCA&feature=related  you can see from this video how the cars seem to pivot on there centre independent from the tires rather than on the tires. 

http://youtu.be/1XnP4rVXjRg?t=1m0s ( notice how you can power out of a corner and use 
counter steering   to allow you to keep the power down and not lose or have the back end step out to far)   This is also possible in NKP

Surely, the people reading his review are smart enough to know that it’s based on his own experiences and opinions.

 I personally think that Shift 2 is a pretty good racing game. It requires indeed good set of both cars and the steering wheel in the profile. pCARS so far is not even close to shift1 / 2 not to mention the RF2 and nkPro when it comes to page of feeling the car. I am hopeful that soon the SMS team will fix basic things such as the FFB and the whole physics. Without it, this game will be suitable only for taking nice pictures.

 I personally think that Shift 2 is a pretty good racing game. It requires indeed good set of both cars and the steering wheel in the profile. pCARS so far is not even close to shift1 / 2 not to mention the RF2 and nkPro when it comes to page of feeling the car. I am hopeful that soon the SMS team will fix basic things such as the FFB and the whole physics. Without it, this game will be suitable only for taking nice pictures.

I’m reading many different comments, and a LOT of people are saying its still pushing and that it still feels like Shift 1 and 2. Thats great that you feel otherwise, but watching videos from pCARS also showed me that it still pushes and looks like Shift 1 and 2. If you disagree, thats fine, but I think that from what I’ve read/seen, this game is still not a sim. And as I said, till the day comes that it is a sim, I will sit and enjoy the pics, since this game really is beautiful.

Looks are deceiving.

Please watch the way this car behaves going through Eau Rouge, and throughout the rest of the track….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzD-EeJtETg&feature=related

And compare it to this….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npG_idf5C8M

The game has a weird that weird “floaty” feeling that Shift had. Notice that the real Radical doesn’t defy the laws of physics, while the pCARS one does.

And I never said the game sucked, yet some fanboys on here are treating me like I did. I just said it wasn’t a sim. You can’t honestly tell me that at this moment, this build physics wise compares to iRacing or rFactor 2, can you? A lot of fanboys here push people like me away from this game since its obvious I can’t voice my own opinion.

Cue the “FINE WE NEVER WANTED ANYONE LIKE YOU PLAYING OUR AMAZING GAME ANYWAY!!!!!111!!1!!!” comments….

Please watch the way this car behaves going through Eau Rouge, and throughout the rest of the track….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzD-EeJtETg&feature=related

And compare it to this….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npG_idf5C8M

The game has a weird that weird “floaty” feeling that Shift had. Notice that the real Radical doesn’t defy the laws of physics, while the pCARS one does.

And I never said the game sucked, yet some fanboys on here are treating me like I did. I just said it wasn’t a sim. You can’t honestly tell me that at this moment, this build physics wise compares to iRacing or rFactor 2, can you? A lot of fanboys here push people like me away from this game since its obvious I can’t voice my own opinion.

Cue the “FINE WE NEVER WANTED ANYONE LIKE YOU PLAYING OUR AMAZING GAME ANYWAY!!!!!111!!1!!!” comments….

that’s build 91 mate.. nice one

The new build plays the same for the most part with he same “push” “cushion” when you try to turn the car in sharp or make quick movements/tight adjustments. 

On the other hand The graphics and menu are bloody good. Also the sounds for allot of the cars are WAY better than allot of games and sims. 

Id give them 10/10 for graphics and general software design if they can fix the console car movement  ( plays very much like forza , f12010 , NFSs ) then it will be ace !

Couldnt find any other vid of the radical, so I chose that one. Please, show me another video that is more current that disproves me though, I’d be glad to see what it looks like now!

I got used to rf1 with a controller and twin joysticks (I also resist using aids) and feel like I had less control over the Shift 2 cars when I first played it even after sorting the controls out. It is sort of like training wheels on a bicycle… they help you at first but restrict you later.

Granted I may not be 100% competitive with a controller in rf1 but it’s still loads of fun. I just can’t find that fun in Shift 2 and the like these days… maybe when I was younger as I was a Gran Turismo 1-2 freak as a teenager.

Great graphics are great but don’t make up for gameplay. I hope they sort this out fully as pCars seems very interesting. However I am waiting for the final build so I can see if I want to invest in some new computer components.

I got used to rf1 with a controller and twin joysticks (I also resist using aids) and feel like I had less control over the Shift 2 cars when I first played it even after sorting the controls out. It is sort of like training wheels on a bicycle… they help you at first but restrict you later.

Granted I may not be 100% competitive with a controller in rf1 but it’s still loads of fun. I just can’t find that fun in Shift 2 and the like these days… maybe when I was younger as I was a Gran Turismo 1-2 freak as a teenager.

Great graphics are great but don’t make up for gameplay. I hope they sort this out fully as pCars seems very interesting. However I am waiting for the final build so I can see if I want to invest in some new computer components.

You know for some people rFactor is not a sim or iRacing has faulty physics. If you wait for the perfect sim, can wait until the end of your life.

Maybe you should try to use words with their true meaning.

”Push” is not a fault is simracing, and ”cushion”, wait… that means nothing.

 In fact my remark was not for the readers, but for the writer who should learn modesty before claiming what he says has any value.

I’m sorry but the latest builds are vastly different to any of the stuff you have posted so far. Is it perfect, no. But it’s miles better than those old builds were. I have looked on the forum and can’t  see any of your posts here over there. That’s the whole point of the project in that you should voice you opinion over there instead of posting essays here and then argueing with pCARS fanboys. If you feel strongly then post it there where it will be seen and answered.

Seriously though if you think pCARS is ever gonna be like IceRacing then you are wasting your time with the project. It will never be like the old sims as it wants to be a realistic sim. Note i left NKP out there as i agree i would like pCARS to eventually offer the same fidelity and realism as NKP. The R18 and DTM are the only cars so far for me that are close to NKP, the rest need alot of work still, It’s the main reason i only race the above two atm but man there is over 12 months left for them to get them all like the R18 and DTM

The SHIFT comparisons are a complete joke IMO.

When someone mentions physics being bad and then mentions iRacing as being good then the post becomes obsolete for me. iRacing is the most unrealistic sim on the market today

Very good post, I agree i have same feeling with physics

Ricoo, can’t you atleast try to hide your fanboyism? Its really annoying….

And you know why I can’t find any videos? Cause there aren’t any good ones out there. If you think there are, please, POST THEM. Until someone posts a video showing that the weird floatiness and push is gone, I can’t think any other way than that it is still there today. So instead of using your own words, get on youtube or get fraps and show me some kind of footage that proves me wrong!

Man, burden of proof of anything is on you…

Instead of losing all this time searching for pointless proofs and accusing everybody who likes the project of fanboyism, why don’t you spend 10 little euros to join the development effort and help SMS steer pCARS in the direction that would please you, by democratically voicing your opinion where it really matters ? (WMD forums)

Nice strategy :P Because, I don’t feel like paying “10 little euros” for a product that I’m not sure about. And there are plenty of people saying the same thing as me, so I’m sure one person won’t change anything. I’m not saying that its impossible to make the game a real sim, I’m just saying that as things are at the moment, it just isn’t a sim.

And here is footage from Build 164. Yes, it seems a little better, but again, floaty throughout the circuit. Although, I will say that it is better than the previous vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAAQGtG-VPY

Wasn’t gonna bother replying with videos but it seems people either choose to link old builds or cameras that never do any sim favours. Both of mine are from build 160 and 164, nothing whatsoever like the SHIFT games, if you think it does i suggest you go back and watch that Tommy Milner SHIFT2 video that was released of his hotlap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9gJQoQjYHk 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r2K1CsT0Qs

Konrad, What part aren’t you sure about ?  What is there for any of the members to be sure about ?   10 Euros for a chance at shaping a sim is a bargain. What crap can you spend 10 euros these days ?  Take a chance in life.
About 1 person changing anything…..  imagine if everyone thought that way – the forum would be empty.
Let me tell you in two words how things are with pCARS at the moment…. Pre Alpha !

Lastly if you remove all the understeer from a racing games, then you WILL have an arcade game.  Real racing cars have understeer.  I ca’t count how many times I’ve heard F1 drivers complain about it.

You don’t really have much credance in your posts if you haven’t even tried pCARS and are going off videos and what other people say.   Understeer can be down to controller setup, car setup etc.  Also the physics are hardly finished.   If you want a voice, then join WMD and put your point of view across AFTER you’ve tried the sim and got things set up right.

Konrad, What part aren’t you sure about ?  What is there for any of the members to be sure about ?   10 Euros for a chance at shaping a sim is a bargain. What crap can you spend 10 euros these days ?  Take a chance in life.
About 1 person changing anything…..  imagine if everyone thought that way – the forum would be empty.
Let me tell you in two words how things are with pCARS at the moment…. Pre Alpha !

Lastly if you remove all the understeer from a racing games, then you WILL have an arcade game.  Real racing cars have understeer.  I ca’t count how many times I’ve heard F1 drivers complain about it.

You don’t really have much credance in your posts if you haven’t even tried pCARS and are going off videos and what other people say.   Understeer can be down to controller setup, car setup etc.  Also the physics are hardly finished.   If you want a voice, then join WMD and put your point of view across AFTER you’ve tried the sim and got things set up right.

Just bought it, 19 minutes before I make up my own mind. I hope you aren’t wrong, since unlike you, I don’t enjoy spending 10 euros on a product that sucks…. But maybe thats just me

Just bought it, 19 minutes before I make up my own mind. I hope you aren’t wrong, since unlike you, I don’t enjoy spending 10 euros on a product that sucks…. But maybe thats just me

 Wow, and they call this a sim?

Man is it gorgeous, it’s unbelievable ! Thanks for the vids.

First, I’ll start this off with an apology. The game is VERY different from NFS Shift. Yes, I admit, I was wrong about the physics (well with the cars that I tested). This game is not only BEAUTIFUL but its also a shit ton of fun to play! There are a few glitches but it is a “pre-alpha” so I can’t really complain too much. Very much pleased with my decision to buy it lol

You’re not spending money on a “product”, but investing in the development of a game. It IS NOT FINISHED. And for those 10€, you’ll be able to test it and follow the development for the next year and more ! 
If you think that something “sucks”, then please do tell that on the WMD forums, but in a polite way, and I’m sure if your issue is valid, it WILL be heard. 
If you’re not interested in helping the development and think the game isn’t finished enough for your enjoyment, just wait for the next monthly build to see how much has been accomplished until it’s released. 
It’s hardly 10€ thrown out the window, if only for the opportunity of watching an amazing team of developers work under your own eyes…

“Although, I will say that it is better than the previous vid.”
And that’s exactly what pCARS is all about. It’s really exciting to see the evolution every month (or week depending on your investment) !

“Although, I will say that it is better than the previous vid.”
And that’s exactly what pCARS is all about. It’s really exciting to see the evolution every month (or week depending on your investment) !

Glad to see you’ve changed your mind, I hope that eventually all of the skeptics can be convinced to at least give it a try. It’s also good to see someone honest enough to admit that they’d misjudged it at first sight, makes a nice change from the really hardline pro/anti-pCARS comments people post on these articles.

Glad to see you’ve changed your mind, I hope that eventually all of the skeptics can be convinced to at least give it a try. It’s also good to see someone honest enough to admit that they’d misjudged it at first sight, makes a nice change from the really hardline pro/anti-pCARS comments people post on these articles.

Nice going Konrad. Glad you like it.  You`ll definitely get your moneys worth.

Still Leo Bodnar Sli-pro not supported? That’s why I not gone buy it. Real sim with no sim hardware supported.

Still Leo Bodnar Sli-pro not supported? That’s why I not gone buy it. Real sim with no sim hardware supported.

LOL, go to eksimracing instead to complain at sms…

What made you change your mind Konrad into buying it? And i really respect you for coming on and admitting you were too quick to judge. Yes it has it faults but it’s 4 months old with an awful long way to go. Kudos though man.

pCars it’s not even an alpha…

So if somebody manages to write plugin..
It could be that in a week in won’t work anymore.
Because big parts of the code changed.

Sorry, mate. We are in build 164 and not 91. But nice try. In conclusion you have no idea what you are talking about.

 Sorry, but now you show a video played with controller, where several tweaks and aids are in to make controller steering possible.

Just take videos by BNismo and you see how good (not perfect) it drives.

 Yes, there are glitches and not just a few. But you will see that from build to build, how great it is to see improvments made in the development.

Try to understand, that they are in pre-alpha build. You know what that mean? Building up the content and features, complete coding and including content. They not even have support for all wheels and drivers, yet.

It´s annoying always seeing people expecting a complete game in this stage. This clearly shows me, that most people don´t have any clue about game development.

Try to understand, that they are in pre-alpha build. You know what that mean? Building up the content and features, complete coding and including content. They not even have support for all wheels and drivers, yet.

It´s annoying always seeing people expecting a complete game in this stage. This clearly shows me, that most people don´t have any clue about game development.

 I still think the FFB and the handling needs a lot of work, i don’t find them comfortable.

 I still think the FFB and the handling needs a lot of work, i don’t find them comfortable.

Respect for the attitude, very cool of you !

Glad my strategy worked ! (just kidding ;)

It’s true that viewed from “outside”, it is not easy to understand how early in the development pCARS is due to the already amazing graphics… Imagine what we’ll get when the game will be as advanced in the other departments ! 
Also the graphics is the most obvious thing to program, everyone can see how better looking a technology is, but the input (wheels) and physics is something much more subjective so SMS really needs OUR input about it. Usually, game input is the last thing developers work on (even SMS on Shift implemented the wheels very late) so the fact they’re VERY actively working on that aspect from the start is a VERY good sign.

Anyways, welcome to project CARS, fellow member :D

Some take longer than others, that’s why we have to keep explaining…

We’ll get there, eventually, don’t despair Big Ron ;)

Me neither, but it’s changing so fast for the moment I don’t despair. When I really want some good FFB and handling, I have rF2 ;)

If you have a Fanatec wheel, there’s still a bug in Fanatec’s driver that SMS can’t do anything about, things will settle in the next few weeks I’m sure. Thomas is beta testing the CSW, probably doesn’t have much time to go back to the driver for the moment.

FFB and handling is much improved, lighting is awesome and night racing  and LM24 track will be the best when finished great elevation and road markings,( drop the hills in the background not real and spoil the track for me) can’t wait for the trees to be added .

10 euros for a new monthly build is outstanding value, and seeing a racer get built in real time is satisfying…keep up the good work SMS and don’t listen to the haters, there’s people posting negative  comments on here and have not even played the game !

 Don’t praise too much the game or you will soon be accused of fanboyism… if you see what I mean. ;)

This is a very good build.  To me the handling has improved.  But there is one little problem.  Has any one had a replay problem after this recent build.  My replays stop after about 10 seconds. This has never happen before. Is anyone else having this problem, or is just my crazy computer.

For technical issues, you better ask directly on WMD forums… Check out this thread : 
http://forum.wmdportal.com/showthread.php?3751-Build-164-Replays-freeze-within-a-few-seconds.

Yes they do.  You should learn to deal with it.

I’d say at this rate the game is 10 builds off from having  simulation type car control , as it is it plays like forza 4  

they have gradually improved it but the core control and physics issues still remain , thing stopping them from changing the tire code totaly , or tweaking it to the point that it becomes good as a simulation. 

That second video you referred to has nothing to do with car physics – it’s already been said by the devs that the current orientation of the swingman camera is making it appear as if the cars are pivoting on a centre point when they really aren’t.

You should learn to deal with that for someone C.A.R.S isn’t a sim.

Yes it does ,  I am fully aware that the rear cam makes the car look like its moving different than it actually is , the wind shake effect they have on the cam does this as well. 

Its still a fact that the cars have strange grip in drifting situation or situations where you would be driving on the edge. 
play Netcarpro and then go into C.A.R.S and compare the amount of depth / feel / stability NetcarPro has over C.A.R.S   granted cars is in early alpha so it will probably get better over time and if they fix the physics or get it close to a simulation level then the game will be fantastic. CARS has fantastic visuals and its one of the few games to have on-board camera shake that’s imersive but not distracting , the lighting and in car shadows are also amazing and the sounds for most the cars are way above other sim’s on the market. 

 This approach of constant defending such unquestionable flaws and bashing/banning people who expose them is what in my opinion hurts the development of this game the most. Why? Because it makes me think that they don’t/don’t want to see anything wrong with these flaws and they won’t do anything to fix them.

BTW: if you look closely, you can notice that there is not even a tiny bit of counter steering in this second video.

I wonder if i can get closer to the right hand edge? :)

 Exactly this, apparently the next builds will have optimizations that will bring that framerate back up.

Hahahahaha you troll ;)
Good idea, let’s check it out :P

What I referenced was not a flaw, but a misconception. 

And the video is of build 139. There have been many improvements in the physics since then, with the race cars being a tad more oversteery. I should know, I’ve had to countersteer quite a bit when driving the open-wheelers…