Project CARS – Build 489 Available

A new Junior build of Project CARS is available, introducing not just a new track but also a very important new physics feature.

The new build is available to all members starting with Junior level, introducing a brand new fictional track – Fort Felix.

Aside from the fresh content and the usual big stream of fixes and improvements, the new build also introduces a brand new throttle system, bringing lots of improvements to the simulation:

Throttle system features

  • Better feel from the throttle pedal at small inputs. This was really the main purpose of the new system; everything else is gravy. Gone is the time of the large ‘deadzone’ when you start to press the pedal; the engine starts producing positive torque very quickly now and you will have a much larger range for modulation.
  • Snappier throttle response at low rpm.
  • A car’s peak power may vary a bit from track to track. This is because we now use ambient air pressure as part of the engine torque calculations, so things like elevation and weather will have an impact on engine performance.
  • Idle speeds fall out of the model naturally and will change slightly from setup and weather.
  • The clutch feels a lot better when pulling away from a standstill. Unexpected but really cool side effect. A lot of cars can realistically get rolling with careful modulation of the clutch and no throttle input whatsoever.
  • New Brake Mapping slider in the setup screen for all cars. This controls the level of engine braking and is a fairly abstract value. Think of it like a vacuum line connected to the throttle, so that it opens up more at high rpm to relieve some of the intake manifold vacuum (the major source of engine braking torque). All you really need to know is that 0=lots of engine braking and 10+=very little engine braking.
  • New Restrictor Size slider in setup screen for some cars. Fun stuff here. This changes the size of the restrictors/throttle bodies on the engine to control the amount of power produced. This will ultimately move out of the setup screen and become part of the event setup, only adjustable by the event administrator. For now it needs to be somewhere everyone can work with for testing. As a result it’s possible to create a 600hp Asano X4, for example. Honor system will be required for multiplayer with these cars. Do play around with this on the cars that have it enabled. A particularly cool one is the Caper stock car which has a minimum restrictor size similar to what was used at restrictor plate tracks in 1990. You’ll notice that not only does the power level reduce from 650 to 400hp, but it also moves down to a much lower rpm simulating the choking effect of the smaller air aperture. Cool stuff.

Build 489 (7/6/13, Junior Member+)
Base:
* Updated BXmlNode to provide access to arbitrary user data
* Added BDbgFatalNoReturn. Which is a version of BDbgFatal with the platform no return specifier
Console:
* WiiU CParticleMeshPrimitive/Type stubs/WIP
* WiiU RenderContext stubs
* WiiU COcclusionQuery stubs
* WiiU CMaterial implementation.
* WiiU CInstancedMeshPrimitive/Type stubs/WIP
* WiiU CLightweightMeshPrimitive/Type stubs/WIP
* WiiU implemented full primitive utility function set
* WiiU CSharedDynamicVertex and Index Buffer stubs
* WiiU CShadowControl implemented
* WiiU misc Renderer classes compile/stubs (CScreenShot/CTracker/CVideo)
* WiiU CRenderer/RenderThread base headers (stripped down from DX11)
* WiiU CGenInstancingPlatformHelper added
* WiiU CDebugProvider/CDebugMetrics added
* WiiU CDebugBatch Line/Quad/Text added. (probably should make this cross-platform at some point since the code is the same on all targets)
* WiiU Viewport class implementation
* WiiU add MEM1 allocator (derived from 360 Write Combining/PS3 VRAM allocator class)
* WIIU CCamera Class implementation (derived from PS3 version which was a good match)
* WiiU Base Renderer Abstraction Compilation Fixes/ShadowControlBase implementation
* WiiU Debug Lines/Quads/Text Primitive/PrimitiveType stubs
Race weekend: 
* Session saving & restoring
Debug menu:
* Enabled extra controls in debug menu for displaying average luminance value
Physics:
* Pass dynamic live air pressure values to physics systems
* Vehicle dynamics updates:
* Volumetric throttle modelling
* Tweakers for throttle response
* Non-gold csv export of brakemapping and torque volumetric data
* New algorithm for engine load used by audio systems
* Adjustable brake mapping and restrictor plates
* Ambient pressure considered as part of throttle response
* Per vehicle EDF updates to use new systems
* Updated switch from loading state to race to proceed physics sync immediately
Environment:
* Added controls to allow us to be able to scale the lighting on vehicles
* Added 15 percent saturation to clear 3 with new colour cube
* Clear 03 yellow sun tint reduced a touch
* Clear 02 emap boost/ambient reduced so that it can be compared to higher value in clear 05
* Clear 3 sun colour test, has more yellow hued sun in the day
* WTC updates so that sunny and medium cloud conditions have brighter sun, more tone mapping adjustment, more blue sheen at midday and several other tweaks for daytime lighting
Replays:
* Updated participant snapshot version number. Should fix EOR replays
Shaders:
* Shader changes to take into account new scalers for vehicle lighting
Audio:
* Got a lot further with the distant echo, amplitude rolloff and LPF occlusion for the the external engines, backfires, splutters and gearshift sounds of the 4 testbed cars (Caterham R500, Zonda R, Formula A and Capri Group 5). I’ve also done a quick pass on the engine dynamics in an attempt to create a more realistic ramp in volume and engine loads. The Capri Group 5 engine no longer has the weird popping sound like its misfiring
GUI:
* New icon for Edit HUD
Tracks:
* Northampton Classic: New road and runoff materials, reworked pit buildings and stands, added grass tufts to runoff area
* Azure Circuit: Moved first garage position to fixed damaging the car on load, added more road patches, seams, improved road textures a bit, back to high rez version of the main road texture and fixed alpha channel, darkened a bit whitelines, created new diving board+added slide and stair/rails to it
* All Track TRDs: Added Altitude data for all track TRDs
* Added new track…. Fort Felix 
Vehicles:
* Mercedes SLS GT3: Added placeholder lights and mirrors
* Ford Mustang Boss: Added placeholder lights and mirrors
* Lotus 98T: New modal carcass and Flash tread. Enabled some wear and heating for public testing. Not sure amounts as I’m doing it mostly by feel. Lotus 78 – same caracass and flash changes as the 98T. also has wear and heating enabled

Builds 480 is available via the Project CARS launcher that is available on the WMD Downloads Page

Project CARS is coming to the PC, Xbox 360, Playstation 3 and Wii U in 2014. More info can be found on the WMD website.

GTOmegaRacing.com

  • Anonymous

    This is the track from TDF Legneds

  • Anonymous

    Kunos has Ginetta license for Assetto Corsa ?

  • Aleksei Kolesnikov

    Here 6 months of anything new. There are no new cars, there are no new routes, there are no essential updatings. Lаgs and the size are added only.

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Broke my wheel on this one. Got just….meh…a bit too aggressive on steering and went beyond the 900′ limit :)
    So sim-racing is down for me until my nice new shiny one gets here.
    Guess its FPS games for the time being.
    So I`ll catch next weeks build.

  • PetersonGP

    I’ve deleted the game.Steam…?no way.Fortunately, I had only the junior member.
    Rf2 is the future for me.Incredible with the RFT F1 2013 1.1 Demo Mod.

  • yorch sinclair

    Wow! Another build!

  • Anonymous

    Several cars, tracks and important updates have been released in the last six months. I don’t usually do this, but: you’re either lying or not looking.

  • SSnabe@Hotmail.com

    Nice !!

  • punkfest2000

    Thanks for telling us. It changes everything.

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    What is the problem with them going steam?

  • Hurdy Hurdy

    The future or only option?

    AC are also pushing for STEAM platform so that would have you crossing them off your list too.

  • Andrea Candini

    Honestly… who cares? If you prefer not to play good games at great prices you’re free to do it. Steam is a great resource, a fundamentl piece of software for pc gaming.

  • PetersonGP

    If I do not agree to changing conditions in the user rights of steam my account is gone.
    I can`t resell the purchased software.Activation is just a time possible.USW.

  • PetersonGP

    No problem dude.

  • PetersonGP

    Yep,made.

  • Anonymous

    Not only barometric pressure response, but restrictor plates and everything. Very cool!

  • PetersonGP

    It is not good when a company achieves such a power over the gaming sector.Companies can not handle it and will use it to our detriment. I am still totally dependent on steam and Internet!That just do not like me.

  • kronik

    yep…. Misty Loch

  • Mazda Mps

    Please implement actual Atom sounds soon please!

  • Andrea Candini

    If there still is a gaming sector on PC, partly is because of Steam.
    Comapnies can’t handle it? Well, to me they’re just trying to do their best to be part of it because it only brings advantages to them.

  • Andrea Candini

    And since when that is problem, considering that Steam allows you to purchase a key code from everywhere you want (often for a very little price)? Do you really want to sell something you paid 5/10€?

  • Alejandro Gorgal

    Dude, they literally included a new track on this build, not to mention physics, sound and other updates, are you kidding me?

  • Ross Siggers

    I could not agree more with the sentiment of VALVe carrying the PC gaming sector these days. Of all the rival/immitation platforms, name one that even comes close. Steam is the most popular, and the most reasonable pricing wise. It supports more indie games, it has more free content, it has more varied content. It doesn’t have to be always on when playing, it has great friend/community features.

    I’m beginning to sound fanboyish, but you say they can’t handle it and will turn the system against us? I can’t think of a safer pair of hands than VALVe…

  • C4

    Wii U is the perfect platform for pCars, head to head against Mario Kart :)

  • Aleksei Kolesnikov

    Nothing of that for Juniors Members! No new cars, no new tracks.

  • Matt Orr

    Every time I fire up pCars I’m left wondering what the hell is going on here. Tried the Caterham 500 at Bathurst last night, felt awesome. Try anything with any weight, it’s dead on center. Still no clue what the end product will be.

    But, the throttle update is warmly welcomed. Always felt like I needed to hold half pedal travel here to hold speed. Now it actually works properly!

  • Professional Operator

    Seriously dude?

    Have you ever heard about “MODDING” ?

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    “If I do not agree to changing conditions in the user rights of steam my account is gone.”
    Duh. ofc it is. Yoiu either agree with it(by using it), or dont agree with it(by not using it, and with that whats the point of losing something you do not even use?). You really think that this is something specific for Steam? Did you know that the application you used to post this comment(Disqus) handles it in a similar way? PRetty much everything and everyone uses a similar way of handling these changes. You either agree with it by using it, or disagree with it by not using it. So then with Steam, you lose the account(probably cause it is deleted), but with other services the account stays, and it’s information is still used. I think I then prefer Steams way. So I dont see the big deal here.

    “I can`t resell the purchased software.Activation is just a time possible.USW.”
    Maybe if people stopped buying every game they maybe want and take some thought in buying the game(i. e. do I really want it, will I play it more). Again, I dont see the problem here. If you have such a huge problem with that, then buy your games in a store, where you can return it, or sell it second handed.

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    Then buy your games in a store?

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    Then you maybe had to buy a higher package? Also the junior members had the updates, they only receive it once a month instead of once a week.

  • Nicolas Grignon

    yup, it cost you to be cheap… too late to change, too bad for you.

  • Nicolas Grignon

    everytime I see screen from this “game of the future” (RF2), I just think “gee, what an old graphic engine, this is…”

  • Anonymous

    The toolpack perks have always listed exclusive cars and tracks for Team Member and higher. You still have access to a large amount of the game, way more than is needed to fulfill your role as a tester and give feedback. If you were just buying in to have a new game to play then you’ve misinterpreted things a bit, but you’ve still got way more than 10 Euros worth of content already.

  • http://display.vracing.pl Gniewko Ostrowski

    full member…refunded to get rf2 lifetime :)

  • Anonymous

    Prrrrretty sure they don’t check VirtualR comments sections on what to work on next. If they did Assetto Corsa would be released, iRacing wouldn’t coat their tires in oil and rFactor wouldn’t look like 2004.

  • Anonymous

    Did you think you were going to get to play the whole game for $10?

  • Holy Sword

    this is the same track from Ferrari Racing legend called Misty Loch

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0_49rwJD_M

  • Anonymous

    They should make an easter egg in the game.. Some kind of Mario Kart like track, give the Karts cartoony liveries.. put some icepatches with a bananatexture on the track and.. oh wait one look at the setup screen and the illusion would be gone. ^^

  • Realkman666

    I thought those who were already in could opt out of Steam. Either way, enjoy rF2!

  • Realkman666

    Only if it’s Steam exclusive.

  • Realkman666

    And now you have me scared that AC will only be on Steam. :(

  • Anonymous

    So then do you think it’s aero related? and do you create custom setups?

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm didn’t read it sorry my bad.

  • Realkman666

    SMS should be that smug, it would get uninstalled so quick! :D

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm I keep 3 spare wheels and 2 spare PC’s I am never dead in the water

  • Realkman666

    I might get one just to play this without Steam!

  • Matt Orr

    No, not at all aero related. Regardless of speeds, it still is non responsive around the center in almost all cars, even the Atoms are still numb (in terms of response) around center, but the Caterhams (all of them, including the SP300R) don’t seem to exhibit that behavior, same with the Palmer Jaguar.

    Not talking FFB, just reactions to input. Input lag non issue, usually running 90+ frames. Minor setup tweaking, but nothing major as it’s still largely pointless at this phase.

  • Anonymous

    I understand his concern. If he disagrees with the ToS today, but they change it in a way he doesn’t agree with later, he is locked out of the software he purchased that depends on the Steam DRM. The stakes are a bit higher than just a commenting system.

  • yorch sinclair

    I think exacty the same. Each build i test a lot of cars and i always end with Palmer Jaguar. Excellent handling and behavior!, With difference, the best car in this “game”, is the only car that i feel “natural”…

  • suttcliffe

    Well you can’t sell rf2 either can you?

  • PetersonGP

    Of course.
    I can pass the activation code.

  • PetersonGP

    On Steam I’ll give everything out of your hand and can decide nothing, updates need to be made, games can subsequently be censored or be put on the index, based on my IP it is decided which version I can download, operating systems are no longer supported so that games not are more playable.Software needs to resell under European law, steam denied that.This power is exploited at some point, no matter by whom.In addition, Steam eats memory unnecessarily.
    This is my opinion and I would like to impose on these anyone.
    There are people who let themselves voluntarily plant an RFID chip under the skin, everyone as he likes! ;-)

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Yeah that’s normal :) By the time you get to use that 3rd PC because the other 2 have let you down, it’s already a decade out of date :)

  • Kris Baxter

    makes no difference, if the game is signed up for steam, even bought from a store it still must be installed via steam, you just use the disc to install and then steam updates it. I’ve been caught out a few times before, I’ve had to give up hating steam as it seems I’m stuck it now.

  • Kris Baxter

    true, but we are forced to keep the game though, no refunds, no relinquishing of licence’s. I’ve been stung a few times where I’ve bought a steam game only to realize it sucks, but I’m stuck with it, so effectively I’m out of out pocket and have not chance of recouping any of my money for something I may have spent 30 minutes playing, that is the biggest problem with valve and something they need to address. Atleast in the past you could buy a game willy nilly knowing you can atleast sell it if it sucks or is not to your liking, now it means you have to do due dilligence before buying anything, its a fricken game not a house!

  • Kris Baxter

    why not? If buy a game and don’t like it, I can’t even sell or give it to mate that might like it. Just Cause 2 for instance, sounded all very good, looked slick, I thought I had checked enough, 60 minutes of playing later and I was uninstalling it, now I’m stuck with it and no way of getting my money back or sharing the dullness with my friends.
    Especially when I was in NZ, games are not cheap, so my mate and I would share game buying, when done we would swap games, now we both have to own the game, but instead I tended to not bother as $100NZ a PC game was too much to justify, when I move back to NZ I will again have to go without because games are simply too expensive when I am unable to the joy or sell on.

  • Anonymous

    please, i cannot take this anymore. please please stop showing constant pcar updates. Okay, yes, I’ll buy it, give me the sales contract, I’ll sign it…..just…..cannot take…….another…..pcars…..build update…..story…………please stooooppppp.

  • Andrea Candini

    Games aren’t cheap all over the world, not only in NZ. Thtat’s why websites like g2play, greenmangaming etc exist and allow you to save a huge quantity of money. You can always purchase something at very low price, when there’s some discount going on.
    And this is possible only thanks to what Steam began.

  • Markus Ott

    I am sure at least Ian Bell checks comment sections of VirtualR.

  • Mazda Mps

    I never expected them to. It’s a discussion board, to discuss.

  • Kris Baxter

    I know, I just meant it greatly affected my buying decisions because at close to £50 (or $79 US, whichever you appreciate more) a game, it was out of most peoples reach to buy game after game(as I’m sure with a lot of countries), yet here in the UK as games are cheaper and my income more I can afford to buy them. So in markets where the affordability of a game greatly influences the buying decisions, Steam is not a good idea, my mate and I would avoid steam where possible for this reason, it might be cheaper, but if I don’t like it I am still stuck with it, i have several coffee cup place mats because of this.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm I still have GP4 and GPL so I will never need to be hospitalized for withdraw.

  • Anonymous

    Also give the Ariel 500 and Bac Mono a run as well . Or also the Lotus 49 and Capri. There are plenty of cars to be liked if you test enough of them and just don’t come up with conclusions over 1 or 2. I also base this on the respects that people have their own styles and likes. I think there is something for everyone if effort is put in to finding that.

  • Anonymous

    Haha I started with Mario Kart and in it’s time it Ruled! Boy was that a long time ago.

  • Ross Siggers

    I must disagree here. This isn’t a problem with valve. This is a problem with digital downloads as a whole. The idea that EA and Origin ever refunding your online purchases is ludicrous, and try returning a carpack you bought for Forza 4…

  • Anonymous

    Your comment was directed at the discussion board. What discussion would come from asking [the devs] for new sounds for a specific car?

  • Anonymous

    He doesn’t prioritize his audio engineers based on a single comment (or several dozen) from VirtualR.

  • Joshua Healy

    I haven’t been able to get a refund for a PC game if it sucked for years now, regardless of if it uses a platform such as Steam, Origin or GFWL.
    Even if the game has a standard offline CD-Key install you usually can’t get a refund from the store you purchased from.
    I don’t see how you can narrow this down to just a Steam problem.

  • Kris Baxter

    well ok, maybe not a refund, but you could go on your favourite auction site or computer exchange and atleast recoup some of your money.

  • Big Ron

    -> use wheel button of your mouse -> scroll over or below pCARS -article -> click on it= not taken a pCARS-article.

  • Kris Baxter

    Because of the model created by Steam, Origin is on the bandwagon too. The problem they say is licensing, and it is not my right to onsell a licence, but if I have a physical copy without an end of life, then that doesn’t fly, I am effectively being forced to keep something I don’t want (precluding the obvious answer of throwing it away), thats like buying a car and being told you can’t ever sell it 2nd hand cos it kills the brand new car market, and no you can’t even give it your kids. If that is the way they are going to play it, then new games should be much, much cheaper, as we are only paying for the licence, for instance, on Steam Black Ops (1) is currently 59.99 euros, or £51, what the hell is that? I delayed buying it for ages until I finally found a site that had the disc for £20, how many people are they (all digital download providers) alienating by not having cheaper prices, or negotiating cheaper prices with the publishers?

  • Roger Wallentin

    I try pCars every few builds, last time was about 1½ month ago I gave it a proper go. Last time i quit after 10 minutes since i felt handling of the cars i tried was still too far off.

    I have been driving build 489 now for 5-6 hours+ and really enjoying it!! The steering and force feedback has taken a huge step forward and the updates to physics and car handling is now closing in to something which can become a top level sim!

    The below combination of settings and car feels significantly better then earlier builds

    ==GAME SETTINGS==
    - Camera -> World Movement = 100% (otherwise the car moves around free from the camera which if fixed forwards…)

    - Clear the UI from all hud items (my preference for more realistic view)

    - All realism to full, no aids

    ==CARS==

    — Mercedes SLS AMG (road version) —
    For the first time you have some control over under and oversteer, it does not feel perfect but its now very enjoyable and you feel like you have control even if the tail comes out (which it does quite a lot). Interior is beautiful and the sound is great as well (maybe a bit overdone but very immersive)

    — Pagani Zonda R —
    This is one of the lead cars where they tune new updates to physics and sounds etc. This is now an extremely immersive experience! The handling is not perfect but it does now feel quite realistic, it is not forgiving because it is not in real life but you now have more feedback and control than before. The new sound is really good too!

    — GT cars BMW M1 and Ford Capri —
    Both are now VERY immersive and handle in a realistic manner. The Capri is currently my favorite car. The handling is sharp but managable, the sound is amazing! The dash guages in the capri are not yet done but otherwise its very complete.

    Im sure there are other cars that are quite good now as well, I tried a few which where not really “drivable” in my view.

    I have been skeptic about pCars physics and handling earlier during development but now it has taken a big step forwards and is now with some cars good enough to properly enjoy in a “hardcore sim” fashion!

    I even enjoyed this directly after driving the AC tech preview, it is that good! :) Clearly worth another go if you are part of the beta and you havent tried it in a while!

  • Mazda Mps

    If I want something from the devs I’ll post on the WMD forum. I posted it on a DISCUSSION board to discuss, to see if any others shared my pain in hearing placeholder sounds on my favourite car. Stop trolling.

  • speed1

    Very intresting physic developement there. Shows me off how serious SMS takes developing a Sim. +1
    Keep it up !

  • Anonymous

    were is bonnet cam gone?

  • Anonymous

    As a bonus, the Capri’s dash gauges are actually done, they just didn’t make last Friday’s build. Your next available build should have them.

  • C4

    Actually I think sounds can be done at a later point in development without issues, it’s probably half a year away to release if not more. I understand you don’t like that though, and sound in generally should have higher priority in software development. Maybe it’s subtle, but if it’s done right most people notice and appriciate good sounds.

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Well I’m not in such a hyper state that that would happen to me. :) Thankfully I have other things in my life like photography, astronomy and other geeky stuff to keep me going – not to mention driving my real car.
    But yes, I still run GP4 with the keyboard and it’s ace !

    Gotta just say right now how damn impressed I am with the customer service from Fanatec ! (Mind you I don’t have my replacement yet so let’s see how long it takes).

    I emailed them and told them that I broke the wheel by being too aggressive with it (due to a tantrum I was having at the time) – totally my fault. And that I also needed to overhaul my Clubsport pedals so I needed new sensors for the clutch and brake.

    They emailed me back today and said they would supply the sensors for all three pedals for €35 and that when I bought the replacement GT3RS wheel (as opposed to just the base which they did not have in stock) that they would not charge me any postage ! This saves me over €85 !

    How cool is that ?! Nice going Fanatec ! Seriously impressed.

  • Ross Siggers

    The majority are cheaper though…only a few of the massive blockbusters maintain a higher price. I mean your example was CoD…what did you expect. And again can I point out that other platforms are just as unreasonable in places. Publishers aren’t completely left out of the loop when it comes to pricing, I’m sure they refused that game to sell for less right now. GRID 2 is currently a pretty reasonable £23, and I guess that you don’t participate in all the ludicrous steam sales. Not sure about the car comparison, I don’t know if a single game would take me months/years of saving and be a financial investment to last…along with tax, insurance, and all that jazz…not a fair comparison imho. Maybe something like a TV or other electronics I can see where you;re coming from. But it’s an inherent issue with Digital Distribution.

    You mention the model created by steam, and the obvious lack of resale… I still maintain you’re mistaking it with the issues with digital distribution as a whole. I do not believe that if anyone else had pioneered the system, it would have turned out significantly different.

  • Ross Siggers

    Yeah, there are three ‘groups’ of cameras in current builds. Action cameras, placed all around the car, extrernal driving cameras, and internal driving cameras. Endless choice! :3

  • Anonymous

    Johannes is the Man!!! The guy types his fingers bloody all for us the customer and Fanatec’s personal approach in regards to consumer support is 2nd to none.

  • bduddy

    Another satisfied customer!

  • bduddy

    Hey, why not? They already have the tracks, why not use them… More is better than less!

  • bduddy

    Also iRacing would pay you money to play, LFS would be at S5, rF2 would have been released 2 years ago…

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Yep. So far they really came through for me on this one.

  • Anonymous

    It pays off for them too, word of mouth like that has rapidly eroded their old image of bad support, and makes me seriously consider one of their wheels if / when I replace the ol’ G25.

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Thankfully I’ve never once had any issues with support from Fanatec. I think they went the extra mile here.

  • Akshaye Drake Seesurn

    IF ANYONE WANTS TO GET RID s e l l
    an account for project cars
    please pm me
    thanks

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    “On Steam I’ll give everything out of your hand and can decide nothing, updates need to be made, games can subsequently be censored or be put on the index, based on my IP it is decided which version I can download, operating systems are no longer supported so that games not are more playable.”
    Steam is far from the only one doing this, as a matter of fact, this also is fairly common.

    “Software needs to resell under European law, steam denied that.”

    Who says you are buying software? As far as I’m concerned you are buying a license to use the software, and this is the same reason why it cannot be resold, because it is licensed to YOU.

    “This power is exploited at some point, no matter by whom.In addition.”

    Power is always exploited, just pure human nature.

    “Steam eats memory unnecessarily.”

    Is it? Because last time I checked, steam is there for DRM, online, save syncing and receiving updates for games. So it is quite useful in making sure your game runs. On the other hand, you can also just not run Steam at startup and close it after playing a game. And this 50MB that runs with it isnt much compared to the other GB’s of pCARS or other games. And if memory is that precious to you, close down other programs or buy more memory, memory is dead cheap these days.

    “There are people who let themselves voluntarily plant an RFID chip under the skin, everyone as he likes! ;-)”

    And I really dont see the comparison here. Sure, steam has it’s downsides, but for me the upsides for steam outweigh the downsides by a huge amount. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. you don’t like it, that’s fine, then you can ask your money back if you want to.

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    And here is where the problem of reselling comes in. I mean, if you had checked, read reviews, maybe even tried it then you would already have come to the conclusion that it sucked and you wouldnt have bought it.

    A golden tip here; Just dont buy everything blindly, then you dont get to the problem of reselling it.

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    it’s about what you believe your stakes are. If you dont agree with the steam ToS you cant play it’s games, if you dont agree with Disqus’ ToS you cant comment on a crapload of sites, that’s just how it goes.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t imagine a logical argument which would put the stakes of ‘commenting on websites’ above ‘loss of stuff you paid for’. And this is coming from someone who comments A LOT on the internet.

  • Ole Marius Myrvold

    Read Reviews? You mean, the ones that always give good scores to AAA games? Somehow AAA games never suck when you read reviews. Checking Metacritic, every AAA game have a group that love the game, and a group that hate the game!

    Then I have to move to YT to check. Lot’s of compliations, the game looks good. So then I need to find a Let’s Play. Those tend to take some time to be put out, and suddenly, Steam have a sale, 50-75%. What to do…

    Games really does need a demo. I regret not testing the Just Cause 2 demo, as I did also burn myself on that game. Everything seemed very good. After 13 hours, and 5 “JC2 have encountered a problem”, I stopped playing it. But no matter what I do. I will always have the game. Cannot sell it cheap to a buddy or anything.

  • Ole Marius Myrvold

    I think it’s just as much down to what the customer writes first as well. I’ve heard so much negative words about Fanatec and Logitech customer service. Never had any Fanatec products (a bit out of my price league), but I was offered a G27 for 50% from Logitech, when I f’d up my old G27. My fault, warranty was out. Still 50% :)

    Not trying a “Logitech are still the kings” here :) I just think it’s much to do with the customer contacting as well. If you write open, honest and happy, you will more often that not get a positive mail back as well :)

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    I think that it’s fair to say if you are nice, polite and open about it you will get a better response than if you’re being moody or aggressive as if it’s their fault.

    As you say it’s not a competition to see which company is better. There will be good and bad experiences that people have had from all companies I reckon.

    Well they just mailed me today and my new wheel and new pedal components look to be shipping today. Yay.
    My old wheel will be good to keep for spare parts.

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    “Read Reviews? You mean, the ones that always give good scores to AAA games? Somehow AAA games never suck when you read reviews. Checking Metacritic, every AAA game have a group that love the game, and a group that hate the game!”
    Metacritic also has user reviews. Not to mention there is enough footage on Youtube about the game which you can check before buying it.

    After the farce that was GTA4 which I buyed for the pc at launch I do that, just wait for the launch and then see the reviews. Or I try it via a torrent and can then decide if it is worth buying.

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    I comment a lot too, for a lot of sites via Disqus. Still, in my though there is a lot more going on than just “disagreeing with the ToS”. In my thought you are better off taking your “loss” than just not use it, and then pretty much stopping yourself from playing games(or comenting on websites). Plus, what is there to disagree with? There rarely are actual problems with the ToS(think as in Origins “we can check everything on your pc”).

  • Anonymous

    Apparently the plan is to focus on experimenting with the Zonda R, Capri, R500 and Formula A until they’ve nailed the sort of sound everyone wants, then apply that level of quality across the other cars. Might be a little while until the Atom is covered, but when it is it should hopefully be good.

  • Anonymous

    Come back to cars after a few mths, upgrades clear to see real time weather is a work of art, so immerse, Physics and FFB getting a lot better now more feel ..Game just gets better ……….wish someone would finish Le Mans track?;)

  • linkinstreet

    Welcome to the future of gaming. That’s why Microsoft is using this for the Xbox One, because that’s how everything is going to be in the future. Honestly I don’t really care, as I feel the ease of having things tied to my account is easier than having a physical copy. And I don’t see it changing in the near future. Sony will be forced to join in one way or another as well.

    And don’t blame the distribution way when you are stuck with a game that you don’t like. Digital distribution has always been a faster, as well as cheaper method of selling games, since you are bypassing any third party physical seller. But it’s up to the developer to provide some sort of demo before the game is released for players to try before buying. But most companies now just wont do that. To combat this, what Steam does is sometimes over a weekend they will give gamers a chance to play a full game without paying, and if they like it, they could buy it for a discount. If not, well just delete it afterwards.

    Also the art of buying digital games, especially from steam is easy. You just to know when to buy. Id’ recommend cheapshark.com for a start.

    There are many reason why digital distribution is the future, and sharing physical copies will be going to the way of the dodo in a year or two

  • Kris Baxter

    It might be the way of the future, but is it the best way? Should we just accept it?

    I will blame the distribution method though, you are assuming that all games are purchased online. When I was in NZ because I had a slow connection I deliberately tried to avoid Steam, only to buy a disc online and find when it turns up it required Steam, and in some cases I would install the game in anticipation only to find I had to wait a day for the update to complete.

    Plus, as I am avoiding a shop that has high street rents to cover, I would expect the game to ALWAYS be cheaper on steam, they save on printing, pressing and distribution, but no, as I said earlier, Black Ops 1, nearly 3 years old is still £40, blockbuster game or not, a 3 year old game should not cost as much as a new release.

    Sure the argument is there are loads of cheap games on Steam, but I don’t want the cheap indies, I want the mainstream and I shouldn’t have to pay more or the same as a shop, as well as unlike 10 years ago when I could trade or swap my game, I’m now stuck with it for life.

  • Javier Villegas

    if i take your account does it let me play the game and the builds

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