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If only it drove as good as it looks. Please don’t flame me guys. I’ve been a member since day one. I still have lots of hope for this game. But so far, the graphics to physics ratio is somewhat lacking. It’s just not something I want to drive…yet. Despite the gorgeous graphics, it just doesn’t grab me. Every week I install the new build and think “this time it’s going to feel right”… and every week, I go back to rF2.

Again please don’t flame me for an honest opinion. I’m not a troll and I’m not flaming SMS. It’s just right now, I would rather drive rF2 with 2005 graphics than pCARS with 2012 graphics.

There’s nothing flammable in your post, just the facts. I really hope SMS gets the driving right because those graphics are amazing, the realism is unlike I’ve ever seen in other racing games.

I’m not gonna flame you cause I totally agree. I so want a “pretty” hardcore sim and I also try each new version of the Pcars pre-alpha thinking they might actually start putting in more work on physics than graphics but I drive a lap or two then go back to RF2 or Race07. 

I wont give up on it until the final retail version comes out but right now, my hopes for a graphics intense true sim are with Assetto Corsa.

If C.A.R.S. does not deliver it, we’ll only have GTR 3/Asseto Corsa as hope for simulators with amazing graphics.

I’ll still waiting to see rfactor 2 in person, but neither of those rf2 shots released so far (including promo) are appealing to me. Perhaps most of post-fx effects aren’t available on the beta?

pCARS has always been intended to be ported to lots of platforms, I never expected anything other than this – but I do regret it :(

The graphics in this game are simply stunning, physics need work but it’s getting better every build, i had a lot of problems with my Thrustmaster 430 FFB, with what felt like (reverse FFB) used the G25 Settings and manually programed the pedals and buttons and it’s a massive improvement.

Wish racers would cover more wheels other than  Logitek, the 430 is an excellent wheel i paid £50 for mine because the case had a tiny chip (bargain wheel with some of the smoothest FFB out there, with
metal shifters and pedals, ok it’s only got 270* and not clutch, but i dont want to turn my arms in knots anyway.

Please CARS add more official wheel support, or at least add a mapping guide, i would have deleted this game if i had’nt read an an article on using G25 settings.

I think this game will be huge, can’t wait for final release, and with rF2 and GTR3 comming makes me happy !

They did sort out the F430 wheel but too late to make it to this build. Next week you will see. Until then the Momo profile is probably the best to use as it’s a more similar wheel than a G25

I have both games and I prefer rFactor 2 graphics. I don’t find pCARS graphics enough realistic. Car details are stunning but some track details are poorly done. Many trees are looking awful in pCARS and sunny weather looks broken on some tracks.

rFactor 2 tracks have lots of details and dynamic weather is very nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LViBxW8sB9U&feature=player_embedded#!

Just remember that most tracks have yet to be fully completed. The graphics imo far exceed those of rf2. I think if you could take the graphics from CARS and merge it with the physics of rf2 you’d have one hell of a great simulator.

I saw a huge improvement in drivability in last weeks build as I was having problems with my wheel being far too sensitive. I hope for more improvements.

For a pre-alpha build this has so much potential. I hope SMS can pull it off. Guys go for the hardcore simulator and allow options for the user to peg it back all the way to an arcade style if they want to. I’d thought it was a no brainer to create a product like this then you cover the whole market.

Looking forward to more builds and downloading the latest now.

Am I playing a different game? .. The physics are awesome, you guys who say otherwise are really just trolling idiots. :/

@Ricco

If you even vaguely would have any knowledge about the game development of pCars, you would know, that every content is in an early stage of development.
Also in some weeks, a complete dynamic weather and time of day-feature will be included, which will rF2 look older as it already looks.

Complaining about a game, which is only on half the way of rF2 is pretty ridiculous.

You need to calibrate your wheel ingame, if it is too sensitive.

not really awesome physics….
4 wheel drift in eau rouge? LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTNBJdOaUnU 

It is a pretty ‘Hardcore’ sim right now. Every single one of the pre alpha builds have more than hinted at a real simulation. – Yeah, pit stops and weather are not in yet, but they are coming.

Well why don’t you post a thread in the physics forum and say something? .. Explain why doesn’t feel right, as opposed to moaning here about it? 

Its hardly difficult to post a new thread, is it?

Wow does it really sound that bad in game? There´s more distortion then it is pure sound.. 

I also wish Rivage was that big lol. It would make the corner so much easier then what it really is. 

It sounds more like you have no idea what good physics are. 

Ported to other platforms, AS A SIM!? … So you think by it being on  ’consoles’ that it must be an arcade game, Jesus.

I have gtl gtr 2 race 07 rf 1 and all this games i have great fps on in rf2 my pc struggle with lower fps and also it stuttering whan other drivers crasch online in a race but beta and hope they fix this later i have never test use pCARS rellay wanna now how the fps work in that game if it is any meaning to get that game for a test

I really like Project CARS now, the cars feel slightly different from other sims, but I think they are more real. The race driver Ben Collins drove many many laps with the Le Mans car and the SMS physics guys adjusted the car to Bens recommendations.

Some people may think the physics seem SHIFTish, but in fact they are completely different.
It is easier to begin your driving experience in CARS for sure (as Ben Collins said driving a race car isn’t that difficult when driving slower), but if you want to squeeze everything out of a car to get a good lap time it is exactly as difficult as in rFactor and other sims.

Not only in eau rouge imo, the car is floating over the track in every corners!

 Alex, thats a fair point about posting in the physics forum of WMD.   But just a couple of things…

1) How do you know he hasn’t done so already ?
2) His post was hardly ‘moaning’.  He was just stating his opinion and, more that some can manage, he did it in an unprovocative way.

Go easy will ya.

99,9% of sim drivers, included real drivers, don’t know what good physics in a game look like. Included you. Don’t try to troll with something you don’t have a clue about yourself.

How many times am I going to have to read a post like this and think how easy it would have been to say the exact same thing in a less provocative manner.
It’s almost like some people just can’t help themselves.

Let me try (I corrected some of the English too, hope you don’t mind)….

“@Ricco

Don’t forget that all the content is in an
early stage of development.
Also in some weeks, a complete dynamic
weather and time of day-feature will be included, which will make rF2 look
older than it already looks.

Complaining about a game, which is only on half the way developed compared to rF2 isn’t really fair. “.

Also ronny, I do wonder how it is you seem to know that the dynamic weather WILL look better. Surely that is an unknown at this point and when it happens will end up being a matter of opinion.

Yep I tried a lot of the settings but could never get it the way I wanted it. It seemed that the car was on a knife edge. When I turned the wheel ever so slightly the car seemed to turn more than the input I was putting in. Try to correct it and before you knew it the car was facing the other way. This has been improved I can now drive the Caterham but other cars like the Gumpert and the single seaters still seem to be on this knife edge.

 I don’t complain, I compare. Just to let know that not every one find pCARS graphics so amazing and rFactor 2 less good.

And rFactor 2 is not finished either.

Don’t worry I have learned on VirtualR how to deal with nasty comments without loosing my temper. ;)

Where was the 4 wheel drift? .. I don’t see any. And remember the physics are constantly WIP.

Not floating at all, looks easily as good as iRacing.

Sounds are very WIP as well. – as are the tracks.

 Well done! Posting a video with a car that isn’t even in alpha stage. The physics and audio for that car are mere placeholders. The track is also not even close to finished and for that matter the physics, graphics or anything in this sim is final. The way I see it – it is going in the right direction with every build (and with a lot of time till the final version) it is becoming what a lot of ppl seem to fear -  better than their favorite sim in every way!

The fastest way of driving a race car through a corner is slightly sliding its four wheels, it’s called yaw angle.

Source: http://www.bentleypublishers.com/automotive-reference/engineering-and-motorsports/going-faster-.html

In your opinion pCARS graphics are far superior to rFactor 2.

In my opinion it’s the opposite.

Out of interest – What wheel do you have? :)

I know, that it will look better, because registered users can see the process of the work with dev-videos ;)

Logitech G25.

But you didn´t learn how to stop trolling. Everytime a pCARS-article appears, you are one of those complaining about every bit of the game.

And no, you are not comparing, you are complaining.

FFB needs serious help on ferrari f430 wheel. Sounds are still under par.

WIP?
Yes, thats generally the idea with a pre-alpha.

thanks for the tip

for a game that is pre-alpha, this is just incredible. I wonder how good this game will be at beta stage. Let alone when ready to ship. If they don’t commit any colossal mistake that is. Which would be pretty weird, since – despite what everyone say – Shift series was a very good game. Especially because the arcade pedigree from Need For Speed.

Really? you must confuse me with someone else. I did very few negative comments about pCARS and I am often defending it. See my post above about drifting.

I don’t complain, I express my opinion. If you don’t like it, so be it.

I prefer rFactor 2 graphics and I have very objective reasons to do it.

Cheers

You port it to consoles to get lots of people to buy it, but usually hardcore sims don’t attract a lot of drivers…

I could be proven wrong, but when I hear it’s being released for the next Wii console it makes me think a dose of skepticism is worth it for now.

…this kind of floating doesn’t even exist in real life. And what you said applies to cars with low downforce, modern F1 can’t 4 wheel drift anymore due to downforce loss when sideways.

But yes you must defend the bad physics cause you’re a blind fanboy.

So getting understeer and oversteer at the same time makes any sense to you? Well… if it does then you don’t know one thing about physics.
You would never float like this in iRacing either now with the NTM, the killed the floating, so you’re just wrong.
PS: Can you tell your dog (Tony) to stop following you everywhere?

 Even F1 are faster at slip angle in corners but this angle is small.

 Floating and drifting is not the same thing my friend.

Thank you, captain obvious.

ORLY?

 You see we can agree. No need to use harsh words.

Yeah we can kind of agree, and sorry for the aggressiveness.
But I really think 4 wheel drifts are only exist before the apex nowadays, or are so subtle you don’t even call that a 4 wheel drift anymore, I have never seen a f1 car 4 wheel drift past the apex like it does in the video. IMO it should either oversteer and require some wheel correction or understeer and run wide and not take any positive yaw.
This actually reminds me a bit of how the iracing OTM drives.

 The only thing holding back hardcore games from the wii is the developers, even the last/this gen Wii.

The Wii U looks to have the power to run anything as good and better than the Xbox 360/PS3. It should be the developers decision to dumb the game down for the respective market/platform, anything else is just being lazy or cheap IMO, just like those cheap PC ports that seem to be the current trend.

I don’t believe SMS would be do stupid as to dumb this game down for consoles and then directly port the dumbed down version back to PC, above all it would be wasted development time and wasted money.

I still can’t enjoy running laps on this yet.  Tried the Formula A and the cars seems way to “floaty”.  I turn the wheel a little and the car sort of snaps in that direction, it makes it very difficult to drive smoothly, even at low speeds.
Also, I can’t seem to power oversteer even if I try.  You would think if you have full throttle coming off a corner on the curbs that the car would snap around(or at least oversteer a little) like in other sims, but it’s completed planted.

Have you made sure to calibrate your wheel properly, it’s essential with the new build for the steering lock detection to work.

I just spend a good hour hot lapping in the Formula A last night and nothing you describe sounds like my experience…at all.

I really think these problems are rooted in the wrong controller settings. 

Oh, I have no doubt that it is coming from my controller settings/FFB, but nothing I try gets rid of the FFB “deadzone” I have.  I can turn the wheel ~5-10 degrees before I get any resistance from the FFB.  The handling of the car itself doesn’t seem all bad, just the feeling I get through my FFB.

 Oh, I’m not saying it’s proof, I just haven’t seen a hardcore sim for consoles yet, at least not one that wasn’t low budget. They may surprise me, I’m just keeping my skepticism handy for now.

What wheel do you use? 
Don’t judge the cars on the Formula A. It’s only just been added and I don’t think Doug has had much time to tune its physics yet. 

There’s definite power-oversteer in there. 
I haven’t tried the Formula A yet but that may just be the exception because it’s the newest addition and very unfinished.

Use the Logitech Momo preset for now, should work better. The problems with your wheel are fixed in the next build.

You guys really don’t get the whole “the game is still in development” do you? Formula A is the newest car to be added so its physics are very early WIP.
And I just watched the video. I see no drift at Eau Rouge? Can you tell me at what time in the video he drifted because I don’t feel like watching it all.

You sound like an annoying troll. I see no floating.

Ok I actually just watched the video and I’m sorry but you guys are talking utter shit. My guess is peicheck just posted to be an annoying troll and you guys went on without even watching the video.
You all got trolled.

The car does not slide at any point in the video. Seriously WTF guys?

I have already posted on WMD forums asking for help with my DFGT, no luck so far.

And I have driven the Formula A a little more and have gotten it to power oversteer, but it still feels like it should be much easier to spin than it is.  I know this is a WIP, so I’m not complaining or anything, just expressing my opinion thus far.

its better …thanks

 Race Pro on Xbox 360? Basically just a port of Sim Bin’s Race series.

What they are planning to do is develop the game for PC initially and then port it to consoles… so at the very least, the PC version will not be watered down.

I have the same sort of problem on straight lines.. the car feels like floating and aims one side or another even if I aim straight infront with my G27.. it feels loose so when approaching the side of the track before a fast corner I end up touching the grass half the time. I always hope the next build will fix it but I’m still waiting. I tried for hours by tweaking one way of another it’s always there. The only way I was able to reduce this loose effect is to put much damping in the control setting. Could someone who doesn’t have any problem on straights be kind enough to post his G27 settings? That would be appreciated.

Unfortunately, the FFB seems to have gone several steps backward over the last few weeks, and it wasn’t particularly good at its best.  If they can get that sorted, and presumably they will sooner or later (they have to or the whole exercise is pointless), CARS could be up there with the best.

Unfortunately, the FFB seems to have gone several steps backward over
the last few weeks, and it wasn’t particularly good at its best.  If
they can get that sorted, and presumably they will sooner or later (they
have to or the whole exercise is pointless), CARS could be up there
with the best.

One thing that helps when driving pCARS is to dial off the head and world movements. I don;t like them in any sim and here they contribute to the overall feeling of “disconnect”.

I honestly hope they are going to work on the physics more and they certainly have improved a lot over their first release. If SHIFT2 drove like this, I would actually play it.
Still, there is just a feeling of not being connected. After a lap or two, any good sim, from GTR2 to iRacing, I forget what I am driving and just try to be as fast as I can. Not this one.

However, I can tell they are working hard at it. The last built, the delay was back, this new version is gone again. So things are happening. I think the developers should drive NKpro for 15 minutes every day just to give them a benchmark to shoot for.

“[...] I honestly hope they are going to work on the physics more [...]”
The physics team is working on it all the time, so be sure there is no time wasted.
Also they didn’t work on rendering for several weeks, all powers are concentrated to make CARS an even better Sim.

Edit: wanted to add that i thinks it’s amazing how advanced they are after that short time period.

I still don’t see any floating. Can you tell us exactly when floating is happening? .. not someone turning in late, or running wide, or having perfectly normal oversteer.

I’m not ‘Just wrong.’ I think your just trying to troll, because if you have tried CARS then you know the physics are really good. (And also WIP)

and no, I can’t tell Tony to stop liking my posts. If he likes them he can click them!

You can say that again

Hmm, I wasn’t being literal…

In the last month, they didn´t do anything else than working hard on the physics and FFB besides of adding and developing some content and they´ve done an excellent job so far. With build 149 it feels really good. And if they succeed in fixing the missing strenght and feedback around the center area, this floating feeling will disappear and pCARS will be an awesome sim.

I really don´t know, why everbody always sais, that they should work more on physics. Before claiming those things, people should follow the dev forum to see, what they do over the weeks.

FFB in build 149 is better than ever. If it doesn´t work with you, you have wrong configurations or didn´t delete your old profile.

I agree with you. The grip level and limits of the Formula A and B should be much sharper and oversteering should happen much faster or rather should be harder to catch.

 LOL

 Maybe different people are getting different feelings in-game because of different wheels and different settings.
Why don’t those NOT having any issues, post their wheel settings ?  Maybe it will help other out.  Just a thought.

My wheel settings – On a DFGT

Rotation – 900
FFB Effects strength – 100
Spring Effect – 0
Damper Effect – 0
Centering spring force – 0
Allow game to adjust settings – ticked.

Ingame – Calibrate the wheel properly.
FFB – 100%
Damper effect strenth – 0

Feels completely fine to me :)

Things that also help, lots.

World Movement – 100%
GForce effect – 30%

And no deadzone at all on anything :)

Setting FFB to 100 seems to help a bit, but there is no way I’d be able to play like that.  It’s way to strong.

I also noticed last time I played, the problem is there even when my car is stationary.  I can freely wobble the wheel back and forth up to ~10 degrees with little to no resistance on the wheel.  It’s something that I don’t get with any other sim.

The Asano X4 (equivalent to Audi DTM) is the best example of what pCARS is capable of physics wise, it really relates to handling I see on TV when I watch the real DTM cars race. My only issue with pCARS are the curbs right now but I am sure that will get improved. For some reason all sims suck at curb physic effects, they make them much harder to drive then IRL.

 Pretty much what I have except my wheel is calibrated to 360 because I think none of those cars in real life are driven when you have to cross hands to turn the wheel. Possible exception being the Catheram. 
But certainly the open wheelers don’t.  Drivers like to keep their hands on the wheel through a turn :)  

Anyway I’m assuming pCARS works just as well with my profiler set to 360, my wheel set to 360 (on the led settings (Fanatec)) and the in-game wheel properly calibrated to 360.

For me the cars are still twitchy and the steering feels non-linear.   I have to crank the steering ratio right down to minimise the effect.   Atom is the worst.

I think some of the cars have more than 360 degrees of lock for use in the pit lane coming out of the garage. Letting the game tweak my lock for me, I’ve never had to turn the wheel more than about 135 degrees either way on a flying lap. Only when leaving the garage.

hey thanks guys for sharing these infos.. I had exactly the same settings except for world movement and Gforce effects set to default values. I tried many degrees with the G27 but maybe not as low as 360.. so I’m gonna check this out next time I’ll log on.

I’m digging this build for sure!! The auto steering lock/ratio function is much needed. It makes jumping from car to car much quicker though also more challenging. It’s difficult to go from the Atom V8 to the Formula A/B. You get used to going through Silverstone’s Copse in 4th and then hop in a Formula car and you can make it through with just a slight lift.

FFB feels strong and competent. Liking the progress for sure

 In my opinion, the curbs are not hard enough to drive. You can take a lot of curbs without big punishment in car behaviour atm. Take a Formula A or B and ride curbs at Bologna….it is still too forgivable.

WOW!!!! after this build.man these cars rock!!! its now on the right track!! starting to feel like a SIM! and not a console or arcardish type game GREAT WORK!!! the most realistic sim to date! very very impressive graphics surpass all other mod when it comes to graphics! 100% got my vote! love how the cars responce to ffb and for sure alot more controllable..never had so much fun with this game until build149 looking forward for next weeks build more improvements …cant wait for mulitiplayer

So you are saying they will design the track one way and then re-design it later? 

Because the layout is incredibly wrong in all kinds of ways. 

The layout is totally fine, Spa is no where near finished.

It sounds like you have sensitivity too high – make sure it is at 50% :)

I do agree that some of the steering locks are a bit too low at default – only way to change that right now is in the car setup.

I think my steering sensitiviy is either 20% or 0%.  Can’t remember which atm because Ive used both.   I`ll check it later when I get a moment.

Sixteen exclamations marks.. ” most realistic sim to date “.. hm Ive been playing again NKP and LFS yesterday and I can assure you there is still work to be done my friend. It “Looks” amazing and there are lots of promising things but calling it the most realistic without impartiality is why there are so much hate on these sim forums.. imho.

 I have been a sim racer for ages. Started out with revs+ on Commodore 64 (lol!) and been into it ever since….untill rFactor started to feel old, and doing something that long, i started to feel a bit bored to the genre in general. So i decided that from now on i’ll be on vacation from racing sims untill something fresh appears. Beeing on this “vacation” i decided to try out online fps and other genre games outside simulation world.
Well, at the age of 38 online fps was new, challenging and refreshing to say at least!! And the most thing that cought my attention was how freakin good these games looked. I then sweared that untill racing sims look like this, this vacation continues.

AND NOW you guys have got my hopes up! This looks amazing!!!!! But beeing a hardcore simmer, the first thing that popped into my mind seeing this, was “what about the physics??”
Like many hc sim guys here has pointed out, the physics NEED to evolve A LOT!
This game could be it. The sim that ends my sim vacation, so PLEASE do work on the physics and dont be ashamed to use competitors like rF2 or iRacing as evaluation for your own work. They are the kings of the hill when it comes to simulation of physics, and to beat/meet them you need to study your “enemy” period.

Don’t get your hopes up. SMS doesn’t want to hear anything about their competitors. In fact, even if you provide solid, constructive feedback, if it goes against what Ben Collins says, you are mocked and told to stop it.

If you continue, you are banned.

It’s a shame really. Ian Bell has drawn a line in the sand: Either you’re on board and trust them completely, or you’re out the door.

Just over the past week, I’ve seen good, quality members either banned or leave on their own accord – disgusted with the attitude. I’m not talking about trolls. I’m talking about good, quality members who’ve been there since the beginning.

It’s not a community project. It’s take what we give you and like it.

I’m almost ready to leave myself.

Dont ever invest in this.

I was banned for simply passing comment about FFB and steering.

No explanation, no feedback, no reason why, just a ban.

Steer well clear, (the steering part will certainly feel better than it does in this game as that is trully shite)

The ending of my last post “study your enemy” should be a standart in bisnes these days. I have hard time believing that this does not happen in this case.The matter is how much of study is taken place and how much they let that influence their work. And that is THE factor here. Sadly it seems that the study of competition does not have the influence we had hoped for, so this leads to a conclusion that a hc sim is not been build here. The target audience seems to be a semi-sim/semi-game racer, and we the hardcore sim enthusiasts are left with the “ugly”, but realistic choices ;)

That said, i think bisnes wise that is a short term plan to make a quick buck. See “Richard Burns Rally” is ancient, but still the ONLY real rally-sim considered by hc simmers. One with bisnes intelligence could still cash on that by simply releasing new official content to the game.
And i personally think that to make this project not a real sim is a opportunity missed, and also income lost.

There is an a hole to be filled in the racing sim world, or actually a mountain top to conquer, but it seems that we hc simmers have to wait for the ones who have a clear vision of conquering that top of the mountain, and a persintent enough to actually achieve the goal.

Voodooman out.