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Looks very nice. Somebody knows anything about system requirements??

For now in its alpha state ? The best PC you can get…

It’s very power hungry for the moment as the optimization will come in much later in the development process.

Why not give it a try while the € still exists ? ;)

Thank you for your quick response.

The screenshots look awesome and i really would like to give it a try. I was just asking, because i`ve just a notebook with 2.4Ghz Intel Pentium Dual Core and a geforce 210M build in. rfactor and GTR2 are working fantasticly, but i`m really getting into trouble with NFS Shift2 Unleashed. It works like a crap of sh** on my Notebook.

So, i have to overthink it (i`m a student and 10  are round about 4 time lunch at my university canteen or 10x coffee ;-) ) but i will follow the project in any case!

Thanks
Thomas

I look forward to trying the new ffb at Silverstone when the monthly build comes out :).

Don’t do it… I have a better notebook and I asked my mate to try it in my PC (he has a license) and it just stuttered very bad, introducing a lot of input lag… I messed with the settings, btw, and I’m pretty comfortable with graphics programming so I know where to shoot ;) 

It looks awesome. I hope I could also try them.

I can run pCars in DX11 at 1280×1024 at 30-50fps on my “old” pc.. my spec AMD Athlon II X3 435 3.3 ghz, 4 Mb Ram, Win 7 32, Geforce GT240. I run pCars on all high, ultra for the car, med reflection, low shadow detail, med circuit, no AA.. and the game still looks absolutely gorgeous and the ffb is full of potential.. will add screenshot in a moment

Playing with laptop makes no sense at the moment.

I’m a little disconcerted to read things like ”Dropped main grip / increased sliding grip” and “tyres base grip vs sliding grip amounts”. This sounds a little like fudging rather than using any sort of empirical evidence.I know tyres are something of a dark art and that there don’t exist (to a large degree) simple, known parameters to just plug into a tyre model, but still, I’m hoping there’s something a little more scientific going on than just changing values to feel.Is this just the wording of the release, or is this how it is being done?

The tyre changes are being driven by extensive feedback from real-world racing drivers, it’s less about making it feel like players expect and more about making it feel like the real car to people who’ve driven it. As you say, tyres are very hard to quantify, so there will always be tweaks to make them feel right that may in themselves show a better way to simulate the tyre.

Game looks great but I was slightly disappointed when I found out it controls just like Shift 2. It’s hard to explain but the cars just feel odd..like they whobble side to side.

It’s probably a set-up problem for the most powerful cars at high speed (the LM and the Gumpert).

Some cars don’t seem to have this problem, like the racers, the Ariel or the Asano X4.

Thanks. I’ll try them out tonight.

If it is that unplayable, it might not be worth it indeed… Thanks for pointing it out.

If NFS2U runs like crap on your system, chances are it’s going to be MUCH worse on C.A.R.S. as it’s the new evolution of the SMS engine in non optimized stage.

You’re not losing to much for now, as content is still scarse… If money is tight for you, it’s not worth an upgrade of your machine. Better wait till you get a new PC then… 
I have a powerful PC and have invested in pCARS but honestly don’t think it’s polished enough to “play” it. I enjoy running the new build from time to time to see how far they went since last time, but I rather drive in other, finished games that give me full support for my cockpit.

I guess that’s what happens when you can actually see what the dev’s are doing on a day to day basis. It would be great if you could plug in the stat’s of the car and tyres and like magic its exactly how it is in real life. Unfortunately the physics and tyre models of all sims are about compromises. 

This sort of “fudging” happens with every single sim though……and will continue to happen until someone can come up with the perfect tyre model.

No PC-sim engine works just with entering real parameters (like in science simulations)…not iRacing, not rFactor2, not GTR3, not pCARS.

Manual tweaking is a general process to get the best results. You never noticed that, because no developer ever told you ;)

Forget your ideological “my sim is better, because it uses real world data”-argument, because it just isn´t true.

This is so true; I purchased a Miata and started racing in the SCCA (well two races and license school) and have done maybe 500+ miles at Barber (in Alabama) and Nelson Ledges in my Miata.  I can tell you one thing for sure guys…. driving a real Miata compared to the one in my iRacing is like Night and Day! 

My real life Miata is so much easier to drive and the tires stick much better than most could image.  They just stick… shaved tires not even race slicks!.  To top it off… my real Miata is not even well setup yet.  Needs proper weight balancing, chassis adjustments, and new tires, as I’ve yet to run on Brand New Rubber.

Folks in the SIM world think harder is real… but I’m here to tell you on most cars on most tracks excluding the GT2/GT Prototype levels… it is not the case.

I see folks driving Spec Fords and open wheelers very easily; not saying it doesn’t get harder as you push the limits… but in iRacing a slight twitch and your a goner!

Wow, quite a lot of assumptions about what I know/think there… It’s nice to see it’s possible to have a conversation on here without people jumping to conclusions and assuming someone knows nothing about the subject.

I’m quite familiar with the limitations of current tyre models, specifically at higher slip angles. I’m also all too aware of the misguided notion that harder=more realistic, indeed most (all?) sims are too hard to drive in certain circumstances. This is usually once the peak slip angles are reached. Whilst many tyre models are quite good up until this point, there is often too drastic a drop off in grip (“over the cliff” is the oft-used phrase) past this point, and it seems this area is what these changes are addressing.

I have heard some of Ben Collins’ feedback in the forums and am encouraged by what I see. Feedback from “real world drivers” in itself means absolutely nothing; sims and “sims” alike have been using this line for many, many years, and you only need to look at the quality and realism of many of these titles to see that it guarantees little more than a marketing line. Collins’ feedback seems to be from someone who understands both the real world and also simulations, and as I say, I’m encouraged by what I have read.

Having said that, for all the transparency in the case of pCARS’ development, when it comes down the to the nuts and bolts it is still behind closed doors. I hope Collins’ feedback is being used to prompt further investigation into why the problems that exist do and how to fix (in part if not completely) them by refining the model, and not just changing numbers to get a ball-park “feel”.

Only a tiny fraction of people who drive this or that car in a sim have real world experience that has much relevance in judging their accuracy, and I myself am certainly not one of them. For this reason I, like many people, have to put a lot of faith in the developers that things are being implemented in as realistic a way as is possible. Whilst you don’t need hands on experience in the real world to tell if many things are wrong (physics are physics, after all), that doesn’t mean it is so easy to know if something is right.

In terms of obtaining “real” tyre data (I’m talking experimental data from tyres on test rigs), past the point of peak slip I am led to understand it is very hard to obtain real values to plug into a sim. I am also more than aware that all sims require varying degrees of tweaking beyond entering raw data. Don’t get me wrong, a well tuned model based on good feedback is better than a bad one built on accurate numbers; but with the advances in both the understanding of tyre dynamics and the tyre models themselves, I can’t help but fall into the camp that prefers to see as much real-world data plugged into a sim as possible before changes are made based on subjective opinions of “feel”, no matter whose they are.

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They did this because the old Lotus F1 cars had too much grip and when you lose grip it just goes off a cliff. This was adjusted to have a more realistic amount of grip in general but when you lose the back end it’s catchable (unless you really chuck it in or mash the throttle).

The new build is great.

Physics are really shitty, just like Shift. 
Fortunately, this year goes a lot more interesting games than pCARS

Nice constructive post. Kudos.

Would you have played it, you would know, that it is far better thn Shift.

No it’s not. I m testing it.

Come on, dude. You are lying. Nearly everybody else is saying the opposite.

9 people 
who have read my message feel similarly so it’s your sentence is not true.