Nürburgring Nordschleife – Forza 5 vs rFactor 2

Turn 10 recently released their laser-scanned version of the Nürburgring Nordschleife for Forza Motorsport 5, making the Xbox One title the first game to offer a laser-scanned version of the green hell.

Below is an interesting comparison, showing the 1967 Brabham Formula One car on the ring in both Forza Motorsport 5 as well as rFactor 2.

While the comparison is interesting to check out, it should be kept in mind that the rFactor 2 version is not just not-laser scanned but also an impressive one-man track modding project.

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  • EZehnder

    I usually think that laser scanning isn’t necessary as most tracks are near as makes no difference. Nordschleife is a special case. Not only is it crazy long but we know that the surface undulations, cambers and imperfections are unique. Abu Dhabi? I really don’t care if it’s laser scanned. Nordschleife? Can’t wait to see it properly done in Assetto Corsa.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/OldAgedGamer Steve Bird

      Now that is going to be a mammoth task but I’m sure it will be worth the wait :)

  • Edu Pimentel

    Forza does not impress, because unlike rFactor 2, there are tons of parts on the track that are clearly just place-holders. There are areas where there should be track-side features and those aren’t there. Also, the whole visual experience is a bit lacking, and the track feels empty, but the lighting and the car/driver animations are awesome.
    However….
    rFactor, for as physically correct and realistic as it might me, there are no animations and the driver arms look bland and robotic, as well as there is virtually camera movement, and an artificially looking-lighting that does not inspire.
    Both of these games/sims provide a level of fun & driving competitiveness, but they both have very different areas of expertise… I just wished they’d get together already and produce something awesome…
    PCARS and Asetto Corsa are veering towards that already…

    • osella

      I’m personally glad ISI doesn’t spend time on driver hands animations because that’s the first thing I would turn off. I don’t want to see virtual wheel nor arms.
      Some trackside animations certainly wouldn’t hurt though, but it’s a lot of work for something that’s not absolutely neccessary so…

      • Edu Pimentel

        I understand most sim drivers like clean tracks, clean visuals and clean cockpit view, but the truth is in real racing, you arms do move, you get the sun in your eyes, bugs in your visor, and if it’s a high profile race, you do get banners and helicopters and trackside fodder. To think real racing should be perfectly sterile is to believe people should only listen to classical music, because it’s “clean music”. I for one would really like to have the challenges you’d face in real life, at least the ones that can be recreated. Just an opinion though, maybe it’s not everyone’s boat.

      • David Dominguez

        In simracing I already see my wheel and arms move. I don’t need to see it duplicated in the screen.

      • F1Racer

        And is your screen close enough or your FOV close enough that your dashboard is the correct distance from your racing wheel as the virtual one would be ? Otherwise it just about comes to the same thing.

  • Robert Gödicke

    Forza really does look gorgeous in that video. The engine seems to be quite capable. If rFactor 2 would look like that, damn, I definitely wouldn’t say no. :)

    • nlx1

      It did? I couldn’t make out any details even at supposedly 1080P. The Forza clip was captured at a much lower quality than the rFactor clip.

  • Alan Dallas

    My one and only problem with the rF2 version(and yes, I have it installed) compared to this(FM5 version) and pCARS is the elevation changes. They’re exaggerated. Too steep up and down hill.

    • MatzeLoCal

      Wouldn’t say so.
      When I was driving on the Nordschleife for the first time I was impressed, that the elevation changes are not meet in any sim. It’s much steeper and down hill than the version in GTR2, rFactor or Gran Turismo

    • osella

      How steep hills seem to you depends entirely on your field of view setting. Use FOV of 20 and Spa feels like a mad roller coaster, use FOV 70 and nordschleife will seem flat.

    • 5hitm4k3r666

      Difficult to judge how elevation changes are when you’ve never been to the real place. I’ve been at Spa and somehow Eau Rouge looks alot different when you are actually there than what you get from TV or when you are driving it in a Sim. At the end it looks much more extreme and you will never get the sensation of going through such a corner without the involved g-forces or the compression etc. Same goes for the first turn at Spielberg. It feels much steeper than what you experience in a Sim or on TV.

      Thatswhy it is also difficult to judge elevation changes from onboard cams etc. I’ve never been to the Nords though. Will be interesting to see how Kunos presents the track as they use laser scanning aswell as Turn 10.

      And as Osella said: the FOV tricks you into thinking that tracks are alot different.

      • Alan Dallas

        Well, when I get to try AC’s version and compare all 4 I’ll make my final judgement. If FM5, AC, and pCARS all feel the same but rF2 fan made version still feels too steep then I’ll fiddle with the FOV more. However my vertical FOV is calculated based on my Monitor size and my distance to monitor(the proper way).

  • Silvio

    Forza 5 x 2 rFactor

  • Godo

    rF2 is so good. The sound is really awesome too. It will be perfect for endurance race.

  • TC

    I like Rf2 a lot and i race it almost every day, is my favourite sim along GSC but in terms of graphics, looks nice, but is a veeeeeery outdated sim. On top of that, performace is worst than AC or Pcars.

  • Guest

    FORZA 5- Not a single bumb was given that day

  • XXVIIRACING

    FORZA 5 (Not a single bump was given that day)

  • ftrracingtv

    Cmon ppl don’t bag out the rf2 considering its a 1 man team

  • GOAT

    I cant believe no one said anything about the stupid arrows

  • SKID

    FM5′s version is more authentic, I think – it’s more similar to NS version from GT6. May be GT6′s version is not 100% accurate but for me it’s a standart to compare with it. Waiting for AC’s version…

    • Mar Mar

      Which version is the most accurate? I had quite a lot of fun in GT4 version.

    • Randall Nelson

      Isn’t real life the standard a sim should be compared to? why make the standard a game (which in the past has been known to have major technical limitations with tire physics.)

      If GT is the standard, no wonder nothing else lives up to that standard to you. Nothing else is trying.

  • Franklin Silva

    FM5 was recorded with low resolution,

  • Jorge Araujo

    Boy, how rFactor 2 is ugly these days. It can’t hold a torch to GT6 either. Doubt anyone will agree, but rF2 and FM5 have some strange physics. Neither look or feel any good physics wise.

    On the other hand, for me at least, Project Cars is shaping up to be the best racing game of the current crop. GT6 is incredible good as well. AC has been a bit of a let down so far, with ugly graphics coupled some very interesting potential on lighting and a very much alive physics engine.

    • SamuelKorthof

      GT6 incredible good..? Maybe, if you would forget about thr massive framedrops, no AA, vacuumcleaner etc etc.. PCars the best? If they could get it run on triples without microstutters and framedrops etc, maybe. And AC ugly? Compared to GT6 for instance? If that is the case you have to get new glasses. Just explain yourself because I really dont understand.

      • ___ ɥqp ___

        He’s an idiot who does nowt but complain about stuff. Look at his posts.

      • Jorge Araujo

        “duh he’s an idiot” Screw you, illiterate piece of crap.

      • ___ ɥqp ___

        You seem extremely rattled Mr Man Child!
        Lol!

      • Jorge Araujo

        I don’t have to explain myself to anyone, but I’ll be kind to you.

        AC is ugly right now. Color palette is off, tracks are bland. Cars look good, light have potential but it’s not there yet. Some converted tracks are popping in, they are actually looking better than the original ones.

        GT6 is incredible good physics wise. Just take some time with it without all the PC crowd prejudice against consoles. Street cars handle like they should. Or at least, those I have driven in real life feel spot on in GT6.

        P.Cars improved amazingly in the last few months. Take the MP4-12C around Bathurst for a evening spin in the rain. If you don’t enjoy it, nothing will make you enjoy P.Cars. Physics improved a lot, the frame rate with the -dx11mt flag is way better than what it was. It’s a game that’s sure shaping up to be one of the best right now.

        You don’t have to agree as I don’t have to agree with you. But be respectful to others opinions, and if you don’t have a valid argument like the stupid “yqp” stalking me on these comments just keep it to yourself.

      • ___ ɥqp ___

        “I’ll be kind to you”
        Have you heard yourself 😂

      • F1Racer

        How can you talk about being respectful when it seems the best you can manage is something of the quality of your intitial post.
        And I`ll be kind to you too by warning you to stop insulting people. This time you only lose your posts.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/OldAgedGamer Steve Bird

        What? I’m sorry chap but this is ridiculous. He’s given a valid opinion and getting slammed for it. However, there’s no excuse for calling ‘yqp’ an idiot, just like there’s no excuse for him calling the other guy a “childish boring tedious troll”. Just get the hell on with each other and accept that people will post their opinions. Is there no facility to block peoples posts? If so use it and “Carry On”.

      • F1Racer

        Who are you his lawyer ?
        He has given ‘an’ opinion. It’s validity is up for question.
        If you call this ‘getting slammed’ then I would be understating it to say you have over-dramatised it somewhat.
        This conversation is a week old. I’d say we had ‘got on with it’. And now you come in and want to stir up a week’s old conversation.
        Keep up with the times instead of digging up ancient history.

        Who ISN’T accepting that people will post their opinions ? Do you think I, or anyone else, don’t know what a blog is all about ?

        I dunno what’s put a bee in your bonnet today but I think you need to calm down. And that’s MY opinion ! So deal with it and ‘Carry On’ !

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/OldAgedGamer Steve Bird

        Wow, what an arrogant individual you are, and who are you? I’ve never seen such an autocratic, self righteous moderator in my life. If that’s how you go about as a moderator I think i will pop off elsewhere, like RD where the moderators seem to have a good level of decency. Anyway, I will just loiter from now on as I can’t deal with abusive e-testorone that goes on here.

      • F1Racer

        Maybe you should learn to post with a less provocative attitude then you wouldn’t catch people, who have maybe had a bad day, jump back on you.
        You had a go at everyone who replied to Jorge.
        My last post to you wasn’t moderating – none of my posts in here have been except one to uqp which, if you read it, shows a distinct lack of arrogance. The ones you think are arrogant are me, the VR member. If you feel I broke a posting rule then let me know and I will try to correct it.

        But those were my personal feelings and I expressed them that way because I firstly don’t know why you felt you needed to stir up a week old debate and secondly presumed to tell me what I should and shouldn’t be saying.
        Don’t think that because I am a moderator that I will not express my own personal feelings like any other member of VR would do and don’t assume every post of mine is in a moderating capacity.

        Remember it was you who got onto me in the first place. This is where it lead. Every one of your replies to me had a go at me in some way. So don’t be coming across as a victim here, you had a part to play.

        Lastly, if I was all of the things you describe, the least I would have done was to delete that last post of yours and I certainly wouldn’t have entertained you with an explanation.

      • Bouba

        GT fanboy, I like GT6 but you can’t imagine that this game can have 1200 cars, 6 kind of tires (or more I don’t remember ) and have the physic right for each of them. I feel like if you don’t use the race tires in this game the cars feel on ice. Next time that you want to talk trash on game that are not GT6 there is a website for this GTPlanet, everybody will agree with you there. Here you look like a douch in need of attention

      • vrasuk

        if you’re allowed to call people stupid, i’m allowed to call you an idiot! isn’t this nice.

    • ___ ɥqp ___

      Shurrup you childish boring tedious troll. You post nowt but inflammatory crap.
      Get a life and grow up.

      • Jorge Araujo

        That’s one stupid argument for a discussion. “Your opinions sucks”. Great! At least learn how to write your illiterate imbecile.

        I stand for what I said. rF2 sucks right now, it’s dated and lame. If you like great. But I’ll say whatever I want to say about it. Deal with that.

      • ___ ɥqp ___

        “Learn how to write YOUR Illiterate imbecile”
        Hahaha, it takes one to know one you utter man child.

      • F1Racer

        Rather than make a reply like this which breaks the rules, flag the post and it will be dealt with properly. Otherwise you might end up being the one on the receiving end instead.

      • vrasuk

        but he is right. it’s the main reason i don’t visit this site often anymore. the comments here are unbearable. it has been a decent site with valuable discussions in the comments, but since the “my sim is better than your sim” kindergarten broke out, it became really annyoing and unreadable.

        i would never recommend virtualr to people with newly found interest in sim-racing.

      • F1Racer

        Since it broke out ? It’s always been like this. Not just here but everywhere. A lot of people simply feel their opinion counts for more than other peoples to the point that they feel they have to berate someone with a different opinion.
        There’s a lot of ego in sim-racing circles and not everyone is capable of expressing themselves in an adult or mature manner. VR isn’t the only place that sees this kind of thing. Good luck finding one that doesn’t.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/OldAgedGamer Steve Bird

        I can’t believe your comments. You moan that sim racers don’t come on here because of flame wars and what exactly does your comment above do? Its an abusive post aimed at somebody who just gave their opinion.

      • F1Racer

        So I was right :)

    • F1Racer

      Posts written like this are just annoying. Those “Here’s what I think of these sims, so there!” kind of posts which are likely to provoke a negative reaction.
      Thankfully these are just your opinions because I’d hate to think all that was factual.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/OldAgedGamer Steve Bird

        So he isn’t allowed to voice his opinion or is it just that he disagrees with yours, therefore hes an idiot? All I saw was him voice his opinion only to be slammed by a moderator who should be, when all said and done, be saying what I’ve just said. He likes Project Cars better than RF2 and GT6, well good for him, if that’s what he likes then I feel he is entitled to his own opinon.

      • F1Racer

        How ironic that you should say that because I am also allowed to voice mine.
        I didn’t say he wasn’t allowed his opinion and nor did I call him an idiot.
        He was not ‘slammed by a moderator’ he was told by another member, who happens to be a moderator, that I thought his post was annoying to me, which it is.

        I was not throwing any moderator weight around.
        Yes it does annoy me when people post in order to provoke negative responses. You can see that is what happened too.

        It’s a bit silly to have a go a someone who voiced their opinion by telling them they aren’t letting someone voice theirs. Particularly when you’re wrong.
        If he wasn’t allowed, the post wouldn’t be there.

        Woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or is this the usual you ?

      • Randall Nelson

        To me It sounded more like you were critical of him having the opinion he has, rather then posting your own opinion on the matter.

  • me34567

    I think nothing prevents RF2 from looking the same way engine wise. It’s just a few accents and tweaks here and there. Just a few right art decisions. Like not so pitch black trees and shadows, a bit more reflective asphalt etc.

    All the modern game engines are pretty much similar. Its art priorities and solutions plus proper textures and shader settings what makes good graphics

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