No More Formula One Modding Content on VirtualR

Today’s not a particularly good day for VirtualR as I have to put a major new content restriction in place for the site.

From now on, VirtualR will not be showcasing or hosting any modding content related to Formula One cars or F1-related content, all past postings featuring such content have been removed from VirtualR.

Exceptions will only be made for Formula One cars & content that are part of officially-released titles which have the appropriate licenses.

As you have probably guessed correctly by now, this action is taken due request from the license owners (Formula One World Championship Limited). Needless to say, I can’t and won’t take any risks in this matter, so the above rule will be enforced with absolutely no exceptions. 

I’m publicizing this not only to inform my readers of the new policy and explain the absence of certain content in the future, I think it’s also a useful heads-up to the sim racing scene as a whole.

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  • Danfilm007

    Sad days for VirtualR, sad days indeed.

    • Alceste Delacour

      Maybe more people will learn to appreciate other series actually based on competition rather than gimmicks.

      • F1Racer

        Well this announcement sure seems to be bring the ‘other series’ fans out of the woodwork to knock F1.

        This maybe does have something to do with Codemasters if I was to guess. F1-2014 isn’t too far away for them and from a sim-racers point of view I don’t think they’re doing the best job with the licence. So mods are a threat to them and every dollar counts as always.
        Take CM out of the picture and I don’t think you can say the mods are a threat to anything. Apart from the obvious multiple copyright and trademark infringements of course but that’s not really a threat.

        Modders are infringing copyright and trademarks all the time but we are all so used to it that it’s not looked upon as a legal issue by many. As we number so little in the scheme of things people may think that the sim-racing community should be immune from such things and given free reign, but it doesn’t work like that unfortunately.

        I am assuming VR might not be the only site affected by this and it is strange for this news to come now. When was the last F1 mod shown here ?

      • Alceste Delacour

        I’m not fond of the electrogizmos in DTM either, even though it’s a kind of racing I like. However, the corporate nature and sterilized communication of F1 is clearly not my cup of tea anyway.

        I hope that seeing this kind of decision, sim racers will shift their interest elsewhere.

        I found the CM games fine on controller, actually. It’s when I made the switch to PC/wheel that I realized how truly dire they are.

        I think there is a big mod series for rF2, but I actually prefer oddball content or even fake series, like in LFS.

      • F1Racer

        I don’t particularly want F1 modders to shift their intrests elsewhere but, imo, if they can’t do a modern F1 mod that isn’t for ‘league’ then what’s the point anyway ?
        I play more offline than I do online so an F1 mod with proper car powers and talent performances (historical) are sort of essential.
        So see mod after mod (F1) flow out using either ripped content or quickly rushed stuff and having Marussia’s be on the front rows in quali and Caterhams finishing in the top 5 while Red Bulls are mid field leaves the whole thing empty.

  • Eduardo

    yup sad day for VirtualR….too bad for then, that’s why they (Formula1) are loosing fans every single day.

  • Marcus Souza

    I don’t watch F1 anymore. The popularity of the sport is decreasing day after day, and with actions like this they will loose more and more fans.

    • Nicolas Grignon

      same… the old time is gone FOREVER, now it’s just business.

      • punkfest2000

        Terrible to say, but I wonder once Bernie knocks off will it be a good thing for F1?

    • GamerMuscle

      I still watch it out of habit but its been a bit of a joke for the last 5 or so years.

      I mostly watch it for the GP2 now which is far more entertaining to watch than F1

    • Pajor Ádám

      I still watch F1 but maybe because I did since 1995. But my enthusiasm toward F1 is very low at this moment and as I watch other series like AutoGP, GP2, IndyCar, etc…, I just realise how good those series are compared to the sport what I loved back then… :(

  • Silvio

    bad move
    bad move

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    Wow…

  • Skytrill

    Sadly, I’m sure more and more car constructors will have the same
    approach to block modded content in the future. Let’s face it, as gaming
    popularity grows, they see a new way to sell their image so they put a
    price on virtual stuffs as well. Money talks, and passionate modders
    will have more and more restriction. You think it couldn’t get worst?
    Now wait until modded tracks are forbidden as well.

    • Sh

      Actually many car constructors are doing so for years, not mentioning about Porsche(RUF)/Ferrari issue. Honda don’t want their road cars to be released on games staged on streets, especially arcade style games for years, although they are not as strict as others.

      And ripping is still a serious issue. For your reference, Nur (rf2) was taken down (although for ripped content) and causing Simbin to re-release the modding guildline. Although I am pro-anti-ripping, but I will foresee more measures or game structure change to bar any third-party content putting into their game as anti-ripping too.

  • Glenn Briden

    Is it such a sad day really They are no longer having anything to do with a greedy useless sport that based on failing numbers is no longer worthy of us developing content for anyways I say good Bye and well don’t let the door hit you in the @@@ on the way out.

  • GamerMuscle

    Some businesses need to get with the times..

    Incredible that they don’t see the benefit of basic exposure and the passion that F1 mods produce.

    Just think how many sim-racers/gamers would not care about F1 cars or even have seen certain brands if they were not in games or in mods.

    Its also a shame that small content producers simply cannot fight things when they are in the right.

    I think next F1 should target children building F1 cars out of lego its the only logical thing to do.

  • Nicolas Grignon

    as usual with corporate greed, it has NO limits….

  • Paulfrompye

    Formula 1 , just how many other Racing Championships are better , BTCC , WRC , DTM , i could go on !
    And so could you!

  • PeriSoft

    Well, this will certainly do wonders for F1’s popularity.

    I wonder how Formula Oney a mod has to be before it’s Formula Oney enough to fall foul of the rules – obviously if someone makes a mod with generic open wheel cars that are all made to the same spec and use arcade rubber-band tricks to pass one another then… oh, wait… never mind…

  • Stuart Phillips

    This announcement is not about being a fan or not of F1!!!!!!!!!!

  • FatnSlo

    Just one more reason to no longer watch the most boring racing on earth.

    • F1Racer

      So you missed Bahrain then ?

      • Marcus Reynolds

        That was probably one of the best races I have seen in the 30+ years I have been watching, epic was an understatement.

      • F1Racer

        It was tense wasn’t it ? :) I’ve been watching F1 since the late 70’s and Im sure I remember seeing it on my black and white portable TV and hearing the names Hunt and Villeneuve in those years.
        I mainly remember it from ’85/’86 on which is when I watched it more regular whenever it was on TV.

        Bahrain was certainly one of the best races in recent memory despite two cars sailing off into the distance.

      • Marcus Reynolds

        Same era I really remember tbh, Mansell etc, I only have vague recollections from the late 70’s early 80’s :(

        Man we have seen some truly awesome racing over the years huh, imagine if we had been born another 15 years earlier, wow…I would have loved to see the mid 60s through the 70’s properly.

      • F1Racer

        But then we would have missed out on the growth of racing sims :) I’m quite happy to be born when I was and be able to use video archives :)
        But yeah I know what you mean. It was dangerous and somewhat ignorant times back then.
        Even today it freaks me out how close fans are to rally cars as they sweep through. That’s nuts!

  • Gerardo

    A BAD new without sound…

  • Pajor Ádám

    So they are killing F1 contents as F1 is killing itself…

  • Rantam

    Bad news. That’s not going to increase F1 popularity for sure.

    Nothing new under the sun, on any case..

  • Rlee

    Who’s in charge of that stupid series? They should take promotion anywhere they can get it. You don’t see NASCAR doing this stupid crap.

    • F1Racer

      Maybe outside of America, any NASCAR promotion is good promotion.
      Besides you cannot compare NASCAR to F1 when it comes to finances or popularity.

      • Rlee

        I’m not sure what finances has to do with attacking gamers for making non-commercial videos promoting the series, but if you want to use this as an opportunity to smear American racing with your elitist attitude, knock yourself out.

      • F1Racer

        Watch your attitude ! I never asked for that or deserved it with my comment.

        Finances are everything. F1 is a big money business and they hold on dear to their rights/copyrights and trademarks.
        You need proper licences to do anything regarding F1 from producing a mod, to a t-shirt or a full on game. Be sure CM paid a LOT for theirs so don’t want their sales affected by the likes of our little community.
        It’s how it works in F1 and has done for a long time.
        It’s corporate greed and I don’t think NASCAR leans so much that way so I am far from smearing your beloved series. When I do get to see it I find NASCAR exciting to watch and I love how someone a lap down can still go on to win a race. The fact that they all drive in one direction for the most part doesn’t bother me that much. That’s what NASCAR is all about. It’s more fan-friendly than F1 will ever be. It has a much better approach to what sport is than F1. In fact even though I am an F1 can I think if could learn a lot of lessons from NASCAR when it comes to producing entertainment and being more involved with the fans.
        So I hope that shows that I said NOTHING to smear NASCAR and nor do I have an elitist attitude.
        But even if I didn’t like NASCAR, that does not make someone elitist.

  • David Wright

    Lets get realistic. F1 has hundreds of millions of viewers. Official F1 games sell in the millions. F1 mods are downloaded by tens of thousands.

    Can’t see this having any effect on F1 popularity. Can’t understand why a relatively tiny number of downloads poses any threat. Can’t understand why they are doing this now.

  • Ian Hare

    Oh well, they will coming after all of us who have downloaded mods in the past, sign of the times.

    • F1Racer

      I don’t think that is realistic, practical or even viable. Carry on playing :)

  • Markus Ott

    Logical step, I would have done the same. Every mod out there people can play for free means less money for the producers of the official F1 game and that means less money for the F1 license.

    • Birddogg66

      There may be a couple of sides to that idea and all probably ring true to a point and without actual numbers all we can do is Speculate? Mod material may also have a positive impact for the marketing of licensed material by creating or expanding interest in the official brand?

  • TouringProSeries.com

    If FOWCL don’t do this work, then companies will pay less for the exclusive F1 licence.

  • Kabonfaiba

    Unexpected, and sad (both meanings).

  • Alistair

    I’ve been a fan of Formula One since I was four or five years old, I’ll probably always take an interest in the sport but my loyalty is being seriously tested. I currently pay £35 per month to watch races made ‘more entertaining’ to the masses via the introduction of gimmicks such as DRS and double points. At the same time, Sky’s (admittedly excellent) F1 coverage is sponsored by Rolex; nothing says accessibility like £1,000 watches.

    I appreciate that if you want something in life you have to pay for it, and I agree that modders should not be allowed to sell ‘payware’ mods without the appropriate licences or convert licenced content from other games, but this move is surely heavy-handed. In my opinion, if people want to devote hours of their spare time to faithfully recreating the sport they love for the enjoyment of others, they are actively promoting Formula One. The same goes for the removal of YouTube videos due to copyright claims from FOM, I can understand it to an extent but common sense has to prevail somewhere along the line. It isn’t exactly a stretch to imagine somebody watching a few classic clips online then buying the latest Codemasters game, waking up early every other Sunday to watch the races then one day spending £500 during a Grand Prix weekend at Silverstone. If indeed it is all about money, the latter makes more sense versus charging £10 for a DVD containing the same clips.

    I could continue this rant but it’s late and I’m tired, my point is that if Formula One wants to grow its fanbase, it should stop trying to alienate the followers it already has by any means possible.

    • F1Racer

      Not a bad post for someone who’s tired :) I agree with your opinion completely.

  • Michel Forest

    I understand your decision completely. I am sure you did not do this happily…
    Anyway, my interest for F1 has dropped dramatically recently. The new cars are ugly, they sound like crap and the racing isn’t that great anymore. I record the races on my DVR and watch them on fast forward, basically..

    • punkfest2000

      With PVR I watch last 5 minutes of 1st qualifying, skip 2nd qualifying, and then also watch the last 5 minutes of 3rd qualifying.

      For the race I watch the start and maybe the first 8-10 laps before I fall asleep. If I get woken up by some loud annoying commercial I’ll just fast forward to the last 3-5 laps. No way I can sit through a complete race.

  • Birddogg66

    Check your ads I see one for Sim Race F1 Shift Lights Display and warn the creator as so they won’t get in any trouble

  • Chris

    I would not be surprised if Codemasters is involved in that events…
    “Hey our games won’t sell enough because of those mods (which are even better than our game..), let’s ask F1 to so something against it…”

    • Chris Wright

      To be honest, I highly doubt that. This is all about the F1 brand being prepared for sale. I suspect they want to close any silly loopholes, like modding in sims, so that whoever takes over F1 will feel they’re getting their money’s worth. Codemasters is a tiny cog in the wheel, they have no clout with FOM – I’m quite sure that Bernie wears the trousers in that relationship, make no mistake.

  • GutZ

    I understand VR decision about this, afer all a request like this for sure came from someone very “big” so caution is needed however like alot of people already said, is a bad move, it will not bring any benefeits to what ever they doing, mods will continue to be created and distributed so this is not the end of the rail for f1 mods, im free to create a generic f1 model and make a mod out of it or this became forbiden as well?

    • Tiago Guerreiro

      No is not forbidden! If VR continue to showing F1 content from modding community nothing will happen since the laws are clear, the least that could happen would be those same guys who made the request come and tell to remove it, period!! You can create F1 content and distribute without selling it!!!!

      • F1Racer

        It is such a grey area and one we have trawled over many times over the years.
        Is creating a mod just a form of art ? Maybe.
        But regardless of if it’s free or not, if the proliferation of F1 mods affect companies who have proper (expensive) licences to make F1 games then it becomes a different story.
        I don’t know how you can even prove that F1 mods affect sales of commercial F1 games but that’s whole different argument.

  • Jose Uchoa

    Bernie wants to force us to buy Arcade crap!

    • F1Racer

      Are you referring to CM’s official F1 games ? Cos I just imagine you walking out a shop with Burnout Paradise,crying and saying an old 83yr old white haired man who lives far away made you buy it :)

      This doesn’t mean F1 mods are going away, just that they won’t be advertised here. Some of the best ones have already been created and exist out there. I’ve not seen a decent one for a long time (one that is using modern cars and is ‘historical’).
      It’s not that big a deal really. Where was the scratch built historical 2010/2011/2012/2013 mod with decent physics ? If they’re out there then I’ve missed ‘em.

  • Alceste Delacour

    I guess now I have to buy the Codemasters game… lol

    • F1Racer

      Really ? :)

      • Alceste Delacour

        ah ah, no. 3 strikes and you’re out!

      • F1Racer

        I bought two of their games and I kicked myself for falling for the same stuff for a 2nd time. I’ve not bought one since nor will I. Although I did get F1-2013 for free when it was offered on Steam that one brief time. I’ve played it once :)
        I’ve got a good few F1 mods in rF1 which will keep my happy for a while. Thanks to CTDP, MMG and F1-S-R.

      • Alceste Delacour

        Yeah, I paid 6 dollars for 2012 and played about 20 minutes. Shocking.

      • F1Racer

        You lasted 20 minutes ? That must be some kind of endurance record ! :D

      • Alceste Delacour

        5 minutes to get through the menus, 10 minutes to try to set up the wheel, 5 minutes of terrible mushy driving.

      • F1Racer

        ROFL. I just spat out my tea :)

      • Alceste Delacour

        Blimey, the download took longer.

  • Marcus Reynolds

    Does that mean you wont be able to feature games with unlicensed clones of F1 cars as well ? Glad my bits are not in the Eccles vice :S

    • Rlee

      These legal battles have already been fought and as long as the car isn’t 100% identical and no names, branding or sponsorship from the real this is used, they have no legal recourse. That goes for tracks too.

      To give you an example, pCARS has Formula A which is very similar to F1, but just different enough to make it legal.

      • Marcus Reynolds

        I think we are well versed on what we can get away with “legally”, that still doesn’t mean pressure will not be applied if they deem you fair game, no devs or websites can be doing with that kind of hassle….

  • Chris Karsten

    I for that matter do not care that much for F1 to be honest.

    The racing is boring and lacks any real excitement.
    Has shunted al but a few of its good circuit and traded it with those Herman Tilke circuits we get crammed down our throats, 80% of which aren’t that great. Take Abu Dabhi, a track that is particularly boring.

    They also did their fair share of ruining some of my favourite tracks. Hockenheim was changed completely, and ruined in the process. Which is now a track which hast lost its flair.
    They removed the bus stop from spa. Ruined Silverstone by redesigning it, I still get confused whether they are on the main straight or not at times.

    Al in al the machine that is F1 has ruined many things I like.

    By doing this they will further ruin their fan-base. Since from my point of view simracers and modders are the most loyal fans you will ever have!

    • 2tyred

      True, that is why for example i am much preferring BSBK over WSBK and MotoGP – the circuits are a lot better as most of them have avoided Hermann Tilke’s meddling.
      Mind you even chicanes at places like Oulton kind of ruin it a bit :/

      Also the fact that BSBK doesn’t have electronic aids either and has more personality to the riders.

      Mind you, in terms of circuit ruining, you could say that Spa had already been ruined and you could definately say that for Silverstone too (assuming you are talking about the recent developments rather than how it was pre-1990).
      In fact i certainly would say the 60s versions of all 3 of the tracks you mentioned were a lot more interesting.

      If they wanted to make F1 actually not boring then they should give them no downforce at all and rely only on mechanical grip. Also give them hard, treaded, tyres again.
      However even if they did all that, the circuits themselves are so awful now that i don’t even think it would help.

      All the new circuits are so awful, nothing is flowing anymore, even ones that people say are good like Aragon or Circuit of the Americas just seem crap to me, they’re all Stop-Start, straight then hairpin, chicane boring etc etc.

      • Chris Karsten

        Yeah I saw a Clio cup race on Moterland Aragon today, and my god is that track awful and boring.

        I mean they also Ruined the Österreichring and made it into that crapfest that is now the A1 ring.

        F1 is just broken beyond repair at this stage, toreally be honest. I think it isn’t even that insane to predict that F1 will bring itself to it’s knees within the next 6 years. If they don’t stop making deals with silly networks that would have you pay an additional fee on top of your normal TV bill.

        If I lose F1 on BBC, they will have lost me till they return, and I am not alone in this, many race fans in the Netherlands feel the same way about F1.

  • Walter

    I wonder which games are affected by the new rule? I am only asking because I still enjoy Grand Prix Legends. Thanks, WC

    • 2tyred

      Well, most current GPL modding is circuit modding, so that doesn’t even matter with the rule – F1 cannot “own” the circuits from that era.

      In terms of season mods, most of the F1 ones are already released.
      Even if there did happen to be new F1 seasons made, i do not personally think it would be an issue for getting threatening emails.
      This is because GPL focuses on an era that is so old that the licence holders don’t really care about it or see it as a threat.

      When someone (e.g. Codemasters) makes a new F1 game, they don’t make a game focussed on the 1960s, they make a game focussed on the Formula 1 season that is upcoming.

      It is that kind of modding they are trying to stop i imagine,
      Even if they were trying to stop “historical” modding, most general “F1 fanboys” memories only go as far back as the mid-to-late 80s because of obsessions with Senna anyway.
      To the average F1 fan, and makers of games too, anything before that doesn’t matter. Perhaps the Lauda / Hunt / Villeneuve era too as that gets a lot of hype.

      The thing is for those fans, and companies, the want of historical content generally only focusses on single cars for those drivers rather than full season mods. You can see this from the historical DLC that Codemasters produced.

      The thing is Codemasters aren’t even in the same market as sims anyway so it’s not like they are losing market share from it.

      • Walter

        Thanks for the reply! So hopefully we will continue to see GPL modding news here at Virtualr. I am also wondering if the Assetto Corsa Modders will be able to create a full field of cars to compete with Lauda’s F1 car and Jim Clark’s F1 Car?

  • Leny

    If it wasn’t for VirtualR I never know about SUPERB SRM F1 1990 Mod

    What if we miss a new mod?

    • F1Racer

      The internet is a big place :)

    • Mar Mar

      If it wasn’t for VirtualR I would have never known what the hell sim racing is. =)

      My story with sim racing was like this: Saw some videos on YouTube of G25, bought it, found a crappy looking game called rFactor, HAD A BLAST with it, googled for rFactor related stuff, found VirtualR.

  • Nick1

    FOM is also copyright flagging podcast videos featuring the titles of Formula 1 or F1. Looks like they’re dropping the copyright hammer pretty hard

    • F1Racer

      They’ll be sending me an email soon to tell me to change my nickname :)
      Good luck with that FOM :D

    • Chris Wright

      If this isn’t a sign that the sport is being prepared for a sale, I don’t know what is

  • JesseFahrenkrog

    My guess is that someone or some people from Codemasters didn’t like the feedback they were getting from the sim community. I mean, when they would have info posted here for example the comments mainly consisted of something like: “after the last rubbish they(CM) put out there’s no way I’m buying this title,” or all the videos in the world won’t convince me the physics are worth a crap.” etc. etc.. I could be wrong, but I doubt F1, or the FIA has a group of people sitting in a room scouring the internet to protect a company that makes a game based on their racing series. In fact, I’ve got to believe that they rather enjoy all the fanaticism.

    It’s hard to blame Codemasters though. The license is expensive, therefore they need to sell a lot of copies to make the venture viable, and profitable. We sim racers are a niche carved out of massive market. Our expectations are different than those of my 7 year old neighbor boys expectations and he’s got 10 friends to my one that have similar expectations (read requirements) for what we want to drive.

    Fortunately I’ve got all the open wheel mods I care to drive. I will never buy a Codemasters racing game. Not out of spite, but simply because they’re crap to drive. And as for F1 itself-it is what it is. They sound hideous now but look alright IMO. I’m a racing fan in general so I’m sure I’ll keep tuning in.

    • Marc Collins

      Agree completely!

    • Chris Wright

      See my note below. Codemasters is barely a fly in the ointment here.

  • The Dark

    Vr should decide to not advertise CM F1 games either. its not like this community needs them or caters to them. why promote the companys game that makes it harder to enjoying ours?

    • osella

      Yeah I’ve also been wondering why those stupid games are advertised here, not many care about them on this site?

      • Alceste Delacour

        Chris Wright likes them, and he deserves the coverage. :$

      • Chris Wright

        Infamy, they’ve got it infamy :-))) – honestly what an impact that post made all those months ago. Of course there are better games out there, but I still say I’ve played far worse, including earlier versions of the CM F1 franchise. Oh well…

  • Chris Wright

    In a week when we fondly remember Roland and Ayrton and also reflect how far the sport has come in 20 years in terms of safety, how disappointing to note that Formula One is still in the dark ages when it comes to fan engagement.

    While I can understand the need to protect intellectual property, I’m also dismayed that the powers that be can be so small minded as to try and put out the fire of enthusiasm that burns amongst modders.

    There are many great examples of F1 mods that are nothing less than a homage to the sport’s great history. How sad that they are being put to the sword by a company that should instead be spending its time working out how to properly engage with its customer base in the social networking age – something it has failed to do on a spectacular level.

    • F1Racer

      +1 sir !

    • Nicolas Grignon

      it was dead for a long time… screwed by the usual big business greed.

      • Chris Wright

        Indeed so. Everyone should remember that F1’s success was squarely buiit on the free to air TV platform. But all the rights holder is interested is money, and not the interests of fans. Like a lot of other sports, they’ll regret it in ten years’ time when a high percentage of the generation of kids that’s largely being deprived of sport viewing today finds it quite natural to spend their disposable income on other activities.

      • Jim. C

        It’s going down the same road as English football. The majority of televised games require a subscription and fans on low/modest incomes are being priced out of attending/watching games. The strategy makes a lot of money in the short term but potentially disenfranchises a generation of fans in the longer term. It’s sad to see F1 following this business model.

      • Chris Wright

        Exactly correct. I was passionate about heavyweight boxing as a kid, but have probably watched less than five fights in the past 25 years, because the cost of watching it is absurd. My boys have never seen boxing and, hence, it means nothing to them. This is a pattern repeating across several sports and I am dismayed that F1 has essentially turned its back on the business model of free to air that has put it where it is, or should I say was, because TV audience figures, taken as a whole, are now dropping dramatically,

  • Pedro N

    Hey, what about if you say it like this: “Modder X has recently released a new mod based on a popular category that shall not be named”. Harry Potter style.

    • Chris Wright

      Or maybe it could just be called a Grand Prix racing mod? I’m not sure anyone owns the rights to those two words? It doesn’t end there though – then there’s the whole issue of reproducing likenesses of the cars/drivers, whatever.

  • gt3rsr

    I am truly sick of this.

  • http://www.protosimtech.com ProtoSimTech

    While I can certainly understand the decision as far as Formula 1 as a business, what I don’t understand is their uncanny knack for pissing off their fans. As far as I can tell, this hurts not only the brand, but the sport itself.

    It’s hard for me to believe, as far as we’ve come with regard to sim racing and modding in general, that there are people still out there this narrow minded.

    I better stop now. This is just sad news all around.

    • F1Racer

      I totally get where you’re coming from and your frustration is naturally understandable.

      But should modders and sim-racers be allowed to openly flout the laws of copyright and trademark infringement even if it is may affect sales of the expensively officially licenced game ?
      That’s what FOM will likely ask themselves and their answer to that will be obvious.

      The only reason I would even touch a CM F1 title is if no other F1 mods existed. That will never happen. I certainly won’t buy their product because there is no F1-2014 mod in the sim community.
      I’ll happily stick with GT / Historic / Roadcar mods. If an F1 sim is marketed for the masses as CM’s are, then it’s no good to me. It won’t be ‘sim’ enough and it won’t handle like a modder at home and make it handle. That says a lot.
      Geoff Crammond nailed it all those years ago. Simply by creating a proper sim that could be dumbed down with driver assists in order to cater for all skill levels.
      Then he had a checkbox for team dependent performance or all cars the same. OK so you could only play lan mp but that was it’s only flaw back then.
      Why they can’t look back on that and realise it was the right way to cater for everyone I dunno. Maybe CM lack people or resources to do full on F1 physics.

      • kahel grahf

        It’s time for you to change your pseudonym…

      • F1Racer

        I’d only do that of my own choice and I choose not to :)

      • http://www.protosimtech.com ProtoSimTech

        “But should modders and sim-racers be allowed to openly flout the laws of
        copyright and trademark infringement even if it is may affect sales of
        the expensively officially licenced game ?”

        I don’t know. That’s certainly a good question. Copyright issues get very VERY tricky, even to discuss. Certainly, in the sim racing community, it’s something that’s been “tolerated” for a very long time (modding, I mean). It’s certainly meant more sales for some titles.

        On the flip side, if anyone anywhere can take your product and recreate it for their own pleasure, I suppose there has to be some sort of limitation.

        I’ve been in several modding groups since 2000, and in that time I’ve seen a lot of titles that have openly encouraged modding, and I’ve seen companies that very openly forbid it.

        Modding in general has made a massive amount of progress over the last decade or so. You can see that in not just sim racing games, or even games in general (Android for example). It’s becoming more and more acceptable.

        That said, it doesn’t mean that copyright laws are something we should take lightly.

      • F1Racer

        Very true.

        Also I think for every argument against F1 mods affecting, for example, CodeMasters F1 game sales, there is always another counter argument that the mods have helped in their game sales. Simmers try an F1 mod, like it, then a fully licenced game comes out and they buy it (then subsequently complain because it’s not as good as the mods :) )

  • T-Man

    I can understand it, with the latest incarnation of sims such as rF2 and Assetto Corsa, with big advances in graphics and physics engines from what was already at a pretty high standard. Now Assetto Corsa with laser scanned tracks and soon to release modding tools and also being available on Steam right next to Code Masters in Simulation section.

    • The Dark

      I dont think it will affect mod production especially if it is kept anonymous. it just affects places who advertise it. like anything if it is stopped while it is open like now, it will only go underground and be harder to keep an eye on.

  • ftrracingtv

    Oh well ill just here the news on bsimracing if any new f1 mods come out

  • Mario Strada

    If the F1 lawyers and marketers are afraid of a tiny modding scene such as ours, then the fact that my wife and I, effective immediately, will stop watching F1 races, including pre and post race shows. I will also make it my mission, here in the US to tell anyone that will listen what I really think about F1 and their glorified vacuum cleaners.

    I also was going to have the Monaco and the Texas race on my big screen for a bunch of people, most of them complete F1 virgins. That won’t happen.

    Neither will I buy F1 2014 (I was waffling on that anyway).

    I am sure I will think of plenty of legals ways to make sure that anyone coming into my sphere of influence will be dissuaded from spending any more or watching F1 and their sponsors.

    I know it’s a drop in a vast ocean, but it will make me happy to watch V8 supercars and anything else that is not FIA sponsored. Good Bye F1. You were great 30 years ago.

  • Rodrigo Pires

    Montoya is becoming too soft!

    Why be afraid of Bernie?

    “This is after all a man who has set up his affairs after his divorce so that it’s his ex-wife who pays him alimony, to the tune of $100 million a year.”

    http://blog.axisofoversteer.com/2014/04/briatore-was-ecclestones-bag-man.html

    He couldn´t hurt anyone, could he?

    :D

  • John Krisfalusci

    shame… real shame~

  • Francesco Huber

    A very good decision – I find reports on race cars better anyway

  • Chris Wright

    I’ve made too many posts in this thread, but I just want to say that the F1 powers that be really should read all of these comments. Yes, folks are annoyed about the new restrictions on modding but, more to the point, they’re harboring long held, deep resentment of the way F1 is being run. And don’t forget every simmer is also an avid race fan – it goes with the territory, doesn’t it. I’d say it’s a sport in crisis – maybe that’s why they’re being so petty?

  • F1Racer

    Read the posting rules !! In your case rule 5b.

    • Robert

      Just to be clear … And you can look it up as FOM already lost this case, anyone can use the word F1 … Companies can be called F1 Computers, F1 Transport , F1 Logistics, F1 carsales and in fact a n Australian company has not only the name but also a very similar logo and they’re untouchable! That is a fact….. Look up it was about 2008 that they lost a court case and set that precedent…. Example -of the trucking firm which are not a small firm here btw 150 prime movers or so ..http://www.primemovermag.com.au/uploads/primemover/articles/PM-0911-featured-F1-Logistics-300(2).gif

      • Robert

        Sorry that’s not a response to you f1 racer I don’t post and made a mistake sorry.

      • F1Racer

        This isn’t about the F1 logo though. For a start, none of those companies will have an effect on CM’s F1 licenced games.

      • Robert

        Correct, and a lot of people above have mentioned talking about use of the word F1 and that being the problem, when it is not. My point was correcting that as that’s not correct at all for anyone to say that as they’re missing the real issue. The problem is when your trying to pass off something that is not officially licensed as something official and licensed and that that product is conforming to a ‘perceived’ high level of quality and standard. In this case I have always agreed with FOM .. it is a money business sure and they’re not trying to stop the simulation of car racing which is a sport, they’re protecting their brand.. which just so happens to be the pinnacle brand and category and that’s why we love to
        simulate it, so Reiza were correct in
        their approach and I cannot blame
        FOM for anything at this point. Also
        Montoya who runs this site is a site
        that I myself love and look at daily for so many years that I cant remember how long!! But I can understand how you can be implicated in offer a news service which assists in advertising these products .. just because you don’t pay for them doesn’t mean they’re not products that have to abide by the law. They must, I have received free samples of products before but they still must adhere to quality standards etc etc … But with a slight adjustment to how that news is delivered there will be no problem and then us discussing below won’t be an issue. The delivery of the news is the critical point … It cannot be x has created x, simulating xand it can be found here on their website… It must be delivered as news only. What we dicuss below is non of their business! …. Having said that free anarchist publications have been shut down for facilitating illegal activity so … It’s complex. I’m sure if the FIA or other series had financial muscle and resources to pursue as FOM does they would too … They don’t ans at the same time it’s not on the same level. It’s a tough one but all sides have valid point and ones that aren’t so valid.

  • F1Racer

    What do you think this is, YouTube ? Watch your language and read the posting rules !!

  • nick jonson

    This threat doesn’t really mean much more than that the simracing-world may not use the F1-name anymore. If that (F1 name) is changed by modders to be something like R# instead, noone is to blame. Fair enough! The shape of the car, the sound, pretty much everything except the name, is not protected by any kind of law.

    But I would still listen to the Formula 1 consortium threats and promise them to absolutely not care about F1 anymore. No need to watch the crap, no need to care at all. From now on, everything should be focused away from F1. But I don’t really see a reason to why modders should change anything else but the name – F1.

    I hope the F1 consortium understands what a fanbase they are about to lose. Afterall, F1 simracing have been the most boring anyway. Thanks for getting rid of it for us. Exit F1 – Enter True Simracing.

  • http://www.autosim.ru/ Max Pautov

    it’s sad….

  • Kris Baxter

    I don’t really give a crap about F1 sim racing (though I enjoy the real thing) but I am completely incensed by this, so much so I emailed Formula One World Championship to voice my concern.
    My fear is the impact this may have on other classes, but hopefully they won’t be stupid enough to alienate fans.
    As I pointed out to them, if official games were licensed to devs that can actually develop a decent sim then perhaps this wouldn’t be so much of an isssue (Codemasters and Milestone).

  • MistaDobalina

    Dear Formula One.
    I was a fan since the early 80s.
    I survived Jean-Marie Balestre, the no-slick-era, the new Hockenheim layout, “let Michael pass for the championship”, a 6-car-GP and Kai Ebel.
    Now I get ugly cars (nose), a poor engine with no sound, no backfire, DRS, (still Kai Ebel) and this disgusting behavior against the modding community, which is also a part of the fan community.
    So, Formula One, you don´t want me anymore?
    OK, I´m moving on to Indycar, WEC, Formula Renault 3.5…

    • EZehnder

      WEC is looking great right now. And at least it’s run by the FIA who have nothing to do with F1……

      /s

      • Glenn Frost

        Yes, but they have locked it down to pay per view….!

      • MistaDobalina

        You find it 2-3 days after the race on Youtube.

      • EZehnder

        Funny, YouTube never asked me to do that when I watch 6H of Silverstone recently…

    • Nicolas Grignon

      so true… It’s been a LOONG time I don’t watch F1anymore… and I don’t regret it ONE bit.

    • MrMaki

      Hey wait! F1 has nothing to do with Kai Ebel! Though he is easily the worst martyrdom from all of them.
      Hockenheim layout still makes me cry :-(((

  • Slipstream Snake

    This is not a trademark issue, and copyright laws universally have exception clauses for news reporting, teaching, research etc. In the US and UK this exception is called the ‘fair use’ or ‘fair dealing’, according to which news reporting forms an exception to the exclusive rights of the copyright holder, whereby one can lawfully incorporate or cite another author’s work in your own work. Similar clauses are written into the IPR laws in civil law countries. Since VR’s news reporting is covered by fair use, FOWCL’s claim has no basis in law.

    • Alex Ball

      I came here to post the same thing.
      You should carry on as normal.

      • Birddogg66

        Well F1 could then in turn go after the modding teams which VR has no desire to facilitate those actions in any way shape or form. This is a wake up call to modders to have enough variance in their car models different from F1 cars and to use fictitious names for their cars. I am sure Formula 1 can’t go after a mod called GP1 now can it?

    • Bakkster

      Pragmatically, if the FOWCL were to sue, there’s no way for Montoya to mount a legal defense against the FOWCL’s lawyers and would be run out of business whether it’s fair use or not.

      • Slipstream Snake

        I understand your concern, and this is precisely what FOWCL lawyers want Montoya to think. I don’t know what they have said to him, but I bet it is along the lines of “…*rights talk*…comply with x, y and z…..or else” without any real legal backing up. That is how it is done efficiently, simply gain maximun of obedience with minimum of effort. In 99% of cases it works. And in 99% of cases they back off when presented with a solid counter-claim.

        If VR was mine, and behind a very small llc. (so they couldn’t get legal fees from me personally), not only would I be unintimidated, but incredibly happy to get sued by FOWCL. If I won, the feather in my hat would show to distant lands! And if I lost, I’d just start a new site and hey, it would still be an awesome story to tell and I’d happily pay something for that :) I bet there are plenty of lawyers in Germany that would take this case pro bono too, and I’d contact a legal aid office asap.

      • Bakkster

        Do we know if VR is incorporated by Montoya? If not, then he would be liable for damages personally, and not able to start a new one.

        My guess is they’d lean on the US doctrine of whether VR “fosters infringement”. Not sure if it’s similar rules on the other side of the pond, but I don’t see a case being summarily thrown out because to the best of my knowledge a distinction is made between “here’s a news report on copyright infringement” and “someone released an infringing mod, for those who want to download it”.

        End of the day, even if I’m an llc, I don’t want to go toe to toe with FOM.

  • Olivier Prenten

    I guess the supreme midget is behind this stuff! Sadly, madly, truely… :(

    • RichardHessels

      No it’s the FIA..

      • SamuelKorthof

        Why would the body that provides en controls the rules do that? The FIA isn’t the owner of F1’s commercial rights. If the FIA was behind this it would ask Montoya to ban all FIA content on his blog not only F1…

      • F1Racer

        The article does say F1WC Ltd made the request.

      • Tim Brokaw

        do you have to change your forum name F1Racer? am I allowed to use the letter “F” followed by the number “1” in that order? (looks over shoulder suspiciously)

      • F1Racer

        I don’t mind changing it to F1WCKMA.

      • Olivier Prenten

        And who does the FIA belong to? …

      • Bakkster

        Jean Todt.

      • Bakkster

        FOWCL, not the FIA.

  • Lars Bargmann

    How awesome would it be, if one of the “bigger” teams using rF-Pro releases one of their 2-3 year old models to the community?
    I could see the fun in that :D

  • Roy Rki

    No problem with Formula Exos and future Formula A in existence…

  • Justin Cruze

    With Bernie the way he is, only surprise is that it took this long.

  • RichardHessels

    So for F1 related mods we have to find our info somewhere else, big deal.
    I understand FIA needs to defend their logo’s and name. Otherwise they loose their rights in the long run.
    But nobody asks the companies who are actually paying F1 to get worldwide exposure in return.. the advertisers!
    It’s already getting harder for racing teams to find decent sponsors.
    By putting major racing series behind decoders and limiting the exposure companies can get find their luck elsewhere in other global sports, just like us.
    Bye Bye Bernie, good luck on your bribery charges & billiondollar tax scam!
    Next hearing is tomorrow..

    • SamuelKorthof

      FIA and Bernie aint the same….FIA is the ruling body and Bernie is in lead of the commercial rights but not the owner. That is CVC Capital Investments. Bernie is just a employee.

      • RichardHessels

        If he is just an employee, i can imagine what kind of people work there. Extreme greedy people. Willing to bribe or break anybody who comes in their way.

  • Karel Marciniszyn

    F1? What it is? That ugly looking thing without any sound full of baby drivers??? Ahh..OK, no problem, let it go away…

  • Gerardo

    Now all mods can be called “Formula Bernie”, is an elegant solution.

    • SamuelKorthof

      Great suggestion.

    • Birddogg66

      Why Not Formula Won?

  • Ricoo

    Please no more subject on F1. Let them die forgotten.

  • SamuelKorthof

    I understand that F1 has to protect their trademarks. Nothing special nothing new. The best F1 mods aren’t called F1, so it won’t make any difference.

  • Birddogg66

    Things like this are the reason why Grass Roots Racing is still the Best! These mega sanctioning bodies getting too big for their britches and losing a bit of heart and soul of what Racing is all about and it’s just a money thing anymore. Costs have inflated so much that these entities need to act in manners such as this where they feel the need to bleed every turnip to stay on top of the costs and keep things viable

    • Nicolas Grignon

      still these practices has to stop… mods without any financial aspect don’t threaten F1 at all… and if they do, it’s because they often propose a better rendition so what about to give/sell the licence to better game creators [unlike arcademasters]… and also what about the individual creation, after all, most of the serious modders do model the thing from A to Z on their own time and hard work? soon, just to draw a F1 will be considered property theft!!! where the greed stops??? If people weren’t so much sheep and would act: the simple action of closing you TV during the next GP would do better for this over inflated F1’s ego than the last 20 years. Remember Bernie and co, If nobody watch, there is NO F1!!!

      • Ioannis

        I could not agree more.

      • Birddogg66

        I thought of typing a reply but would rather ask how ya doing and how are things going? I hope all is well with ya! You gonna enter Reiza’s Painting Contest?

  • Stan

    Ayrton died 20 years ago today…

  • EZehnder

    This reminds me of porn parodies. You know who takes trademark infringement seriously? Lucas Arts. However, you put the word “Not” in front of it and it becomes “Not Star Wars” (a XXX porn parody). Now you can use all the real names and situations and literally screw the entire trademark to hell and back.

    The realistic rollout of this means things might not be called F1 but everyone will know what it is. It’s functionally no different. No one is going to stop watching F1 because of a bad rFactor mod. People WILL leave F1 when this sort of thing happens. What would make people come TO F1? Embrace sim racing and provide data and licenses at a reasonable rate.

  • Professional Operator

    Formula One World Championship Limited

    You already destroyed this sport with nonsense regulations, But now, what you you are doing with this blog, dening F1 mods news, is way too much. I hope it will backfire you. I for one will no longer care about Formula One.

    Welcome Formula Indy.

  • LogiForce

    Sad news. :(

    Why do these lyrics come to mind all of a sudden…

    Now there’s no welcome look in your eyes
    when I reach for you.
    And now your’re starting to critisize little things I do.
    It makes me just feel like crying, (baby).
    ‘Cause baby, something in you is dying.

    You lost that lovin’ feeling,
    Whoa, that lovin’ feeling,
    You’ve lost that lovin’ feeling,
    Now it’s gone…gone…gone…woooooah

    Lyrics from: The Righteous Brothers – You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlKcpE3j-U

  • EZehnder

    Will there be reporting on Project CARS and their Formula A car or Assetto Corsa and their Lotus T125 Stage 1? These are unlicensed and are basically F1 cars.

    What if a mod comes out called “Fast Cars 1″ which is just an F1 2014 mod for some game but doesn’t use a single real name, logo or other licensed product. Will it be allowed on the site or reported on? Seems like they want you to eliminate the grey area rather than allowing the grey area to be sorted out in the courts.

    Seems like bullying to me.

    • todemanjack

      I think it is clear that they don’t own the open wheel race car concept. Nor the licenses on individual cars.

      • Professional Operator

        Indeed. Reiza Studios is doing lot of open wheelers, cleverly they are not calling them with official names, it’s their business model and it works, seems like nobody can legally stop them.

        So, I think the situation now is the same of Enduracers / Porsche Cup mod, they have been contacted by lawyers, they removed Porsche logo, called it “Flat 6″ and released it anyway. Other modders could do the same.

        Don’t be scared Montoya as long as there are no licenced names involved don’t be scared to post open wheel sim racing news.

  • Jorge Araujo

    F1 sucks nowadays. Codemasters F1 games sucks even more, and will always sucks. Why bother anyway?

  • dd101

    Don’t waste your energy, simracers. Business is business. Rename them with some funny names and carry on. Have fun!

  • Ole Marius Myrvold

    I’m pretty sure it could’ve been avoided with some e-mails.

    Anyway, as one (of the few it felt like), heavily against the promotion of Joux Plane in Assetto Corsa, as the work was illegal by law. I see some light in the situation, that legality matters somewhat at least.

    • Nathan

      I’ve not kept up to date with the community view at large on this subject, but who is it hurting having Joux Plain in Assetto Corsa?

      • Ole Marius Myrvold

        It’s not hurting anyone economically, however, it is a more clear cut breach of copyright laws than this F1-stuff.

        This is the problems that most sites have, let something pass, but not other stuff.

      • Nathan

        If you are against having a great track from a great sim available to play in another great sim, and nobody is being negatively affected, then I respectfully disagree with you.

      • Ole Marius Myrvold

        I’m against deliberate, and straight out ripping without permission from the person(s)/company(ies) that made it.
        When it’s a modded track, some might call it a grey area. However, when you take something out of a game, that is protected by all forms of copyright, a game that is owned by a still operating company, that holds all rights to the material in the game, it’s illegal, as simple as that. There are no grey areas when it comes to that stuff.

        If the stage had been remade, from scratch, just using the original as a template for corners and such, but remade from scratch, I feel a bit different by it, and the laws, well, they aren’t as tight in that area.

        But the stage was ripped, clear cut from how it was in the original game – that is, and will be for a good while. Illegal.

      • Nathan

        If the creators of RBR were doing anything with the copyrighted material and having this material in Assetto Corsa negatively affected that, I might share your feelings. However there are plenty of examples in the industry of people simply sitting on copyrights and doing nothing with them.

        For example there are plenty of games (mostly sport and racing titles) that do not get sold because of licensing and copyright complications. So rather than just release it as abandonware or relinquish the copyright, they sit on it. As a result there are plenty of great games with physical copies no longer being produced, not being digitally sold and not allowed to be freely distributed. Games are supposed to be played, not withheld because of some stupid red tape.

        Maybe they should have asked first, but no harm, no foul as far as I’m concerned.

  • Arnaud dodo

    How is this legal? I mean you are just reporting news…?

    • pez2k

      This comes from the ‘bullying’ school of legal threats, ie. ‘if you don’t comply we will bankrupt you with legal fees’. The big company doesn’t even need to have a solid case, the penalty for Montoya would be having to hire a legal team to fight them. It’s a complete abuse of the legal system, but unfortunately happens much too often.

    • http://youtube.com/user/enterelysium EnterElysium

      AFAIK you’re right. They could, as far as I am aware under US law, file a DMCA takedown notice against any copyright infringing material hosted on VR – but the DMCA does not cover ‘talking’ about or ‘pointing to’ infringing material. Not sure if there is something else that covers that part now as their failed SOPA/PIPA bollocks was going to clamp down on that originally.

  • Metal Machine

    This only show’s me one thing: The brand is collapsing and they are in big big minus. So they are trying last resort to make some plus $. This is not such 1st. case of something like that happening.

  • Arhok

    Then you should just stop posting F1 at all not even official F1 content.

    • dd101

      Such a clever idea!
      There are nice and passionate* guys at Codemasters, but why fight this way when they already have a huge advantage (data, support, money and adv)? Looks like they are afraid of loosing to upcoming projects – AssettoCorsa and rF2.

      Let’s make it even, let them promote their work without fan sites like this one! ;]

      * Wanted to add “professional”, but latest news + shocking fact of releasing the game at closing stages of each championship is pure NON-professionalism.

      PS Talking about licenses… EA got their grabbing hands on Porsche license. What a waste…

  • OneDirection Dad 5/5

    I have just been asked by the twitter page of Codemasters

    @Formula1game “which website am I reffering to” when I asked them why this has to be removed…let’s see what they come back with..

    • Professional Operator

      Arcademasters.
      Formula Troll Game.

    • Mario Strada

      Was it them that complained? I lost track of who made the threat. If it was Codemaster I will have a lot of fun tweeting “Another day of not buying F1 2014″ after they release it. Every single day until it goes on sale.

      • Ole Marius Myrvold

        It is AFAIK not Codemasters.

      • The Dark

        how would you know please?

      • Ole Marius Myrvold

        “this action is taken due request from the license owners (Formula One World Championship Limited)”

      • The Dark

        ok but maybe CM contacted them?

      • Ole Marius Myrvold

        Then I would believe the problem would only have been for modding the same stuff that CM have licensed. With no more F1 content at all on vR, it doesn’t look like it’s only for the stuff CM have licensed – but from Race 1 1950 to last race to date.

      • The Dark

        good point

      • The Dark

        after they release it but before it goes on sale? that has to be a really short time window

    • Ole Marius Myrvold

      Well, it’s not Codemasters F1 games that is the source of the issue here – it is every non-licensed F1-thing.
      And it is not anything Codemasters have started. This is a company that works for more organisations than FOWC&FOL when it comes to take-down of sites that they decide are doing something wrong.

  • rci808

    Is it ok to post news about licensed content?

    • The Dark

      has to be

  • Alan Dallas

    How I read this:
    FOWCL: “Hey! Look, a free F1 resource we’re not making money off of! SQUASH THEM or MAKE THEM PAY!”

    Calling it like I see it.

    • The Dark

      that would work if they asked for money but I dont think they did.

      • Alan Dallas

        Don’t fool yourself. It’s always about the money even if not specifically asked for.

      • The Dark

        but I think they know they cannot ask in this case. I cant imagine them accepting money for VR to showcase mods that mess with their IP.

  • Wally Masterson

    Lame, lame, lame and greedy.

  • Nathan

    It was always my understanding that if no money was being made, license holders had no right to restrict mods (whether it be F1, Porsche, Ferrari or whatever).

    I don’t understand what they have to gain from doing this. If the idea is that “people can’t get the content elsewhere, therefore they will come to us”, then they are extremely naive and misguided.

    • http://youtube.com/user/enterelysium EnterElysium

      Money is only one factor used when determining breach of copyright – sadly non-profit mods are not immune.

      As for why – partly it might be the fact that they want to ensure all F1 games on the block have been licences by them and paid the due royalties. The ‘they can’t get it elsewhere so they’ll come to us’ strategy is one that seems to be used time and time again when big mods based off of well known IPs are stomped on.

      • Nathan

        I really don’t see what they are hoping to achieve by acting this way. All this will do is make people resent them.

        Personally F1 isn’t my thing, but sim racing is. I always thought it was really cool that the modding community was allowed to just do their thing. But now more and more restrictions are being placed due to nothing more than greed.

        Where does it end though? Next it will be tracks or cars that resemble real world cars. The future doesn’t look bright :(

  • jamie

    If it was by Andrew Willatt I have received exactly the same email for my website fantasymotorsport.net they try to claim that my fantasy formula 1 competition is a game on the par of codemasters f1 2013 and thus requires a licence to use driver name etc. Its absolutely ludicrous

    • Ole Marius Myrvold

      The thing is, they do state that they own the rights to FORMULA 1, F1 etc. etc. etc. etc. and all translations of it (ye right).

      It’s idiotic indeed.

  • blastx

    Not that i care about F1, but this is really wierd. Why cant you change your provider to China and post whatever you want. Id love to see how will they take your website down then :)

    Why are you guys afraid exactly? F1 is going to sue you F1Racer? hunt down your familiy? you can always register the website on a hobo’s name. Let F1 lawyers find that hobo and sue him lol !

    How come full of copyright ripped content, gamemodels russian website survives and you guys are scared of an F1 email?

    Ah well. F1 blows anyway. Boring as sht. Kartsim is more fun that F1 lol!

    • F1Racer

      Normally I don’t reply to this kind of daft post but here goes….

      China… the country that blocks off and polices what their citizens can see more than anyone else on the planet ? Sure… good idea.

      This is Montoya’s decision and he must take the right decision for him and his site. If he doesn’t want or need the hassle then so be it. It’s not for anyone to judge him or second-guess him on that. Besides how many F1 mods have VR reported on in the last 12 months ? it’s really not that big a deal.

      It is quite obvious that my nickname is perfectly fine as is the entire content of my website. This is not about the use of the ‘F1′ name.

      Your hobo comment is ludicrous and I can’t bring myself to even go there.

      As for Russia… well I`ll give you an answer as sensible as the question you posed… Russia has nuclear weapons and VirtualR does not (although the US believe Montoya may be planning to build one but he says the plutonium he has is for peaceful purposes).

  • F1Racer

    Guys, I’ve had to edit/remove a few posts in this thread but I won’t be editing your posts every time. If you break this rule you will likely lose your whole post. It’s so easy not to do it.

    5b) Do not use excessive foul language —>>>> (masking your profanity like
    ‘s**t’ or ‘f!&*’ is still the same as writing it in full if not
    worse as it is seen as a deliberate attempt to circumvent the keyword
    filter. <<<<—– Also we still know what you meant).

    • Hugo Stiglitz

      Cmon man, we’re all adults here. Plus this is the internet. Don’t be anti-freedom of speech. Curse words are some of the most versatille and commonly used words in the language.

      • F1Racer

        There is no such thing as freedom of speech. This being the internet is no excuse.
        As versatile and as common as they may be they are invariably used for negative purposes and, even though I myself am a prolific swearer, I know to try not to be that way on public forums.
        If I can hold myself back then anyone can. If someone can’t hold a conversation without the need for it then it says something about them.
        Sorry if you feel it curbs your ‘freedom’ but this is how it is.

      • Alan Dallas

        Swearing in written language is a conscious effort. In spoken language… not so much.
        I swear like a salty old sailor IRL. But when typing… too much effort. :p

      • rci808
      • F1Racer

        Mmm someone didn’t think I was serious. Bye bye.

  • http://s1.zetaboards.com/SimSkinsByDen/index/ PetrolheadDen

    Sad but not surprising in a world where Ford once sued a Mustang forum for using pics of their member’s own cars on a calender! You gentlemen that run this place don’t need the trouble for merely trying to supply a service for your readers and so, my hats off to you and thank you for letting people know. I am not an F1 fan but still I feel it is sad this had to happen for the sake of those that are.

    • Alan Dallas

      Ooooh boy, here we go.
      The Mustang Club you refer too is Black Mustang Club(must own a Black Mustang in order to be eligible for membership, it’s more of a Registry). I am a member of said club.
      We didn’t get threatened to be sued directly by Ford. The Calender company was asked by Ford legal to remove the Calendar as an item to be purchased, before they were even created. A digital preview was available at the time. Use of Ford Logo’s other than those on the Cars in the pictures has to be approved by Ford or Licensed. Which is what got their attention. Our Calendar designer simply removed anything that could be Copyright and all was well. The whole ‘It was because of the members cars’ thing was due to a misreporting by 1 news site and it blew up from there.

  • Robert Every

    Nothing surprising, any real negative comment about certain games but not others, is summarily deleted on here.

    • F1Racer

      Care to elaborate ? Claims like that require some evidence.
      Posts are never deleted based on the game, not ever. They will be deleted if they contain inappropriate content that breaks one or more of the posting rules though.

  • Peter Bone

    This is one reason why i will never pay Sky or anyone else to watch F1, free mods being made by dedicated people being shut down by a company worth billions. Its a joke but this is how the world works, and i for one despise it.

    • Justin Schmidt

      i don’t pay for f1 tv coverage because it’s just an advertising show. the sponsors of the sport should pay for the coverage.

  • Birddogg66

    Nottamod! Just the last Real F1 Simulation Series

    • Birddogg66

      What I’ll be adding to it is a mod and was approved by the developer. Remember the days when the games industry worked with one another?

  • Justin Schmidt

    you should post mods containing cars pre 1976. fom has no rights for those.

  • 2014ww3

    real sim racing died many years ago . Rfactor and GTR2 were the last good times

    the comminuty is a fuc king joke

    all this new garabge is a f ucking joke

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