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This is getting ridiculous. Hype hype hype hype hype. I’m burned out on Shift and I haven’t even played it yet!

Just release the demo already! Or say you won’t release it! Whatever! Just get it over and done with!

Andrew I understand the point of these videos but c’mon… give us the demo.
I cant wait to play Shift!

MadCat360:
I’m burned out on Shift and I haven’t even played it yet!

Yeah its been a bit overkill and its kinda taken the edge off.

They’ve putted more effort on making trailers than the game itself.

Less previews more demo. I agree on too many. I’m one of the few actually looking forward to trying this game but the amount of hype is getting aggravating. If they dedicated the time they have spent making previews for the game TO the game it would of been released a few months ago

VirtualR:
Instead of the highly anticipated Need for Speed Shift demo version, EA has released a new track guide of Willow Springs Motorsports Park.

YES! THANKYOU!

I jump out of my seat in hope every time I see Need for Speed Shift in the newspost title now.

hmm I see no infineon in the tracklist, pro street had it…

There’s an event in Austin Texas on the 3rd, so I’m not expecting the demo before that and I don’t think we”ll see a demo until sometime after the release date IMO. They’ve spent to much time and effort on the hype to take any chances on the demo unless the game is actually any good. Either way,not buying without trying!

You know what grinds my gears!?!?

I just need to try the demo first, to make sure it all works on my setup.
I think they would KNOW that? If I knew it worked, I’d order it right now.

I am fed up of the track guides now. Can we have a demo already preferably with two cars (Tuned and non tuned of the same car) and a half decent track that is’nt 30 seconds a lap. A track with lap times of 1 minute+ and 3 laps would be perfect.

Lame. Honestly, do EA have chimps in their video editing suite? Video should have an epilepsy warning.

“Quick, we need another hype video for Shift. You get the chimp, I’ll get the meth… DAMN! HE TOOK THE WHOLE BOTTLE!”

“So it’ll look like all the other vids then.”

To hell with EA. Read yesterday that across the board they spend far more on marketing than actual development.

Any chance I had of being interested in this has been absolutely killed. Game is out in two weeks. WHERE IS THE DEMO? Wouldn’t be surprised if the demo doesn’t come out until release day.

This is a turd in the making.

I think we have to wait another one or two weeks because 7 more track guides coming…

Jos:
hmm I see no infineon in the tracklist, pro street had it…

I don’t remember it in Pro Street…

EDIT: Wow, it was! I must not have got that far in the career.

I didn’t just throw Pro Street in the trash. I snapped the disk into little pieces first. Bad bad game. Demo of Shift or I won’t buy it. Forget about pre-ordering!

They can’t be seriously considering a demo after release. That’s like ticking a big YES in the ‘pirate me’ box.

I like the shift animation!

carbonfibre:
They can’t be seriously considering a demo after release. That’s like ticking a big YES in the ‘pirate me’ box.

LOL! I agree 100%

I wonder whether you can switch off the flashing “drive-this-way”-arrows in sim mode ..

UncleChuckle:
Lame. Honestly, do EA have chimps in their video editing suite? Video should have an epilepsy warning.
“Quick, we need another hype video for Shift. You get the chimp, I’ll get the meth… DAMN! HE TOOK THE WHOLE BOTTLE!”
“So it’ll look like all the other vids then.”
To hell with EA. Read yesterday that across the board they spend far more on marketing than actual development.

hehe, EA hired this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MimCZikP8cY
to help with their budget!

steve30x:
Preferably with tow cars

What?

@Sensekhmet learn to to read.

carbonfibre:
They can’t be seriously considering a demo after release. That’s like ticking a big YES in the ‘pirate me’ box.

I agree 100%. If the demo comes out after the the game then so many people will pirate the game so that they can try before you buy. Including me.

steve30x:
@Sensekhmet learn to to read.

I agree 100%. If the demo comes out after the the game then so many people will pirate the game so that they can try before you buy. Including me.

and some of them will only stay with the pirated one, including me.

The way I will do it is if the demo isnt out before the game is released I will pirate the game and If its as great as they say it is I will buy the game but if I only like the game (Its not fantastic but mediocre) then I will keep the pirate version. But if the demo comes out before the game comes out and the demo is just meh ok I wont buy the game and wont bother with pirating it either

I seriously hope we can remove the TSO’s that do not belong and change the advertising. Its rather sickening that the layouts are pretty good but the track graphics themselves are all wrong and TSO’s dont exist in real life.

Please correct me if I should be wrong @ some point, but:

- 16 players max
- no tyre wear
- no pit stops
- no weather
- no day/night change
- no league features like weight penalties
- (EA style) copy protection with internet activation and other issues(?)… .

Even if Shift should turn out as sim game… it does (so far) not seem to be the kind of sim I like.

And tons of MTV-clips instead of a DEMO does not work against this impression.

tingri:

and some of them will only stay with the pirated one, including me.

+1

Husky42:
I seriously hope we can remove the TSO’s that do not belong and change the advertising. Its rather sickening that the layouts are pretty good but the track graphics themselves are all wrong and TSO’s dont exist in real life.

Shift will have in-game advertising. So you will have to live with non authentic advertising.

moving-target: Comment

SMS never intended to do a true sim with Shift, instead they merged two kinds of racing games, Sims (or “half sims”) with NFS games and “taran” Shift was made.

It has the quality to succeed and a quality we dont see for years in this series, so why antagonize it??

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Demo pls!

f0xx:

SMS never intended to do a true sim with Shift [...]

This exactly is the point! They failed to make it that clear and so the whole guessing game started. (And imo only a demo or a statement from SMS can end it.)

Well I think they never clarified that, but by saying no tyre wear, no pit stops, no weather etc, its implied the idea of not being a true sim :)

Besides those things mean almost nothing to the majority of NFS buyers (arcade gamers).

I think most of us (sim gamers) already know the weak points of Shift, we just want the demo to know if the physics are that great (and the overall of the game ofc).

f0xx: Well I think they never clarified that, but by saying no tyre wear, no pit stops, no weather etc, its implied the idea of not being a true sim :)

Agree, never felt that GPL or RBR were sims

ps: Like if any of the “if they don’t bring out a demo” crowd was going to buy the game anyway. Try to justify your behavior all you want, but you know you’re nothing more then a cheap &^%&^%$%$##%$%^&^&^

RaYqUe:
They’ve putted more effort on making trailers than the game itself.

yes, that is NFS biggest problem.. I cant remember when i saw a finished NFS game.. the last one finished as I remember was NFS porche..

they are releasing to much games over one year.. its not normal..

rubbish..

Mark:

Agree, never felt that GPL or RBR were sims
ps: Like if any of the “if they don’t bring out a demo” crowd was going to buy the game anyway. Try to justify your behavior all you want, but you know you’re nothing more then a cheap &^%&^%$%$##%$%^&^&^

What makes you think I wont buy the PS3 version if the demo is good? Or if I like the Pirated version. Do explain yourself?

steve30x: @Sensekhmet learn to to read.

Learn to speak/spell English, smart a**
This is a ‘tow car’:
http://www.automobilesreview.com/gallery/mondeo-tow-car-of-the-year/mondeo-tow-car-of-the-year-05.jpg

Despite your douchebag tone, the ‘read’ comment cracked me up. Read what? I quoted YOUR comment. You know, with the little ‘quote’ button.

Sensekhmet:

Learn to speak/spell English, smart a**
This is a ‘tow car’:
http://www.automobilesreview.com/gallery/mondeo-tow-car-of-the-year/mondeo-tow-car-of-the-year-05.jpg
Despite your douchebag tone, the ‘read’ comment cracked me up. Read what? I quoted YOUR comment. You know, with the little ‘quote’ button.

So instead of trying to make out that I meant TWO cars you had to be a d**k and question me? Let me edit my post for you so you wont have too many problems reading what I ean. (I did spell all of my words properly did’nt I?)

Also I did’nt have a douche bag tone in the first place but your second post to me was a douche bag (Stupid american saying) tone. If the read part made you crack up why did you have to answer with such a tone? Maybe because it didnt crack you up but you just wanted to be an a**. Do you want to correct any more of my spelling?

holy shit, never knew rfactor(no weather), gp legends (no tire wear), gt legends (no weather) were no true sims…

Jos:
holy shit, never knew rfactor(no weather), gp legends (no tire wear), gt legends (no weather) were no true sims…

I give a damn about tire wear, weather changes and all the stuff other so called sims doesn’t have as well. Only thing that counts are the physics and if they are proper you’ll have fun for sure.
Remember the LFS demo… no tire wear, no weather changes (till now) but great physics and even better netcode. LFS S2 was fun for years (without original tracks, fantasy cars) and not so good graphics!
What makes me feel a true sim is what I see and what I feel through the wheel. If this feels close to real, it’s a sim for me.

UncleChuckle:
Lame. Honestly, do EA have chimps in their video editing suite? Video should have an epilepsy warning.
“Quick, we need another hype video for Shift. You get the chimp, I’ll get the meth… DAMN! HE TOOK THE WHOLE BOTTLE!”
“So it’ll look like all the other vids then.”
To hell with EA. Read yesterday that across the board they spend far more on marketing than actual development.
Any chance I had of being interested in this has been absolutely killed. Game is out in two weeks. WHERE IS THE DEMO? Wouldn’t be surprised if the demo doesn’t come out until release day.
This is a turd in the making.

The ad campaign does not equal the game.
Yes, EA spends far more on advertising then on development, but they’re not developing this game.

And are you completly new to games? Shitty games keeps deadlines, good games rarely do. Thats why Valve’s and Blizzards games nowadays are released “When it’s done.” Instead of at a set date.
Can’t belive theres still people who really trust releasedates when it comes to games.
Sure, a games thats supposed to come out next month will most likely be out by the next month, but a demo which is supposed to be out in “Summer” is a different story.
SC 2 was supposed to be out by this year, but it won’t be.
Valve said they’d be talking about Episode 3 by the end of 2008, and we’re nearing the end of 2009 and we still haven’t heard a thing.
So please, stop trusting shady releasetimes with your life.

aliasx: What makes me feel a true sim is what I see and what I feel through the wheel. If this feels close to real, it’s a sim for me.

Ditto every thing else is just frosting on the Sim cake. By the way, IMO a true Sim should ONLY have cockpit view to drive with. That would leave alot of self proclaimed race Simmers in the arcade camp!

no way dude, need the bumper cam! cockpit view is good, but since in most games the virtual steering wheel doesn’t rotate 900 degrees, it puts you off. Even though your looking at the road, it still puts you off, like your brain is automatically not agreeing or something lol.

Thats kind of selfish I must say. Not everyone can drive with the cockpit view. I use bonnet / hood view and i am not self proclaimed. I just enjoy playing race sims.

Cockpit view is the only acceptable view :cool: Never saw someone sitting on the hood in a reallife racecar.

It might be the only acceptable to some of you guys but its being selfish to force those who dont want it to use it.

I don’t force someone. I’m just giggling a bit about those “in the hood” viewer. ;)

You know what I mean then?

cockpit doesnt quite work for me, it’s not realistic to have a whole cockpit within a tiny eye movement. you need to lower the FOV severely to make it realistic but then you dont get a good sense of speed.

a bonnet view gives a much larger view of the surroundings which for me makes it more real.

The bonnet view is what I will be using to drive. While the point of view is different that the driver’s view, you get a better picture of your surroundings. It’s fun for online races with friends. I use a 22 inch monitor and find that the cockpit view wastes my screen real estate. If I had a bunch of flat screen moniters surrounding me, then I’d use the cockpit cam more often.

Jos: view gives a much larger view of the surroundings which for me makes it more real.

It is also a big advantage over the (constrained) cockpit view. You have a much better view of the track, so you can set up and execute your turns. You don’t have that in (real) life. At least not in tin tops. So it is one more notch off of the simulation reality, when you drive in anything except cockpit view. P.S. You can learn to ignore the steering wheel and get used to the sense of speed. By using this advantage your forcing others to do so, to be able to fairly compete!

No way you could use that version as a training tool. They made it look like a real track. That place is nothing but cactus and tumble weeds.

Any way you slice it, NFS:Shift threads always get loads of posts whether it be positive or negative criticism. So I suppose they are serving their purpose very well in ensuring we contribute to the hype machine.

With every passing day i doubt there will be a demo before the official release of “Shift”.
Maybe some preorders will be canceled after trying the demo.

- (EA style) copy protection with internet activation and other issues(?)… .

Uh oh, that’s one thing I had completely forgotten about. Does anyone know what kind of copy protection this title will have? If it’s one of those with limited amount of installs/activations and after that you have to call EA to activate (like Spore or Mass Effect) then I’m not sure the pc version is the obvious one to buy for me anymore.

I never tried a NFS yet that opened on two monitors in span mode. So I’m not taking a chance on this one.

Mmmmm… Popcorn!

steve30x:

So instead of trying to make out that I meant TWO cars you had to be a d**k and question me? Let me edit my post for you so you wont have too many problems reading what I ean. (I did spell all of my words properly did’nt I?)
Also I did’nt have a douche bag tone in the first place but your second post to me was a douche bag (Stupid american saying) tone. If the read part made you crack up why did you have to answer with such a tone? Maybe because it didnt crack you up but you just wanted to be an a**. Do you want to correct any more of my spelling?

I do, because in your foaming you made some mistakes yet again. And if you think that a snap ‘learn how to read’ was polite, you need to work on your communication skills.
And yeah, how DARE I question you? How DARE I point out your mistakes? Let me carry on with these questions: how DARE you question my reading abilities when it clearly said TOW not TWO?
Get off your high horse man, let off the pressure before you burst a vein. You’re neither the Pope or the Prince of the Universe.
And I’m not an American (see? ANOTHER mistake!)

aliasx:

What makes me feel a true sim is what I see and what I feel through the wheel. If this feels close to real, it’s a sim for me.

A good point, but it touches on the ‘real vs. feels real’ issue. There are some who say that you need a bunch of real world data, to create a ‘real’ sim, there are also those, who say it’s not absolutely necessary, that some basic data is enough, as long as things ‘feel’ real. I must say I’m a bit torn between the two. I mean, it’s nice to have the exact dimensions of a bolt in the sim but isn’t the overall feel of the car more important than milimeter-perfect bolts in the end?

Sensekhmet:

I do, because in your foaming you made some mistakes yet again. And if you think that a snap ‘learn how to read’ was polite, you need to work on your communication skills.
And yeah, how DARE I question you? How DARE I point out your mistakes? Let me carry on with these questions: how DARE you question my reading abilities when it clearly said TOW not TWO?
Get off your high horse man, let off the pressure before you burst a vein. You’re neither the Pope or the Prince of the Universe.
And I’m not an American (see? ANOTHER mistake!)

My horse is too high to get off especially when dealing with someone like you. It was obvious enough I meant two when in brackets I said one car tuned and the other normal. Also I never said you were american. I said Douche Bag was a stupid american saying so that was your mistake to assume I called you american.

C’mon guys…shift the subject. (got that? – “shift” the subject :P)

Anyway…. 3 of September sounds good for a demo release date hmm…..

Sensekhmet:

I do, because in your foaming you made some mistakes yet again. And if you think that a snap ‘learn how to read’ was polite, you need to work on your communication skills.
And yeah, how DARE I question you? How DARE I point out your mistakes? Let me carry on with these questions: how DARE you question my reading abilities when it clearly said TOW not TWO?
Get off your high horse man, let off the pressure before you burst a vein. You’re neither the Pope or the Prince of the Universe.
And I’m not an American (see? ANOTHER mistake!)

Before you rip someone apart for just making a typo and then continue to question their communication skills maybe you need a lesson or two yourself.

Even though I do it myself from time to time because it’s a bad habit with me, you don’t start a sentence with the word ‘And’.
You have done that 3 times in that post. With me, when I do it, I know it’s wrong and its just negligence on my part.
But I certainly wouldn’t do it in a post where I’m criticising someone for how they write English.

Yeah, let’s do. It is clear I cannot win a battle with an infallibe god-like internet master entity like steve30x, who even knows my thoughts better than me. I give up.

F1Racer:

Before you rip someone apart for just making a typo and then continue to question their communication skills maybe you need a lesson or two yourself.
Even though I do it myself from time to time because it’s a bad habit with me, you don’t start a sentence with the word ‘And’.
You have done that 3 times in that post. With me, when I do it, I know it’s wrong and its just negligence on my part.
But I certainly wouldn’t do it in a post where I’m criticising someone for how they write English.

My fault, too often on teh intranets. It can really ruin your language skills, especially if you’re not a native speaker.

Sensekhmet:

My fault, too often on teh intranets. It can really ruin your language skills, especially if you’re not a native speaker.

This is very true. I’ve seen way too many examples of it everywhere.

an infallibe god-like internet master entity

LOL, thats quite some powerful being.

To those discussing sim vs real sim tire wear, weather effects.

This day in age, it is inexcusable to not include these items into products.

GPL can be forgiven because it simulates an era in which tires were nothing more then widened common road tires for the most part. They did not use slicks and the wear was negligible. In 1967 tires did not really wear and the sets of tires were used for more then one race. That said GPL has a very poor tire model and a simplified aero model.

In fact every title we have received to this date is still flawed by many aspects.

I want a full Flight Simulator style sim. I want to do my prerace checks, I want to be black flagged for overly aggressive and dangerous driving, I want to hear my pit guy reporting real time track information to me that is track specific. I want to be able to communicate via headset to my crew for adjustments and telemetry data to be logged and have “engineered estimates” based on the data fed back to me.

I want the fire control system button to work, I want to be able to point and click every single button in the cockpit to effect.

So the whole sim vs not sim argument can really be shoved up every single persons whoo hoo because truth is. We do not have sims in which a standard has already been set by the flight sim titles. And until we do, there are always going to be flaws.

No tire wear in a title that is made in 2009 vs one that is made in 2005 vs one that was made in 1998 – That is an 11 year gap between GPL and Shift – The fact alone that it is still being compared speaks volumes for just how polished it was, even if it is quite shit by todays standard.

Its nice to see EA and SMS can only do graphics. Just more stuff to convert in the long run.

Lots of valid points, Husky.
I’d also like to mention the issue of breakdowns and wear: I think our simulated race cars should break down much more often and wear out much quicker than they do now.
This, as well as other issues of modern sims stem from the simple fact of virtual cars being very primitive machines in my opinion. What we have is a very basic engine and transmission model (I think Richard Burns Rally tried to change that), a basic body/aero model, more complicated suspension and brake modelling and pretty good tire models: but all in all these are just poor copies of real, ‘living’ machines-like mannequins compared to real flesh.
Also, I think that a proper attempt as a realistic career mode would be good. But on the other hand, it would be difficult to balance with playability and… well, pro racer career is hardly a bed of roses. Some players might realize it’s not funny or cool at all

-eRNIe-:
With every passing day i doubt there will be a demo before the official release of “Shift”.
Maybe some preorders will be canceled after trying the demo.

[Jokemode on]
Come on
They only fooled one person in the whole world to pre order

Gaiajohan:
I think I’m going for a pre-order of €28.99

so that wouldnt hurt.
[Jokemode off]

Good Point! ;

The demo will be released when the PS3/360 stores are updated, midweek, sometime before the full release.

The way some people go on it’s a wonder they buy any videogame, how long has the PC sim crew bemoaned the lack of a mainstream driving ‘sim’, now one arrives that ticks most boxes, there’s a reluctance to pay, what, $40 for the PC version.

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face, what happened to just enjoying driving a great car on a great track?

Its very cheap… 28 euros :)

I pay 32,49 € preordered over at play.com but I really don’t care about the small amount of money. I just want to have some fun with good gfx and sound.

JAGUAR1977:
The demo will be released when the PS3/360 stores are updated, midweek, sometime before the full release.

I wonder how you know this as I spoke to a member of SMS only yesterday and asked about the demo and even he said he didn’t know for sure yet.
You must have some great sources.

Here is another NFSshift video that talks about the “cockpit view”, that we have been discussing here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XwLz-J3BU&feature=related This video also has a interview that reveals new information. Including mentioning exciting future content.

Add another vote for the hood view crowd. I always feel like I’m trying to drive from the back seat in cockpit view. A little monitor cannot accurately represent a realistic view of the cockpit, and you end up looking at the road through a letter box. Now, if I had a dome screen, I’d go cockpit view every time. There’s a line between visual simulation and functional simulation, and hood view, for me, while not ideal, is a far more accurate functional simulation of driving than the cockpit view. I also prefer virtual mirrors for much the same reason.

I’m glad that I’ve got that off my chest, and that there are actually others that prefer hood view. I got the impression from the simracing community that it was pretty much unused. All I every read about is the choice between cockpit and chase view,(which makes me feel like I’m driving a remote control toy car) like that’s all there is.

F1Racer:

I wonder how you know this as I spoke to a member of SMS only yesterday and asked about the demo and even he said he didn’t know for sure yet.
You must have some great sources.

Demos are only released when the stores are updated, therefore there are only two opportunities for the demo to be released prior to the retail release.

Search for: Need for Speed Shift 2009 3310
It is in RapidShare, there are 21 parts of it each one aproximately 200mb good luck

lool already trojan horses for NFS shift? ^^