Need for Speed Shift – The Realism Discussion Continues…

Yesterday’s item on German PC Games Magazine‘s quite negative impression of Need for Speed Shift has once again started a heated discussion about wheter or not the newest Need for Speed title will be appealing to sim racers.

Contrary to the negative impressions, two very promising videos have surfaced, showing the game’s pro-mode without driving aids. One shows the Maserati MC12 at Laguna Seca, the other a race on the Nürburgring Nordschleife.

Furthermore, VirtualR reader mikem has recenlty been able to try the Playstation 3 version of Shift and shared his experience with everyone in the comments area. Since many people may have overlooked that, you can find his report (you might have to click “Read More” to see it).

“Like I’ve mentioned in one of the previous news on this game that I recently had the chance to spend sometime with the game. Since it was an event setup by Sony Canada, it was only the PS3 version but EA did have a wheel setup (G25) alongside the DS3 controller setups. Since the event was held a nightclub where I work (the place at one time was Sony Playdium), I had ample time to try the game out when the crew was setting up the event that morning. I probably spent just a little over an hour mostly at Nordschleife with a few cars I’m familiar with in real life and through other games.

Brands Hatch and two tracks based on London and Tokyo street were availlable besides the Nordschleife (which btw, can be setup to simulate either Morning, Noon or Evening hour). There were a few cars but the one that i drove were the Audi R8, Nissan R35 GTR (both AWD), Lotus Elise 111R and the BMW M3 GT2 (my first time in that car).

No, SHIFT is not an all out attempt at simulation. Although the only PC based sim that I spend a lot of time with is GTR2 but it’s pretty obvious from the onset that braking for example is what you would expect from Gran Tursimo or Forza. You still need to know the proper braking point and because I driven Nordschleife countless time, I had no problem with braking on that track and had no trouble familiarizing myself with the game’s physics There’s no particular idioscyncrasies that I had to adjust to; anyone familiar with either GTR2 or even GT5 prologue or Forza 2 will probably feel very much at home with SHIFT’s physics and handling. The track (Nordschleife) is pretty much what you’d find in GTR Evo and easily surpass GT4 as the best version on console (or at least until GT5 comes out)

Although the preception of speed in the game feels so much faster than GTR2 and even faster than Gran Turismo and Forza, the times I clocked (with various cars) at Nordschleife were quite realistic and much slower than my times in GT4. With the Audi R8- 8:10 (with TC and SC) and high 7:50s without assists. A bit faster with the R35 GTR- 7:50s (didn’t try without assist). The only other game where i had chance to drive these two cars is GT5 Prologue and I would have to say that while you can easily discern the difference in the handling between these cars in SHIFT, it’s not as apparent as Prologue. But between the AWD cars and the RWD Elise and the M3, the adjustment required to handle these cars is very much what you would expect in a good sim ie. AWD is much easier but RWD is much more exciting and involving.

I have to disagree with PC games comment on the graphic. With PS3 version, it was pretty sharp, and while there’s aliasing, it’s what you would commonly see on a console games. While it’s certainly not GT5 Prologue, it’s better than both GRID and Forza 2. The steering with the G25 : the FFB is quite powerful and easily surpass GT5 Prologue when it comes to sheer power. As to the effect: like I said, you can easily feel the difference between drivetrains and so is the weight of the cars. The weight transfer when cornering and braking are just as apparent. The only problem I have is that if you were to use the cockpit view, while there’s no (perceptible) delay between your input and that on the screen, the degree of rotation on the actual wheel doesn’t quite translate onto what you get on the screen. Also, it has to be noted that I did send most of my time in TT mode so I can’t comment on the AI behaviour or the rest of the game.”


  • Niksounds

    The video on Nordschleife is amazing!

  • http://racingrenders.com F1Racer

    I cant see the Nordschliefe video in either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
    I have updated Flash on both browswers and still they tell me I dont have the latest version.
    Strange cos all the other videos on here work fine.
    Sometimes computers are just mental.

  • logos

    This video also shows pretty decent driving around Spa (without driving aids):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTX-OfgfSlU

    As I understand from the italian forum, where it’s posted, the guy behind the wheel is very good sim racer, and also races for real. :happy:

    The Laguna Seca video, posted here is theirs, and they promise to post videos with other tracks.

  • lukasz

    Nice vid! Looks interesting.
    I want DEMOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/TomHolland93 TomHolland

    Getting pretty excited about Shift. :happy:

    F1Racer:
    I cant see the Nordschliefe video in either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
    I have updated Flash on both browswers and still they tell me I dont have the latest version.
    Strange cos all the other videos on here work fine.
    Sometimes computers are just mental.

    It’s a Facebook video, try logging into Facebook first. Might work. :grin:

  • Raikku

    Logging to FB? Who on earth use FB? Never! I rather die than join to FB.

  • 19Kilo

    What’s with all the billboards, flags, and other misc ads everywhere? 90% of all that crap shown in the videos isn’t there in real life. Not that I’m expecting total realism from this game, but wow the tracks look horrible like that :sad2: That said, the actual driving looks like fun and a big step up from previous NFS games. I’ll at least give it a rent if I don’t buy.

  • Skillcoil

    Nice video. I like it.

    Cant wait to see “Need for Speed Shift – Demo Released” /dreaming :cool: :cool:

  • AeroMechanical

    Looks very good. If you were comparing it to GTR2 it would, and definitely should, be more predictable and easier to drive most of the time. That has been the result of the progression in sim realism since then.

    Those videos look pretty good to me.

    Hopefully there will be a variable, like GTR2, to adjust the wheel rotation to match your wheel. It’s possible they don’t have the full rotation arm animations though, which is probably likely if by default you can’t go beyond however many degrees. Did GTL have full arm animations? I didn’t have a 900 degree wheel the last time I played it. Maybe we can turn the hands off. I can only imagine the PC version will be much more customizable than the console versions.

    I have a lot of hope for Shift. The thing I still put the most faith in is the AutoSimSport interview with Ian Bell. Can’t know until we try it of course. :)

    Yeah, where’s that demo already?

  • Gaiajohan

    Looks very good, but why the car dials get fuzzy at higher speeds :s

  • Jos

    As far as I know the only sims with full arm animations are LFS and Project Torque.

    btw, did you guys notice the swinging boat on Spa, friggin hilarious!

    AeroMechanical:
    Looks very good. If you were comparing it to GTR2 it would, and definitely should, be more predictable and easier to drive most of the time. That has been the result of the progression in sim realism since then.
    Those videos look pretty good to me.
    Hopefully there will be a variable, like GTR2, to adjust the wheel rotation to match your wheel. It’s possible they don’t have the full rotation arm animations though, which is probably likely if by default you can’t go beyond however many degrees. Did GTL have full arm animations? I didn’t have a 900 degree wheel the last time I played it. Maybe we can turn the hands off. I can only imagine the PC version will be much more customizable than the console versions.
    I have a lot of hope for Shift. The thing I still put the most faith in is the AutoSimSport interview with Ian Bell. Can’t know until we try it of course. :)
    Yeah, where’s that demo already?

  • gtrNL

    Jos:
    As far as I know the only sims with full arm animations are LFS and Project Torque.

    LfS is very good on the steering wheel but has no shift animation.

    Also, no GMotor game allows you change the wheel animation above 270. And my guess is that this game won’t allow that either (most don’t even allow you change it at all).

    Judging from the video’s (finally we see the pro mode) I have to say I’m sort of looking forward to it. Hope to see the demo soon.

  • carbonfibre

    He actually spun out under braking and accelerating over kerbs! :grin:

    Using their “creative license” excuse, I’d rather see an animated fairground on every track than have fake banners spoiling the road surface. Have no fear though, something tells me those simple textures will be modded out very shortly after release of the full game. :sd:

  • Jonas

    19Kilo: What’s with all the billboards, flags, and other misc ads everywhere? 90% of all that crap shown in the videos isn’t there in real life. Not that I’m expecting total realism from this game, but wow the tracks look horrible like that That said, the actual driving looks like fun and a big step up from previous NFS games. I’ll at least give it a rent if I don’t buy.

    totally agree, those ads look really awful

  • Couth

    The Nurburgring ring one is the PS3 version. it actually looks pretty good I expected the PC version to trounce the consoles

  • Raikku

    Isn’t rFactor gmotor? In rF you can change ingame wheel’s rotation to whatever you like, I have it in 540 degrees, ’cause that’s what I use for all sims in my G25.

    And GTR2 automatically recognize your wheel’s rotation, so it’s always 1:1

  • http://www.srrs-racing.net/ ermax18

    gtrNL:

    Also, no GMotor game allows you change the wheel animation above 270. And my guess is that this game won’t allow that either (most don’t even allow you change it at all).

    You can set rFactor to what ever you want. No arms though.

    Controller.ini

    [ General Controls ]
    Steering Wheel Range=”900″

  • Disposable_Hero

    Well, that Nordschleife video proved PC Games to be wrong: you actually can spin a car in NFS if you lock your brakes and turn the wheel :sd:

    Skillcoil:
    Nice video. I like it.
    Cant wait to see “Need for Speed Shift – Demo Released” /dreaming

    Me too

  • Alan Boiston

    Hey Guys, Glad you liked the Nurburgring video, only had limited time on the game so had to try 1 lap with all assists off. Yes under braking I was surprised just how quickly the car went away from me, it was very hard getting any kind of feel of traction on the PS3 pad, would much rather test a wheel.

    Sorry about the Facebook video, I will get a VVV Gamer video sorted out for the site soon. ;)

  • Mojo66

    Well the graphics look stunning, and the amount of detail they’ve put into the tracks is overwhelming, even to a degree where, at least on the Nordschleife, they added so many fictional ad boards and banners, that they forgot to add the freaking CASTLE!!!!

  • smashingpunk007

    Funny how a lot of the people hating on this game have now shut up after these videos were shown, but they sure as hell come out of the woodwork to discuss the negative aspects of it.Trolls anyone? Anyways, Thanks for the post and the video Alan, the demo should be fun :D. Hope it includes more than 1 car and track.

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