I think its intended to be like this. you know EA .. $ lovers.

All I want to do is to … somehow … use shift engine sounds on GTR2.

at the “making it very hard to get them to spin out.” Shift will never be like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfF1Fzx8tmA&feature=related /faint
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watching this video gave me a real craving to get race 07 out :D

as for nfs shift been playing all day is a fun game but far from being a sim

But anyone going into this game with any hopes of it being a hardcore sim with the aids off, I think, will be sorely disappointed.
If the physics are decent and pass for believable and its coupled with enjoyment in the driving, I think Shift could just about pull it off.

Either way it’s definitely going to meet both sides of the racing spectrum in the middle. Arcades and casual sim racers might be pleased but the hardcore guys will probably have to look elsewhere unless they can accept a little dumbing down.

I still have an open mind with Shift. I know its not going to be GRID but I also know it won’t be GTR2. I’m ok in the middle of that and if I want something harder, the alternatives are still there for me.

The main issue I think with some people is that they so badly want Shift to meet their needs because it potentially looks and sounds great and how cool it would be for us sim racers to have a full blown sim with all up to date games technology. That it might not deliver fully for them is an annoyance, but this is what happenes when you’re not in the mass market.

gtrNL:

You know, this reminds of GTR Evolution. Back then we had lots of people saying it would be sh*t months before it would be released. I said back then, and say now, YOU CAN NOT POSSIBLY KNOW! Some of those sh*t-shouters are now some of Evo biggest friends.

Of course many people who “predicted” that this particular game would not be a sim came to that conclusion by watching the way those cars handled on videos, not because there’s a part of them inside wishing that we didn’t have a good simulation game to drive. But their comments were interpreted as such nonetheless. Yes, you can’t be certain, particularly when people on videos use aids, but it’s not like you can’t make anything out of a video either.

ermax18:

I felt like you where trying to discredit my comments by critiquing my stupid spelling mistakes. You see this all the time on forums. Someone makes a valid point about a the topic at hand and some smart ass goes off topic and tries to discredit them on stupid spelling mistakes.
Thanks for the lessons though. :)

Discredit your comments ? Not at all mate, they were totally valid.
The spelling errors didn’t make your comments any less valuable at all.
The ‘brake/break’ and ‘lose/loose’ thing are pet hates of mine because of my disbelief of their rampant usage on the internet and sometimes I can be a bit of a pain about it. ;) Nothing personal

Sensekhmet:

It really depends. The car I race is a tiny, little, underpowered micro car, but *damn* it’s nervous. I spun on me in a matter of nanoseconds on a wet public road once. Funny thing is, in 3 years of flogging it hard in amateur rallies on tarmac, gravel, snow and combinations thereof it never happened again. True, it seemed to try a few times but I always caught it in time. I’d never expect such a s**tbox would demand so much respect from the driver
But it’s not a bad car: if you tickle it right, it simply dances. Wonderful feeling and a lot of fun.

Lol yeah I know what you mean, I cant even remember the number of times I spun out the first time I tried the 125cc superkarts. Pretty embarrassing too because I was all cocky and confident beforehand. The lighter they are the more of a handful I reckon And its a hard feeling to replicate in simracing without going too far and having that racing-on-ice feel to it; in that respect the only car that comes to mind is the skip barber in iracing.

F1Racer:

But you’re not driving a race car when your typing in a forum are you ?

I felt like you where trying to discredit my comments by critiquing my stupid spelling mistakes. You see this all the time on forums. Someone makes a valid point about a the topic at hand and some smart ass goes off topic and tries to discredit them on stupid spelling mistakes.

Thanks for the lessons though. :)

Astons are so cool, they can get away with weird names I think ;)

donbobo:
This is supposedly a clip with aids off.
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=131238846664&ref=mf
Looks quite a handful

Aids are off, the assists icons are not flickering on and off like in all the other videos. This is the best video so far of Shift, thanks for the link. The blur got kind of annoying, as long as we can disable it, its all good.
Now can someone post that video on the frontpage, so more peeps can see it.

ermax18:

Very true. You need an English Major to drive a race car.

But you’re not driving a race car when your typing in a forum are you ?
So I don’t really get that comment.

I’m not saying you need a PhD in the English language but you’re a sim-racer so things like ‘brakes’ should be 2nd nature.

Why an English Major though ? What’s wrong with a Scottish General or an Irish Colonel ?
If you need to have an English Major to know the difference between ‘brake’ and ‘break’ or ‘lose’ and ‘loose’ (which you did get right btw), then something’s wrong with the education system. I knew the difference with those before I was 10.

C’mon man, if you can type ‘depth perception’ and ‘peripheral vision’ then you clearly have the intelligence to know that cars have brakes and that they can ‘break’ loose or have a gradual tyre ‘breakaway’.
It’s always ‘break’ unless your referring to a something like a vehicles brakes.

Here endeth the lesson (and I didn’t even mention that you put ‘to’ instead of ‘too’).

“Why did you break my car ?”
“Because the brakes didn’t work. The car got loose and I started to lose control, hit the brakes and it hit the wall. I felt like such a loser. Now you need to take your car to the breakers.”

ermax18: BTW, did I say anything about ice racing?

Let’s not take ourselves or our comments to serious.

F1Racer:
Considering it is used so often in our world I think it should be part of a sim racers make-up to know the difference between ‘break’ and ‘brake’ and ‘lose’ and ‘loose’ :) That should be in the genes no matter where in the world you come from :D

Very true. You need an English Major to drive a race car.

ForzaBarca88:

b) ITS N0T THAT DIFFICULT TO RECOVER FROM A OVERSTEER/UNDERSTEER SITUATION IN A REAL CAR If you know what you’re doing.

It really depends. The car I race is a tiny, little, underpowered micro car, but *damn* it’s nervous. I spun on me in a matter of nanoseconds on a wet public road once. Funny thing is, in 3 years of flogging it hard in amateur rallies on tarmac, gravel, snow and combinations thereof it never happened again. True, it seemed to try a few times but I always caught it in time. I’d never expect such a s**tbox would demand so much respect from the driver
But it’s not a bad car: if you tickle it right, it simply dances. Wonderful feeling and a lot of fun.

ForzaBarca88:

b) ITS N0T THAT DIFFICULT TO RECOVER FROM A OVERSTEER/UNDERSTEER SITUATION IN A REAL CAR If you know what you’re doing. Which that driver in the video clearly does.

IRL you have depth perception, peripheral vision and g-forces. IRL you know how much load you are putting on a car through the turn and can feel it start to brake loose instantaneously. You get the ice effect in sims because you don’t sense a problem until it is almost to late. To be rid of the ice feel you would just have to dumb it down a little or have very gradual tire brake away. Which it looks like SMS has to some degree.

ForzaBarca88:
Now, im not gonna stick my neck out and say this is going to be gods gift to sim racers but there is absolutely nothing physically “miraculous” in that video, keeping in mind Shift’s un-natural sense of speed.

Well its the need for speed :)

Howie47:

I think you need to watch more real racing on TV or videos. You’ll see miraculous saves all the time. That’s why predictable “ice dancing”, physics, just aren’t realistic.

I am well aware of what can be saved in real life. I watch plenty of racing and have done a fair bit of track time myself but watching this video you can see a few times where the car almost recovers without him doing any work. There are times when he even has the car almost completely sideways with a rear wheel dropped and it recovers with very little input on the wheel and when it does recover it looks like doesn’t loose as much speed as it would in real life. But it is hard to tell simply watching a video. We will have to wait and see. I have a lot of confidence that Shift will be very capable. But out of the box I suspect it will not be a full sim. I mean come one, even the main stream gaming mags say it isn’t a full sim.

BTW, did I say anything about ice racing?

stabiz: If it happened all the time it wouldnt be a miracle. To me it looks a bit like Gran Turismo physics, in other words: miracles do happen.

Stop Balkking and start eating, “stabiz”. Or as an alternative punishment. Buy five copies and put them on the shelf. Just to encourage further games by this developer.

Just to point out there is a world of difference between GT4 and GT5P, anyone trying such antics in a 430 in GT5P would crash at the first corner, that’s if they haven’t already shot off into the barriers on the start/finish straight trying to put all the power down at once.

On the ice racing point, I do wonder if those who think that is realistic actually watch motorsport up close, if they did they’d see just how violent and roughly treated race cars are, curbs are part of the race track, unless they’re on slicks in a monsoon, they don’t shoot you off into the barriers.

stabiz:
If it happened all the time it wouldnt be a miracle. To me it looks a bit like Gran Turismo physics, in other words: miracles do happen.

How often do you actually see drivers spin out on their own accord? Not very often, and thats largely because
a) these guys have bloody amazing concentration
b) ITS N0T THAT DIFFICULT TO RECOVER FROM A OVERSTEER/UNDERSTEER SITUATION IN A REAL CAR If you know what you’re doing. Which that driver in the video clearly does.

Now, im not gonna stick my neck out and say this is going to be gods gift to sim racers but there is absolutely nothing physically “miraculous” in that video, keeping in mind Shift’s un-natural sense of speed.