scca1981:
You guys are hilarious. Remember these important details:
1. There are 3 modes including full simulation
2. The game is being made by the guys who brought you GTR/GTR2/GTL
3. Eero Piitulainen(Richard Burns Rally) is involved with the physics.
4. EA is the publisher not the developer.
5. Its not only coming to the consoles! There is a pc release!
6. EA did bring you SCGT and the F1 series games.
I can not believe how quick to judge everyone is. Yes EA has taken the NFS franchise the wrong way with the past couple releases, however the team behind this game is very impressive. I’m in no way a EA fanboy, but I do fully support the team working on this game. You CAN NOT judge the game by one simple trailer.

Well said.
Oh, also F1Racer, I would not call it a sim communtiy anymore.
It’s the same collection of “all sorts” on the internet. Dope smoking morons who think they know it all. And trash all the forums everywhere in every genre. It’s now the norm.

It’s really not worth wasting your breath.

Good luck SMS, really looking forward to Shift.

xilix:
NEWS FLASH: there’s already been hands on reviews, and the verdict is in. This is nothing more than a PGR/Forza type of game. FAR from anything they promised us. This video wasn’t what I needed to make my decision. Every single review described exactly what this game was like, and that is decidedly NOT a full on simulation, which is what EA promised. They swore up and down that it would be, and it’s not, they’re liars, and we’re disappointed. Why you think we don’t have a right to be mad, is beyond me. We aren’t close minded, we just know what we want, and we’re passionate about sim racing, unlike you.

And the selfish self-centredness continues.
Look, if NFSS turns out not to have a sim element in it then the only comeback you have on the makers is they said that it would. If its not sim enough for you then thats too bad. This game isnt being made personally for you.
And any hardcore simmer here that expects, after this is released, to show their friends all their sim-racing games and include a Need for Speed title in that is deluding themselves.
Who here is actually really expecting NFSS to be sitting on their shelf alongside, GTR, GTR2, GTL, RBR, rFactor and GTRE ?
Lets get some perspective here. This game is being coded for the mass market. We are an afterthought.
Whinging about NFSS being a hardcore sim is like an arcade player whinging over rFactor being too sim. It is what it is.

I live, breathe, eat, drink… I LOVE motorsports. It’s my life.

Your life eh ? Well unless you’re a real racing driver, it might be time to get out more. There’s a world out there.

And how dare you say that we think we’re the most important group, we’re the most ignored group! The sim genre is the smallest there is! So yeah, when we’re lied to, it stings!

Who is this ‘we’ you speak of ? Are you suddenly the community’s mouthpiece ?

I’ve been in the sim racing scene for over 12 years, and the contents of this thread, proves that this community is truly, truly falling apart. You’re so apathetic, and your comments prove it. If you like GRID, guess what buddy? WE DON’T CARE!!! Get OVER yourself! What we care about is getting just one damn next gen title that has some options that are in our court for once. How hard is it to make it a hardcore sim and then have assists and modes for the inept? Give me a BREAK!

Oh dear, more bad vibes. 12 years in the community eh ? :)
Ive been rendering racing cars longer than that.
The comments of this thread prove the community is falling apart ? LOL. Drama queen.
Sim racers are very opinionated people (as you prove), and some can be very hard to please, some will never be happy and others are grateful for anything we can get in such a niche genre.
Now Im all for abolishing political correctness but to refer to non sim racers as inept is a bit heavy. Where did that come from ? I reckon you’d have put retarded if you thought you could get away with it.

If games like this are the future of sim racing, then it looks like I’ll be finding a different hobby.

So much for that life of yours if you give up so easily.

Jeez man, calm down and…well…I was going to say wait until you sample it for yourself but its clear you have already made up your own mind based on the opinions of others who might have been looking to get an entirely different experience out of NFSS.

Again, if people are expecting NFSS to satisfy any hardcore sim lust that they have, then they’re setting themselves up for a fall I reckon. The main issue here is peoples expectations are set too high. Same will happen with CM’s F1-2009.
People talk as if these big game companies owe the sim-racing community something. Well, they dont !
This attitude of entitlement is too rampant these days.

I’m expecting NFSS to be a better drive than GRID, but not on par with GTR2 or GTRE. If Im wrong and it is as good or better, then thats an added bonus for me.

It’s also beyond me why you think I wrote anything of that sort. Besides, what? You think you have the right to tell me what I don’t have the right to think?

[i]We aren’t close minded, we just know what we want, and we’re passionate about sim racing, [b]unlike you[/b]. I live, breathe, eat, drink… I LOVE motorsports. It’s my life.[/i]

Whoa, you’re quick to judge.

[i]And your comment about us not ever racing is laughable, you don’t know me, or anyone here, and if you did, you’d see how wrong you are. Not only that, but it has absolutely nothing to do with us wanting an accurate sim.

I’ve been in the sim racing scene for over 12 years…[/i]

No, it’s YOU who is laughable, not only because of your apparent inability to read with comprehension but also because you don’t know ME.

[i]If you like GRID, guess what buddy? WE DON’T CARE!!! Get OVER yourself![/i]

Maybe it is you who should get over yourself? I wouldn’t care about your opinion either but you do seem to point fingers and insult me.

[i]If games like this are the future of sim racing, then it looks like I’ll be finding a different hobby[/i]

So, it’s a sim after all?

You’re right, I don’t know you but the emotional level of your post and your inability to understand what has been written seems to suggest an angry, 14 year old nerd. Your post exactly matches fanboys, just substitute a few words with a name of a band or a car make (usually something Japanese or German) and it’s the kind of post that makes people regret being in band/car make fan club.

[i]And how [b]dare[/b] you say…[/i]

Because I don’t live in China.

I might come off as grupmy but that’s because I raced my second car into ground recetly and there aren’t even any races I can work at (FIA marshal license). I guess you might have had a worse day too.

xilix:
NEWS FLASH: there’s already been hands on reviews, and the verdict is in. This is nothing more than a PGR/Forza type of game. FAR from anything they promised us. This video wasn’t what I needed to make my decision. Every single review described exactly what this game was like, and that is decidedly NOT a full on simulation, which is what EA promised. They swore up and down that it would be, and it’s not, they’re liars, and we’re disappointed.

What complete and utter tripe. About three PREviews have said anything of the sort. Just another completely and utterly baseless, kneejerk reaction, with a nice spot of drama thrown in for good measure. Let’s look at what we do know. Slightly Mad Studios is essentially Blimey! Games, the development team behind GTR 2, doing the the vast majority of development on GTR and GT Legends as well. Eero Piitulainen of RBR fame is fronting the physics team. There’s going to be multiple difficulty modes catering to the masses and hardcore alike. Again, it just comes down to how you define a “sim”. If it’s just realistic driving physics you’re after, then there’s no evidence suggesting that Shift won’t deliver in that regard.

And how dare you say that we think we’re the most important group, we’re the most ignored group! The sim genre is the smallest there is! So yeah, when we’re lied to, it stings!

And your comment about us not ever racing is laughable, you don’t know me, or anyone here, and if you did, you’d see how wrong you are. Not only that, but it has absolutely nothing to do with us wanting an accurate sim.

I’ve been in the sim racing scene for over 12 years, and the contents of this thread, proves that this community is truly, truly falling apart. You’re so apathetic, and your comments prove it. If you like GRID, guess what buddy? WE DON’T CARE!!! Get OVER yourself! What we care about is getting just one damn next gen title that has some options that are in our court for once. How hard is it to make it a hardcore sim and then have assists and modes for the inept? Give me a BREAK!

If games like this are the future of sim racing, then it looks like I’ll be finding a different hobby.

flowie: To put it simple: EA can’t afford releasing a NFS sim because there are not enough sim-racers.

That’s why they are offering both arcade and sim functionality in the game. To make money with the arcade thing, and then a little more by drawing in the sim-racing crowd as well

At 0:19, the cornering there looks pretty good, no unrealistic sliding and bouncing like GRID.

That is all.
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How people can make any judgments about the driving physics from a video showing nothing but a series of crashes is mind-boggling. When EA made this trailer I think it’s fair to say communities like this one were the LAST thing on their minds. I was never deluded enough to believe this was going to be a ’sim’ in the sense that the majority here would like. I’m still looking forward to a good pick-and-up-play type of game with driving physics to match. I really don’t understand how you can complain about the graphics either. It’s like there’s a whole new set of standards now.

It really is mind-boggling at how cynical and utterly close-minded the sim community can be at times. People complain about how comparitively small the sim community is, while simulataneously shunning anything and everything which doesn’t fit with their hopelessly rigid ideas of what a game should be. How quickly people are able to turn their noses up to something which is even remotely different is beyond belief. Yet somehow the sim community is seen to be ’superior’ to the mainstream, while everyday you see the same sort of comments which are every bit as ignorant and close-minded as those you’d see from your typical 12-year old console “fanboy”. When those Ferrari project screens were released a while back, I recall people crying “arcade” solely on the design of the HUD. It’s just laughable.

stabiz:
Thanks for being civil, and refraining from name calling.

You’re quite welcome. As much as you thought you were being sarcastic, you are quite right. I was civil and I did refrain from calling you names. My opinion of your posts isn’t name calling in case you were wondering.
“Soap box style”, I like that :)

Uff: Nice post there. If NFS Shift turns out to be nowhere near enjoyable or able to be passed off loosely as a sim (which technically it is as it does simulate race driving) then we can all listen to the ‘I told you so’s’ after.
But I still remember how good NFS: Porsche Unleashed was in its day. The best NFS in the series I reckon.
So with SMS at the helm, there is hope. AND…. if it turns out that it is just enhanced arcade, well too bad. Since when has NFS ever been geared for the hardcore simmer anyway ?
So I`d say, lets not expect too much yet and keep optimistic for now until we know different. Oh and ignore the marketing spiel :)
When all is said and done, some will like it, some won’t. Same as Burnout, same as GP Legends.

paupau:
From what i understand this is a comunity about pure sims not arcade like.

And it’s quite depressing to see how close minded the so called “sim community” can be: I’m not surprised if big companies ignores us completely (even if Codemasters’ words were encouraging: http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340638 ).
What amazes me is the reaction in front of this if compared to the new SimBin announcement: by now we see a NFS with a completely new engine that could be the base for the Ferrari Project too; it may be dumbed down, but it comes from a team who gave us some of the best sim we had the chance to try. On the other side we see the Swedish developer announcing 3rd expansion for Race 07, with an almost 4/ years old engine, some new cars and tracks and… what else? For sure it will be good to drive, but honestly it’s far from my concept of “evolution of the genre”. But there I read “amazing! Great! I will buy it for sure!”. It’s true, we are here because we share the pleasure of driving, but hasn’t the time come for a step forward?

What people should understand is that this NFS claims to be a simulation in a different way from the past, which is not what we are used to (and what we are usually looking for): Ian Bell underlined the feeling of being at the driving place, with g-force simulation and so on. They’re probably concentrating on the whole driving experience, not only on the physic side of it: this will probably end in a not-so-hardcore simulation, but it doesn’t mean that it won’t be able to provide a different view of our favourite genre.

F1Racer:

Oh brilliant comeback.
Are you saying that sim racers are similar to some of the hate filled, tribal, narrow-minded rabble that rant their irrelevant brainless drivel on football forums ? I think you scored an own goal there.
Thats a terrible analogy never mind that you totally missed the point. My quote there isn’t about comparing like for like, its about people judging things that they have not even tried yet.
At least try to understand what you’re reading before loading up with one of your typical witless and negative one-liners.

Thanks for being civil, and refraining from name calling. Oh wait … As for missing the point, that might be, if there is one hidden in your typical soap box-style wall of text.

scca1981:
You CAN NOT judge the game by one simple trailer.

I fully agree.

1. There are 3 modes including full simulation
2. The game is being made by the guys who brought you GTR/GTR2/GTL
3. Eero Piitulainen(Richard Burns Rally) is involved with the physics.
4. EA is the publisher not the developer.
5. Its not only coming to the consoles! There is a pc release!
6. EA did bring you SCGT and the F1 series games.

I can not believe how quick to judge everyone is. Yes EA has taken the NFS franchise the wrong way with the past couple releases, however the team behind this game is very impressive. I’m in no way a EA fanboy, but I do fully support the team working on this game. You CAN NOT judge the game by one simple trailer.

stabiz:
F1Racer, why dont you try going to the Liverpool FC forums and ask them to be a little bit less judgemental towards Manchester United?

Oh brilliant comeback.
Are you saying that sim racers are similar to some of the hate filled, tribal, narrow-minded rabble that rant their irrelevant brainless drivel on football forums ? I think you scored an own goal there.

Thats a terrible analogy never mind that you totally missed the point. My quote there isn’t about comparing like for like, its about people judging things that they have not even tried yet.
At least try to understand what you’re reading before loading up with one of your typical witless and negative one-liners.