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This is a serious question. Not looking to troll or anything, but am I alone in thinking drifting is stupid? Just curious what the general opinion among simmers is. I mean yes, drifting is FUN when you’re racing, but just drifting by itself seems idiotic to me. Yes, it needs finesse etc… But so does ice dancing, and that’s largely pointless.

Tiff and Jason can drift with style… but that’s what you can expect from world class drivers anyway.

Heh, just after I spend the whole day using the Oversteer 2.3 mod on rFactor trying to do AT LEAST 1 good lap of drifting. (Btw I failed, the whole thing still feels completely unnatural and unrealistically difficult)

Then I jump into the 55F1 and can have immensely more fun not only drifting but setting good lap times… it makes me wonder why I bother.

Then I remember NFS:Shift, hopefully our savour. Yes I so want to drift those modern custom setup drifting cars at extreme angles, but in rFactor I just can’t, it’s been blatantly hacked into drifting, LFS on the other hand was natural but very boring with no immersion and the only other game was Grid, obviously that’s stupid.

Please for the love of god let Shift be the holy grail. Physics Physics Physics! Oh and FFB.

Btw, why that drifting-dude use a controller? At least developers should have forced him to use proper wheel like G25…

Raikku: Btw, why that drifting-dude use a controller? At least developers should have forced him to use proper wheel like G25…

because its not a sim, its getting way over hyped for something so near to grid…

UncleChuckle:
This is a serious question. Not looking to troll or anything, but am I alone in thinking drifting is stupid? Just curious what the general opinion among simmers is. I mean yes, drifting is FUN when you’re racing, but just drifting by itself seems idiotic to me. Yes, it needs finesse etc… But so does ice dancing, and that’s largely pointless.

you dont know what you are saying dude drifting is highly more complex than racing , more fun , more spectacular etc etc

This video is a joke ? Or i just saw a guy talking drifting in NFS Shift playing with a gamepad ?

PS : Drift is gay

This video made me realize how crappy this joke of a “sim” will be. This guy just blew the doors off of their bs marketing campaign. The developers literally took physics advice from a drifter with a gamepad in his hand!! Not even a proper racer. So this may be “realistic” in the context of the driving found in grand theft auto on your xbox360, but when it comes to real sims, this will be another pretty arcade game.

Ironic… their promo vid just cost them a buyer and I suspect many more like me on this forum.

Ha… I needed a good laugh today.. thanks!

maxs:

you dont know what you are saying dude drifting is highly more complex than racing , more fun , more spectacular etc etc

Shum94:
This video is a joke ? Or i just saw a guy talking drifting in NFS Shift playing with a gamepad ?
PS : Drift is gay

yes I drift with gamepad in Forza2/GT5P because its hard for me to do it in a G25 … but I dont care .. I just want a new game .. I’m sick of those out-dated PC racing games .. they aren’t fun anymore

From what I’ve been reading about this game, it will feature two tier physics- the arcade one that will be based on the 120hz physics engine (or thread) and the one closer to being a simulation with physics engine running at a much higher 420hz. With the arcade physics being easier to nail, it’s up and running and was the built shown at this year’s E3. SMS is putting the finishing touch to the more realistic one. But I guess that too is coming along fine because the release date has been moved two weeks earlier than what was originally announced (Sept 7 or 8 as oppose to the end of Sept.)

Oh boy, I was expecting comments like from superapex on this one.

UncleChuckle:
This is a serious question. Not looking to troll or anything, but am I alone in thinking drifting is stupid? Just curious what the general opinion among simmers is. I mean yes, drifting is FUN when you’re racing, but just drifting by itself seems idiotic to me. Yes, it needs finesse etc… But so does ice dancing, and that’s largely pointless.

Why do people climb mountains? Why do people race for hours on end just to improve their time by .0001 of a second? Why are there cake making competitions on TV? Hot dog eating contests?

No your not alone with your thoughts on drifting, I get that feedback all the time, I love drifting, but I know some people, such as yourself, just don’t understand it. I do alot that, I guess, “normal” people don’t understand and get the same attitude from them that you have towards drifting. “Why do you do it?” they ask. “its dumb/lame/pointless/its just destruction/etc” I’ve heard it all, and none of that negativity phases those of use who enjoy doing what we love. I rollerblade, I also skateboard, play basketball, drift in games and when I can in real life, I also play fps games competitively, I am also an artist, I love to do hotlaps in racing games, I do those things because those things are fun to me, and I can always improve, there isn’t a skill limit on any of those things, they require skill, some require good timing, good coordination, good ambidexterity, and fast reflexes, and there is always a challenge, and you are constantly pushing yourself to do better.

As far as drifting in games, sometimes its really hard to link several corners together, and it can amass to hours of practice just to chain drift certain corners. The same way I practice for races is the same way I practice drifting, and I enjoy both, and have fun doing both, knowing that they are completely different.

But to put it simply is that where ever there is a challenge, there will always be someone who wants to take on that challenge, you thinking that something is stupid doesn’t really matter. You might not appreciate the subtle things in each individual skill required, or even the end result, but there are many people who do, like wise there are many people who don’t care. Oh well its their loss.

Hope I shed some light for you.

Anyways I can’t wait to try the demo out.

Alright people, first of all: We don’t know if he was in the ‘Full Sim’ mode (is that even going to be available in the console versions?).

Second, you can not just say ‘Drifting is stupid’. That would mean that what you are saying is the truth and can not be anything else. What people should say is something like this: ‘I don’t like drifting, I think it’s stupid’ It doesn’t matter really, as long as you talk about your own freaking opinion.

Also, how come people are just saying this game will be BS. How can you possibly know, you haven’t played the game yet, you even haven’t seen a full in-game (Sim Mode) video.

This reminds me of GTR Evo ‘discussion’; months before the release people were already moaning that it would be s**t, and some said it would be so good. As I did then, and as I do know, I tell you: YOU CAN NOT KNOW AT THIS MOMENT. WAIT FOR THE RELEASE (of the demo).

Thank you!

Drifting is not stupid, & the only game i can do it is in Richard Burns Rally :)

Drifting is not stupid unless u do it on the Moon……

I’ve never got into drifting either. Its such an unnatural thing to be doing with a car. When racing, if you catch a nice drift or slide now and again it can be satisfying, but only because you saved yourself from spinning.
But to be doing it all the time… I don’t get that at all. Just me I guess, Im programmed to go forward as fast as possible, not sideways.

Anyway… for that guy to say “it made me realise it was more than just a video game” while at the same time using a gamepad… well that kinda blew away some credibility for me.
When I had my XBox, I used to drive Forza 2 with a gamepad (its all I had) and it was so unsatisfying. I could manage but it was like eating soup with chopsticks.

Anyway, this guy using a gamepad doesn’t necessarily mean Shift is not going to be a good drive on PC with a wheel. Not at all. Doesn’t mean its any more of an arcade racer because it takes gamepad input either. I mean who here thought Shift wouldn’t have a gamepad option (especially on a console).
rFactor can use the keyboard and thats worse than a gamepad.
Some of todays arcade racers have better physics than the last generation of sims so either way, Shift is going to be some fun racing. I’ll leave my serious hat for rFactor 2.

The smoke looks very nice

I myself dont see why people Drift. Ive done drifting in a few racing games and dont think its fun. I dont mean any offence to those who do like to drift but I personaly think its a waste of time. I am hoping that NFS Shift is more a racing game than a game that can be called NFS Drift.

I think drift is just a part of sport that is down to complete perfection. I also havent played any race sim as of yet that can top Live For Speed when it comes to drifting.

this is really funny .. they said GT5 sucks Forza3 sucks Shift is BS.. whats good then..? lol

“This is who I am, I’m a drifter… it’s a lifestyle, it’s what I live, breathe for… eyc.”
Wow, this guy needs his head checked. Typical idiot speak. Or maybe he realy is a DRIFTER (tramp).

I’m split on the issue of drifting.
On one side, I absolutely despise the flashy tackiness and stupidity of it all: stupid looking cars, stupid fans (dRFt izz bettAh thUN r4CeiNG, dAwGGG!!!11!), stupid entourages that sorround the whole drift thing. That and higher costs than club racing (cars really take a punding in drifitng) prevents me from thinking about taking up competition drifitng in real life in the future.
On the other, competition (tandem) drifitng actually seems to make sense and I have no doubts whatsoever it must be tremendous fun.

There’s also the problem I’ve never been able to drift in any sim…

Shum94:
This video is a joke ? Or i just saw a guy talking drifting in NFS Shift playing with a gamepad ?
PS : Drift is gay

I will never understand any Racegamer with using a Gamepad !
Thats so unlogical and stupid.
In these Times where the Wheel Market is so intensive, innovative, where hundrets of Companys build Simulators and and and…then using a Gamepad for any RacingGame, that is really gay !

Im getting always speachless if i must watch a Promo Video from a Racegame and then the “Buddie” use a Pad and will tell us something from DrivingExperiences !

Hahahahah !

“Elvis is still alive”
Holger

If you think drifting is stupid, follow the link:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/

I don’t care about drifting, why should you have a special mode for something that is just a skill? It’s like driving a bicycle with stability wheels on the side and making engine sound with your mouth.. childish

And this video is making some serious marketing points:
1. That cool dude, was helping with the game.
2. They had an engineer to help him.
3. They spent 100 hours on the whole physics engine.
4. You can really feel like you’re drifting, with any PS3/XBOX360 or PC compatible controller/keyboard.
5. Drifting is not stupid, it’s a lifestyle.
6. NFS Shift is not a video game, it’s for real!

This shift will sell like there were no tomorrow.

EA game development budget planning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqugg-br0Cw

I’ve also seen a video where a developer guy, (the one that you see in most vids talking marketing stuff) saying how important it is to drive the game with a FFB wheel since it will get you much more immersed in feeling how your car drives.

so I think they definately will make some good ffb for this game.

Nothing but a waste of rubber!

You can drive a sim using a wheel or gamepad so long as the game has been tailored to those controller’s, which is possible on standardised console hardware.

I can drive with a gamepad in GT5P, but it’s a less involving experience than using a wheel, and in my case, slower.

Some of you need to sit back a bit, it’s marketing. It made me excited, so it worked.

The drifting guy… does he really talk in carefully structured bollocks to normal people? I don’t think so, it’s for the drifting kids who will buy this game.

What if they just needed a shot of him playing the game amongst an interview, “here, take this controller and drift in the game for the camera”

What if he used a G25? Then we get people wondering if they have to buy the wheel just to enjoy the game, it’s puts it’s plug-and-play-ability to question, etc. EA will never endorse anything else apart from what they are selling or partnered with, sure they can put that stuff in the readme, they’ve just got to be extremely careful what goes to the mainstream.

Vaughn Gitten is a well respected drifter and has won many competitions including Formula D drift series championship and D1.

Drifting only sucks when it is in American games or games with “drift mode” where you are forced to drift for points, and they typically tweak the physics so anyone can easily drift by smashing on the gas and turning left or right.

I used to love drifting, esp the japanese sport, but it has sadly become soo hyped and used as a marketing tool for the masses of fanboys to buy into these games, it just ruins it for me. When grid came out, my local car club and friends where raving about how awesome drifting was in that game.

Didn’t Ian Bell (or someone) say before that there are no separate physics for the drift mode, but the cars will be set up for drifting like in real life?

Actually Drifting is for those that think doing hotlaps is pointless and also for those that just want to have some fun, and also for those that like to do hotlaps and drifting.

Doesnt that make sense? ^^

GTEvo:

I will never understand any Racegamer with using a Gamepad !
Thats so unlogical and stupid.
In these Times where the Wheel Market is so intensive, innovative, where hundrets of Companys build Simulators and and and…then using a Gamepad for any RacingGame, that is really gay !
Im getting always speachless if i must watch a Promo Video from a Racegame and then the “Buddie” use a Pad and will tell us something from DrivingExperiences !
Hahahahah !
“Elvis is still alive”
Holger

Not everyone has the money for a wheel and not everybody has something to clamp their wheel onto or the space for a cockpit. Yes theres things you can buy so you can sit on your couch with a wheel but their almost the same price of a good wheel. I would have rathered he use a wheel also but a lot of people will be playing the game on a console with a controller.

I play Forza 2 and GT5P with a gamepad but I play rfactor and GTR 2 with a wheel. Basically the Forza and GT series are kind of like sim-lites for me, I play them to mellow out. Getting a wheel out for one is kind of like getting out the good wine glasses for the box of wine you just bought at walmart IMO of course.

I don’t know well SHIFT is going to be with gamepad but with Forza2, you’re more likely to be faster with a gamepad than you would with a wheel. GT5P on the other hand is always faster with a wheel (in Pro mode) than you are with gamepad.

mikem:
I don’t know well SHIFT is going to be with gamepad but with Forza2, you’re more likely to be faster with a gamepad than you would with a wheel. GT5P on the other hand is always faster with a wheel (in Pro mode) than you are with gamepad.

Nope and this doesn’t have a thing to do with physics. In fact when Turn 10 invited the top Forza players to Le Mans all used a wheel except for one. The problem is that almost every wheel available for the 360 just sucks. There’s one really good fanatec wheel available that is superior to the g25 but it’s too expensive for most players. Thus most players use a controller and have learned to “deal with it.”

Also the xbox 360 controller is far superior for driving games than the dual shock is for ps3. It’s no G25 but I can at least be competitive with it.