Sensekhmet: NASCAR 2003 not a hardcore sim? Man, quit the weed.

NASCAR 2003 is of course a hardcore sim but it does have an arcade mode, the option of aids, and was a relatively mass market title reputed to have sold 400,000 copies which puts iRacings 10,000 subscribers into perspective.

Howie47: Both those games were made to appeal to the mass market of the prospective racing series. They weren’t created to be hardcore simulators. Which proves my first intention. (games) that were geared for and targeted at mass appeal audiences have brought moreSim innovation, then hardcore Sim’s that are made for hardcore Simmers.

NASCAR 2003 not a hardcore sim? Man, quit the weed.

Tvensky: well Gran Turismo 1 (first one) is released in 1998 and it was created 5 years (just like new GT5)tell me guys.. which of yours sim’s… on the PC is created in 1993 (when GT started to build) or at least 1998… don’t know any proper driving game in that period…some of you are talking about we were first etc. stuff… i love PC sims.. but they are cheap as hell.. and totally not sims, just because they simulate all the little details and dials.. and tire wear and deformation and and… etc… they just dont simulate nothing.. its all just for fun.. on all platforms.. in the whole world.. there are no proper simulation racing! nothing can compare to the real deal proper racing….all this virtual stuff is just for learning the right proper settings for cars, driving lines, tracks, learn about cars itself… but the driving isn’t as real… it just gives you some advantages..cheers!

What… is… wrong… with… you…?

Howie47: Both those games were made to appeal to the mass market of the prospective racing series. They weren’t created to be hardcore simulators. Which proves my first intention. (games) that were geared for and targeted at mass appeal audiences have brought moreSim innovation, then hardcore Sim’s that are made for hardcore Simmers.

Essentially, there aren’t even any hardcore sims available on the market then, except for netKar Pro.

jux: That’s completely false. Or perhaps you lump all sims by Crammond and Kaemmer to the “made for the mass media” group. They were the innovators and creators of the sim genre, and in their time the games were considered both innovative and up to date technologically (at least up to GP2 and NR2003). Of course they also sold millions of copies due to the big marketing budgets and official partnerships with F1 and NASCAR.

Both those games were made to appeal to the mass market of the prospective racing series. They weren’t created to be hardcore simulators. Which proves my first intention. (games) that were geared for and targeted at mass appeal audiences have brought more Sim innovation, then hardcore Sim’s that are made for hardcore Simmers.

Tvensky: well Gran Turismo 1 (first one) is released in 1998 and it was created 5 years (just like new GT5)tell me guys.. which of yours sim’s… on the PC is created in 1993 (when GT started to build) or at least 1998… don’t know any proper driving game in that period…some of you are talking about we were first etc. stuff… i love PC sims.. but they are cheap as hell.. and totally not sims, just because they simulate all the little details and dials.. and tire wear and deformation and and… etc… they just dont simulate nothing.. its all just for fun.. on all platforms.. in the whole world.. there are no proper simulation racing! nothing can compare to the real deal proper racing….all this virtual stuff is just for learning the right proper settings for cars, driving lines, tracks, learn about cars itself… but the driving isn’t as real… it just gives you some advantages..cheers!

It is clear that you have no idea what the word ‘simulation’ means.
It’s not about comparing it to the real deal.
Maybe look up the work ‘simulation’ and understand it before making nonsense statements like these.

Tvensky: well Gran Turismo 1 (first one) is released in 1998 and it was created 5 years (just like new GT5)tell me guys.. which of yours sim’s… on the PC is created in 1993 (when GT started to build) or at least 1998…

Grand Prix 2 by Geoff Crammond/Microprose was released in 1995, Grand Prix Legends by David Kaemmer/Papyrus in 1998.

Arguing about whether any game is truly a simulator is useless. The same kind of software titles that people use at home for fun are used by professional racing teams for training. Of course they aren’t as real as the real thing. That’s why they are called simulations.

tell me guys.. which of yours sim’s… on the PC is created in 1993 (when GT started to build) or at least 1998… don’t know any proper driving game in that period…

some of you are talking about we were first etc. stuff… i love PC sims.. but they are cheap as hell.. and totally not sims, just because they simulate all the little details and dials.. and tire wear and deformation and and… etc… they just dont simulate nothing.. its all just for fun.. on all platforms.. in the whole world.. there are no proper simulation racing! nothing can compare to the real deal proper racing….

all this virtual stuff is just for learning the right proper settings for cars, driving lines, tracks, learn about cars itself… but the driving isn’t as real… it just gives you some advantages..

cheers!

kill4f00d: The very first in the series was “Road & Track Presents: The Need for Speed”. Here is a link to the demo with screenshots and video.http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/the-need-for-speed/To run it properly on a modern PC, you need an MS-Dos emulator named “DOSbox”.

OR playing it through a PSX emulator like ePSXe.

Howie47:
Almost all the greatest innovation in racing games has come from games made for the mass media.Hardcore Sim’s always seem to be a couple of generations behind.

That’s completely false. Or perhaps you lump all sims by Crammond and Kaemmer to the “made for the mass media” group. They were the innovators and creators of the sim genre, and in their time the games were considered both innovative and up to date technologically (at least up to GP2 and NR2003). Of course they also sold millions of copies due to the big marketing budgets and official partnerships with F1 and NASCAR.

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TuPP3: Same here, I still have the original box of that game in great shape :)I loved those bet your car races :DI was excpecting huge sells like this as I have seen around hour of NFS commercials on TV, shouting out loud IGN 9.0 review score… I wonder why they didn’t mention Gamespot score

Check other gamespot scores…Gamespot can sometimes be very harsh with the scores.

Check Need for Speed Pro Street score… 6.5 for PC and xbox and 7.0 for PS3 thats the same score they gave to Shift…well Shift has all the stuff of Pro Street plus cockpits, real tracks, better physics, better everything..

How competent gamespot is ^^

Howie47:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlX3XZbNR_0

quote from youtube user:

“OMG I’ve got the same card but performs much worser ,like when theres too many cars around it dips below 25fps ,what the hell ! Anyway I couldn’t see clearly your video but is it 1920X1200 AA4X everything highest vsync off?”

exactly the same problem as me and that vidcard is much faster then mine.

Mr. A:
+1I loved that game!

Same here, I still have the original box of that game in great shape :)
I loved those bet your car races :D

I was excpecting huge sells like this as I have seen around hour of NFS commercials on TV, shouting out loud IGN 9.0 review score… I wonder why they didn’t mention Gamespot score