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		<title>By: Chonkster</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-31441</link>
		<dc:creator>Chonkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seen this coming from before it happened. Some asshole company trying to make off the backs of others....i stunk to me from the moment i seen the new site announced. Nothing good could come of it. They seen how much support as a game it had, and tried to cotton onto its coat tails. When will they ever learn that the commercial bs just makes core sim lovers run in disgust. I hope they fail dismally. This is the world we live in.....stop the world, i want to get off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seen this coming from before it happened. Some asshole company trying to make off the backs of others&#8230;.i stunk to me from the moment i seen the new site announced. Nothing good could come of it. They seen how much support as a game it had, and tried to cotton onto its coat tails. When will they ever learn that the commercial bs just makes core sim lovers run in disgust. I hope they fail dismally. This is the world we live in&#8230;..stop the world, i want to get off.</p>
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		<title>By: Blastcom</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-31043</link>
		<dc:creator>Blastcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-24716&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-24716&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SLN&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I’m still a bit unsure about this in-house IP for paid races … will it be top quality? What if a mod group releases a top notch mod which EVERYONE wants to race? Would the in-house dev team create something similar? ‘Based’ on the mod in question?There’s just too many grey areas for me right now to form a decent idea about this new project. Either way, I hope you can accept the skepticism from a number of big names in the modding community.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Simraceway has a deposit system for money and creates an account but no withdrawl.
The only winner will be simraceway.
People need to be aware of this site and it&#039;s intentions for the community.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-24716" rel="nofollow">SLN</a></strong>: I’m still a bit unsure about this in-house IP for paid races … will it be top quality? What if a mod group releases a top notch mod which EVERYONE wants to race? Would the in-house dev team create something similar? ‘Based’ on the mod in question?There’s just too many grey areas for me right now to form a decent idea about this new project. Either way, I hope you can accept the skepticism from a number of big names in the modding community.
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<p>Simraceway has a deposit system for money and creates an account but no withdrawl.<br />
The only winner will be simraceway.<br />
People need to be aware of this site and it&#8217;s intentions for the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Blastcom</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-31041</link>
		<dc:creator>Blastcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad site run by bad people!

Modders please boycott!!

Don&#039;t allow to be exploited for your talent!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad site run by bad people!</p>
<p>Modders please boycott!!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t allow to be exploited for your talent!!!</p>
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		<title>By: felipe</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-25403</link>
		<dc:creator>felipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great!</p>
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		<title>By: cosm1</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-25060</link>
		<dc:creator>cosm1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a talk with Jonathan Aswell from SRW and i have been a clarification about the new site. Well, in this moment i don&#039;t have reasons to boycott SRW, so our mod will be released as normal on rfc/srw, BUT if SRW continues like rfc on last months (illegal conversions, stolen works etc..) our mods will be not show in this site.
RPMT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a talk with Jonathan Aswell from SRW and i have been a clarification about the new site. Well, in this moment i don&#8217;t have reasons to boycott SRW, so our mod will be released as normal on rfc/srw, BUT if SRW continues like rfc on last months (illegal conversions, stolen works etc..) our mods will be not show in this site.<br />
RPMT</p>
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		<title>By: mrblue</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24843</link>
		<dc:creator>mrblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rFCentral.net anyone?  :happy:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rFCentral.net anyone?  <img src='http://www.virtualr.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':happy:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SLN</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24716</link>
		<dc:creator>SLN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still a bit unsure about this in-house IP for paid races ... will it be top quality? What if a mod group releases a top notch mod which EVERYONE wants to race? Would the in-house dev team create something similar? &#039;Based&#039; on the mod in question?

There&#039;s just too many grey areas for me right now to form a decent idea about this new project. Either way, I hope you can accept the skepticism from a number of big names in the modding community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still a bit unsure about this in-house IP for paid races &#8230; will it be top quality? What if a mod group releases a top notch mod which EVERYONE wants to race? Would the in-house dev team create something similar? &#8216;Based&#8217; on the mod in question?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just too many grey areas for me right now to form a decent idea about this new project. Either way, I hope you can accept the skepticism from a number of big names in the modding community.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomas Custom-8.dk</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24713</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomas Custom-8.dk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how SRW now seem to be backing off on the issue regarding &#039;money-races&#039; and say that they will ONLY use their own mods/tracks for this. However also admiting to the fact that RFC did use different mods for the early &#039;test-races&#039; to find out which format would work the best for the biggest amount of people.

You have to be really ignorant, not to see where this where going. And surely they give ud the same story about all payments beeing spend on prizes and fairly high expenses - sure...  :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how SRW now seem to be backing off on the issue regarding &#8216;money-races&#8217; and say that they will ONLY use their own mods/tracks for this. However also admiting to the fact that RFC did use different mods for the early &#8216;test-races&#8217; to find out which format would work the best for the biggest amount of people.</p>
<p>You have to be really ignorant, not to see where this where going. And surely they give ud the same story about all payments beeing spend on prizes and fairly high expenses &#8211; sure&#8230;  <img src='http://www.virtualr.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dahie</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24700</link>
		<dc:creator>Dahie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@crobol: 
You can&#039;t license work which is based on content for which you do not have a license. In our case, we don&#039;t hold any Series-licenses, so we can&#039;t put them under a valid CC-license.

I think cypherpunks01 summarized it quite well:
http://getsatisfaction.com/simracewaycom/topics/mod_ip_and_rights_management#reply_1283963

@BSR-WiX
What was the problem in your case? Is there no specific license for your country or invalidates country&#039;s copyright law the license? Otherwise I wouldn&#039;t know why you couldn&#039;t object. I&#039;m curious…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@crobol:<br />
You can&#8217;t license work which is based on content for which you do not have a license. In our case, we don&#8217;t hold any Series-licenses, so we can&#8217;t put them under a valid CC-license.</p>
<p>I think cypherpunks01 summarized it quite well:<br />
<a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/simracewaycom/topics/mod_ip_and_rights_management#reply_1283963" rel="nofollow">http://getsatisfaction.com/simracewaycom/topics/mod_ip_and_rights_management#reply_1283963</a></p>
<p>@BSR-WiX<br />
What was the problem in your case? Is there no specific license for your country or invalidates country&#8217;s copyright law the license? Otherwise I wouldn&#8217;t know why you couldn&#8217;t object. I&#8217;m curious…</p>
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		<title>By: beatnik</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24682</link>
		<dc:creator>beatnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I haven&#039;t seen this much bickering since I complained about another OW mod lol.  Bottom line is this, if Modders don&#039;t want their stuff on SRW or rFc...that&#039;s their perogative...it WILL hurt their exposure, but if SRW turns out to try and profit in any way or form, then I&#039;m sure these modders might try fight, but unless they created everything themselves 100% which I highly doubt...everything to the grass textures.

I want there to be a peaceful end to this debate as much as anyone...but until SRW launches, the unknowns will continue.  In the end I want to say I am all for furthering rFc&#039;s envolvement with the community and I can only hope it is for the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I haven&#8217;t seen this much bickering since I complained about another OW mod lol.  Bottom line is this, if Modders don&#8217;t want their stuff on SRW or rFc&#8230;that&#8217;s their perogative&#8230;it WILL hurt their exposure, but if SRW turns out to try and profit in any way or form, then I&#8217;m sure these modders might try fight, but unless they created everything themselves 100% which I highly doubt&#8230;everything to the grass textures.</p>
<p>I want there to be a peaceful end to this debate as much as anyone&#8230;but until SRW launches, the unknowns will continue.  In the end I want to say I am all for furthering rFc&#8217;s envolvement with the community and I can only hope it is for the best.</p>
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		<title>By: BSR-WiX</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24679</link>
		<dc:creator>BSR-WiX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess we would not need money at all , that would be a disaster for the modding heritage. but a good clear policy would do for most i guess.

&lt;even more.. the minute a modder makes money with a mod , the mod is by law illegal, and would not be tollerated by the original copyright owners of the brands we use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess we would not need money at all , that would be a disaster for the modding heritage. but a good clear policy would do for most i guess.</p>
<p>&lt;even more.. the minute a modder makes money with a mod , the mod is by law illegal, and would not be tollerated by the original copyright owners of the brands we use.</p>
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		<title>By: F1Racer</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24647</link>
		<dc:creator>F1Racer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive my ignorance, but if its pay-to-drive, is those monies to cover running costs and prize money ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my ignorance, but if its pay-to-drive, is those monies to cover running costs and prize money ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tomas Custom-8.dk</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24642</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomas Custom-8.dk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe only solution is for modders to unite in a league-system where they would be the one to profit for a fund, making potential lawsuits afordable in case of copyright violations.

Just a thought..  :idea:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe only solution is for modders to unite in a league-system where they would be the one to profit for a fund, making potential lawsuits afordable in case of copyright violations.</p>
<p>Just a thought..  <img src='http://www.virtualr.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_idea.gif' alt=':idea:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Floptickle</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24638</link>
		<dc:creator>Floptickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, Official Rep, replied 1 day ago
Hi All,

There seems to be an emerging belief that simraceway will be charging for mods or “profiteering”, in some way, from modders work. So I wanted to clarify that’s absolutely not the case and in any scenario would be illegal!

We did confirm this a whiles back (see below original post 25days ago) however, we’re aware some important sim bloggers are also now expressing these concerns (Although, strangely they didn&#039;t contact us for comment) , so wanted to reiterate the point to allay concerns.

We’re pretty slammed at the moment with the build of the new site and really want to focus on delivering a solid evolution of rfc. However, once we’re there we’d be flattered to talk about the details of the new site with any interested sim news sites (if you’re one do shoot me a mail! - jh@simraceway.com).

Jonathan

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Jonathan, Official Rep, replied 25 days ago

Hi RG,
We&#039;re a little mystified by this comment and are unsure of its origins - we&#039;ve made no statement that suggests simraceway will be monetizing modders work.

In fact this would be the antithesis of simraceway.com�s design so we hope you�ll reserve full judgment until the sites release.

Jonathan

source: http://getsatisfaction.com/simraceway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, Official Rep, replied 1 day ago<br />
Hi All,</p>
<p>There seems to be an emerging belief that simraceway will be charging for mods or “profiteering”, in some way, from modders work. So I wanted to clarify that’s absolutely not the case and in any scenario would be illegal!</p>
<p>We did confirm this a whiles back (see below original post 25days ago) however, we’re aware some important sim bloggers are also now expressing these concerns (Although, strangely they didn&#8217;t contact us for comment) , so wanted to reiterate the point to allay concerns.</p>
<p>We’re pretty slammed at the moment with the build of the new site and really want to focus on delivering a solid evolution of rfc. However, once we’re there we’d be flattered to talk about the details of the new site with any interested sim news sites (if you’re one do shoot me a mail! &#8211; <a href="mailto:jh@simraceway.com">jh@simraceway.com</a>).</p>
<p>Jonathan</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Jonathan, Official Rep, replied 25 days ago</p>
<p>Hi RG,<br />
We&#8217;re a little mystified by this comment and are unsure of its origins &#8211; we&#8217;ve made no statement that suggests simraceway will be monetizing modders work.</p>
<p>In fact this would be the antithesis of simraceway.com�s design so we hope you�ll reserve full judgment until the sites release.</p>
<p>Jonathan</p>
<p>source: <a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/simraceway.." rel="nofollow">http://getsatisfaction.com/simraceway..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Floptickle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floptickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sensekhmet</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24625</link>
		<dc:creator>Sensekhmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BSR-WiX, that is worrying. The matter seems complicated enough to require a copyright lawyer... and which mod team would be able to afford that?  :weird:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BSR-WiX, that is worrying. The matter seems complicated enough to require a copyright lawyer&#8230; and which mod team would be able to afford that?  <img src='http://www.virtualr.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif' alt=':weird:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BSR-WiX</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24623</link>
		<dc:creator>BSR-WiX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-24616&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-24616&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;crackhat&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
Can any modders tell me how money is being made? are you mods being sold for hosting?

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Its not the momey making, that concerns me , but the legal rights issue.
in 2003 i put up some of my music tracks ( i was a forrmer freelance producer) up for free under a Creative common license, stating that i only granted download for personal listening and for no commercial use. After one year i found the tracks on a documentary DVD. After complaining and trying my limited legal support, i got to hear that by digitally signing the licence, by law i had legally put my files in puclic domain. as long as i did not legally proof that they actually benefitted from my music tracks, they could do whatever they wanted. the fact that this could happen with a mod you worked on day and night, worries me the most.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-24616" rel="nofollow">crackhat</a></strong>:<br />
Can any modders tell me how money is being made? are you mods being sold for hosting?</p>
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<p>Its not the momey making, that concerns me , but the legal rights issue.<br />
in 2003 i put up some of my music tracks ( i was a forrmer freelance producer) up for free under a Creative common license, stating that i only granted download for personal listening and for no commercial use. After one year i found the tracks on a documentary DVD. After complaining and trying my limited legal support, i got to hear that by digitally signing the licence, by law i had legally put my files in puclic domain. as long as i did not legally proof that they actually benefitted from my music tracks, they could do whatever they wanted. the fact that this could happen with a mod you worked on day and night, worries me the most.</p>
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		<title>By: crobol</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24620</link>
		<dc:creator>crobol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why modder don&#039;t add a Creative Commons License to all his work?

[url=http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/][img]http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-sa/3.0/88x31.png[/img][/url]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why modder don&#8217;t add a Creative Commons License to all his work?</p>
<p>[url=http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/][img]http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-sa/3.0/88&#215;31.png[/img][/url]</p>
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		<title>By: CoDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No money is made with the mods as there host events where you have to pay to drive. This is a commercial use and even if modders said that their mods shouldn&#039;t be used for those events rfc/race.me just ignored it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No money is made with the mods as there host events where you have to pay to drive. This is a commercial use and even if modders said that their mods shouldn&#8217;t be used for those events rfc/race.me just ignored it.</p>
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		<title>By: crackhat</title>
		<link>http://www.virtualr.net/modders-to-boycott-simraceway/comment-page-3#comment-24616</link>
		<dc:creator>crackhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.virtualr.net/?p=4949#comment-24616</guid>
		<description>Can any modders tell me how money is being made? are you mods being sold for hosting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can any modders tell me how money is being made? are you mods being sold for hosting?</p>
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