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How about crediting Massive Attack, when you are using their brilliant tunes while advertising for a product you’re earning money with?

i think the teamshould concentrate less on overpriced data displays and more on making the many wip mods that have been there for ages
i remember they said there would be a btcc 98 mod mounths ago and there has been no news since

ah yes, its MMG so you automatically assume the right to moan, whinge and complain. Business as usual then.
It’s all getting a bit old and tired now though.

To the topic in hand, I gotta get me one of these things as soon as the proper G25 mount becomes available. Before this I was going to go for the CXC one but this is far superior.

Nah it’s just a question of rights and respect…

I’d get one of these as well, if they ever drop a bit in price… Or I start earning some more money :)

Clever idea. Remains to see how viable it is for a totally useless race sim appendage showing something displayed on screen anyway (for free).

This looks sooooooooo good!

Has it a mounting kit for the G25? that it fits standardly?

only possible via internet to order it?
when it’s 50euro’s ill buy it immediatly, but for now i will wait(summer). Need to earn me some extra cash!

@ Mad Man
Don’t worry, this unit is developed by a totally new team so any lost of concentration on mods developing…

@ jonelsorel
I fully agree with you man, it’s totally useless !
Like beer, red wine, mojto, race cars, women, soccer, basktball, tennis, rF, the wheels and all these things…
But i can get oxygene without these things, so yes are totally useless ! lol
:)

Ah, MMG is spreading itself even thinner so WIP mods for rFactor might get released before rFactor 3 goes on sale. Huzzah!

Or is MMG trying to raise more revenue so it can hire even more modders to publicly berate any rFactor community member who thinks there’s even the slightest problem with one of their infrequent mod releases?

Inquiring minds want to know …

i would not call it useless. i just don’t have use for it

Paul, maybe you should give your so-called inquiring mind some more practice.
Do you think the mod makers are the ones who have produced this hardware and have stopped work to do so ?
The manufacture and sale of this device doesnt affect the mods progress in the slightest.

You say infrequent mod releases as if they are expected to be constantly rolling them out for you. Be grateful for what you have already – it hasn’t cost you a damn penny.

If what this device does, came on the wheel already people would be loving it so don’t dish out this ‘useless’ crap.
Its not just going to be for rFactor either remember.

Looks pretty sweet I’m interested for sure. Oh wait its MMG, scratch that.

No seriously, I was interested until I saw the price…….a little steep imo.

F1Racer:

Bottom line: No mod group overpromises and underdelivers like MMG. Every time I see promotion of an MMG mod or product I think of a 12-year-old screaming “FIRE!” in a crowded theater.

There are countless modding groups that quietly go about their work, release a mod without fanfare and then accept constructive criticism from the community with grace and appreciation.

MMG is not one of those groups, so pardon my cynicism.

Well fair enough Paul, but that doesn’t automatically translate that this hardware product isn’t any good. It’s a totally different issue.
Besides I don’t think they under-delivered with MMG F1 2007 V2.1 mod.
No matter how much they over-promise or under-deliver with mods, this hardware is there, its real, its done and you get one if you pay for one. Its not fair to criticise that based on their mod marketing skills.
I may hate Sony Vegas Studio software but it doesn’t mean I won’t buy their TVs or laptops.

I think you’re just using this as an opportunity to sound off against MMG.

Great work MMG, and don’t mind the “MMG witch hunters”. You have your supporters who appreciate your hard work on these FREE mods.

@ F1Racer

Sorry but Sony isn’t basing their reputation upon Sony Vegas Studio software, but their TV’s…
Big difference when MMG is basing their reputation on mods and everything within the community, and I can understand if some people find MMG’s reputation “less appealing”.

It’s Sony’s rather good TV’s that makes people want to try their software and it’s MMG’s mods and everything else within the community that makes people want/want not to order the display…

I don’t know if it’s fair but people tend to criticize on their experiences, and not everybody is fond of MMG.

You’ve missed the point Bjorn. You, like Paul have the same narrow blinkers on in that everything coming out of MMG must automatically be crap or criticised because you are not fond of them or because they have a bad reputation.
This reputation though was borne from gossip, hatemongering and people generally being overdramatic and judgmental.
Announcing mods and then not releasing them isnt really cause for the hate cast upon them and nor is them hyping their own products.
Lets face it they did eventually deliver on MMG F12007 even if it took 2 goes. They didnt give up on it despite all the hate and got the job done. Seems thats not enough for some people.
It also seems that its so easy for people to find reasons to hate or criticise others. Any imperfection is overly criticised and highlighted in such a negative manner.
MMG had criticism thrown at them that could be seen as justified but a hell of a lot of it wasn’t. They were more or less thrown to the lions and yeah you can say most of it was the own doing but its not like they intend to make mistakes or not deliver on what people seem to think are promises.
But at the same time they are not being given a chance to try and redeem themselves. What must they do or how hard to they have to work to satisfy the critics ?
They bring out this piece of hardware and because of their failure to deliver on a mod or two and whatever else, this product should get automatically slated because its from the same group ?
Im sure MMG know the mistakes committed in the past and would like to make it up to the people that hold grudges and are upset, but will they get a chance to ? It seems not. That being the case, who is the worst party of the two ?

Oh and the point Bjorn is that this piece of hardwares quality or appeal has nothing to do with MMG’s reputation or their mod making. If CTDP released this device I bet you’d be reacting differently. Judge this thing on its own merits and quit holding grudges and living in the past. Life’s too short and there are bigger things these days to spend time worrying about and hating on.

It’s easy to get yourself a bad reputation. But it’s hard to recover from that reputation. That counts for everyone. You can’t hit someone in the face and expect that he will love you the other day.

MMG has some history in damaging its reputation. The last worst thing was the crying and bitching about the HOF on rFactorcentral. Some MMG members really seem to be extremly attention-cracing. They must be the best modders out there. Thats their opinion and therefore a fact. Everyone who doesn’t think so must be an imature MMG hater. So either you love MMG or you hate them. They can’t accept that there are people who doesn’t love MMG but still enjoy their mods.

As long as the crying and bitching continues the community has it’s own soap opera. I have to admit that I enjoy reading the comments on every MMG news post. It’s always the same: someone speaks out, F1Racer defends MMG and maybe Yanden or Phil arrive and tell everyone that they are immature MMG haters. And so it goes on and on…

Cant argue with any of that erale.
I don’t waste my time defending something that I don’t think is worth the time. I’m not doing it for the sake of argument.
But I’m not defending the mistakes or the alleged lies or the broken promises or even the HOF bitching.
MMG is more than just a couple of key figures, and those others put in their own free time working away for themselves and the community like any other mod group, in order to produce free stuff for us and aren’t asking a penny in return.
I judge them on what they produce and put out there, not how good they are at hype, marketing or not bitching.
We can’t expect them to act like a professional commercial enterprise when it comes to their personalities. These are all just regular guys with their hobbies and they all have differing personalities.
My main interest in MMG has been the F1 2007 mod, which when it made its first appearance didnt really work out too well.
The public knew it (and let them know quite harshly) and MMG knew it. Despite all the crap thrown at them before and after the mod, they didn’t throw in the towel.
They made an effort to make amends and make things right with that mod and they didnt do so by simply releasing a patch a week later. The entire mod was overhauled which took a lot of work but they did it despite the hatemongering that was going on around them. V2.0 came out and IMO it was brilliant. Despite it not having as much content, I would put it alongside CTDP06 any day of the week. I certainly prefer its physics, but thats just me.
That is how I judge MMG.
Its true that you cannot rebuild a bad rep overnight, but at least they haven’t given up trying to do so. Its just a question now of it they will be allowed to. Some will hate on MMG forever, some will adopt a want and see attitude and some will judge them on what they produce.
So if I am judging them on the 2006 mod and this hardware piece, I`d say its pretty damn cool.

correcitions…
that should be ‘wait and see attitude’ :) Freudian slip there, hehe
and ’2006 mod’ is obviously ’2007 mod’ Im literally typing in the dark here.

F1Racer:

Why can’t we expect MMG to act professionally when so many other modding groups do? They simply let people know occasionally that they’re working on a mod, release it with minimal fanfare and then accept constructive criticism without berating the community.

It’s good that you base your opinions of MMG on their products. I suppose I could overlook MMG’s utter lack of public and customer relations if its mods were far superior to anything on the market.

But they’re not. They’re not even the best. CTDP creates more comprehensive, realistic and polished modern F1 mods. The Historix group produced a mod much better than any MMG creation with its Historic GT & Touring mod. I could cite more examples, but you get the drift.

You also say MMG knew its initial F1 2007 release was crap. If so, then why did PhilSouza and Yanden react with such shocked venom to the initial criticism?

I’m really getting sick of the “They do this for free” excuse to defend MMG. You know what? So does every other damn modding group out there, and they do it with much less unfulfilled hype, much better PR and, in some cases, a much better product than MMG.

MMG and its disciples like to think of it as something special. It’s not — it’s a hard-working mod group trying to build something for the community, just like every other modder and modding group.

What separates MMG from most other modders and modding groups is its arrogance, and that reputation takes awhile to shed.

Paul,
You mention “public and customer relations” as if they are some kind of multinational corporation or something :). Its a bunch of guys with a hobby. Plus this issue you have with MMG’s alleged arrogance and beration of the community has only surely come from 1 or 2 people. MMG is not a group of 1 or 2 people yet the entire group seeminly is judged on the personalities of a couple of people. Hardly fair.
Oh I know what you’re going to say… but these are the lead guys, well so what, it so happens that they have that kind of characther. Flawed, but who isnt. Time to look beyond that.
Comparing it to CTDP and HistorX isnt really fair.
CTDP have far more people and spent more time on their mod.
MMG had the ability to make theirs are comprehensive etc. but wasnt prepared to spend that amount of time as we are now rollong on to 09 in the real world.
As for HistorX, well name me a mod thats better ? There aint many mate. But as an F1 mod its better. If its F1 you want, you wouldnt go with HistorX now would ya ?

Ok I`ll take your ‘do it for free point’ fair enough.

The rest of your post I think you have exaggerated for effect.

F1Racer:

If MMG wants to be treated with respect, then it must treat its customers with respect — even if the product is free. Period. That’s a basic premise of any company, whether it’s Coca-Cola or the corner lemonade stand.

MMG hasn’t done that in the past.

I’m well aware that MMG consists of more than Yanden and Phil. But they are the leaders, and they are among the most active MMG posters in various sim racing forums.

So when most people think of the personification of MMG, they think of Yanden and Phil. Sadly, Yanden and Phil were the most abrasive members of MMG toward community criticism of the initial release of the F1 2007 mod and its lack of instant voting to Hall of Fame status.

Your explanation about MMG having the ability to make the most comprehensive modern F1 mod but not wanting to take the time is complete bunk.

Phil and Yanden made breathless, repeated boasts about the quality of F1 2007 before its release. But anyone who has followed the MMG saga knows of the in-fighting, which couldn’t have helped matters. And when the initial release was bug-ridden, Phil and Yanden took affront with the negative feedback from the community.

That had to be deflating for the entire MMG group, no question. But it should also have taught the lesson of “don’t overpromise and underdeliver.” And you sure as hell don’t attack the customer, either.

This isn’t Wharton School of Business curriculum here. It’s common sense.

There too many drunk people here maybe… 2km of post, Paul Kelly WTF? We respect the criticism here, but are u making this? NO
Nobody here has to understand what do u want…
I read serious modder, ctdp here…ctdp there…Are u joking, man? I remember wrong, or ctdp has released the 2006 (2006!!!!!) mod some days before the 2009 ?
Hey Paul, can u put a 3 years developing VS the 2007 MMG (1 year)???
If so, yes mate you are drunk from morning to night…
And i want repeat again, did u pay something? Get a life man, we have not all this free time like you…

Reno:

I would rather have three years of development for a mod done right than one year of development for a flawed mod.

Your standards must differ.

And as for paying for the mod, how many rFactor mods have you paid for? None. So I’m comparing apples to apples regardless of what your schoolyard logic is trying to construct.

Oh, and by the way: All of my mods in this thread took about a combined 20 minutes to write. I make no apologies for English being my primary language.

Sorry to get involved is this “stupid” argument. Look, get it in your head that “MMG” is just some random people like you and me who happens to create mods for a game they love call rFactor. Seriously.. What “customers” Paul Kelly?… these are not businesses.. What I hate is you people demanding crap like you paid this madders for something. THE FREAKING MOD IS “FREE”. Is not like a ps3 and x-box fight before they come out where you do can complain all you want since is your money that is going to be used.

btw : I bought MMG display!!!

As suspected, MMG is ripping off customers with this product. They have paid and are not getting it. And Petros is making up his usual bullshit stories of the manufacturer going broke and MMG buying out of the staff and opening an italian branch, and now the latest, his courior van got robbed at gun point. Who the hell does armed robberys on courior vans?

This guy is just crazy and now its serious because hes stealing peoples money and commiting real fraud.

And f1 racer, you continue to support this scum? Your as big a piece of shit as petros mak. At what point will your stupid brain realize this scum is a pure con man?

I dont understand how grown adults can be so fucken STUPID.