And yes I know, as its you, you will say I’m running away or whatever, but fuck Danny, you’re just a complete idiot who expects the person he`s talking to, to go over the same shit time and time again. Sorry pal, not going there any more.

You want to read a reply to your last post, read any of my above ones. They will all make sense because all your posts are the same.

Oh and 42 aint so old mate. I had a great time getting here so Im not so sad either.
You`ll realise that if you ever get there. Personally I hope you don’t get there but that’s just the devil in me.
If you do make 42 (wheres a hit and run when you need one?), I bet you will still be the one trawling MMG forums looking for crap to dig up and still have this creepy fetish over Petros.
I bet I can guess which one of us spends more time in the MMG forums and blogs and it won’t be me.
If you want to know what truly being sucked in is, you’re there.

F1Racer: If you think I’m quoting all that repetitive bullshit again, forget it.
Not that I am surprised but as usual every post you make is a repeat of the last with the words in a different order.I see you are quite selective of the bits you reply to as well.
You seriously think we’re having this argument because of MMG and Petros ?Tell me thats not so. I mean I know you’re as thick as shit but I would have thought you’d have least understood that part.How does your brain-dead mind work that one out ? I started on you when you had a go at me, remember ? Or was that too far back for you ?Memory of a friggin’ goldfish.
You don’t think its anything to do with that you started this whole thing earlier on in this thread ?This has got nothing to do with MMG or anyone in it. But I do understand that you just want to try and make it about that because it suits your ends.It’s what you gotta do to try and maintain some last fragments of credibility.I get it.
However, if we can just drop out of your fantasy world just for small moment because in reality this is about YOU responding to ME on this thread. Nothing more. The sooner your screwed up neurons understand that, the better.
But least you admit this is a vendetta you have, so we have made a little progress. It seems then, if anyone is sucked in to MMG, its you mate.I on the other hand decide to opt out of being in a group and stayed out.With you, its like you never left.You just can’t drag yourself away. Its almost like Petros dumped you like an old girlfriend and you gotta get back at him.
You should put your energies to more useful things like saving the environment or endangered species. Christ, someone who’s as stubborn, repetitive, singularly narrow-minded and so persistent would be perfect to be writing to MP’s and making people aware of the real proper bad world we live in where we are poisoning the skies and the seas, clubbing seals, whaling, letting children starve etc.I`d like you on my side for that. If its morals and ethics you want, hey, there you have it in abundance mate. Thing about it. The world needs you !
Oh and saying I defend them here regularly is not providing proof that I have done and thats because you can’t.If it was a rule that you shouldnt speak on things you can’t back up, we`d never hear a peep out of you.
Anyway, unfortunately, even if I accepted and believed all your tired old repetitive ramblings about MMG as being the truth I would still think you are a prime, first class twat.You are who you are Danny. Even if you blank out all of MMGs existence, me and you still got enough shit between us for me to wish you all the ills of the world (unless you went green of course, then I`d be rooting for you all the way).MMG may have started this thing between us, but its not part of it any more.I hate you for my own personal reasons and that aint gonna ever change.
So before I go and leave you to play with yourself, please explain to me what it is I have supposedly been sucked into and provide some proof of this. Bear in mind that I have had barely and exchange of a sentence with MMG since I last rendered a car over a month ago and then the conversations are restricted to rendering.I certainly don’t feel sucked in. Im not being forced to do anything or listen to anything. So it seems to me that your observations are completely without foundation (now there’s a surprise).
Oh and you didn’t answer my last question. Is that because you don’t have the will power to manage it ?

I had a go at you because of your support for petros mak and mmg. Because you support the disgracful behaviour of petros mak you deserve everything you get.

You have been sucked in because you support mmg and petros by working for them and defending them in forums because you believe all the lies petros tells you. You really cant be more sucked in than that and I find it funny that your blind and deluded you cant even see it. So utterly brainwashed. Your like one those cultists who swear black and blue that the cult is good and innocent, when the rest of the world can clearly see its crazy. Sometimes those lunatics wake up maybe you will one day and stop believing the pathetic lies that petros mak spoon feeds you.

You fail to understand that con artists only have power when people pay attention to them. So anyone who gives him postive attention like helping him, working for him, defending him ect just feeds the cancer, and thats my problem with you. People like you allow the scum bags like petros mak to exist in this world. Of course they usually start out small time but they slowly get bigger and bigger. This cancer is slowly going from modding to taking peoples money selling bogus hardware.

You must be totally ethically and morally corrupt to want to have any association with petros mak and mmg. And its laughable that you accuse me of being some low life, with friends like yours. You sad old man.

pleb:
Now, this is what you call a thread hijack. haha

LOL, pistols at dawn eh ? hehe.

I dunno why Danny’s ugly square simeon face is still plastered on my avatar. I changed it 2 hours ago and its not updated. Or is it my cache ?

By the way guys, if theres anyone left here who still believes in a God as opposed to evolution and the big bang theory, surely, that avatar is conclusive evidence of the latter.
No deity would ever admit responsibility for that monstrosity. The bronze age, maybe.

Now THAT’s a joke Danny boy.

Heh, I know thats childish but damn it brightens me up no end :)

EDIT: Finally its changed my avatar. Phew!

Not that I am surprised but as usual every post you make is a repeat of the last with the words in a different order.
I see you are quite selective of the bits you reply to as well.

You seriously think we’re having this argument because of MMG and Petros ?
Tell me thats not so. I mean I know you’re as thick as shit but I would have thought you’d have least understood that part.
How does your brain-dead mind work that one out ? I started on you when you had a go at me, remember ? Or was that too far back for you ?
Memory of a friggin’ goldfish.

You don’t think its anything to do with that you started this whole thing earlier on in this thread ?
This has got nothing to do with MMG or anyone in it. But I do understand that you just want to try and make it about that because it suits your ends.
It’s what you gotta do to try and maintain some last fragments of credibility.
I get it.

However, if we can just drop out of your fantasy world just for small moment because in reality this is about YOU responding to ME on this thread. Nothing more. The sooner your screwed up neurons understand that, the better.

But least you admit this is a vendetta you have, so we have made a little progress. It seems then, if anyone is sucked in to MMG, its you mate.
I on the other hand decide to opt out of being in a group and stayed out.
With you, its like you never left.
You just can’t drag yourself away. Its almost like Petros dumped you like an old girlfriend and you gotta get back at him.

You should put your energies to more useful things like saving the environment or endangered species. Christ, someone who’s as stubborn, repetitive, singularly narrow-minded and so persistent would be perfect to be writing to MP’s and making people aware of the real proper bad world we live in where we are poisoning the skies and the seas, clubbing seals, whaling, letting children starve etc.
I`d like you on my side for that. If its morals and ethics you want, hey, there you have it in abundance mate. Thing about it. The world needs you !

Oh and saying I defend them here regularly is not providing proof that I have done and thats because you can’t.
If it was a rule that you shouldnt speak on things you can’t back up, we`d never hear a peep out of you.

Anyway, unfortunately, even if I accepted and believed all your tired old repetitive ramblings about MMG as being the truth I would still think you are a prime, first class twat.
You are who you are Danny. Even if you blank out all of MMGs existence, me and you still got enough shit between us for me to wish you all the ills of the world (unless you went green of course, then I`d be rooting for you all the way).
MMG may have started this thing between us, but its not part of it any more.
I hate you for my own personal reasons and that aint gonna ever change.

So before I go and leave you to play with yourself, please explain to me what it is I have supposedly been sucked into and provide some proof of this. Bear in mind that I have had barely and exchange of a sentence with MMG since I last rendered a car over a month ago and then the conversations are restricted to rendering.
I certainly don’t feel sucked in. Im not being forced to do anything or listen to anything. So it seems to me that your observations are completely without foundation (now there’s a surprise).

Oh and you didn’t answer my last question. Is that because you don’t have the will power to manage it ?

Well thats bull for a start. As much as you’d like to keep your dignity and think you left, you didn’t. You think MMG is so low and they rejected YOU.How does that make you feel ? Seems about right to me.

Why I left is no secret. I publically accussed petros of lying about his hospital story and helped expose him. So you can keep trying to distort reality but but your wasting your time. I left the moment I realised what a joke mmg is.

Ok so your words are amazingly true and everyone else is an idiot. Noted.What I’m saying is you twist things and make up things to suit your own ends.You have no evidence or facts to back up what you say. You thrive on heresay and gossip from the very people you call idiots and mold that into something that suits you.I need to speak with a certain person (hopefully this week). When I do, if he tells me what Im expecting, I`ll give you an example alright. Will it matter ?No, you`ll still rant on as if nothing happened.

Give examples about what i make up and twist, go on, see you make baseless accusations with no subtance. You have nothing because your living in fantasy land. Oh your going to talk to someone this week? So your still wasting your time trying to determine the truth about petros? LOL. That was known a long timr ago by many. Hes a delusional maniac who lies about EVERYTHING. Only a retard would still trust him. I cant believe a man of your age is so god damn gullable!! If you were 16 id sort of understand.

As I said, show me 1 example of a direct defense by me of MMG in public (or otherwise) since I left MMG. I’m against you because you’re an asshole. Im arguing with you now because YOU had a pop at me. I was leaving you alone so we could avoid all this and I thought you would have had the sense to realise that and do likewise. Clearly you were too dumb to even do that.Expose the fraud ? Great, now you’re Sherlock Holmes..

You defend them here regularily. Why am I an asshole? Because I have a vendetta against a fraud who exploits people? What do you think of petros? Nice guy i bet.

Well thats too bad for you then isn’t it. I render because I render. If you want to see that as some kind of solidarity of a con man then go ahead, be delusional.Do you seriously think Im NOT going to render their cars based on your ramblings ? .

No not my ramblings, just the truth which you continue to deny and which you totally ignore in my posts. Utterly living in denial.

Im not outraged in the slightest. I hate you because of the kind of person you are. You are on a personal mission against Petros and MMG and you carry that out in the guise of some superhero who is trying to write all wrongs and put things right.Not just that but the way you go about it. You don’t write things in a way that people would listen to you or take you seriously. You could be 100% right and people just read your stuff and think you’re a headcase. .

Yes I realize some of the things I say sound crazy but thats because they came from the mind of a lunatic called petros mak. Yes I have a mission against mmg and you dont seem to care that its totally justified, yet you seem offended by it, because hes your friend.

I`ll bet not once have you taken anything Ive ever said and gone “Hmmmm he might have a point there” or something like that. That doesn’t occur to you. You just want it to be all your side and it doesn’t work that way.All you want is people to acknowledge what you say and accept it blindly as if its gospel.

Problem is you dont have a point, you just attack me because I have a vendetta against your pal. Thats not a point. The whole point here is whether or not my vendetta is justified. Whether petros mak really is a scum bag pathological liar which he clearly is. If you accepted this fact you would realize Im not the bad guy. But you have been sucked in and brain washed by him so all of his enemies are your enemies. Your a joke, just like MMG.

Danny:

Its interesting how you keep referring to the truth as ‘delusional ramblings’. This is the kind of manic denial that is consistent with petros mak disciples. Petros would be proud of you.

Interesting how you misread everything. The truth is never delusional. YOU are and so is your version of it.
(The rest of that paragraph is you trying to annoy me and failing miserably in the attempt – also proves you havent listened to a single word thats been said as usual. I just dont think you are capable of absorbing 2 sides to an arguments and cross processing them.
Kudos for trying though.)

Look its pointess arguing over semantics. The point is you support mmg with the work you do for them, not to mention your fanboy actions on forums like this.

Pointless eh ? Does that mean you finally understand but still refuse to display that publically ?
(the last part of that paragraph is you trying to annoy me and failing in the attempt – less Kudos now because you’re trying too hard)

I dont notice your ‘generic’ defences in other threads, but only when it concerns mmg. You clearly are as devoted to supporing MMG as I am to exposing them.

You only see what you want to see Danny. Thats always been the way with you.
There you go yet again with the support thing when you know that its not the case. I support me.

I didnt get booted from mmg , I left

Well thats bull for a start. As much as you’d like to keep your dignity and think you left, you didn’t. You think MMG is so low and they rejected YOU.
How does that make you feel ? Seems about right to me.

Ohh so I dont know the truth and make up stuff? LOL. Give me example, go on I dare you. Everything I say about mmg is amazingly true and the reason its not wiped off the face of the sim racing map is because there seems to be no shortage of idiots like you who believe petros mak’s outrageous lies.

Ok so your words are amazingly true and everyone else is an idiot. Noted.
What I’m saying is you twist things and make up things to suit your own ends.
You have no evidence or facts to back up what you say. You thrive on heresay and gossip from the very people you call idiots and mold that into something that suits you.
I need to speak with a certain person (hopefully this week). When I do, if he tells me what Im expecting, I`ll give you an example alright. Will it matter ?
No, you`ll still rant on as if nothing happened.

You support him by defending mmg publically and being friends with petros mak, and being against people like me who try to expose the fraud.

As I said, show me 1 example of a direct defense by me of MMG in public (or otherwise) since I left MMG. I’m against you because you’re an asshole. Im arguing with you now because YOU had a pop at me. I was leaving you alone so we could avoid all this and I thought you would have had the sense to realise that and do likewise. Clearly you were too dumb to even do that.
Expose the fraud ? Great, now you’re Sherlock Holmes.

Even 1 render or one screen shot of support for someone like petros map is disgusting.

Well thats too bad for you then isn’t it. I render because I render. If you want to see that as some kind of solidarity of a con man then go ahead, be delusional.
Do you seriously think Im NOT going to render their cars based on your ramblings ?

You make him seem legitimate when in reality hes a joke. This allows him to suck more people into his his fantasy world so he can exploit them. You are obviusly too stupid to see the consequences of your actions. Thats why you should be thankful that Im explaining them to you.

oh my god, just read what you wrote there. Can’t you see how mental that is ?
You’re too far gone man. No hope for you.

You call me names like scum and hate me, yet for what reason? Because I speak out against con artists, lies, exploitation? You have a very twisted set of moral values. I think its called brain washing. A normal person would be OUTRAGED if they found out all the lies and actions of petros mak, yet you actually get outraged at the truth!!
You are truley nuts.

Im not outraged in the slightest. I hate you because of the kind of person you are. You are on a personal mission against Petros and MMG and you carry that out in the guise of some superhero who is trying to write all wrongs and put things right.
Not just that but the way you go about it. You don’t write things in a way that people would listen to you or take you seriously. You could be 100% right and people just read your stuff and think you’re a headcase. It just so happens that this time they are right.
You go out of your way to try and push my buttons when you talk to me (as highlighted above). Just me knowing that you are trying to do that is a guarantee that you will fail. Im sitting here typing this and Im in the best of moods. Im just about to start a good movie and enjoy a bite to eat now.
Also you totally refuse to hear or acknowledge anything the other person is saying. I`ll bet not once have you taken anything Ive ever said and gone “Hmmmm he might have a point there” or something like that. That doesn’t occur to you. You just want it to be all your side and it doesn’t work that way.
All you want is people to acknowledge what you say and accept it blindly as if its gospel. That doesnt work either and if it did it would be on those who are as gullible as the ones you purport to protect.
I also don’t like you for all the shit you shovel in my direction for no reason as if all this is my doing or my responsibility to clean up.
I don’t get that at all.

There is no way ever we will reconcile and we will never see eye to eye on this or anything.
So as I said earlier, we should at least agree to stay the hell out of each others way. Are you up for that ?

F1Racer: I see that rather than you just going toe to toe with me, I am giving you further opportunities to spout your delusional ramblings. You’re just like a bible basher who wants me to embrace the word of the Lord and hear his words.
Once again, your entire argument is based on things that are not true.You are so blind to see this is it any wonder I was fed up listening to you on MSN ?

Its interesting how you keep referring to the truth as ‘delusional ramblings’. This is the kind of manic denial that is consistent with petros mak disciples. Petros would be proud of you.

Again you totally misunderstand the concept. OK so lets take a real world scenario that actually happened.Subaru World Rally contact me and ask me for renders (pretty much like MMG, FSOne etc does now).I do their renders. In Subaru’s case I get paid, in MMGs case I get a thank you. Fine.Am I now a part of Subaru as you seem to think I am of MMG ? If Subaru pull out of the 2009 rally do I have a say in the matter ?

Look its pointess arguing over semantics. The point is you support mmg with the work you do for them, not to mention your fanboy actions on forums like this.

This is where you twist things. It was a generic response that I would have posted that if it had been about the FSOne mod, the CTDP mod or whatever. But…. because it was MMG, you immediately jump to a whole different conclusion.I also didnt consider what he said as a negative. I was just bemused as to why someone would bother to post that kind of a thought.See how you are wrong on so many things ?But you’ll never believe it because it might damage your amazing foresight for the whole truth (sarcasm alert)

I dont notice your ‘generic’ defences in other threads, but only when it concerns mmg. You clearly are as devoted to supporing MMG as I am to exposing them.

As opposed to me being friends with you, you mean ? yeah right, a real difficult choice.You can’t possibly slag other mod groups off. A) you dont have the time because you spend your life obseessing over MMG B) you have a personal grudge on MMG because you were once part of it and got booted for being… well… for being you.I dont tolerate scum either. Why do you think Im arguing with you ??

I didnt get booted from mmg , I left after petros’s little hospital caper when he pretended to be his imaginary wife, and posted on his forum that petros had a stroke, and brain surgery and was on life support and 10 minutes from switching it off, until he made a miraculous last second recovery, and was on msn later that night talking about it. its the craziest story ive ever heard and one which you and many other idiots still believe. Of course anyone with ethics and morals would not want to be associated with a lunatic like that, so I left.

I dont have any reason to bash other groups because they are normal and actually release mods.

BR>Danny, YOU don’t even know the truth. You just think you do when you make up all this fantasy crap in your head. If all the shit you spout was all true, MMG would be wiped off the face of the sim-racing map by now.You’re someone on a personal mission with a few raggedy hangers-on who don’t know any better.

Ohh so I dont know the truth and make up stuff? LOL. Give me example, go on I dare you. Everything I say about mmg is amazingly true and the reason its not wiped off the face of the sim racing map is because there seems to be no shortage of idiots like you who believe petros mak’s outrageous lies. Its not my fault your so deluded that you deny the truth and believe petros mak’s lies. Everytime a lie is exposed to run to him on msn like a good monkey and he just spins you a new lie and you swallow it. Your like a baby.

Remember when petros claimed in autosimracing magazine that he used to be australian f3 champ, and when that was exposed a lie he said the magazine got confused and mis understood him? An idiotic excuse btw, which you swallowed, but when I showed you factual evidence from another petros mak interview on the net, when he claimed THE EXACT SAME THING, you still didnt believe it just started looking for new ways to justify his lie and believe him.

Thats how deluded brain washed people operate. Totally irrational.

Behaves like me ? Arguing with you, you mean ? Anyone who argues with you is a bad person and an undying MMG supporter ? You really believe that don’t you.How am I supporting him btw ? Since I left MMG, I challenge you to show me any involvement I have had with them apart from rendering a couple of cars.Show me a post ANYWHERE where Im directly sticking up for MMG.(Arguments with you and my first post here don’t count btw).>

You support him by defending mmg publically and being friends with petros mak, and being against people like me who try to expose the fraud. Even 1 render or one screen shot of support for someone like petros map is disgusting. You make him seem legitimate when in reality hes a joke. This allows him to suck more people into his his fantasy world so he can exploit them. You are obviusly too stupid to see the consequences of your actions. Thats why you should be thankful that Im explaining them to you.

You call me names like scum and hate me, yet for what reason? Because I speak out against con artists, lies, exploitation? You have a very twisted set of moral values. I think its called brain washing. A normal person would be OUTRAGED if they found out all the lies and actions of petros mak, yet you actually get outraged at the truth!!

You are truley nuts.

Once again, your entire argument is based on things that are not true.
You are so blind to see this is it any wonder I was fed up listening to you on MSN ?

You do work mmg so your effectively part of the team to an extent. Whats your definition of being a part of a team if its not working for them?

Again you totally misunderstand the concept. OK so lets take a real world scenario that actually happened.
Subaru World Rally contact me and ask me for renders (pretty much like MMG, FSOne etc does now).
I do their renders. In Subaru’s case I get paid, in MMGs case I get a thank you. Fine.
Am I now a part of Subaru as you seem to think I am of MMG ? If Subaru pull out of the 2009 rally do I have a say in the matter ?

Do you need me to draw pictures for you to understand this ? I am no more connected to MMG as I am to Subaru, except for the fact I know a couple of more faces.

You dont just argue with me. Ive seen you in flame wars with others in other mmg and mmg forums, where you attack anyone who dares speak negative about mmg, like I do. As soon as someone bashes mmg, you can depend on their lackey F1racer to be there to fight the noble defence for his leader petros mak!

Haha, who? You mean that sidekick you had that followed you around posting after you everytime ? Christ you two were as thick as thieves.
If someone says something I dont agree with I may post. Regardless of whether its MMG or whatever.
I like the way you make me out to be some kind of defence lawyer. I guess I must have got to ya.

Yes the truth and facts do have a habit of being repetitive. I guess that would get annoying if you keep denying them like you do. You had a go at someone who posted something negative in this thread when he said he wasnt looking forward to another 2008 mod. You went right after him because it was a bash on the mmg mod.

This is where you twist things. It was a generic response that I would have posted that if it had been about the FSOne mod, the CTDP mod or whatever. But…. because it was MMG, you immediately jump to a whole different conclusion.
I also didnt consider what he said as a negative. I was just bemused as to why someone would bother to post that kind of a thought.
See how you are wrong on so many things ?
But you’ll never believe it because it might damage your amazing foresight for the whole truth (sarcasm alert)

What do you mesn ‘all of a sudden’? Since always. Dont pretend to know me. You dont see me slagging of any other mod groups do you? I didnt chose mmg for the fun of it. Its because I know that petros mak is just a con man. Unlike you, many people dont like tolerating scum like that. It says a lot about you that you select such people to be your friends.

As opposed to me being friends with you, you mean ? yeah right, a real difficult choice.
You can’t possibly slag other mod groups off. A) you dont have the time because you spend your life obseessing over MMG B) you have a personal grudge on MMG because you were once part of it and got booted for being… well… for being you.
I dont tolerate scum either. Why do you think Im arguing with you ??

You are a friend and supporter of mmg so you have a responsibility to expose the truth and not hide it and support them.

oh what am I, fucking Spider-man ? Explain to me how I have any responsibility.
As a fine upstanding member of the sim-racing community ?
Danny, YOU don’t even know the truth. You just think you do when you make up all this fantasy crap in your head. If all the shit you spout was all true, MMG would be wiped off the face of the sim-racing map by now.
You’re someone on a personal mission with a few raggedy hangers-on who don’t know any better.

Anyone else in the community who behaves like you is no better. I can judge you because you have showed everyone the type of person you are by supporting a fraudster like petros mak.

Behaves like me ? Arguing with you, you mean ? Anyone who argues with you is a bad person and an undying MMG supporter ? You really believe that don’t you.
How am I supporting him btw ? Since I left MMG, I challenge you to show me any involvement I have had with them apart from rendering a couple of cars.
Show me a post ANYWHERE where Im directly sticking up for MMG.
(Arguments with you and my first post here don’t count btw).

If you work for a con man you have been played. If you publically support a con man and believe all his lies no matter how comical and retarded they are, you have been played. You dont understand what a fool you make of yourself when you support mmg and petros mak.

Well your first sentence is wrong for a start. Especially if you’re also doing the conning along with him and you both get rich. Yeah I know, now you’ll think Im making the hardware or I robbed the courier van, LOL.
The rest of that paragraph is the same old Danny-spouted cap. support blah blah, con blah blah, petros blah blah blah.

He plays everyone though.

Yeah everyone on the net has been played by The Amazing Petros and his MMG team – except for you right ? You’re the last one to be turned to the dark side. Next we`ll find out that Petros is your father !

Soon mmg will be selling more hardware and ripping more people off. And it will happen because of people like you who tolerated and allowed the cancer to fester and spread. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a disgrace.

There you go again. Blaming me for it all as if I am supposed to have Petros on a leash and reign him in or something. You talk as if I am in control of MMG and all this is my responsibility and my fault.
This is a perfect example of how totally deluded you are because you are so wrapped up in MMG yourself you believe your own bullshit and have no problems twisting things to suit YOUR needs.
Hell, you’re more involved with MMG than I have ever been !
If you cared for the community so much you wouldnt be spouting all your bullshit without knowing all the facts – which you DO NOT.
You do realise that I run RacingRenders.com right, not MMG and I do a small thing of making renders. Thats it.
So where does this total shit about tolerated, allowed, responsibilty and me being ashamed of myself come in ?
You’re talking like a fucking lunatic.

And yes I am a disgrace – for even taking time out in my life to debate this bullshit with a low life like you. Im fking ashamed of myself for that.

F1Racer:
See how stupid you are ?Am I also a part of FSOne and WSGT2 then ? Am I in their groups too ? Idiot.( er.. where did I mention about posting on their forum and how does that even count ??)

You do work mmg so your effectively part of the team to an extent. Whats your definition of being a part of a team if its not working for them?

How is that possible when I have purposely stayed out of them and let you rant on like a twat (until now) ?And, proving my point, you dont listen. Its all one way traffic with you.This isn’t about defending them. I have no desire or need to defend MMG.Its about having a go at you. HUGE difference.Again you think because Im opposing you, I must therefore be defending them.No, Im opposing you because I think you’re a troll in this community.

You dont just argue with me. Ive seen you in flame wars with others in other mmg and mmg forums, where you attack anyone who dares speak negative about mmg, like I do. As soon as someone bashes mmg, you can depend on their lackey F1racer to be there to fight the noble defence for his leader petros mak!

Again, more of this same old tired rhetoric. Proving my other point about you being repetitive. You are blinded completely by this idea that Im undyingly sticking up for MMG and Petros. This isnt about MMG Danny, its about you and how you are. Im not having this rant at you because of what you said about MMG, but because you had a go at me when I responded to somone else not even related to MMG.But oh how you like to twist things.>

Yes the truth and facts do have a habit of being repetitive. I guess that would get annoying if you keep denying them like you do. You had a go at someone who posted something negative in this thread when he said he wasnt looking forward to another 2008 mod. You went right after him because it was a bash on the mmg mod.

And since when do you care about naive people being exploited ? You are some kind hearted charity all of a sudden ? Don’t give me that crap. You don’t have any concern for anyone. Your goal is just to slag off MMG and particularly Petros. (ooh now you’ll think that was me defending him right ? pfff).>>

What do you mesn ‘all of a sudden’? Since always. Dont pretend to know me. You dont see me slagging of any other mod groups do you? I didnt chose mmg for the fun of it. Its because I know that petros mak is just a con man. Unlike you, many people dont like tolerating scum like that. It says a lot about you that you select such people to be your friends.

More of the good samaritan eh ? I don’t like seeing people being ripped off but since when has MMGs dealings been any more of my concern than anyone elses? If you think that MMG are ripping people off and you are insulting me for not being actively opposed to it by publicly speaking out, then you are insulting everyone else in the community who hasn’t too.If I didnt have any morals or ethics, I wouldnt be replying to you now would I ?Also don’t you fking judge me. You have no idea about what I do or don’t care about. You’re just annoyed because Im not marching side by side in step with you.

You are a friend and supporter of mmg so you have a responsibility to expose the truth and not hide it and support them. Anyone else in the community who behaves like you is no better. I can judge you because you have showed everyone the type of person you are by supporting a fraudster like petros mak.

How have I been played Danny ? I make renders ffs ! My role has never been more than that.So what in the name of Darwin are you on about ?? Again, you are totally deluded. Don’t you see how stupid you sound ?
“Hey F1, can you render our McLaren 2007?”“Sure Petros, let me have the files and I`ll get it sorted.”

If you work for a con man you have been played. If you publically support a con man and believe all his lies no matter how comical and retarded they are, you have been played. You dont understand what a fool you make of yourself when you support mmg and petros mak.

He plays everyone though. Not long ago he had an ‘official Q and A at racedepartment where members of the public were asking him about mmg and future plans. He sat in the chat room crapping on about the commerical game mmg is developing and how awesome its gonna be blah blah. Totally lying through his teeth. Every word an utter lie. Do you think its positive for the community to have shit like that happening? Or how about that simxdisplay that hes selling where customers took months to get the product and some still havent got them, which forced petros to create the story of his delivery van getting held up at gun point and stolen.

Soon mmg will be selling more hardware and ripping more people off. And it will happen because of people like you who tolerated and allowed the cancer to fester and spread. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a disgrace.

Danny:

You just admitted you render their cars, and post on their forum, so you infact are part of MMG im afraid. Are you trying to kid us or yourself?

See how stupid you are ?
Am I also a part of FSOne and WSGT2 then ? Am I in their groups too ? Idiot.
( er.. where did I mention about posting on their forum and how does that even count ??)

In every single thread about mmg you show up and defend them like a true fanboy.

How is that possible when I have purposely stayed out of them and let you rant on like a twat (until now) ?
And, proving my point, you dont listen. Its all one way traffic with you.
This isn’t about defending them. I have no desire or need to defend MMG.
Its about having a go at you. HUGE difference.
Again you think because Im opposing you, I must therefore be defending them.
No, Im opposing you because I think you’re a troll in this community.

My ideals which consist of being disgusted by pathological liars who exploit naive people? As opposed to your ideals of blindly supporting such a scumbag and helping him explout more and more people and attacking anyone who dares stand up to the lies? You really are so deluded its not funny. Your love for petros mak has blinded you so much that you cant even determine right from wrong anymore. Astounding!!

Again, more of this same old tired rhetoric. Proving my other point about you being repetitive. You are blinded completely by this idea that Im undyingly sticking up for MMG and Petros. This isnt about MMG Danny, its about you and how you are. Im not having this rant at you because of what you said about MMG, but because you had a go at me when I responded to somone else not even related to MMG.
But oh how you like to twist things.

And since when do you care about naive people being exploited ? You are some kind hearted charity all of a sudden ? Don’t give me that crap. You don’t have any concern for anyone. Your goal is just to slag off MMG and particularly Petros. (ooh now you’ll think that was me defending him right ? pfff).

Of course you dont care about pathological lies and exploitation. Its because your a seflish deluded loser with no morals and ethics. It doesnt effect your life so why would you care if it effected the lives of other people hey? That kind of selfish attitude is what allows con men to prosper. It makes you just as bad as them.

More of the good samaritan eh ? I genuinely don’t like seeing people being ripped off but since when has MMGs dealings been any more my concern than anyone elses? Why am I so special in your eyes ? oh wait I know, because I worship Petros and defend MMG to my dying breath (sarcasm in case you hadn’t realised).
If you think that MMG are ripping people off and you are insulting me for not being actively opposed to it by publicly speaking out, then you are insulting everyone else in the community who hasn’t too.
I don’t know anything about this stuff you rant on about regarding their hardware, so how am I qualified to even say anything ? Also who made you official spokesman for these supposed victims ? If I got ripped off you’re the last person I`d want speaking on my account.

If I didnt have any morals or ethics, I wouldnt be replying to you now would I ?
Also don’t you fking judge me. You have no idea about what I do or don’t care about. You’re just annoyed because Im not marching side by side in step with you.

Im sure petros mak disciples see me as a troll, but hopefully others pay attention to what I and others say about realize they shouldnt associate with petros mak and mmg. You are under the impression that everyone at mmg is innocent, but many know the truth yet still support mmg so they are infact accomplices like you.

A LOT of people see you as a troll, they don’t have to be in MMG to see what a pratt you are. I am under no impressions mate.
Again you are talking like Im 2nd in command at MMG or something. You are completely deluded.

Ill give you a suggestion. How about turning that dislike towards the person who constantly plays you for a fool and lies to you with every breathe while patting you on the head as you obey him like a good little puppy dog.

How have I been played Danny ? I make renders ffs ! My role has never been more than that.
So what in the name of Darwin are you on about ?? Again, you are totally deluded. Don’t you see how stupid you sound ?

“Hey F1, can you render our McLaren 2007?”
“Sure Petros, let me have the files and I`ll get it sorted.”

Yeah I really got played there ! Phew. Thanks for pointing that out Danny.

You ran off my msn because you couldnt handle the truth. You used to get upset when I destroyed every single defense you have of petros. Instead of being thankful you got upset and created new excuses to defend him. Totally brain washed. MMG is like a cult and petros’s ‘leader’ tag is very appropriate.

I blocked you on MSN for the very reasons I outlined above. That and the fact that you are a c**t. Who the hell wants to listen to you for more than 30s at a time ?

Couldnt handle the truth ? What is this A Few Good Men now ?
See you actually think people should be thankful for your words. You’re totally gone.

BTW Danny, what do you think of the 2008 previews above ? Not bad eh ?
Oh damn! Now Ive blown it and revealed myself as a true MMG worshipper :( (more sarcasm).

All that nonsense you just posted all hinges on one single assumption. That I am somehow part of MMG or speak for them in some manner. You are wrong – making your whole post redundant..

You just admitted you render their cars, and post on their forum, so you infact are part of MMG im afraid. Are you trying to kid us or yourself?

So where is this undying support you are talking about ?Without you realising, you are mistaking my pleasure in just having a pop at you with support for them. You mistakenly think if I have a go at you I must be therefore supporing MMG. Not so. Im just having a go at you because you’re a troll and it makes me feel good to berate you because you’re the best kind of idiot. One that thinks he`s clever but isn’t.

You have a pop at every single person who says anything negative about mmg, not just me. In every single thread about mmg you show up and defend them like a true fanboy.

But…given the choice of defending a mod group (remembering that MMG is more than just one person, it still contains hard working modders whatever you think of them or MMGs founder) or aligning myself with your ideals and the way you present yourself, MMG would win any time regardless of whatever was true about its founder. Thats how low you rank.Despite any misgivings or issues they may have, it dwarfs in comparison to how pathetic you are. Even if you were 100% right in what you say, you have no idea how to present your case in a way that doesn’t make you look like a complete twat.Realise one thing… Just because YOU say it, doesn’t make it so.

My ideals which consist of being disgusted by pathological liars who exploit naive people? As opposed to your ideals of blindly supporting such a scumbag and helping him explout more and more people and attacking anyone who dares stand up to the lies? You really are so deluded its not funny. Your love for petros mak has blinded you so much that you cant even determine right from wrong anymore. Astounding!!

I don’t care either way about the stories you have to spin, whether they are true or not. Simply because it doesn’t bother me like it does you. It doesn’t affect my daily life, I have bigger things to concern myself with.You on the other hand don’t yet realise how petty and stupid all your crap is in the grand scheme of things.

Of course you dont care about pathological lies and exploitation. Its because your a seflish deluded loser with no morals and ethics. It doesnt effect your life so why would you care if it effected the lives of other people hey? That kind of selfish attitude is what allows con men to prosper. It makes you just as bad as them.

You feel like you are some modern day Jesus on a mission to preach your word to everyone. In reality you just come across as a pathetic troll with an axe to grind.No-one here is ‘continually supporting and apologising for’ anyone.

Im sure petros mak disciples see me as a troll, but hopefully others pay attention to what I and others say about realize they shouldnt associate with petros mak and mmg. You are under the impression that everyone at mmg is innocent, but many know the truth yet still support mmg so they are infact accomplices like you.

3) I cannot think of anyone more I dislike in this community (or in my life really) and wouldn’t lose any sleep if you left this mortal coil.

Ill give you a suggestion. How about turning that dislike towards the person who constantly plays you for a fool and lies to you with every breathe while patting you on the head as you obey him like a good little puppy dog.

You ran off my msn because you couldnt handle the truth. You used to get upset when I destroyed every single defense you have of petros. Instead of being thankful you got upset and created new excuses to defend him. Totally brain washed. MMG is like a cult and petros’s ‘leader’ tag is very appropriate.

I used to be part of MMG quite a while ago, but these days as ever, my only connection to MMG is to render their cars (last one being on 4th July so that would have been my last contact with the group), as I do for FSOne, WSGT2, or any other people who may ask me. Thats what I do.

So where is this undying support you are talking about ?
Without you realising, you are mistaking my pleasure in just having a pop at you with support for them. You mistakenly think if I have a go at you I must be therefore supporing MMG. Not so. Im just having a go at you because you’re a troll and it makes me feel good to berate you because you’re the best kind of idiot. One that thinks he`s clever but isn’t.

But…given the choice of defending a mod group (remembering that MMG is more than just one person, it still contains hard working modders whatever you think of them or MMGs founder) or aligning myself with your ideals and the way you present yourself, MMG would win any time regardless of whatever was true about its founder. Thats how low you rank.
Despite any misgivings or issues they may have, it dwarfs in comparison to how pathetic you are. Even if you were 100% right in what you say, you have no idea how to present your case in a way that doesn’t make you look like a complete twat.
Realise one thing… Just because YOU say it, doesn’t make it so.

I don’t care either way about the stories you have to spin, whether they are true or not. Simply because it doesn’t bother me like it does you. It doesn’t affect my daily life, I have bigger things to concern myself with.
You on the other hand don’t yet realise how petty and stupid all your crap is in the grand scheme of things.

You feel like you are some modern day Jesus on a mission to preach your word to everyone. In reality you just come across as a pathetic troll with an axe to grind.
No-one here is ‘continually supporting and apologising for’ anyone. I have never ever apologised for MMG as its not my place to, so I dunno where the fk you get that idea. Again, these are just scenarios you make up in your tiny mind.
And if you need the definition of a scum bag, check the mirror.

Lastly, your reply to me was fine so why are you apologising for it ? Or are you just sucking up ? Something you are whinging at me for.

What you should be apologising for is every other post you’ve made. By comparison, this reply to me is an Oscar winner.

I’d be only too happy to continue this on MSN but for 2 reas… 3 reasons

1) You are way too repetitive and have too much or a narrow vision to see anyone else’s point of view. You completely fail to listen, so a conversation with you on this subject is a one way street – always ! Nor can you bring yourself to accept anything I have to say (same as will happen on this post).

2) You have nothing else to talk about except MMG. Thats the entire content of your conversations. Apart from MMG, your well is dry.

3) I cannot think of anyone more I dislike in this community (or in my life really) and wouldn’t lose any sleep if you left this mortal coil.

F1Racer:

You have this obsessive, sick and retarded need to piss all over MMG at every opportunity, rambling on with the same old scratched-record rhetoric as you’ve been doing for a long time now. Same old shit time and time again. How sad does that make you ? The fact that you cannot resist to do it, well, seems to me Petros has you beat. He`s got to you and your hooked and can’t let go.If he`s as bad as you make out, where the hell does that put you ?
Its not as if you’re even getting anywhere with your bullshit. I find people like to make up their own minds, not be told what to like or dislike by some babbling shit-for-brains..

Actually continually supporting and apologizing for someone like Petros mak is the definition of sick retarded and obsessive, not to mention brain washed. Im not sure under what logic me exposing a fraud and publically shaming him, means im beaten? Probably the same logic that motivates you to be his mate. Your the beaten one. Sucked in hook line and sinker by an amateurish net fraudster and blindingly supporting him to your last breath. Its really quite sad and pathetic to see grown men exploited this way.

He cant beat me because I dont fall for his bullshit and swallow his lies like the rest of you. You on the other hand have been totally owned!!!
If he was a sophisticated con man maybe Id understand but hes a joke and you getting brain washed by such a person says its all about you.

What does it make me? A hell of a better person you will ever be for supporting scum bags.

Oh and btw, sometimes people are too stupid and misinformed to make up their own minds and need you be helped, but sadly some are even too stupid and ignorant for that.

Sorry you have to read though that, but it is the cleaned up nice version.

Danny:

Maybe because its his right to free speech and he felt like it? Surely you have better things to do at your age than to be the official MMG apologist?

Fuck off Danny and keep the hell out of my business. I’ve purposely stayed out of your posts on here and I ask you do to likewise with mine and I don’t give a damn what you think your rights are.
You stay away from me and I`ll stay away from you. I think thats better for both of us and anyone in the crossfire. You think you can manage that ?
Of course feel free to have a little rant in reply to this one and let everything you’ve said before get repeated yet again.

Oh and fyi, free speech is an illusion you are sold. Get with it.
But, seeing as how you’re such a believer in the illusion of free speech, you won’t mind anything I say about you here.

You have this obsessive, sick and retarded need to piss all over MMG at every opportunity, rambling on with the same old scratched-record rhetoric as you’ve been doing for a long time now. Same old shit time and time again. How sad does that make you ? The fact that you cannot resist to do it, well, seems to me Petros has you beat. He`s got to you and your hooked and can’t let go.
If he`s as bad as you make out, where the hell does that put you ?

Its not as if you’re even getting anywhere with your bullshit. I find people like to make up their own minds, not be told what to like or dislike by some babbling shit-for-brains.

Christ knows why you’re even still allowed to post here but the fact that you are allows me this opportunity to reply to you which is fine by me.

OK so you do whatever your tiny mind allows you to in MMG threads. I`ll stay out of it like I have been doing (believe me Im doing you a favour there). But just stay far out of my life.
You have this idea that if I reply in an MMG topic that its an automatic cue for you to reply to me. Well it aint pal.
I ain’t apologising for anything mate and I ain’t official anything for MMG.
You are so far out of it you couldn’t guess which way an elevator was going if you had 2 guesses.