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Are they saying that aside from the monthly subscription, if you want to host your own races, you have to pay $3 per practice/quali/race session you wish to host?

Sure hope I read that wrong..

Works out considerably cheaper than renting a GPL or NR2003 server. Sounds like a bargin to me.

There’s never a taste too sour to swallow for the iRacing crowd!

Im not too sure thats what people had in mind iRacing.

Really, 3 bucks a pop to host 1 race?

hey forum trolls..its for League racing. SHOCK..yes it costs money to have a league that the server is run by iRacing. Obviously you people that complain about costs for hosted racing are people who never help pay for servers or help with costs to run a league.

So go scurry back to your rFactor server that someone else runs and pays for and run your long 5 lap races with a crap-ass mod.

A great, great addition to the iRacing service.

/Chris

$3 for each race? So, basically, it’s $23/month for people that pay the normal fee and want to host…………………….1 race a month? That’s a little over the top, IMO. As a person who prepaid for a year of iRacing, I think I have the right to say it’s sort of silly charging $3/race.

In retrospect, I wish I hadn’t pre-paid for a year. Oh well, live and learn.

Good news though for those willing to pay the fee.

That’s insane! And none of the leagues I run in pay for their own server. It’s run on the admins box.

I swear at this point with iRacing they sit around and have meetings and keep pushing to see just what they can get away with charging money for before there’s any sizable complaint.

More money than sense some people.

Ark:
$3 for each race? So, basically, it’s $23/month for people that pay the normal fee and want to host…………………….1 race a month? That’s ridiculous.

Jeezus you are freaking dumb. It costs the person running the league basically $2.50 per race for 60 race season to host them at iRacing. So..and try and follow along ..if you have 30 people in your league then it will cost each person a TOTAL contribution of $5 for the entire 60 race schedule.

Dave:
Jeezus you are freaking dumb. It costs the person running the league basically $2.50 per race for 60 race season to host them at iRacing. So..and try and follow along ..if you have 30 people in your league then it will cost each person a TOTAL contribution of $5 for the entire 60 race schedule.

Since this is the first time I have heard of this, I have both questions as well as concerns. If you want to be a jerk about it, than so be it. It’s apparent you are incapable of actually addressing anything without including an insult. Intelligent people know that not understanding something about a new subject does not mean the person/people are dumb. Exercise some intelligence yourself and learn this concept.

On a side note, knock the people who play rFactor all you want. Call their mods crappy (it is apparent you have not played many of them), at least they get different cars to race against at the same time (honest question, will this new iRacing Hosting option allow this?), all the while not spending $20/month. You, and I, in all actuality are paying more for less fidelity.

I am all for seeing how this new addition pans out, I am a year subscriber, but I still have my concerns.

Ark:

Since this is the first time I have heard of this, I have both questions as well as concerns.

So you are a member who must never read the iRacing forums and didn’t read the original story here on VirtualR where it states that it is just the Series Host that pays. Actually intelligent people read or try and be informed before posting..well reading most of them here I see its post first and maybe know something about what your posting about.

Mixed car type of racing is already supported and will be available for Leagues as has been discussed on the iRacing forums. Where are you getting the $20 a month number from? Just making it up so that you sound good to the trolls?

I would suggest you spend some time reading up on the system, whats available and how it works before posting drivel.

People make a good point, it’s definitely cheaper than hosting your own server (I imagine iRacing servers are top notch too).

Look forward to seeing how it all pans out.

The VirtualR article doesn’t mention it, but there will also be a cheaper package option available for league organizers with 60 races that cost $2.50 each. It still sounds expensive to me, but there’s a good chance it will get cheaper in the future. The pricing was largely dictated by concerns over fragmenting the user base and resulting in lots of empty servers in both hosted and official races if hosted racing was very cheap like originally planned.

Dave, would you give the whole “troll” this, that, and the other a rest already? It’s ridiculous, always has been. You seem to have a problem with anybody who speaks negatively of this game. Get over it. Stop getting upset whenever somebody post something negative about this product. It’s childish.

Working a 10-12 hour workday and having a baby does not allow me to maintain up-to-date on everything going on in iRacing…there are more important things to do. Believe it or not, my world does not revolve around iRacing, therefore, it is not the first thing I read up on when arriving home after work. Even now I am working and reading the iRacing forum intermittently. My time alottment for each day is a few hours total I actually get to regard as “free time”. I would love to spend more time with iRacing and learnig the software, but not at the expense of time with my little boy or wife.

I did not know what this was about, that is why there were question marks. At first glance (which is what quite a few consumers usually go off of, right or or wrong), this looks like just another cost. The issue is that cost is one of the biggest factors acting against iRacing…increasing it certainly will not help. It may get some people back who were once there, or renew some interest, but I seriously doubt it will attract a great number of new people. *******Do I think it’s a great addition and something the game needs? Most certainly, but again, it is an added cost that I do not fully understand, therefore, I am still hesitant regarding it’s implementation.********

When I joined, the subscription was $19 – $20/month (I can’t remember which). It’s $19/month now….is $1.00 that big of a deal? Are you really suggesting that $1 difference is a ploy being used by me to feed hate towards iRacing…are you really that out of touch? I want iRacing to be completely successful, that’s why I pre-paid for a year. Regrettful of pre-paying for a year or not, I still wold like to see iRacing hit a homerun.

My apolgies if I was a little long-winded above. It’s midnight here and I am really tired. I talk more as it gets later. lol

Ark I could careless what you do with your day. Is it too much to ask that when you post something that at least you have checked out the information? Seriously I would think you would owe it to yourself to do some research before posting. My problem with most of the posts here is that they are uninformed and like Unkledouchebag just an attempt to inflame people without really knowing the facts.

Do I think that iRacing hosting Leagues will increase membership? I have no idea. I didn’t state anything about it. What I was clarifying because it was obviously lost on you was the fact the costs for server hosting was MUCH lower than you were stating. Again..if there are 30 people in the league then the cost for a FULL year of league racing is $5 a year per person. Not month..a full year. I have been in plenty of leagues to know it usually costs way more than that to run one. Hopefully you aren’t so out of touch as to know that a full year membership isn’t $19 a month. But..I guess your busy.

Errr…..I was hoping for private races but thats not quite what I had in mind. Oh well

Anyways, regarding the cost and the general concept this is taken from the official post. Make of it what you will.

“A league administrator would be a “Series Host” or “Series Organizer.” He or she will be able to purchase a 60-PQR (Practice/Qual/Race) package for $150. Each one begins with a Practice session (unless Practice is set to zero) — followed the Qualifying session (unless Qual is set to zero) — followed by the Race session — PQR. 60 is enough for 52 weeks plus 8 extra PQRs. Essentially $2.50 per PQR.

They will set the time, password (if any), car, track, type of race, minimum SR, min/max iRating, length of race, yellows or not, fixed setup ability, rolling/standing start etc. The races would be gridded by qualifying time, then iRating (if no time is recorded for a driver). There will be easily accessible links with results for the 3 sessions (Practice, Qual, Race)

Also any member can “Host” a PQR anytime they want by purchasing individual PQRs at $3.00 each. Anyone within a Club or chatting in a practice session, can at any time, create a PQR.

The PQR session will start moments after it is initiated and run for a prescribed period set by the Host – long enough to include x minutes of practice, x minutes of qualify and x laps of racing. In running a league, he/she would initiate the PQR perhaps a half hour before the league race time and have at least half an hour of practice.

While the costs are less than we have been discussing of late, they are enough to keep people who aren’t serious or who aren’t going to have enough members to race from continually scheduling PQR sessions.

There is no cost to members who join these sessions.

There are over 1000 race sim leagues and/or associations out there internationally. This new feature will certainly increase membership and will lead to much larger fields for our official series.”

Calm down Dave. I know you are sick and tired of all iRacing bashing but your attitude is not helping at all.

I think iRacing made a mistake when they didn’t explain clearly enough who is paying for “server rent” and how is it actually working. Of course running a server farm costs and because of these new hosted iRacing demands even more hardware etc. it is obvious that those fees have to cover somehow. Second reason is to avoid random and endless amount of “leagues” which are running only a couple of time and then whitering away.

The thing i dont get, people still get soo highly emotional about the fees?
Nobody is forcing you to buy right..
Imo its not iRacing where the problem lies, but unsolved private issues 4 sure..

ForzaBarca88:
Errr…..I was hoping for private races but thats not quite what I had in mind. Oh well

Out of curiosity, if this isn’t what you had in mind, what was? Were you hoping for more control by iRacing?

This is good news!

In our rFactor-league we run a bit over 60 official races per year. The server cost is around 1300 dollars per year (for hosting it in a server-farm only as we have allready bought and paid for the server). If you divide by 60 the cost per race is 22 dollars…

So I can’t say the iRacing-league price is anything to complain about.

iracing is pushing over the limit. This is completely ridiculous to me, I mean, $3 just for one race?
If I put a private home server online in other simulators I can do whatever the races I want, and the time I want.
Hope they fail and open their eyes

Can you host iRacing on your own server, or is this a charge on their server?

Dave, being insulting towards people is low and does your comments no good.

I enjoyed having a months vacation away from people like you in the sim community, sadly you and others have still to grow up.

I like iRacing, I dont have enough free time for it right now, but I do find it to be the best sim for online pickup races. I dont have time for leaque racing in rF either, but I do enjoy hosting the ocasional race, on my own pc, for free.

Its little extra costs like this that may stop me returning to iRacing when I have more than 2 or 3 hours a week for sim racing. Ah well. Bye.

Um, read the post right above yours.

Your comments really don’t make much sense now.

drdryvillage:
iracing is pushing over the limit. This is completely ridiculous to me, I mean, $3 just for one race?
If I put a private home server online in other simulators I can do whatever the races I want, and the time I want.
Hope they fail and open their eyes

The reason they are charging for races is 1. to cover server and web costs, and 2. to try to minimize the amount of races people actually host so it doesn’t kill the official races.

And there is a participation plan coming along with hosted racing, so racing a minimun of 16 official races every 3 months you can get $60 credit per year for extra content or to pay your subscription fee.

“A member who participates in at least 8 Race Weeks in a particular official series (ORGS ARE UNOFFICIAL) next season receives a $7.50 iRacing Credit after the season ends. If a member accomplishes this in two separate series during a season, such member will receive a $15 iRacing Credit after the season ends. $15 is the maximum Credit a member may obtain through this Participation Plan in any season.

If a member takes full advantage of the Participation Plan, he will save an additional $60 per year. Right now an annual subscription is $156. Therefore, the annual cost could become as low as $96. That essentially reduces the cost from $13 per month to $8 per month! But you have to participate in official iRacing series as explained above. The Participation Plan will be evaluated each season.

John Henry”

Our league rents a server for $31 a month, and races 6 nights a week. At $3 a pop that’s 70+ bucks a month to have it hosted by iRacing. Add to that the fact that all of our drivers would need to be subscribers, as well as probably having to have purchased any track or car we plan to use, and you’re talking about a decent amount of change. I can’t see many bigger leagues taking advantage of this. Its use will probably be limited to small leagues or to special events.

navalhawkeye:
The reason they are charging for races is 1. to cover server and web costs, and 2. to try to minimize the amount of races people actually host so it doesn’t kill the official races.

Yes your first point is valid, but it should be possible to host a race on your own box. Has it been stated by iRacing that you can or cant use your own hardware for the host? If you cant then I see that as a weakness in getting more subscribers because leagues that own or have paid rent on a server might not be thrilled at the prospect of having no use for it if they were to join iracing.

Your second point raises a very interesting question, if true then iRacing must realise there is a potential lack of subscribers to fill the the official races and that there could be a weakness in there sporting and business model. Which in the long term might make some weary of spending good money on content that they may not be able to race due to lack of opponents.

They could enforce a limit on the number of hosted races people could enter per week/season which would counteract that. But then that would reduce the amount of people buying a PRQ package, which would enrage their bean counters! So I doubt that will happen.
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Thats an interesting anouncement Martko. It would be a good move for iRacing.

wvu_sam: ucks a month to have it hosted by iRacing. Add to that the fact that all of our drivers would need to be subscribers, as well as probably having to have purchased any track or car we plan to use, and you’re talking about a decent amount of change. I can’t see many bigger leagues taking advantage of this. Its use will probably be limited to small leagues or to special events.

Exactly. It’s not meant for everyone. Some leagues run cheaper servers and some others allow users with cracked software to join in. To them it will look expensive. iRacing focus is not on them.

See it as a kind of filter if you will. The price to pay means that an Admin must be serious about his doings. You’d be surprised how well this has worked so far in other aspects of the service.

Regards,

/Chris

/Chris

Well, it costs a loads of money to buy other server hosts so i find iRacing waay more cheaper, and also realistic^^

NombreyApellido:

Exactly. It’s not meant for everyone. Some leagues run cheaper servers and some others allow users with cracked software to join in. To them it will look expensive. iRacing focus is not on them.
See it as a kind of filter if you will. The price to pay means that an Admin must be serious about his doings. You’d be surprised how well this has worked so far in other aspects of the service.
Regards,
/Chris
/Chris

WOW,

Thats a bit strong.

Are you saying if you cant afford or wont pay the amount iRacing charge, your a cheapskate possibly without morals (as far as copywrite goes) and/or a theif?

I hope thats not what you mean because that really would be a perfect closing argument in the prosecution of ‘the eliteist mentalitiy of SOME iRacing subscribers’

We are quite serious about our league and run it in a very professional manner. The fact that we do it on a shoestring budget does not mean we run a slipshod or poor quality operation. I agree with unklepepper that your comments are a bit out of line and ill informed.

NombreyApellido:

Exactly. It’s not meant for everyone. Some leagues run cheaper servers and some others allow users with cracked software to join in. To them it will look expensive. iRacing focus is not on them.
See it as a kind of filter if you will. The price to pay means that an Admin must be serious about his doings. You’d be surprised how well this has worked so far in other aspects of the service.
Regards,
/Chris
/Chris

If you don’t play at iRacing then you support the piracy.
You think he is some kind of elite to spend U$S500in a GAME?
iRacing sets a price for private leagues only because it is a BUSINESS and that’s ok but for that reason those who don’t play iRacing not going to be pirates, bad guys, etc.

FooAtari:
Um, read the post right above yours.
Your comments really don’t make much sense now.

So what?? I put my home server in LFS, rfactor, whatever, I race with my friends how much I want with zero lag and I pay 0 (ZERO, read well…)
This make no sense either? Wake up..

wvu_sam:
I can’t see many bigger leagues taking advantage of this. Its use will probably be limited to small leagues or to special events.

I don’t understand why only small leagues would race once a week. Most big traditional leagues only do one official race per week at most, and the iRacing hosted racing system is designed for those kind of leagues, not the more informal racing that lots of groups do.

drdryvillage:

So what?? I put my home server in LFS, rfactor, whatever, I race with my friends how much I want with zero lag and I pay 0 (ZERO, read well…)
This make no sense either? Wake up..

Free servers, at last! Where can I get one? I assume it includes maintenance, stats, website, bandwidth and all other necessities.

jux:

Free servers, at last! Where can I get one? I assume it includes maintenance, stats, website, bandwidth and all other necessities.

You are funny. Even if you have rented server, you can do all the races you want. $3 for race looks like exploration. Just for the record… I have iracing subscription and i like it.

jux:

I don’t understand why only small leagues would race once a week. Most big traditional leagues only do one official race per week at most, and the iRacing hosted racing system is designed for those kind of leagues, not the more informal racing that lots of groups do.

We have 5 distinct series running on 5 nights per week, all with structured seasons and championships, all running different mods. It’s an very eclectic mix. One night a week I would categorize as informal. I guess we’re the exception.

Personally I have not tried iRacing because of the extra fees for tracks and cars. If it was limited to the monthly fee I might give it a try. I don’t like the prospect of being nickled and dimed to death.

drdryvillage:

You are funny. Even if you have rented server, you can do all the races you want. $3 for race looks like exploration. Just for the record… I have iracing subscription and i like it.

Exploitation is probably the word you’re looking for. The system is designed for leagues that run once per week, and for them the pricing is very reasonable. Besides, saying that anything in this world comes for free is just bullshit. Running a league takes time and effort and some financial investment no matter how you’re doing it.

wvu_sam:

We have 5 distinct series running on 5 nights per week, all with structured seasons and championships, all running different mods. It’s an very eclectic mix. One night a week I would categorize as informal. I guess we’re the exception.

Then it’s just a different definition of the word “league”. If I understood correctly, I would say that you run 5 leagues, each running once a week.

I’m sorry, English is not my native language. That’s the right word, thanks.

Its nice saying its designed for 1 race a week league races, like some say the SR is like the money you have to pay when someone crashes into your car, and so on. Why cant we be reasonable?
They cant make money with this, we pay subscriptions and content. And we pay a lot. I think there is more reasonable prices, but no, $3 and shut up. That’s a lot of money per race in my eyes, sorry.

I’m waiting for the day we need to buy virtual time on track, tires and virtual fuel. (don’t get mad I’m only joking )

jux:

Exploitation is probably the word you’re looking for. The system is designed for leagues that run once per week, and for them the pricing is very reasonable. Besides, saying that anything in this world comes for free is just bullshit. Running a league takes time and effort and some financial investment no matter how you’re doing it.

jux:

Then it’s just a different definition of the word “league”. If I understood correctly, I would say that you run 5 leagues, each running once a week.

We call them series, like NASCAR is a league running a number of different series (Cup, Nationwide, Trucks, regional series), etc….

It’s all semantics, but we do all work together to develop each series, share the web server, race server, and other resources. It really is a single league the way it’s managed.

drdryvillage:
They cant make money with this, we pay subscriptions and content. And we pay a lot. I think there is more reasonable prices, but no, $3 and shut up. That’s a lot of money per race in my eyes, sorry.

In my opinion the hosted racing system should be free. They charge for it only to influence how and what people will race. But still, $150 divided between 30 people isn’t much, and for a year’s worth of league racing it’s a very small sum.

I agree that the whole sum dividing by league paying subscribers is good deal.
But this takes away the possibility of setting up a server for one whole night to have fun with my friends. That’s a shame

Now we can have a Late Model Road Course series!!

This is a fantastic result!

Not only for the shear amount of comments posted over 1 day, but they are also long-winded and very detailed as well.
I’m looking forward to reading all these intellectually entertaining arguments over a cup of tea later on, cheers!

carbonfibre:
This is a fantastic result!
Not only for the shear amount of comments posted over 1 day, but they are also long-winded and very detailed as well.
I’m looking forward to reading all these intellectually entertaining arguments over a cup of tea later on, cheers!

and maybe you’ll post something actually wise and relative to the topic..

drdryvillage:
So what?? I put my home server in LFS, rfactor, whatever, I race with my friends how much I want with zero lag and I pay 0 (ZERO, read well…)This make no sense either? Wake up..

Again about money….

unklepepper:

WOW,
Thats a bit strong.
Are you saying if you cant afford or wont pay the amount iRacing charge, your a cheapskate possibly without morals (as far as copywrite goes) and/or a theif?
I hope thats not what you mean because that really would be a perfect closing argument in the prosecution of ‘the eliteist mentalitiy of SOME iRacing subscribers’

Wow… That’s stretching things a bit. Pass the pipe!

You seem to have some low self esteem issue. If I say it may look expensive to some, you don’t need to feel insulted. As when I don’t when you suggest that subscribers have this or that mentality, see?

Take care,

/Chris

Yeah, you must be right.

GeraArg:

If you don’t play at iRacing then you support the piracy.
You think he is some kind of elite to spend U$S500in a GAME?
iRacing sets a price for private leagues only because it is a BUSINESS and that’s ok but for that reason those who don’t play iRacing not going to be pirates, bad guys, etc.

No and definitely no. Check your water supply, I think you have an infestation somewhere.

I think I know the reasons why YOU don’t play iRacing. But that’s another subject.

Take care and get well soon.

/Chris

wvu_sam: s running on 5 nights per week, all with structured seasons and championships, all running different mods. It’s an very eclectic mix. One night a week I would categorize as informal. I guess we’re the exception.
Personally I have not tried iRacing because of the extra fees for tracks and cars. If it was limited to the monthly fee I might give it a try. I don’t like the p

What is your league? Sounds like a nice place to be around.

Regards,

/Chris

NombreyApellido:

No and definitely no. Check your water supply, I think you have an infection somewhere.
I think I know the reasons why YOU don’t play iRacing. But that’s another subject.
Take care and get well soon.
/Chris

It all rice & peas man, chill

NombreyApellido:
I think I know the reasons why YOU don’t play iRacing.

You are Aladdin?

NombreyApellido:

What is your league? Sounds like a nice place to be around.
Regards,
/Chris

http://www.mnrlonline.com

Monday Night Racing League

GeraArg:

You are Aladdin?

Nah, you’re not that hard to read… And you’re on pretty much every forum like me, so I think I have a clear picture by now.

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Many thanks wvu, will check it out for sure.

/Chris

Surely it is so simple that your fanaticism for the GAME…

Aha! The fanaticism card! Wel played, sir. Well played indeed. Now all my arguments are invalid. I’ve been clearly defeated.

/Chris

Sorry, what arguments that have had any value in the discussion of this subject have you made?

All you and others have done is try to discredit people by calling them names & trying to make them look stupid. Your a disgrace to iRacing & simming as a whole.

Speaking as a subscriber, I dont like this development really, it not as expensive as many expected for one race but as I already pay alot why the hell should I pay more to host a occasional customized race with some friends. We go back to rfactor quite a bit right now with the endurance series which is on par with iRacing we feel. It would have cost us $60+ in the last few weeks in iRacing for that!

Jamesy:
Sorry, what arguments that have had any value in the discussion of this subject have you made?
All you and others have done is try to discredit people by calling them names & trying to make them look stupid. Your a disgrace to iRacing & simming as a whole.
Speaking as a subscriber, I dont like this development really, it not as expensive as many expected for one race but as I already pay alot why the hell should I pay more to host a occasional customized race with some friends. We go back to rfactor quite a bit right now with the endurance series which is on par with iRacing we feel. It would have cost us $60+ in the last few weeks in iRacing for that!

Well, I talked about this being an addition to the present service, about the focus of iRacing, and about how the price scheme has affected the general experience in what I believe to be a positive way.

I talk back in the same tone that it’s used to address me. I could do that again with you, but I see you’re particularly sensitive about it.

If you can still enjoy yourself with some friends with another game, what is the problem? It’s not like anyone is forcing you to pay. Hosted iRacing will be a new option and as with all options, you can take it or leave it.

What’s you user name in iRacing? Just to say hi! if we come across.

Regards,

/Chris