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Lazer scanned track? Yes, so no question it’s the best Zandvoort ever made for sim racing!

But something is weird in iRacing’s version there’s too much rubber on track it’s like as F1 cars have been running there for like 1 full year everyday non-stop at least to get that amount of rubber that’s the only way and the real track has wayyyyyyy less rubber and iRacing should fix that!

Wow the iRacing track looks really detailed & has a good perspective too!

What I do find amazing is that the ‘real’ car is a GT4 (I can tell by the other cars on track and the in-car sign saying ‘Tango’, which is the main sponsor of the Dutch GT4 champ.), and the car used in iRacing is a GT1 ‘Vette (if I’m not mistaking).

So was one of the videos speeded up or down to make them run equal, or was that Dutch GT4 driver just bloody fast .

Anyway, track looks nice, do agree on the rubber though. That’s a lot.

What can I say?

Track looks perfect, gradients, bumps, textures, lighting all look very realistic.

Another feather in the cap.

gtrNL.So was one of the videos speeded up or down to make them run equal, or was that Dutch GT4 driver just bloody fast<

The real footage was sped up (Tim wrote this in the FB video info), you can see this in the faster sections actually.
According to the teams website a GT4 class C6 lap would be 1:51ish

hendormaster:
The real footage was sped up (Tim wrote this in the FB video info), you can see this in the faster sections actually.
According to the teams website a GT4 lap would be 1:51ish

Cheers. Didn’t really pay attention at the speed of the GT4…

Quite amazing, it looks identical to the real version

felipe:
But something is weird in iRacing’s version there’s too much rubber on track it’s like as F1 cars have been running there for like 1 full year everyday non-stop at least to get that amount of rubber that’s the only way and the real track has wayyyyyyy less rubber and iRacing should fix that!

Good point!

I think we all understand that iRacing uses laser scanning, blah blah, all portajohns are models in their correct spots, etc. I don’t see the point of these side-by-side vids. If they want my time (and money), show me a side by side of iRacing and GTR2/rFactor to show me how much “better” their track is.

Also, how are they going to replicate the sandy conditions? Will it be different each time as the way dictates?

So it looks like SimBin’s version of Zandvoort from WTCC is rather close. It would be interesting to a side by side of that.

Bullet66: I think we all understand that iRacing uses laser scanning, blah blah, all portajohns are models in their correct spots, etc.I don’t see the point of these side-by-side vids.If they want my time (and money), show me a side by side of iRacing and GTR2/rFactor to show me how much “better” their track is.

Blah blah to you. Most of the content of virtualr.net consists of previews, screenshots and videos of upcoming and newly released content for various sims. Maybe you should post the same diatribe against all the modders posting previews too, because this video is no different from the rest of the stuff.

ermax18: So it looks like SimBin’s version of Zandvoort from WTCC is rather close. It would be interesting to a side by side of that.

I think your SOOO far off! lol Still people compare them hehe..
I frequently race at Zandvoort, believe me the SB version is far from real..
This is not about SB, but iRacing gees

is this really the best camera position to do a track comparison…

lol, just release the damn track!
Of niet Jos, ja toch gvd

the car used in iRacing is a GT1 ‘Vette (if I’m not mistaking).So was one of the videos speeded up or down to make them run equal, or was that Dutch GT4 driver just bloody fast .Anyway, track looks nice, do agree on the rubber though. That’s a lot.

Track Comparisons are always speed variations to keep the tracks aligned. Its hard to make a lap comparison on a track comparison.
For those who have not tried iRacing yet .. believe me , the tracks are hard to beat.

Not beatable by well known other sims!

Diswanio:
I think your SOOO far off! lol Still people compare them hehe..
I frequently race at Zandvoort, believe me the SB version is far from real..
This is not about SB, but iRacing gees

Sorry great one, I live in the states and haven’t driven it IRL. A comparison video would be a great way to prove how bad SimBin’s is though. I am not doubting iRacing’s is acurite. I think your coming to iRacing’s rescue prematurely.

Bullet66: I think we all understand that iRacing uses laser scanning, blah blah, all portajohns are models in their correct spots, etc.I don’t see the point of these side-by-side vids.If they want my time (and money), show me a side by side of iRacing and GTR2/rFactor to show me how much “better” their track is.Also, how are they going to replicate the sandy conditions?Will it be different each time as the way dictates?

Even if iRacing’s Zandvoort looked better than the GTR 2 and rFactor versions in a comparison video, it wouldn’t be the best selling point.

The biggest advantage of iRacing’s tracks only can be felt when you put your hands on the wheel. Laser scanning captures every bump, every crack, every imperfection and transmits it through the wheel via iRacing’s superb force feedback in a way that GTR 2 and rFactor can’t replicate.

Yep, the SimBin version of Zandvoort isn’t all that good.

There are severe bumps in places of the track which don’t exist in real life, which dramatically change the lines you can take if you drive rear wheel drive cars especially. For example, in SimBin’s version they have modelled a severe bump on the exit rumble strip of Tarzan hairpin which plainly doesnt exist in reality. Some of the undulations are too exaggerated in the SimBin version and again more bumps which aren’t realistic like in the middle of the last corner etc.

The reason iRacing doesn’t do a side by side with another sim is because sim racers are not the target market. There are only like 100 of us lol. There are many more real racers and fans of real racing than sim racers. A race fan doesn’t care to see 2 sims side by side. Nascar fans want to see iRacing and real Nascar compared. A sim racer shouldn’t care how real the game track is as long as its fun.

hoboracer, there are many real racers running iRacing but the are WAY more that are simracers. Don’t kid yourself. I always talk to other drivers at events about simracing and iRacing and very rarely do I find any that are into it or know anything about it.

But your right, they do try to target SCCA members. They gave us a month trial before they gave out free trials to everyone.

hoboracer: The reason iRacing doesn’t do a side by side with another sim is because sim racers are not the target market. There are only like 100 of us lol.

There are hundreds of thousands of PC simracers.

hoboracer:
The reason iRacing doesn’t do a side by side with another sim is because sim racers are not the target market. There are only like 100 of us lol. There are many more real racers and fans of real racing than sim racers.

ermax18:
hoboracer, there are many real racers running iRacing but the are WAY more that are simracers.

You’re both right I think.. the simracing community in total is pretty small. But these were the first to migrate to iRacing. I believe this target group is pretty much saturated now. Most of those who have some interest in trying iRacing have either already done so, or are staying away because of personal reasons. I believe most of iRacing’s future members will be either real life racers, race fans, or other categories. Not simracers.

Back on topic: I really love the look of this track!! The colours look brilliant, and the trackside details are great. Ahhh, how I miss my wheel….!

Gnomie,

Here are the last two weeks of new iRacing members. They have been between 40 – 100 everyday for a long time.

Last week: sunday 67, monday 54, tuesday 53, wednesday 50, thursday 45, friday 48, saturday 58

This week: sunday 73, monday 57, tuesday 41, wednesday xx, thursday xx, friday xx, saturday xx

That seems like quite a growth to me. And it is very steady too.

ChadSmith2: Gnomie,Here are the last two weeks of new iRacing members. They have been between 40 – 100 everyday for a long time.
Last week: sunday 67, monday 54, tuesday 53, wednesday 50, thursday 45, friday 48, saturday 58
This week: sunday 73, monday 57, tuesday 41, wednesday xx, thursday xx, friday xx, saturday xxThat seems like quite a growth to me. And it is very steady too.

It’s non of my business what people do with their money but paying to rent your own game hell NO! I spend over U$1000 every year with games for my PS3 BUT I own them all If I want to give them away if I want to sell it second hand or just keep it eating dust or even smash them on the wall I can ’cause it’s MY I payed for it period.
But I also see that most of these people in your numbers after their 3 months are over they are gone for they realize exactly what I’ve said so your numbers are quite misleading!

How did you extrapolate that from his numbers? He is only showing people joining, not leaving.

Who cares if you own it or not. Is simracing not worth $13 a month? What do people spend a month on cigarettes? Does anyone know if these same repetitive discussions go on about games like WoW? Just curious.

Gnomie: You’re both right I think.. the simracing community in total is pretty small. But these were the first to migrate to iRacing. I believe this target group is pretty much saturated now.

I wouldn’t call hundreds of thousands small. Admittedly iRacing by not offering AI so far have ruled themselves out of the main part of the market. But iRacing’s arrival has had no obvious affect on the numbers racing other sims such as LFS, rFactor and the Simbin titles. So even among the on-line sim racers there is still potentially a large market.

One factor is that LFS, rFactor and the Simbin titles all have on-line peaks in the European evening, indicating that their communities are mainly European. iRacing have understandably mainly targetted US simracers so far.

ermax18: How did you extrapolate that from his numbers? He is only showing people joining, not leaving.Who cares if you own it or not. Is simracing not worth $13 a month? What do people spend a month on cigarettes? Does anyone know if these same repetitive discussions go on about games like WoW? Just curious.

Cigarettes? Felipe is too busy for smoking, he is playing old Nintendo games, the ones he bought in the ’80s.. and sure thing, he “invests” thousands a year in his future!

Here we go again, trolling about money!

Diswanio: Here we go again, trolling about money!

Everything comes down to money… Politics, war, simracing, etc. If iRacing cost $60 at the outset, no more would be complaining about iRacing than the poor quality of any other software they bought.

I wasn’t slamming iRacing, I just doubt their marketing should be focused on realism at this point (in his crowd at least). If it is, we’re not their target market, we’re simracers, we know the deal with their product. They need more ads in Grassroots Motorsports and SCCA magazines.

lol

Felipe,

Renting the game is not that big of a deal. Right now, I’m very interested in the game. Just like when a new NFS, Forza, or GT comes out. So, if I ever get tired of iRacing I will “shelve” it, just as you would when a new NFS, Forza, or GT comes out. Instead of just popping iRacing back in my console, I have to pay $13 for one month.

I’m not too worried about all the money I have spent on it. Things go out of style. There is no point in regretting all that money you spent on Flat Panel TVs when they first came out, but now they can be bought for $400.

felipe: It’s non of my business what people do with their money but paying to rent your own game hell NO! I spend over U$1000 every year with games for my PS3 BUT I own them all If I want to give them away if I want to sell it second hand or just keep it eating dust or even smash them on the wall I can ’cause it’s MY I payed for it period.

That is hilarious!!! You spend $1000 every year to OWN PS3 games that you play for 3 months max and then never touch again, but you constantly complain about iRacing which costs $200 per year in membership/cars/tracks that you keep on playing long-term.

Your logic for constantly bashing iRacing is weak, weak, weak.

felipe, your anti iracing rants get very old. time to get over it

iRacing suits me to a tee, setup the cockpit when I feel like it, go race and pack it away.

I could no longer committ to a set day/time league anymore. Worth the $$ imo.

Track looks great :)

ermax18: hoboracer, there are many real racers running iRacing but the are WAY more that are simracers. Don’t kid yourself. I always talk to other drivers at events about simracing and iRacing and very rarely do I find any that are into it or know anything about it.But your right, they do try to target SCCA members. They gave us a monthtrial before they gave out free trials to everyone.

I’m talking about people in general. There are millions of race fans, millions of gamers, hundreds of thousands of real race drivers, and a few tens of thousands of “sim racers”. Have you seen the new GT5 Nascar video? They know the market is race fans & gamers, not PC sim racers. iRacing is going for the same market but trying to convince them they need to buy a pc to run it. They aren’t dominating any market.

Yippee.. Zandvoort is online.. I guess I have a new toy to play with this weekend. :)

hoboracer, no question they know how to market. I downloaded that GT5:TT demo on a friends PS3 and did a few laps with a gamepad before the wife told me to drop the controller so we could head out to dinner. :) When I exited to see my rank I was blow away to see I was in 73,000th place! I did that Xmas1000 hotlap that RFC did and was impressed that 2000 or so participated. Hahaha..

I think a lot of it is simply the platform (console). Not just marketing. Speaking of marketing. I go to Sebring 12h, Road Atlanta 10h and Daytona 24h every year and I was surprised that iRacing wasn’t at Datona this year. Maybe I just couldn’t find them but I was looking because I wanted to test out the pedals they alway have on their rig. I will look again at Sebring in a few weeks.