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Looks great!

99% already, they have been very quite about it

Looks great, definite must buy… wonder if they’ll wait until start of next season or release it earlier…

kludger: Looks great, definite must buy… wonder if they’ll wait until start of next season or release it earlier…

Post on the forum said 1-2 weeks, me thinks its a christmas present

moppenheimer:
Post on the forum said 1-2 weeks, me thinks its a christmas present

what kind of present you pay to rent? Wanna drive at Brands Hatch sure… buy the track and then pay to use it every month if you stop paying you won’t be able to use it! I guess you work in one of those bailed out banks!

You’re still looking at it wrong, it’s not a boxed game to take home, it’s an online league you pay to take part in. But I’m sure you knew that. ;)

Track looks good although I’ll sure have to get used to the curbs, they looked wider (and flatter?) in pretty much every other game I drove the track on.
Looking especially forward to the back, GP bit of the track with it’s tree canopies overhaning the track!

Is it the trend now that in every iRacing thread there is at least one person whining on about iRacing’s pricing structure ?

It’s getting very tiring and monotonous now. We get it ! Some people don’t like how it works. OK fine we understand. We get that you’re pissed off because you’d like to be part of iRacing but can’t or won’t be because of the pricing.
But a lot of people are enjoying it and although I don’t use it I can see how it is better that it is the more exclusive club thing as it keeps out a lot of those who would go in just to be an idiot or a wrecker.
If you’re one of the whiners about iRacing, face reality, no-one cares except you.
iRacing is working whether you whine or not.

Anyway..the last track comparisons on Road America looked incredible side by side and its amazing how car sims have now come. Brands also looks great.
I hope to participate for at lest some length of time in 2010 once Ive got my other priorities sorted out first and can afford to spend this money to enjoy myself (which works out cheaper than going out on the piss btw – not that I do).

I’ll whine about iracing but I wont whine about price. I don’t like how it’s only spec cars and there’s no offline racing. I mean I get that their development process is involved but why can’t we get at least a few make series like DTM or V8 Supercars fully fielded? Does it have something to do with netcode?

free2game365: I’ll whine about iracing but I wont whine about price. I don’t like how it’s only spec cars and there’s no offline racing. I mean I get that their development process is involved but why can’t we get at least a few make series like DTM or V8 Supercars fully fielded? Does it have something to do with netcode?

Licensing.

felipe: what kind of present you pay to rent? Wanna drive at Brands Hatch sure… buy the track and then pay to use it every month if you stop paying you won’t be able to use it! I guess you work in one of those bailed out banks!

Felipe, did you buy a cell phone? When you quit paying for the monthly fee, what can you do with your cell phone? Will it make phone calls? Will it text your friends? I guess you could use it as a paper weight… ;-)

A cell phone is pretty much like a track you buy with iRacing. Quit paying the monthly fee and you can’t do much with an iRacing track of a cell phone until you start paying the monthly fee. Then both of them magically start working again… :-)

A lot like cable tv or satellite too. Buy the dish. Pay the monthly fee. Quit paying the monthly fee you now are the proud owner of a dish… :-)

iRacing doesn’t have a revolutionary business model. I don’t see people not buying a cell phone or cable or a satellite dish because of if. They might not because it’s too expensive, but they don’t go on the Direct TV or Verizon forums everyday and complain about having to buy a cell phone.

Yeah, it’s expensive, but this constant complaining about the business model is comical. It is what it is. At the end of the day it cost X dollars per month. How you pay the money is really irrelevant. It’s still just X dollars per month. It’s either too expensive for you or it isn’t.

Stop with the “why should I buy tracks” complaints. A higher monthly fee isn’t magically cheaper. If they give you the tracks for free, but charge you $25 a month instead of $8 it’s still the same price in the end. Do the math.

Tracks are between $12 and $15 each. Even if you wanted to keep up and buy them all, iRacing doesn’t even release more than 1 or 2 maximum per month. And half are ovals and half road.

I buy every road track now, and I’m lucky to get to purchase a new track per month. The last track was Mosport. And I raced the heck out of it. Well worth the $15. Great track.

And I’ll buy Brands Hatch too. And I’m sure I’ll log a bunch of time running practice sessions and fun races and eventually an official race or two in and official series.

Sim racing is a year round hobby for me. I hope they never stop releasing tracks.

Lincoln to the rescue. For me the trumpet charge of the die hards with all the weird analogies are getting as tiresome as the “iRacing is expensive!” posts.

In other news the track looks good, and Paddock Hill bend is just scary. One thing that would make this track look much better would be better trees, but I guess thats not an essential upgrade versus fps.

Pretty dam impressive :) Looking forward to seeing this in the new season schedules :)

stabiz: Lincoln to the rescue. For me the trumpet charge of the die hards with all the weird analogies are getting as tiresome as the “iRacing is expensive!” posts.In other news the track looks good, and Paddock Hill bend is just scary. One thing that would make this track look much better would be better trees, but I guess thats not an essential upgrade versus fps.

One poster at a time Stabiz. I only counter-punched a tired complaint, but a poster, Felipe who has posted before with the same exact complaint. Hopefully, he’s done on that topic.

My posts come in two forms. On topic positive posts or posts counter-punching.

I could go into every rFactor, GTR2, etc thread and say, “Great mod, but it’s just a skin on top of the same old tired engine”. Or I could say, “those graphics look very cartoony”. Or I could say, “Too bad it isn’t laser scanned, because I hate non-laser scanned tracks” or so on and so on. Plenty of boring complaints I could litter every thread with, but I don’t do that. I’d like VirtualR to be quality thoughtful researched posts on topic. Maybe it should be a troll fest… :-)

I think those type of posts are just negative and meant to undermine the people who are enjoying rFactor, GTR2 etc. I’ve raced rFactor, GTR2, LFS and NetKar. All terrific sims. I don’t see any reason to troll those forums being negative.

I flat out love Brands Hatch and think this is a great addition. First drove it it (virtually) in the GTR2002 mod by SBDT. Never could master it though. Though I’m not in love with the Indy layout that the BTCC runs now, the full circuit is a *true* natural terrain road course. Paddock Hill is just ridiculous…ought to be some interesting T1s into that thing at the start of a race.

Haven’t bought content since Oct 08, and have put the sim aside for now, but might pick this up if it’s on the Skip or SM schedule for S1 2010 if I get back into things…

Wow, the track looks amazing.

SimBin, please note; this is what Brands Hatch is supposed to look like.

A shame, as I am in the “not buying due to pricing”, not bitter though.

Enjoy it guys!

Ben.

BenUK: Wow, the track looks amazing.SimBin, please note; this is what Brands Hatch is supposed to look like.A shame, as I am in the “not buying due to pricing”, not bitter though.Enjoy it guys!Ben.

Yeah, for sim racing, iRacing’s price is high for sure. Glad you’re not bitter! :-)

I hope the price is lowered even further eventually or that Brands Hatch and other tracks gets you on board. It does look great. Hard to believe Brands Hatch will be out in 2 weeks. I wasn’t expecting it so soon. :-)

It’s true that this track(too) can be dangerous for our SR’s…

F1Racer: Is it the trend now that in every iRacing thread there is at least one person whining on about iRacing’s pricing structure ?
It’s getting very tiring and monotonous now.We get it !Some people don’t like how it works.OK fine we understand.

huge +1

jux:
Licensing.

That’s a load of bull, they’ve got one V8 Supercar by Ford coming, and they’ve got other GM based cars. Why can’t they have both.

free2game365: I’ll whine about iracing but I wont whine about price. I don’t like how it’s only spec cars and there’s no offline racing. I mean I get that their development process is involved but why can’t we get at least a few make series like DTM or V8 Supercars fully fielded? Does it have something to do with netcode?

I’d like to see mixed class racing too. iRacing has it during their Week 13 and Fun races, but have yet to offer it for official race series. I enjoy ALMS style and mixed classes too.

They may offer mixed car/class racing in their next build. It’s been mentioned in interviews that it has a chance for January.

They have already licensed the Super V8′s and other cars are coming too. The Ford GT in another. Indy Lights. There are more, but I forget all of them at the moment.

I’d like to see more Euro/Intl cars like Ferrari, BMW, Porsche, Audi. They have one VW the Jetta TDI, but we need more.

I guess the Lotus would be considered outside North America and the V8′s too. They seem to have a consistent pipeline of new announcements and content, so it will happen.

It’s more than mixed ‘class”, it’s mixed chassis within a class that iRacing is missing (and for mixed classes, figuring out how to do it without someone having to buy every car..which they said they’re working on). Even a Mixed class race with 3 different ‘spec’ classes is really just more cars on track…but you’re really only racing the exact same car in your class with more lapped/lapping traffic thrown in.

Look at the new cars: The new Aussie V8s iRAcing is getting only has *one* of the makes, so it will be a spec series. Indy lights has only one chasis so is spec. The Ford GT is an ALMS GT2 car…the current C6.R is a GT1 car…no mixed chasis racing there. Even the Ford Mustang is a Grand Am GT spec car, not even close to ALMS GT2.

I know the day iRacing gives me a nice GT2 type class, or even SCCA T1, I’d probably be on that in a heartbeat. There’s nothing like being on track trying to deal with different, but similar types of cars figuring out how to get by in that *one* section you’re car works better – how to hold on down the straight where the other car is faster, but can’t brake as late….anyone who saw the GT2 race with the C6.R vs the RISI Ferrari at Mosport this year knows how brilliant multi chassis racing can be at it’s best.

fpol: It’s more than mixed ‘class”, it’s mixed chassis within a class that iRacing is missing (and for mixed classes, figuring out how to do it without someone having to buy every car..which they said they’re working on).Even a Mixed class race with 3 different ’spec’ classes is really just more cars on track…but you’re really only racing the exact same car in your class with more lapped/lapping traffic thrown in.Look at the new cars: The new Aussie V8s iRAcing is getting only has *one* of the makes, so it will be a spec series. Indy lights has only one chasis so is spec. The Ford GT is an ALMS GT2 car…the current C6.R is a GT1 car…no mixed chasis racing there.Even the Ford Mustang is a Grand Am GT spec car, not even close to ALMS GT2.I know the day iRacing gives me a nice GT2 type class, or even SCCA T1, I’d probably be on that in a heartbeat.There’s nothing like being on track trying to deal with different, but similar types of cars figuring out how to get by in that *one* section you’re car works better – how to hold on down the straight where the other car is faster, but can’t brake as late….anyone who saw the GT2 race with the C6.R vs the RISI Ferrari at Mosport this year knows how brilliant multi chassis racing can be at it’s best.

+1,000

I just can’t wait to compare the good old SimBin version to this one!

I think the indy config will be the most fun!

felipe:
what kind of present you pay to rent? Wanna drive at Brands Hatch sure… buy the track and then pay to use it every month if you stop paying you won’t be able to use it!I guess you work in one of those bailed out banks!

Why do those who don’t subscribe to iRacing feel so threatened by the game? You don’t see iRacers cluttering posts about rFactor or RACE with such drivel.

Go away. Seriously. We understand your inane rants about iRacing. We don’t need to read them in every iRacing thread. You’re making yourself look like a bigger jackass with every post.

You’re entitled to free speech at VirtualR. But I don’t think you’re entitled to be a doll orchestrated by a drunk ventriloquist repeating the same line over and over again. Your parrot-like bleating is getting as old as grandpa’s buckskin rubber.

F1Racer: Is it the trend now that in every iRacing thread there is at least one person whining on about iRacing’s pricing structure ?

depends on how you understand the word “whining”! Did you read I saying “this is expensive” “OMG look at the price!” or anything like that? Why if someone doesn’t say “hey I love it and I got it!” he is “whining”?

I was just impressed on how someone can call that a “present” it’s like someone coming to me and saying
“ok felipe here’s an international cell phone subscription and here’s the cell phone you pay for both mind you the monthly bill you will have to pay too it’s my Xmas present to you” and I say back “OMG thank you so much!”

Paul Kelly:
Why do those who don’t subscribe to iRacing feel so threatened by the game? You don’t see iRacers cluttering posts about rFactor or RACE with such drivel.Go away. Seriously. We understand your inane rants about iRacing. We don’t need to read them in every iRacing thread. You’re making yourself look like a bigger jackass with every post.You’re entitled to free speech at VirtualR. But I don’t think you’re entitled to be a doll orchestrated by a drunk ventriloquist repeating the same line over and over again. Your parrot-like bleating is getting as old as grandpa’s buckskin rubber.

I guess you Mr. Paul Kelly need to learn the meaning of the word “respect” which your language borrowed from Latin I could use with you the same kind of vocabulary you used or even much more aggressive words but there’s already so much hate in the world towards your country I decided not to do that
Kindly just read my upper post and we are all done! BTW I don’t think iRacing is expensive or a bad service at all. People like you have potential to give iRacing a bad reputation you know

I wouldn’t bother felipe, it was funny to see the iRacing brigade turn up in every single news item but their straightlaced replies have gotten rather boring, that is if your purpose was to cause a stir. However if you want to use your free time to add more negative comments about the pay-to-rent scheme then don’t let anybody stop you, the iRacing brigade will always be here to waste their time defending iRacing anyway being a minority passionate group of people who spend that kind of money on their hobby.
But you never know, maybe the message will finally get through one day to somebody who does count.

This looks absolutely amazing. I may have to renew my iRacing subscription while I wait for GT5 and rFactor2 to release.

Only complaint I have is that drab dreariness that every iRacing track has. In
real life brands hatch as a venue is a vivid palette: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/charliemoseley/brandsHatch9.jpg

carbonfibre: I wouldn’t bother felipe, it was funny to see the iRacing brigade turn up in every single news item but their straightlaced replies have gotten rather boring, that is if your purpose was to cause a stir.

You have mistakenly assumed that everyone who is tired of listening to people complain about iRacing’s pricing is a subscriber of iRacing.
I don’t subscribe, for instance. I’ve never even tried iRacing yet so I’m not pro-iRacing. But I like to read the threads and it seems each one is tainted with someone droning on about prices.
I suggest if the replies of people who are defending iRacing are boring then maybe they can be stopped by people not moaning in the first place. Have your say by all means but on a track comparison thread ? Do it in a pricing thread and get it off your chest there or email iRacing direct.

People here know that there are some that are displeased with it but who’s interested in each individuals personal story ?
Some like it, some don’t. We all know now, so end of story, surely.

felipe:
what kind of present you pay to rent? Wanna drive at Brands Hatch sure… buy the track and then pay to use it every month if you stop paying you won’t be able to use it!I guess you work in one of those bailed out banks!

http://koltchak91120.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/double-facepalm.jpg

Lets forget pricing and talk about the track :)

Am I the only one who thinks iRacing are too consistent in their use of grass textures? All the tracks look the same – pale and washed out. I did wonder from previous US tracks if US grass was different to UK grass, but no, the same pale green grass is used on this UK track, and I know British grass isn’t this colour.

Maybe they can get some scanner to log rgb values along with the terrain surface?

carbonfibre: I wouldn’t bother felipe, it was funny to see the iRacing brigade turn up in every single news item but their straightlaced replies have gotten rather boring, that is if your purpose was to cause a stir. However if you want to use your free time to add more negative comments about the pay-to-rent scheme then don’t let anybody stop you, the iRacing brigade will always be here to waste their time defending iRacing anyway being a minority passionate group of people who spend that kind of money on their hobby.
But you never know, maybe the message will finally get through one day to somebody who does count.

So what did you like New Brands Hatch Previews?

carbonfibre: I wouldn’t bother felipe, it was funny to see the iRacing brigade turn up in every single news item but their straightlaced replies have gotten rather boring, that is if your purpose was to cause a stir. However if you want to use your free time to add more negative comments about the pay-to-rent scheme then don’t let anybody stop you, the iRacing brigade will always be here to waste their time defending iRacing anyway being a minority passionate group of people who spend that kind of money on their hobby.
But you never know, maybe the message will finally get through one day to somebody who does count.

You’re attitude brings forums in the mire. And places trolls on a pedestal.

I do not believe iRacing fans should go into every rFactor thread and make the same complaints over and over just to get attention.

Believe me I am perfectly capable of cluttering every thread at VirtualR poking holes in every other sim whether it’s on topic or not. The reason I don’t is that is counter productive and what I’d consider trolling.

If you think I couldn’t find fault with every other sim on the market, you’re DEAD wrong. And if you think Fellipe’s broken record complaints about the iRacing business model in a thread about track scans is productive then you are a fan of anarchy, antagonistic posts and trolling.

Tell me your favorite sim and I’ll spend a month posting non stop problems with that sim over and over again. See how everyone likes it in that forum. Then you can come to my defense and say, “Oh, the rFactor brigade…blah, blah, blah”. Or would you come to my defense. I HIGHLY doubt it.

What a load of crap. You and people like you are the problem not just in iRacing threads, in all threads. Trolling is the bane of internet forums. It’s like internet forum terrorism. Just show up and throw a hand gernade into the village and then complain when people respond.

Say something constructive and/or contribute to a discussion about the topic or don’t post.

The discussion about the grass color and HDR is at least on topic.

@ Lincoln Miner, A BIG THANK YOU!!

Paul Kelly: Why do those who don’t subscribe to iRacing feel so threatened by the game? You don’t see iRacers cluttering posts about rFactor or RACE with such drivel.
Go away. Seriously. We understand your inane rants about iRacing. We don’t need to read them in every iRacing thread. You’re making yourself look like a bigger jackass with every post.

A BIG THANK YOU!!
Im really getting SICK that people stilllll bitch about the cost?!

superapex: This looks absolutely amazing. I may have to renew my iRacing subscription while I wait for GT5 and rFactor2 to release.
Only complaint I have is that drab dreariness that every iRacing track has. In
real life brands hatch as a venue is a vivid palette: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/charliemoseley/brandsHatch9.jpg

Yeah, I’d like to see the color palette on the grass be a bit more vibrant, but that’s a very subjective topic.

There are a number of issues to consider.

1 – Monitor calibration – Here is an article on monitor calibration from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_balance

The actual colors that everyone viewing this forum are different depending on your monitor and/or it’s calibration. In desktop publishing for advertising I remember using Pantone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone numbers for all our company logos, becsuse the printers couldn’t easily match colors off computer images for print brochures etc.

2. Lighting conditions at time of photo

Colors look very different in photos depending on the time of day and angle of the sun. I’m a golfer. I often read greans by the dull or shiny grass, which is how to read grain. On one side of the green the grass can be shiny and a different color than the other depending on the type of grass used on the green.

3. Season of the year

Grass looks very different depending on the time of year. It’s often brown in summer and greener in winter in places like Infineon in Northern California. I live near there and remember the forum complaints about the brown grass. Turns out the poster visited Infineon in March when the hills were all green. Locals know it’s brown 6 months out of the year. Many other places it’s the opposite. Brown in winter and green in summer, so a track designer has to decide what time of year he’s creating to color palette to match.

In the end though, I’d agree with you. Wish the colors at Brands were more vibrant.

Here are some examples of real Photos of Brands Hatch at different times of the year and/or with different lighting. All very different.

I prefer the 4th image with it’s vibrant colors like you do, but it’s personal preference. I guess the iRacing designer chose something in the middle.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/JackB99/BrandsHatch3.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/JackB99/BrandsHatch2.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/JackB99/BrandsHatch1.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/JackB99/BrandsHatch4.jpg

Note: To Felipe and Carbonfire, this is what a constructive and informative discussion looks like.

Diswanio:
A BIG THANK YOU!!
Im really getting SICK that people stilllll bitch about the cost?!

Glad to help and I get tired of it too.

I agree with many posters who say iRacing is expensive compared to other sims. I don’t mind them mentioning it at all. It’s when the same exact poster say’s it over and over in threads, that aren’t even related to pricing, that it gets really old. At some point it crosses over from legitimate discussion to trolling.

I would even certainly agree everyone needs to decide for themselves. Often though they say it’s apples to apples with other sims/cars/tracks and iRacing is different. It still may not be worth it, but many don’t realize iRacing offers different things and the tracks/cars are different. Still might not be worth it, but there are differences, that they should be aware of.

As for the iRacing businees model and the Felipe type complaint of “It’s crazy to pay for tracks/cars”, I think many don’t realize it’s not an uncommon business model (ie cell phones, satellite dishes etc) and some education to that point is worthwhile.

Thanks for your support! I just enjoy reasonable discussion in forums and hope we can stay on topic. I think it makes VirtualR a more interesting place to visit if we do. :-)

Lincoln Miner: You’re attitude brings forums in the mire. And places trolls on a pedestal.I do not believe iRacing fans should go into every rFactor thread and make the same complaints over and over just to get attention.Believe me I am perfectly capable of cluttering every thread at VirtualR poking holes in every other sim whether it’s on topic or not. The reason I don’t is that is counter productive and what I’d consider trolling.If you think I couldn’t find fault with every other sim on the market, you’re DEAD wrong. And if you think Fellipe’s broken record complaints about the iRacing business model in a thread about track scans is productive then you are a fan of anarchy, antagonistic posts and trolling.Tell me your favorite sim and I’ll spend a month posting non stop problems with that sim over and over again. See how everyone likes it in that forum. Then you can come to my defense and say, “Oh, the rFactor brigade…blah, blah, blah”. Or would you come to my defense. I HIGHLY doubt it.What a load of crap. You and people like you are the problem not just in iRacing threads, in all threads. Trolling is the bane of internet forums. It’s like internet forum terrorism. Just show up and throw a hand gernade into the village and then complain when people respond. Say something constructive and/or contribute to a discussion about the topic or don’t post.The discussion about the grass color and HDR is at least on topic.

+1.

superapex: This looks absolutely amazing. I may have to renew my iRacing subscription while I wait for GT5 and rFactor2 to release.
Only complaint I have is that drab dreariness that every iRacing track has. In
real life brands hatch as a venue is a vivid palette: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/charliemoseley/brandsHatch9.jpg

Hey mate,

I have done a bit of work (very amateur) with the ISI sims, GTR2 mainly.

What I found when designing grass textures especially is that they look terrible if they are too green or too bright. Perhaps its the checkerboard nature of the texture repetition or the overall low res nature of the textures, but they just look “bad” if they aren’t desaturated. Take a look at the Imola grass texture in GTR2. The grass looks radioactive.

Man, how much graphic detail do you guys want? “consistent with grass detail”…?

That’s only important if screen shots and fancy replays are important -has nothing to do with *driving* and racing. This over emphasis by simmers on how something looks led to some horribly inaccurate tracks (and mods) being praised because they looked good, but drove terribly

The important parts of a track are it’s layout, camber (very, very important) *decent* bump modeling (actually, it doesn’t even *have* to be as accurate as iRacing), getting the difference in asphalt at various tracks (and on the same track many times) correct. Also important is precise placement of roadside items so if you’re used to using a pole as a reference irl -it’s exactly there in the sim, not 10 feet off.

I’m driving GPL a lot now – ancient graphics – and once my lap starts, i barely notice.

I can be *very* critical of iRacing as they (IMHO) haven’t lived up *mechanically* to what I’d expected when joined, but I can find no flaw with their tracks other than not being able to update them to reflect changes in a timely manner(expensive though). That’s not conjecture from just watching races on TV – I’ve driven, and walked at least 5 tracks in iRacing multiple times irl, before and since joining iRacing and am intimately familiar with them.

I really don’t understand the grass thing, it’s the thing at every track. It’s not too bad when you are driving and actually focusing on driving. But if you stop and take a good look at the grass it’s just not the colour of any grass I’ve seen, anywhere.

I can understand why they the colour would be desaturated but it seems like it’s just a completely wrong colour to begin with.

I suppose if this is my only major issue with the graphics in the game it’s doing a pretty good job though. I cannot wait to drive around this Brands Hatch, even if it had grass textures made using Paint.

Lincoln Miner:
I’d like to see mixed class racing too.iRacing has it during their Week 13 and Fun races, but have yet to offer it for official race series.I enjoy ALMS style and mixed classes too.They may offer mixed car/class racing in their next build.It’s been mentioned in interviews that it has a chance for January.They have already licensed the Super V8’s and other cars are coming too.The Ford GT in another.Indy Lights.There are more, but I forget all of them at the moment.I’d like to see more Euro/Intl cars like Ferrari, BMW, Porsche, Audi.They have one VW the Jetta TDI, but we need more.I guess the Lotus would be considered outside North America and the V8’s too.They seem to have a consistent pipeline of new announcements and content, so it will happen.

That’s not even my point, everything is the same exact car. It’s not like you can have GT2 level BMWs running against GT2 level corvettes or something of the like. I want multiple cars of the same class against each other and iracing has none of that.

Crazy Bored: I really don’t understand the grass thing, it’s the thing at every track. It’s not too bad when you are driving and actually focusing on driving. But if you stop and take a good look at the grass it’s just not the colour of any grass I’ve seen, anywhere.I can understand why they the colour would be desaturated but it seems like it’s just a completely wrong colour to begin with.I suppose if this is my only major issue with the graphics in the game it’s doing a pretty good job though. I cannot wait to drive around this Brands Hatch, even if it had grass textures made using Paint.

It seems like everything it optimized for HDR color wise, but there is no HDR to speak of so once they actually get around to adding that the colors should appear more realistic.

free2game365:
It seems like everything it optimized for HDR color wise, but there is no HDR to speak of so once they actually get around to adding that the colors should appear more realistic.

I find it hard to believe that they could add proper HDR.

Wouldn’t that require a major re-write of the graphic renderer?

iracing … money makers .. nothing else … I’ve had a monthly account but never more …

free2game365:
That’s not even my point, everything is the same exact car. It’s not like you can have GT2 level BMWs running against GT2 level corvettes or something of the like. I want multiple cars of the same class against each other and iracing has none of that.

I agree. I want that too.

They have said they will have it. They have multi-class now with Week 13 and Fun races. They have covered so many classes they only have 1 car per class, but soon they’ll overlap and they’ll have multiple car races per class.

It’s coming. Updates every 3 months.

Gulyo: iracing … money makers .. nothing else … I’ve had a monthly account but never more …

You can’t be a money maker until you actually make money.

So far iRacing is in debt, but one day they will be money makers…. Not yet, but one day….. ;-)

I dont care about the cost, i just enjoy it too much!!

Lincoln Miner:
Glad to help and I get tired of it too.I agree with many posters who say iRacing is expensive compared to other sims.I don’t mind them mentioning it at all.It’s when the same exact poster say’s it over and over in threads, that aren’t even related to pricing, that it gets really old.At some point it crosses over from legitimate discussion to trolling.

Exactly. Hence my exasperation with my prior post. Normally I keep my cool regarding the anti-iRacing “pay to rent” bleats, but Felipe’s steady drivel is about as consistent and soothing as a jackhammer chipping concrete next to your ear for about eight straight hours.

The message is fine; the frequency and redundancy is ridiculous.

But I must hand it to Felipe: He intertwined international politics and a dig at the U.S. into a supposedly restrained reply.

I don’t care where anyone is from: I just like to sim race.

fpol: Man, how much graphic detail do you guys want? “consistent with grass detail”…?That’s only important if screen shots and fancy replays are important -has nothing to do with *driving* and racing.This over emphasis by simmers on how something looks led to some horribly inaccurate tracks (and mods) being praised because they looked good, but drove terriblyThe important parts of a track are it’s layout, camber (very, very important) *decent* bump modeling (actually, it doesn’t even *have* to be as accurate as iRacing), getting the difference in asphalt at various tracks (and on the same track many times) correct.Also important is precise placement of roadside items so if you’re used to using a pole as a reference irl -it’s exactly there in the sim, not 10 feet off.I’m driving GPL a lot now – ancient graphics – and once my lap starts, i barely notice.I can be *very* critical of iRacing as they (IMHO) haven’t lived up *mechanically* to what I’d expected when joined, but I can find no flaw with their tracks other than not being able to update them to reflect changes in a timely manner(expensive though).That’s not conjecture from just watching races on TV – I’ve driven, and walked at least 5 tracks in iRacing multiple times irl, before and since joining iRacing and am intimately familiar with them.

Very well said.

And as someone who has a computer that is at the bottom end of iRacing’s minimum requirements, I would much rather see iRacing continue to refine its driving, physics and tire models and offer more excellent Web interface improvements. Those all make the sim much more realistic and enjoyable — and create a much smaller performance hit on older machines — than ensuring the proper strain of bentgrass or zoysia grass is modeled blade by blade at a racetrack.

free2game365: That’s not even my point, everything is the same exact car. It’s not like you can have GT2 level BMWs running against GT2 level corvettes or something of the like. I want multiple cars of the same class against each other and iracing has none of that.

That’s exactly what I want as well!!! I had done quite a bit of work to start up a single class, multi-car MMA league pitting the DP, C6R and Radical against each other, but then iRacing released at the last minute that they couldn’t do multiple chassis (i was bummed!). Those cars would be very competitive against each other, especially on the non-HP tracks. Most people actually predicted the Radical to win a race. That to me would be a wonderful twist rather than everybody just driving the same spec car all the time.

Anyway, this track looks wonderful. Speed TV showed a BTCC race from there a week or two ago and the racing is just fantastic. Paddock bend is just awesome. I saw a British Superbike race there one time. Fantastic!!!

marc1111:
That’s exactly what I want as well!!!I had done quite a bit of work to start up a single class, multi-car MMA league pitting the DP, C6R and Radical against each other, but then iRacing released at the last minute that they couldn’t do multiple chassis (i was bummed!).Those cars would be very competitive against each other, especially on the non-HP tracks.Most people actually predicted the Radical to win a race.That to me would be a wonderful twist rather than everybody just driving the same spec car all the time.Anyway, this track looks wonderful.Speed TV showed a BTCC race from there a week or two ago and the racing is just fantastic.Paddock bend is just awesome.I saw a British Superbike race there one time.Fantastic!!!

Marc, yeah too bad we didn’t get multi-claas, multi-car in the last build. I’m really looking forward to it.

Although, we start week 7 today, so we should have multi-car, multi-class in 5-6 weeks with the next build. Time flies! Usually around mid-season they give some teasers as to what will be in the next build. My guess is we’ll have it in both Hosted and Arrive and Drive.

On the topic of the iracing grass textures, it would be nice if there were seasons texture packs in iracing like there are for FSX or multiple seasons in some of the rFactor Nordschleife track packs, but I think at this point that’s a luxury wishlist item way down on my list of nice to have items (below better transmission/driveline modeling and multiclass racing), but overall I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the textures in iracing, they are top quality and no surprise since I seem to remember that the rFactor texture wiz Hudson Kerr quit his rFactor texture work and joined iracing sometime back…

On a similar topic I wonder if most people’s opinion on the drab iracing colors are mainly a color palette choice or shading characteristic as opposed to a limit of the graphics engine? I noticed that there’s a huge differences in color palletes between rfactor, GTR2 and GTREvo which are all based on a similar gMotor engine under the hood, but with different color palette choices by each dev team.

Anyhow to me iRacing looks great and at this point I don’t mind if they improve the gfx at some point but I think improving the car physics and modeling (driveline/transmission/brakes/tires) is much more important to me…

If the people who constantly feel the need to contribute their thoughts on iRacing’s pricing plan for every single iRacing article published on VirtualR put the same ammount of effort into meeting new friends and losing their virginity then the world would at least be without one less stupid argument.
At the end of the day, some things are worth paying for, for some people. If you can’t accept that, why not grow a pair and swallow your pride by keeping your pathetic squabbles to yourself – leave the rest of us to enjoy the things we want and have.

Moving on. The new screenshots are great and i’m looking forward to being able to drive around a track that hasn’t once been justified in any sim-replica we’ve seen. I hope they add this to the Skippy season, it’d be a great car to drive around a track like this.. paddock looks as it should – scary!

This track looks amazing!
Just look at the level of detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg1QNwPXmXU

IRacing is cheap, if you compare the quality of the service to the competitors and their prices.