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iRacing.com – Lotus 49 Previews & Development Blog

iRacing’s Dave Kaemmer has shared some new previews of the Lotus 49 Formula One car that is soon coming to iRacing.

iRacing’s Dave Kaemmer has shared some new previews of the Lotus 49 Formula One car that is soon coming to iRacing.

Alongside the previews showing the car in some custom liveries, Kaemmer also shared a very detailed development blog that you can check out here.

Designed around the Cosworth DFV V8 engine that became the de-facto standard in Formula One through the 1970s, the Lotus 49 became one of the company’s most successful Formula One cars.

The car won its debut race at Zandvoort in the hands of Jim Clark, the Scotsman, Graham Hill & Jochen Rindt went on to score 12 Grand Prix wins and no less than two driver & constructors’ world championships in the 49.

Back in November 2012, iRacing decided to delay the release of the Lotus 49 in order to allow more development time to put into the car.

  • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

    It’ll only cost $300 to meet the demand for the car. $100 every time you crash it, and $30 every time you mention “Lotus”, “4” or “9” in any forum post.

    Then $200 when they make the physics slightly less awful.

    • Anonymous

      I find it insane that people bash the physics as aside from netkar pro and LFS its the best we got… lets face it the rfactor is way more fudged and has no feel what so ever… RF2 is promising but needs more grip the feel is good… the current build is very good, the HPD is insanely nice to drive now and very realistic…

      • Anonymous

        People will bash iR physics for ever, no matter how much the staff improve it, it will be always wrong.

        The problem is iR itself, it costs a lot of money, and people prefer bash it instead understand how much good it is.

        Do you know the story of the fox and the grapes right?

      • myvracelog

        also the staff opens itself to alot of complaining because they lack people skills.

      • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

        Except it’s not good. Speaking as someone who has spent a decent amount of money on iRacing, I can confidently say that the physics just aren’t that good, especially for a piece of software that claims to be the pinnacle, and has the gall to charge an extortionate amount of money for both content and access.

        For the money they wish to charge, it should be significantly better. And it’s not.

      • Gerben Bervoets

        i played sim-games for 20 years or more….
        GP 1-4, netkar namie, GTR,1 & 2, GT-legends , tried rfactor, netkar namie, netkar pro etc….

        i can 100% say that i had the exiting sim-racing experience in iRacing, yes it’s more expensive but the online competition and racing especially on the higher licenses are top notch….

        But you will have to put some effort in… so it’s not for everybody…. but if you do then it pays off big time.

        Yes iRacing is lacking in some area’s but is n° 1 in others… at the end it comes down to preference but if you are serious about sim-racing you have to give this sim/game a serious try…

        At the moment it is the best thing out there for me….

        Problem is that many people don’t like the pricing and start bashing products… i wonder what the opinions would be if iRacing sold for 50 $ and i bet they would be more positive.

      • Hugo Stiglitz

        Exactly.

        I’m very aware that iracing isn’t nearly up to par with netkar, AC, or LFS but it’s still the best besides those and it has without a doubt the best community.

        The only real issues I have with it is the fact you can’t race offline, the price, the lack of participation in the road series, and the ridiculous delay of the 49. Other than that it’s the best PC sim in my opinion

        The physics aren’t ideal but they’re better than nearly all other sims

      • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

        So.. what you’re saying is “iRacing has shitty physics, costs a bunch of money for no offline driving, nobody driving road courses and the fact they can’t release a single car for 3 years”.

        Sounds like great value. I can see why everyone drives it.

    • myvracelog

      ”It’ll only cost $300 to meet the demand for the car.”

      the average meat brain will not understand what you meant by that.

  • Austin Ogonoski

    The Lotus 49 is going to be a complete flop.

    Drivers in the 60’s didn’t die because the cars were impossible to control,
    drivers in the 60’s died because the idea of “safety” in auto racing was
    about 15 years away.

    And I have a hard time believing ANY CAR is that hard to control at speed.
    Alex Rossi’s laps at Texas made the car seem pretty alright as long as
    you hit your marks.

    • Realkman666

      Did you just discover iRacing?

      • Matt Orr

        Just ignore Austin, he’s always on an iRacing tirade.

      • Austin Ogonoski

        >he called out iRacing with legitimate complaints?
        >I’ll just insult him and say “oh, he always hates on iRacing”

        iRacing fanboy logic 2.0

      • Matt Orr

        No, you proved that when you whined about a guy uploading a iRacing video.

    • Anonymous

      alex looks like he is struggling quite a lot there…snap oversteer on entry and mega understeer through the longer corners

  • GamerMuscle

    To be honest If i racing want to stay relevant and expand there user base then they will need to significantly reduce pricing and change there sales structure.

    I can see why they are reluctant to change things as they have a core user base that will buy each new car and track that comes out.

    However when Ac comes out I see little reason for people to keep using i racing on the road side. It will be very hard for a consumer to justify the cost when AC also contains laser scanned tracks , has more desirable cars and quite possibly have better physics.

    Oval on the other-hand is a different story i don’t think there will ever be much competition for that and the i racing structure and physics are far more suited to oval racing.

    • Anonymous

      I’d disagree there’s no reason. We will see just how many people are iRacing for the laser scanned tracks (and, by extension, EU vs US content focus), and how many are there for iRating, SR, official series, stat tracking, etc.

      I have no idea what the breakdown between those two are, but I am definitely hoping for an imminent breakthrough with the tires in enough time to narrow that gap. Strong competition is good whichever you prefer.

      • GamerMuscle

        Yah I think allot of people do it for the stat tracking as well , but if you spend any amount of time on it it doesn’t take long to realise that’s fairly redundant unless your in the top 30 in the world.

      • Anonymous

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the primary audience of iRacing on the road side becomes family men for whom predictable scheduling is the only way to get in a race, and those aiming for DWC. Assuming AC captures as much of the multi player market as it can.

      • GamerMuscle

        Yah I think that’s probably right , it seems that most simracers are also 30+ if you look at the stats on you-tube for simracing video its all 30+ age range.

      • Anonymous

        And, for them, price is less of an object than for the teenager who has to scrape cash together to get $60 in the first place.

        But enough speculation, I’m looking forward to AC’s release and seeing what happens!

    • Anonymous

      Well I don’t think they are doing as well as they would like to be and thus made an effort to get Steam Greenlit. Which the 2 are like oil and water in a sense. As for me the only reason the pricing bothers me is because of the amount of dedication that is required to be a serious iRacer to make the prices justifyable just don’t work for someone that wants to spread their time across the use of many titles.

      • GamerMuscle

        Evan if you dedicate yourself to i racing to try and get value from it you still have the problem on the road side of it being mostly dead. unless you like to race skippy at peek times.

        or just want to do the occasional long race at weekends, but in that scenario you might as well just join a league.

      • Menco

        Hardly dead, some of the more difficult cars are but very good community behind GT, star mazda and v8 supercar

      • Rob Gray

        I agree. I now race the GT Challenge series (soon to be only Grand Am) with the Mclaren MP4/12C and it’s hard to find an official race during the week after 4pm in Australia. I have to either rave in the morning (6am) before work or wait until the weekend.

        The Skippy and Star Mazda were fine though. Nearly always got an official race whenever I wanted in the SM series. B or A class series going official? Forget it.

      • Hugo Stiglitz

        I’ve been having the same issues because I typically race late. I’m in America too.

        The radical series is pretty much dead. Really sucks because that car’s brilliant but typical of people on iracing, everyone wants instant gratification and is afraid to try something new/challenging.

      • GamerMuscle

        Skip is the last car before its dead , annything else andyour tpyicaly looking at 4-8 car grid max.

        the problem with 8 cars is that if you are doing a 25+ min race that’s just not enough people to have a “real” race with.

        Baring in mind 2-3 people will crash or lose it at some point 1-2 people will be super noobs and 1-2 people will be i racing die hards with rediculouse set up.

      • http://www.bsimracing.com/ Wim

        weird.. i have been doing races with +-60 entries all week. I must be using a different iRacing. 🙂

      • Anonymous

        i did a race just yesterday in the hpd with over 20 cars on the grid… there was a similar size grid on tuesday…

      • Anonymous

        Had another full rac3 in the hpd today and had a blast!

      • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

        Nevermind that their extortion.. I mean “business”.. model doesn’t really mesh with Steam whatsoever. They’re pretty desperate to be chasing that tree.

    • Ricoo

      I think, they should keep the subscription and offer all content free, otherwise it will ultimately fail.

      And they should get rid of iRating that can annoy most casual racers.

      • Anonymous

        they won’t do that because selling tracks and cars is what pay the licenses. their profit comes from subscription.

      • Anonymous

        $5 extra for every member every month for access to all content (but keep the ratings) would be much nicer than it is now. I don’t know if this would compensate for the money they currently make from end users, but it does possibly mean more people will buy the service. who can say, just a guess.

      • Rob Gray

        You can ignore iRating, but it is necessary to ensure competitive races. It also keeps the noobs out of the rest. Generally those with low iRating crash and are “bad” drivers. Splitting on iRating helps keep the racing clean.

      • Marklar

        Agree with you but would remove off-track penalties. It is so annoying when you get punished for it. You risk a black flag and have to slow down when cut a corner. This should be enough to punish unfair driver.

      • Anonymous

        Actually, I wish the slow down was reduced and they kept the off track incidents. Usually cutting an apex in racing just requires the driver not to have gained an advantage, whereas iRacing will require you to hand over several seconds on top of that. I feel like that actually makes things more dangerous, because people try that much harder to make a chicane after they’ve locked up, instead of taking the safety runoff that was designed to keep the race safe.

      • Ricoo

        They could keep iRating behind closed doors for matchmaking/splits, but not showing many players how bad they are. That’s not incentive to race.

    • Anonymous

      very well put mr. no name that goes by gamermuscle!

    • Menco

      AC will probably pick up more users due to better pricing but you well never have the well organised service that iRacing offer for a relatively clean race with everyone around the world. AC will be more for league racing

      • GamerMuscle

        Well organised in that most the time there is no race to join unless its a slow car or oval racing ?

        Loads of leagues of varying skill level will exist for AC as they do for GSC ,GTRe, RF and with them you can know a time when you will have a decent race and also race with friends and people you can get to know.

      • Menco

        Yeah all well and good till you have incidents with people that run the league and then the arguments kick off

      • GamerMuscle

        why would you have an incident with them ?
        generally people running leagues are friendly because they are putting there own time into it and they just want people to have fun because they are having fun.

      • Slaven Ćorluka

        I don’t have time for leagues and organized racing. I work 2 jobs and there is only few hours in a week I can dedicate to sim racing. This is why iracing is so much better online. I can just sit join a practice, quali and then race and be done with it.

      • myvracelog

        this is laughable.

      • Menco

        Good luck picking up a race online at any time of the day in AC without being wrecked at the first corner and with more than 25% of the field staying till the finish.

      • myvracelog

        You are barking up the wrong tree mister.

        I guarantee you can start turning laps at iracing now until Christmas and not turn as many laps as i have.

        Ive been there since beta and I raced papy games for many years prior to that.

        Acting like there superior racers at IR just because it is a glorified league does not make the racing better or cleaner. It is filled with morons to the brim just like any other game.

        ***********Although I really think the new generation of racer is just a video gamer in disguise and not a serious sim racer. I can’t even to begin to explain, one example is NO LEGITIMATE SIM RACER WOULD GO INTO A RACE AND ASK— HOW MUCH FUEL DO I NEED TO FINISH THIS RACE?
        This is a question i see asked 1000’s of times by idiots in iracing, why because there gamers and not sim racers, no sim serious sim racer would ask such a noob question they would be embarrassed to ask something that showed how unprepared and total lack of respect for a race online.

      • Menco

        You know what the definition of a game and sim are right? And you do realise that racing sims are also games the minute you start to compete? Unless you are using it as a tool to primarily simulate driving a racing car at a particular circuit and in no way competing, you are also a gamer.

        Ps. I could care less how many laps you have turned on iRacing, it doesn’t automatically make your opinion any more credible than mine nor does it make make your opinion a fact.

      • myvracelog

        I’ve already forgotten more then you will ever know about IR.

      • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

        Well you’d have to be going senile to think iRacing was any good.. so maybe it makes a lot of sense that you’re forgetting a whole heck of a lot.

      • myvracelog

        LOL excellent. 🙂

        you may be right. Funny thing is guy over on this thread calling me a IR hater while on this thread I was posting it’s qualities.

        F1Racer posted about winning a argument somewhere. There is no winning when come to opinions.

        Can’t win anyway. One guy says black another say its white. What is really interesting is I post my opinions as in my opinion, I don’t sit and bash people for there opinions.

        My opinion is just that my opinion. People can take it or leave it. 🙂
        Either way the topic is a fun one.

        I enjoy your conversation Dustin 🙂

      • Hugo Stiglitz

        Are you kidding me? So asking for how much fuel to use means you’re an idiot and not a sim racer?

        You sound like an elitist poopsocker

        A lot of people ask just to double check their math. That doesn’t make them an idiot.

      • myvracelog

        double checking there math… lol.
        I can see it now,
        Senna says …. hey Nigel? how much gas do I need to finish this race? O YA that’s realistic and sim like.
        What self respecting sim racer paying hundred of dollars to race a sim, the claim to be the be all end all of sim race games can’t figure out there fuel load?
        Pathetic. If I had a dollar for all the people I heard say this in IR I could go buy myself a nice base model v6 mustang.
        Really? Should be ashamed of calling yourself a ”Sim racer” if that is the case. Just pack up your wheels and take them to goodwill.

      • Anonymous

        what nonsense.
        this happens in iRacing all the time. Its almost a guarantee that you can expect a wreck in iRacing in the first corner, the entire field gets spread out, most of them have to pit for repair, a lot of people quit as well because of accidents and damaged cars.

      • Slaven Ćorluka

        well said. I don’t care how much AC physics will be better, the fact is I will end up joining a server with bunch of idiots who can’t make it through first corner without wrecking (ala rf2) Also I don’t care about career mode as well. Nothing will ever come close to iracing online play and that is the fact and why thousands still play online at any given time.

      • Anonymous

        “the fact is I will end up joining a server with bunch of idiots who can’t make it through first corner without wrecking (ala rf2)”

        except that is part of the iracing experience. That’ll be myth 5 then.

        90% of the races ive been in in the class B cars there has been incidents in the 1st corner.

      • Slaven Ćorluka

        it is part of it but not nearly as bad as rf or any other server you join in the older sims. Don’t get me even started on how aggressive people are when it comes to overtaking. First time I tried rf2 when it came out I was blown away by how much better physics and FFB are compare to iracing. Then I joined a server that had decent grid of 20+ cars and out of 5 race starts 3 had to be restarted and I only managed to finish one, just. I know iracing is not the strongest in physics and there are still idiots out there online but its not nearly as bad as regular servers on other sims.

      • Matt Orr

        This season I got into my first T1 actual accident in 2 years. It was in a class D series.

        Maybe you need to re-evaluate things. AKA, maybe you are the problem.

      • Anonymous

        who said i was involved in the incidents?
        your first T1 accident in 2 years? yup, and iracing is good value for money too!

        if you dont think that it happens youre on another planet.

      • myvracelog

        it amazes me how clueless some of the comments made on here. It is almost like a a blind guy walking through a car lot then later someone say wow those cars were nice and blind guy says.. what cars?
        I used to race about 10 – 20 races a week and I would say out of those races 85% of the drivers would actually finish the races. Everyone thinks they can win on the 1st lap then take 3 or 4 guys with them.
        After awhile clean races quit, and your left with people that just wanna play a game yet never take it serious.

      • Anonymous

        Well, yeah, what percentage of drivers finish real world professional races? Somewhere around 85%, maybe?

        Crashes happen, iRacing never promised to eliminate them completely.

      • myvracelog

        i meant to say 85% would not finish the races/ i wrote it backwards.. I would love to see a IR stat on that.

      • Anonymous

        i just recorded this today. 1st race of the day. This is a class B car, and probably one of the easiest cars in the game to drive. and people can’t even make the 1st turn, let alone drive the 1st lap.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4k-6ofltU&feature=youtu.be

      • Guest

        Typical? Then why in nearly 4 years have I never seen a pile up like that outside week 13?

      • myvracelog

        very much typical.

    • Anonymous

      As there are only one set of physics in real life, the fact that iR physics are better suited for oval makes me think that they are just plain wrong. Looks absolutely gorgeous though.

      • Anonymous

        “All models are wrong, but some are useful”

        -George E. P. Box

      • GamerMuscle

        I think they work better in oval because slides in oval tend not to be from side to side and in oval racing you are never braking the car hard whilst turning or accelerating out of corners on the limit.

      • Anonymous

        That’s probably a good way to put it, that the slides don’t tend to swap directions. There’s wording in the release notes about a fix for all cars relating to the carcass of the tires when changing directions, so hopefully that produces an improvement in this instance.

    • myvracelog

      well said.

  • Markus Ott

    Well…

    iRacing got its nickname iceRacing with good reason, so how does a Lotus 49 drive in a game where even modern cars are like a surprise bag?

    • Realkman666

      It’s still like a rink, but you have to use the clutch.

      • Anonymous

        lets face it RF2 is far more slippery than iracing…

      • Realkman666

        The green track is overdone, but once rubbered in, it feels right.

      • Anonymous

        Well is that why the marussia is still around 10 seconds off real world pace?

      • Realkman666

        Barely tried it. I don’t know.

      • Anonymous

        give it a go! its good fun tooi 🙂 but you will definately notice the lack of grip compared to real life..I know a driver who just did young drivers test with caterham yesterday i’ll see if he has access to rf2 to get some feedback

    • Hugo Stiglitz

      Why do people say that? I’m usually very keen to feel oddities in a sim, but I’ve never felt anything that reminded me of ice in iracing.

      The only real issue I see is a lack of tire feel, and the strange way cars will randomly snap out of control if pushed to far. Plus the progression from having grip to spinning out is a bit too steep, but still not nearly bad as some other sims.

      Those are issues but they don’t remind me of ice by any means.

  • Matt Orr

    I’m not interested in this car, but I’m interested to see how it drives. Their last car (Ford GT, it was rebuilt entirely) still is the best GT car I’ve driven and they’ve taken steps. If what the blog says is true, this should not be a 4 wheel super drift fest like this type of car in rF2 or an on rails affair like the pCars version. Will be interesting.

  • Anonymous

    wasn’t this car release almost a full year ago? and still problem of having cold tires for the first 100 laps?! lol

  • Hugo Stiglitz

    Unbelieveable that they think this will calm the community down. It’s going to be over a year since they took pre-orders on this thing by the time it’s out. One friggin car and they delay it by a year. Pathetic

    • http://www.bsimracing.com/ Wim

      If you feel that they are what you call” dick…” and you feel you pay to much, and you are convinced it is a staged delay, i honestly don’t understand why you have an account, and what you are doing in this thread. Its getting worse and worse as far as pointless comments are concerned. If you don’t like sandwiches, why would one keep eating them, is beyond me.

      • myvracelog

        some got into the fanboy fervor and paid literally years ahead.

      • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

        Those are the only ones that have >3 month subscriptions.. they were like “OMG THIS IS SO AWESOME”.. 3 weeks later, they’re now stuck in a 2 year sub.. for a garbage sim.

      • Mrslfrsl

        By a sandwich for 100 bucks and it’s good value for the money because you aren’t hungry anymore? And it wasn’t even the best sandwich you can get.
        It’s not about if you can afford it, it’s just to expensive. As long as people like you cry out loud it’s ok, it will stay that way.
        There are way better sandwiches out there with a reasonable price.
        Even if it would be the best sandwich it’s still waaaaaaay to expensive.

  • yorch sinclair

    Looks beautifull

  • Henk Ensing

    Had a blast in iRacing going through the ranks. Was really anticipating the Lotus 49 as I personally don’t have a particular interest in Oval Racing. Due to personal stuff I haven’t been able to justify my subscription financially, so didn’t renew.

    As soon as the ’49 get’s released I’ll reactivate for a month. If it’s a hit chances are I will stay on iRacing. If not, it will be deleted from my harddrive and will probably install AC.

    iRacing – I never minded the pricing structure (it is what it is). The only thing that annoyes me big time is the fact that you can’t use the software (for which a handsome sum was paid) offline, without a subscription.

    As an afterthought… Granted, interesting piece by Kaemmer – but honestly, all I’d like to know is when the ’49 gets released…

    • Realkman666

      It did feel like an expensive rental now that I think about it.

    • Hugo Stiglitz

      I agree. It’s ridiculous that we can’t play offline. It’s another reason why I really want to leave iracing but I have to wait for AC

      • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

        Hey, because it’s such an old build.. it’ll actually have alright physics. It’s the newer versions that have absolutely garbage physics!

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, real cars should instantly spin a dozen times as soon as you touch a curb, stupid NTM doesn’t do that like the good version.

      • Matt Orr

        Trudat!

      • Anonymous

        You nailed it, people are so desperate for falloff they forget everything else about the tires. Not that I blame them.

  • http://derekspearedesigns.com/ Derek Speare

    Here’s a promo code for a free three month subscription:

    PRU2ETDNZNDN9ALDJG46QUYD586

    iracing.com/membership – new memberships only.

    • Henk Ensing

      Thx – but I’m not a new member 😉

    • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

      Where’s the promo code that makes iRacing what it’s worth. AKA, it pays me for playing it.

  • Christopher Trees

    I always find it funny when I come to this site and see an iracing thread there are so many people bashing either it’s pricing structure, irating system, physics etc.

    I am left dumbfounded at the vast majority of these comments, yeah none of the above are perfect and they will never be, that’s because we live in a world wich is not perfect.
    1. For the pricing it comes down to personal preference, I purchased all content and was completely fine with it and spent many hours in all the cars, enjoyed every moment too and had fantastic races. So to me that made it great value. Admittedly I let my subscription lapse but that was down to my pc and wheel kicking the bucket at the same time. But I do plan to be back on as soon as both are replaced. That being said I will enjoy AC, LFS, GTR, GTL and all the other fun sims… Screw pCars though.
    2. Why complain and complain about the irating from all my experience it was never a bad system, not perfect but weeded out most of the idiot who couldn’t control a car and beyond that accidents happen in racing, most forms of racing do pass an event without a crash or two so if your always having accidents maybe its not the other people who are to blame.
    3. The physics complaint is what baffles me the most, yeah it’s not perfect, but then again, ask yourself the question could you do better?… NO! At least they are always trying to improve, hell they even get many real drivers to give feedback… You know people who are payed to race these cars for a living. People who actually know how they handle… But ultimately in the end, none of us have a freaking supercomputer so there is no way in hell we could even get close to 99%realism. Hell even ferrari and mclaren have had their fair share of simulation correlation troubles… And these guys spend millions on their simulators… So give the iRacing guys a break, at least they are always trying to improve.. If not then P##off and go play what ever sim it is you prefer… Don’t go slagging on the one you don’t.

    • GamerMuscle

      “ask yourself the question could you do better?… NO!”

      So because you cannot do something or do it better that means you cannot be critical about it or make valid points ? obviously not , also just because people are critical of something or might not like it themselves doesn’t mean they don’t recognise the hard work or skill involved in making something.

      ” hell they even get many real drivers to give feedback”

      So do most simulators its not a metric for how good the software is and for the most part its simply a marketing tool , that’s not to say there is not utility in having real drivers test the software Just its not a valid argument to say X software is better than Y.

      “ut ultimately in the end, none of us have a freaking supercomputer so there is no way in hell we could even get close to 99%realism”

      No but you can clearly say which aspects of X software are better or worse than Y software.

      “So give the iRacing guys a break, at least they are always trying to improve.”

      When you pay money to other people or a company you are fully within your right to say what you like or dislike about X product.

      “So give the iRacing guys a break, at least they are always trying to improve”

      So are all the simulators that’s not an argument for or against anything.

      “If not then P##off and go play what ever sim it is you prefer…”

      This is a comment section of a website where people write comments about what they think of X , Y , Z some will be right some wrong , some people support what they say with evidence or make more logical pionts others not.

      It looks like you are just offended when someone dare say something negative about a product you like.

    • Anonymous

      If people from iRacing stopped bashing everything which isn’t iRacing, it might stop.

  • Cuges77

    Why are people bashing iRacing. There are pros and cons to all the sims on the market. I race on iRacing for a reason-Online competition

    No other sim has a structure that allows me to race and practice all day. I don’t have time for League racing (school Year 12)

    I will be the first to admit that the physics don’t match up to others (AC,NetcarPro,LFS) but they don’t have the online experience that iRacing has to offer. iRacing physics are getting better although we will find out when the NTMv5 is out

    • Realkman666

      I think that many people consider that for the price, iRacing should be a lot better than what it is, especially on the track.

      • http://www.bsimracing.com/ Wim

        So is a Porsche , Ferrari, Lambo, … yet , lots of us would purchase one when able. If i look at the titles i purchased for +- 60 to 70 euros, and only fired up once, then my iRacing licence is still darn good value for the money. Apart from that, people better get used to subscription based gaming, because whether we like it or not, that’s where we are going. Cloud gaming, Stream gaming give it a name… The pay once game is end of life.

      • Realkman666

        Then I’ll read more books.

      • Timpie

        You don’t play much games do you? Literally 99% of every subscription based game has gone free2play or simply to a 1time purchase model, there’s a couple left like WoW and as far as I can tell, the only reason they’re still up is Stockholm syndrome (and this is coming from the players themselve who still “play” it, simply because theyve been playing it for 10years.).

        And people have to stop being negative about their 60-70$ game, I see that excuse every damn time while it’s a garbage argument just to try and prove your point. So you didn’t like the game, unless it’s a COD game (at which point it is your fault for waisting your money) maybe the game just wasnt for u? Is that the games fault, the prices fault? Nope
        Why don’t you look at it the other way around aswell, how many very cheap games have given your 100h of hours of enjoyment? Binding of Isaac is a 4$ game or so and you can literally spend +100hours on it.
        I wouldn’t be suprised if I had stats from how much I played CS1.6 in my youth, or BF2 a bit later, that they would exceed 1000h’s without issue.
        Not even mentioning rFactor1 or LFS 😉

        Not quite sure what the Porsche Ferrari thing was about, if you compare it to their cheap counterparts they are a TON better, more advanced, better equipped, better build, … So they’re worth their money completely.

        iRacing just hopes their fanboys stay in the bubble where they truly believe it’s the top in the business and worth every penny. Everyone not in the bubble and dares to be negative now get’s banned on their forums btw

    • Anonymous

      Because sim racers love to bash everything, that’s why most of the comments on every article are completely unrelated complaints the commenter has probably made a dozen times in a dozen different articles already.

    • Michael Hornbuckle

      After a few years I got tired of hearing how everything would be better with whatever tire model was in the next build or two. Paying 10 times the price of a regular game and having quite possibly the worst physics of any sim out there got old. I’m glad so many are happy and even ecstatic over iracing because they will keep the doors open for me if I ever decide to renew.

    • WaitingForAC

      I disagree, they have gotten worse the past few builds.

      • Anonymous

        please tell us about your real life experience… it has definitely improved no end!

      • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

        It’s gotten better at being less realistic if that’s what you mean.

      • Matt Orr

        Yea, a Star Mazda explodes when it comes across a flat rumble strip in the real world just like it used to. I forgot Nationwide guys were experts at turning right, not actually going around left hand corners.

    • Marco Hooghuis

      Because it should be a lot better considering what they’re asking for it.

  • Anonymous

    “The funny thing is that full games rarely get delayed nearly as long as the lotus 49 did.”

    I’ll dispute that. Two of the primary competitors have been delayed at least that much (admittedly over a longer development period).

    pCARS: March 2013 (p36)
    http://www.wmdportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/WMD_Overview_160212.pdf

    AC: will be released in 2012
    http://www.virtualr.net/asetto-corsa-first-previews

    Delays are common among sim racing developers. Probably because fine tuning can be so unpredictable.

    • http://www.arraystudios.com/ Dustin Dawes

      Sorry, show me in the pCARS document you shared where they stated a release date? Right, they haven’t. You’re just trying to make iRacing seem less awful by delaying a single car for (seemingly) millenia.

      • Anonymous

        I said page 36 in the post you replied to. March 2013 in big letters. What else would a date like that be?