iRacing.com has released a first preview video of Brands Hatch, showing first moving footage of the British track alongside real-racing footage to demonstrate the level of detail of the virtual version.
The real-life footage is provided by British race driver Stuart Moseley, driving a Radical prototype.
The 3,7 kilometer Brands Hatch circuit hosted 12 Formula One Grand Prix and is well known as a touring car venue these days, hosting both the WTCC & DTM as well as the British BTCC. iRacing’s version will be including both the full layout used by series like the WTCC and the shorter Indy layout recently used by the DTM series.
Zenitchik
December 16th, 2009 at 07:14
Can’t wait for this one!
Suarez10
December 16th, 2009 at 09:51
You do not have to, it will be released today…
JocoG
December 16th, 2009 at 11:40
The track is brilliant but the underteer on Radical is ridicoulous.
Zenitchik
December 16th, 2009 at 12:44
Yeah, the site is down for maintanance!
I think the Late model will be the first thing I’ll throw at it
altrezia
December 16th, 2009 at 13:05
Sweet. I can’t wait for the Lotus F1 around Brands Hatch. :D
Gnomie
December 16th, 2009 at 13:25
Looks great! :) It’s an amazing track in real life, and the iRacing re-creation looks to be very detailed (as usual).
If you study the steering inputs they seem to be quite similar for the real car and the sim car
Racing_Slippers
December 16th, 2009 at 13:28
I run soft front anti roll, firm rear, and rear springs a bit higher than the fronts. Copes well enough with the bumps with even shocks front and rear, and you get a car which drives superbly. (check your camber and tyre pressures for a decent heat spread too) Hope that helps a bit mate :] Plenty of help in the iRacing forum too.
Diswanio
December 16th, 2009 at 14:38
don’t think so, it doesnt say RELEASED for purchase
ForzaBarca88
December 16th, 2009 at 15:22
My fav english track, would’ve liked to see the full layout but looks like a top scanning job by iracing as usual.
Diswanio
December 16th, 2009 at 15:31
Its NOT RELEASED 2 DAY, check put the forums!
Howie47
December 16th, 2009 at 15:36
The usual superb track surface recreation. However, when will they do some thing about the cartoonish (atmosphere) the game has? As soon as all rich kids finish paying for all these tracks and the prices come down to planet earth; and there is more choices of cars. I might give it a try.
Suarez10
December 16th, 2009 at 15:44
It WILL BE RELEASED today.
Suarez10
December 16th, 2009 at 15:46
You mean like fictional circus tents, billboards and fairground rides?
Zenitchik
December 16th, 2009 at 15:54
You better start saving some money, because it’s only going to get better and better
http://members.iracing.com/iforum/message.jspa?messageID=831411#831411
hoboracer
December 16th, 2009 at 16:24
I think he means the ‘GPL’ graphics. Good ‘Shift’ burn tho!
Diswanio
December 16th, 2009 at 16:26
ino ino that;
CARS
- C6R – The front fenders should display in the cockpit when the car is damaged.
- Riley DP – fixed a pattern that was displaying incorrectly.
- Star Mazda – The rear wing of the Formula Mazda should show damage properly.
- Impala – Now has a limited pit crew wedge adjustment of +/- 5/8″ from the right rear spring perch offset in your setup.
- Impala – Added the Chevrolet logo’s to patterns that didn’t have them.
- Impala B – Added the Chevrolet logo’s to patterns that didn’t have them.
- Dallara – Logos on the Dallara’s side pods were being scaled incorrectly.
TRACKS
- Mosport – Billboard artwork revisions.
- Lakeland – Fixed pitwall segment that was displaying texture corruption.
- Indianapolis – Rotated and rescaled the speedway water tower so it matches reference.
Diswanio
December 16th, 2009 at 16:29
I sure as hell hope it will, don’t get me wrong!! Ive been waiting my ass off 4 this track! :)
Raikku
December 16th, 2009 at 16:37
Who would be so anal that cares about some frakkin’ missing tents…
hoboracer
December 16th, 2009 at 16:58
You missed the point on that one. Howie said the graphics are cartoony. Suarez tried to counter that by commenting on the extra track side objects that were added to ‘Shift’ which doesn’t really make sense. Just bickering over the graphics.
Zenitchik
December 16th, 2009 at 17:02
You know, some people are very passionate about stuff, they want the best and they want it for free!
MartyParty
December 16th, 2009 at 17:02
Wow, 10 posts BEFORE someone commented on the price being to high. Must be a new record…
Jos
December 16th, 2009 at 17:16
this comparison is kinda poor, the rl overlaps the ir video so you cant see the road.
hoboracer
December 16th, 2009 at 17:55
Actually it was post# 11. Post# 8 has the word ‘purchase’ in it.
jux
December 16th, 2009 at 18:06
Steve Myers just posted that he was mistaken and the track will actually be released on Thursday.
carbonfibre
December 16th, 2009 at 18:27
Cool techno sound effects coming from the engine at the start.
Diswanio
December 16th, 2009 at 20:01
Yup!
FooAtari
December 16th, 2009 at 20:49
Yawn, yawn and yawn again. For christ sakes, give it up. If you don’t want pay about it, thats totally fine. But you don’t have to moan about it all the time. I have no interest in Shift, thats why you very rarely see me making any comments about it or read the news about items about it.
Rich kids? Well if they are all kids their voices sure as hell broke early and they are the most mature kids I have ever come across.
I don’t know if you have ever driven iRacing (I can only assume for your comments that you haven’t) but iRacing has by far and away the most mature community I have ever come across. Sure there is the odd trouble maker as with any community but on the whole people are very friendly and best of all know how to race cleanly.
The colours needs some work in iRacing, but the tracks and detail around the tracks is highly accurate. I’ll take that over more realistic colour but a less authentic track.
Howie47
December 16th, 2009 at 21:13
Did I mention “Shift”. Don’t you morons know the difference between, what I meant as “atmosphere” and track side objects? Clearly seen in the comparison video. Oh well I guess I should know better then to post on a iRacing thread. Where the IQ level plummets to sub 90’s.
At least we have you to carry the burden of paying for development. While the rest of us smarter ones wait and get our cookies playing with Shift, Dirt2, rFactor, Real Time Racing, Net Car Pro. GT5, Forza, etc. etc. Thanks again for your investments.
Yes I tried it. Until they make it more immersive, it gets way to boring. As many many others have attested too.
Lincoln Miner
December 16th, 2009 at 21:22
Morons? The iRacing community is filled with many real world drivers. Very intelligent conversations going on in the forums. Dale Earnhardt Jr has over 500 posts. iRacing also has collected a lot of real world mechanics, drivers, race engineers etc. You can learn as much reading some of the forum threads as you can reading a good book on race engineering. Check out some of the Volker Hackman threads or Michael Riolo etc. Tons of great information.
Now, back to the NFS version of Brands Hatch and all the other embellished versions by many sim/game designers. Hopefully, this post isn’t to moronic for you.
The NFS Brands Hatch is interesting, but the track surface is most important and the specific location of trackside objects used for visual reference. It’s like they create the track surface and then give the designers almost complete freedom to jazz it up.
It’s just artistic embellishment. I’m sure if all it took at the real Brands Hatch to plant a new tree was a key stroke they might do it too, but it’s not real.
I’m not saying it’s wrong, it’s just different.
As for the track surface itself and the track elevation, geometry etc, it won’t be as accurate either.
I’ll run an iRacing track for quite a while before I notice a subtle bump or bit of camber that gives the extra grip needed for the extra mph or 2.
I imagine it’s tough to match real world times for games like NFS if the subtlities of each track surface are inconsistent. It’s one more variable to deal with when trying to figure out why the NFS Radical or other car is faster or slower than the real thing.
Even iRacing’s track surfaces aren’t perfect. We don’t have marbles, variable temperatures or weather or variable grip per section, but at least the camber, bumps, elevation, banking and turn radius are to millimeter accuracy, so that variable is taken out of the equation.
ermax18
December 16th, 2009 at 22:43
I always notice a lack of tents and other temporary objects when looking at iRacing reality checks. One can only assume it is because the objects are just that… temporary. When iRacing comes in to scan a track they can’t do it while the track is in use and I doubt you will find many people camping at the track to watch the crew run around with tripods. But who cares. Your eyes should be looking at the racing line.
Howie47
December 16th, 2009 at 23:03
Just remember, I didn’t bring up “Shift” in this thread. That seems to be some kind of problem, some of you have? Is Shift a threat?
Maybe you should take a look at Brands Hatch on a big race day.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2088/3532352508_eee4168ced.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2298/3532349620_27db1eb38a.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3600/3500617324_38331d181f.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3573/3524030507_b125507373.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2242/3588810275_6eeb8bc128.jpg
Many tracks on race day have so much other stuff going on, like fairs, the race almost seems secondary.
Seems that the real on race day has more going on then just racing. More like “Shift”.
FooAtari
December 16th, 2009 at 23:04
I just used it has an example as there is a lot of posts about on VirtualR just now.
No I don’t know what you are referring to. Instead of insulting people why don’t you explain yourself better?
Yes but I personally think iRacing is better than all those games. Plus as you said your self, iRacing is continually developed, those games are not (not by the developers at least, other than some patches to fix bugs. If you have used iRacing surely understand it’s a service, similar to something like Xbox Live. you are paying for organized races, championships, full and detailed stats etc etc
And of course what you and a few others think equals fact does it? Just as many people attest that it’s great, so whats your point there. I get that you and others don’t like it, thats totally fine, there a lot of things I don’t like. Difference is I don’t bitch and moan about it like a spoiled brat.
FooAtari
December 16th, 2009 at 23:10
Ok, I see where you are coming from now. There are usually at least full grandstands during the races on iRacing, testing sessions have the stands empty as far as I remember, I don’t really notice these things.
As I said before I will take accuracy of the important bit of the track, i.e. the ribbon of tarmac over the less accurate but better looking versions from other games. But thats my personal preference, you have yours and there are games that fit your tastest. Choice is great isnt it.
S.Moss
December 16th, 2009 at 23:10
But Shift has circus tents, circus like banners across the circuit. Media tents in no way represent a circus tent.. Also in your 2nd picture you show what is the Support Race Paddock at brands, with all the teams trucks and awnings..
Is shift a threat, certainly not. People that like shift will be happy playing that, same for iRacing
NombreyApellido
December 16th, 2009 at 23:22
Howard, come on… You did not participate in any official session AT ALL! You opened an account and perhaps you gave it a try in test drive mode… But that’s hardly iRacing.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But very, very few people is able to make it worthwhile. Keep that in mind.
/Chris
P.S: This comment is based on recorded stats by iRacing user HOWARD MOTZ as can be checked at http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/CareerStats.do?custid=33947
marc1111
December 16th, 2009 at 23:37
It’s fun watching the haters come onto iRacing threads and stir things up with insults and digging comments. These are the kinds of comments that people make when they are not where they want to be, wishing they were on the other side of the fence. Same as when ugly little boys are mean to the pretty girls they can’t have.
It’s equally fun watching the iRacing guys get all wound up about it. The good thing is that when they are wound up, they keep ignorance from spreading and they remind me of all the things that make iRacing so enjoyable and the best discretionary money I have spent in a LONG time. I’m happy with my “investment”.
With all that said, I do agree with Howie47 that iRacing could pick up a few tricks and features from the game sims to enhance the graphics and create a more immersive atmosphere. Moving flagmen, moving pitcrews, activity on pit lane would all be pretty cool in iRacing and I would love to see them.
S. Moss is right. In the test and practice sessions, the stands are empty. During quali there are more people. During races, the stands are jam packed. This always bothers me at Infineon because the first time you approach the uphill turn #2, the stands take up the whole background and look completely different with all the different colored shirts than they did with all the laps you had run in practice and testing. Still no tents though!
Okay, carry on gentlemen!
Sommergemüse
December 16th, 2009 at 23:42
Watch 0:29 WRONG!!!
Lol Shift ones is more Realistic! (With Tents and other Crap Removed!)
BenUK
December 17th, 2009 at 00:13
The track looks absolutlely superb.
Great (probably the best) layout, great textures, nice colours, nice looking tarmac. 1000 times better than the RACE version, and a bit better than the Shift version.
Would like to see a lap of the GP circuit.
Lincoln Miner
December 17th, 2009 at 00:19
I’ve been a proponent of iRacing and other PC sims taking a closer look at the atmosphere created by the console sims. Typically the console do a better job with atmosphere, IMO.
I went back and looked at the pictures of Brands on race day and there were actually quite a few tents, but of course each ‘race day’ is different depending on the series. Don’t know if the NFS version got them all in the correct spot, but after seeing those in the NFS version, I too agree it would be good to get them in the iRacing versions. iRacing has multiple versions of each track for testing, qualys, time trials and race, but generally it seems they just add crowds for qualy and races.
It would be nice to add the tents for Brands. They have them for Atlanta. Guess we’ll find out when we see Brands tomorrow. As for the accuracy of the NFS track surface and position of their track side objects, I still believe they are likely significantly less accurate with laser scanning the track and the objects.
One thing to consider though on adding special trackside objects is that iRacing runs SCCA Solstice, Skip Barber, Mazda’s, Radicals, ALMS Vette’s and Indy cars. Some of those cars don’t run at all at Brands and the track side tents for a race with a SCCA Solstice would be different than F1 or ALMS or Indy cars, so I suppose less makes some sense in that respect.
Howie47
December 17th, 2009 at 02:08
Only reason I keep coming back to iFacing threads is because you guys are such a blast. Hunnny, your ugly boy want’s another glass of wine. Pretty please.
Sommergemüse
December 17th, 2009 at 02:31
I think iRacing users feeling like the best peoples on the world, and they think every other guy who’s not playing iracing is a noob…
and if you compare the iracing track closely you can find many many errors..
if you want to have the whole game how much to pay? 1000+ $ lol!!! and then monthly fees too..
I wouldn’t pay so much for a game… never
moppenheimer
December 17th, 2009 at 02:41
So im confused, do you have anything new to add, or are you trying to join the ranks of the useless trolls with the same 2 goddamn complaints?
michael
December 17th, 2009 at 05:23
The irony is that they’ve matched the price of the real track too
felipe
December 17th, 2009 at 06:35
Give me a break! He’s just another rich kid who got to drive on daddy’s name and is a NOBODY in real racing give him a drive in the WTCC and he will be over 5 secs slower! I think iRacing does a gr8 job fooling the rich kids in believing those red necks are really involved somehow in iRacing. PD itself has invested more money in making GT5 than iRacing will ever make in hundreds of years so stop fooling yourself thinking iRacing is what it isn’t! Yes iRacing is special but for those who think they are special!
jux
December 17th, 2009 at 06:55
Sorry, but you are either completely ignorant or a delusional moron if you think Dale Jr. in iRacing is not the real Jr.
Lincoln Miner
December 17th, 2009 at 07:38
Felipe, iRacing is hardly made up of rich kids. I’m 51 years old and I’m questioning why I even get into conversations with someone like yourself. How old are you?
I raced all the PC sims, Forza and GT Prologue, so my opinion is based on actual experience. How much races have you run in iRacing. You seem to think you know what it’s like. I have over 350 races in iRacing and hundreds and hundreds of hours in the other sims. Keep convincing yourself your knowledge of iRacing is accurate. You crack me up. :)
felipe
December 17th, 2009 at 07:41
I don’t care if is the real or the one iRacing got to post all I know he’s a nobody outside the red necks world!
Lincoln Miner
December 17th, 2009 at 08:02
Why do you always seem to be so mad at something or someone? Are there thread topics where you actually have positive things to say or educate the readers on something.
What threads are those, because it sure doesn’t seem to be any thread related to iRacing. What am I missing?
Peter
December 17th, 2009 at 10:20
I’m in Australia and I know who he is and so do a few friends of mine even my brother who doesn’t even watch Nascar or play iRacing know’s who he is.
ethone
December 17th, 2009 at 10:47
Don’t feed a troll every time you see one.
They die of a lack of recognition you know.
It’s getting bad in the iR threads but please, don’t feel the need to fight back every time. It takes two to tango.
FooAtari
December 17th, 2009 at 12:04
Well felipe with your last few ignorant and childish comments (i hope for your sake your younger than late teens) I have lost all respect for you and your comments have no credibility with me.
I cannot believe ANY racing fan has never heard of Dale Earnhardt Jr even if only through association with his dad (I live in Scotland and my only exposure to Nascar used to be through a tiny column in the back of Autosport magazine and I know who they are!, lets face it how could anyone miss the news of Dale Earnhardts Snr’s death)
And surely anyone with even a passing interest in sims knows there are several racers heavily involved with the sim, including Dale Jr, Justin Wilson and Marcus Ambrose.
Based on those two things you are either trolling, or as I said, so ignorant I couldn’t take your opinions seriously.
As for your comments on NASCAR drivers in WTCC, I agree some would be a little off the pace of the front runners (although not 5 secs) but you are fooling yourself if you think WTCC drivers would amount to anything in NASCAR (again, would be total ignorance showing you don’t really know what your talking about). Just look at how long it has taken Montoya to gain some limited success, and the less said about Scott Speed the better…
Sommergemüse
December 17th, 2009 at 14:06
If some well known drivers (I don’t know all named drivers from you! BTW) using iRacing – this has nothing to say….
Thats are peoples enjoying racing really much and iRacing is only for fun and relaxing for them…
How ignorant are you, if you think this game is real – only why real race drivers playing them?? Lol!
ermax18
December 17th, 2009 at 14:27
No sim is real. But some are more real then others. But if your a real driver wanting to freshen up on a track layout before doing a real race, why wouldn’t you do it on one of the most realistic sims with the most accurate layouts? There are way more real drivers in iRacing then the 3 or 4 that consistently pop up. Just have a look through the members list at iRacing.com.
If you don’t recognize the names Dale Earnhardt Jr., Justin Wilson and Marcus Ambrose, then perhaps you aren’t much of a motorsports fan.
Sommergemüse
December 17th, 2009 at 15:01
I’m not living in America, I’m more interested on Series like F1, WTCC, VLN, DTM, MotoGP and Series like ALMS, Nascar are boring for me (okay ALMS final Race was great but Nascar not)
What is so great driving 3000 hours in a circle?
And that’s really true no Sim is Real – and will never be
Tim Wheatley (iRacing)
December 17th, 2009 at 15:30
Seems just a little prejudice.
You know, it’s a shame when a community can’t just be happy to see a wonderful track brought into another option. You do realize that if you buy one racing title your others will continue to work, right? You can have this track in two (or more) pieces of software, right?
This community has so many options to enjoy itself, but doesn’t seem to want to. lol
Sommergemüse
December 17th, 2009 at 15:43
But the others are one time payment and for iRacing you have to pay to much! It’s to much money for me for a simple game !
Tokartta
December 17th, 2009 at 15:46
I don’t want to get involved in the poothrowing competition, but having been a regular visitor to Brands Hatch over the last couple of years, I just want to refute some claims that some are making in the community about the runoff on the exit of Druids being incorrect in the iRacing version in the video.
That runoff was changed earlier this year from the grasscrete seen in the Stuart Mosely SR8 vid (which dates from February 2008), to a much thinner version. In the knowledge that a vouch from someone that has stood not 10m away from that spot two weeks before the iRacing scan won’t be enough to appease some people, here are three photographs:
Early 2009:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevipedia/3466978188/
Mid 2009:
http://www.mini7.co.uk/gallery/2009gallery3/images/11.jpg
iRacing scan day (just posted by Kevin Iannarelli)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/790534/DSC_5435.jpg
I just wanted to make a point of clearing that up once and for all.
Tim Wheatley (iRacing)
December 17th, 2009 at 15:51
That’s fine. Just don’t click the subscribe button and I’m sure it won’t be a problem for you. Fully understand you not feeling good about the costs though, it is just too much for some people when they compare it to other things – but it does depend on what you are comparing it to.
I spend more on a lot of things than I would owning 100% of iRacing content and don’t even think about them – and I am not rich. But that’s me… I personally don’t like how much a Ferrari costs, but I’m not going to go on every car forum to attach them, either.
iRacing spends more to build tracks than (for example) Papyrus tracks did, and although you do not like the pricing, it is proportionate to iRacing’s costs when building.
A business needs to stay in business to continue doing business.
Tim Wheatley (iRacing)
December 17th, 2009 at 15:53
attach = attack. Spelling error. :)
Diswanio
December 17th, 2009 at 16:41
I Love it (Lotus 79 that is) what ever the cost lol, not rich neither..
I so can’t wait till Brands will be released, when Tim when :)
Zenitchik
December 17th, 2009 at 16:47
Very subjective and to the point
Montoya
December 17th, 2009 at 16:49
Wow, iRacing hatred meets NASCAR bashing, what a rush. Yes, everyone who likes NASCAR is a redneck… stereotypes are a nice thing, aren’t they?
The weirdest point against iRacing is that it is only for “rich people”. To outsiders, that makes it sound like you need to spend hundreds of dollars each month.
A monthly subscription plus two new content items each month (a car and a track) costs less than fifty bucks. In what world are fifty Dollars a month a sum for rich people? One night out in a club or wheverever will cost you the same if not more, is that just for rich people too?
Cable TV or broadband internet costs around the same each month. I guess everyone who has it must be loaded. “Them rich kids with their DSL lines..”
Seriously, the debate wheter or not someone is willing to spend this much on sim racing is legitimate for sure. But making it sound like it’s impossible for most people to afford is just nuts, everyone who has half a decent job can afford iRacing without letting the family starve to death…
Diswanio
December 17th, 2009 at 16:58
Its so payable imo!
Just a matter of Negative Attention-Seeking Behaviors
Diswanio
December 17th, 2009 at 17:08
DL BH atm Awesome!
michael
December 17th, 2009 at 17:24
Usually because the most realistic sims cost millions and millions to develop and, most drivers simply aren’t good enough to get into the F1 teams that currently own those sims.
I suspect other drivers would use something cheaper, like iRacing, if at all.
Although don’t read too much into it, when a driver says to autosim magazine they’d use it to learn the track, that’s pretty much saying that they aren’t kidding themselves that it’s actually realistic or anything like racing in a real car in a real track – it’s just that, sadly, that magazine and the sim community at large often reads what it wants to read.
Indeed, they often say something like “it’s x% accurate” showing that even that aspect isn’t right…but, out of all the things, it’s the one that does have some real world value, bearing in mind that the guy has driven a real car for decades and is going to get to the track and drive a real car around the real track anyway. If anything, the games lack of forces and lack of realism makes the sim more useful to a real driver.
Bear in mind that a French le mans driver once said that Grid was extremely accurate – Why? It’s called PR. Any WTCC driver that said anything positive about Race Pro c/w MS’s wheel wasn’t being honest.
David Beckham will tell you his Calvin Klein underpants are great too. Do you believe that your underpants being worn by a real footballer helps when you play Football Manager 2010? This is how silly most of you sound when you talk about real drivers playing a game that you happen to like.
Real drivers eat chocolate cake. But so what? Why should that have a significance?
Getting the track layout accurate is actually quite low hanging fruit once you have laser scanning. So, it isn’t really going to separate iRacing for very long – it’s just that it doesn’t really matter that much for the vast majority of folk who are going to play a computer game.
Folk like Turn 10, SMS and PD are selling millions and millions of copies of their games year after year. If realism is a function of budget, they can afford far more realism. If it’s $100,000 to scan a track as Autosim recently said, it won’t be a huge obstacle for most good game developers to add them if they think it matters.
Whereas clearly that is more than $1 per iRacing subscriber per track – plus profit and royalties on top – and for the vast majority of players, they couldn’t care less, and wouldn’t know if the track is 100% accurate or not. This is the point iRacing probably realise, the sim community is easy to delude – they show that over and over again, after a while you’ll start to compare track layouts with a game, instead of with reality, in the same way some of you compare handling in a new game with something that’s completely wrong but you were convinced was authentic by PR and BS.
If any real driver is using iRacing’s silverstone layout to learn anything, he’s doing it on the sim community’s coin. That is quite ironic.
The truth is, real drivers will get something a lot better than iracing in terms of their sport (like the stuff the F1 teams are developing for themselves) and non real drivers will get something a lot better than iracing in terms of a finished, polished game at a reasonable price.
Where they might win is the niche they have for subscription based league racing – but if Bram had a half a clue (and simbin weren’t so useless at providing suitable server code) RD could provide that.
sediol
December 17th, 2009 at 18:04
If iRacing’s business modell is working in the long term, that would be fine with me.
But there are lot of people who don’t want to pay twice for a game. Strange enough to pay every month for it(!) …and then on top of it again for cars/tracks? No, thank you.
Why do they whine that people are mentioning this fact – it’s still true isn’t it?
Diswanio
December 17th, 2009 at 18:49
No its not, You think it is wich is ok!
Why keep and again keep mentioning it..
Don’t like it, 4 Pete sake stop leaving these lame remarks imo!
It is the way it is, deal with it in your own space
hoboracer
December 17th, 2009 at 19:32
Subscription simracing is still too new. Give it a few more years for people to get used to it and the bitching about pricing will eventually end. Everyone is used to a $50 game + free mods & tracks. That’s really hard to beat.
sediol
December 17th, 2009 at 19:33
@Diswanio
Of course it’s true. You pay a monthly/yearly fee and on top of it extra for tracks/cars that you want to drive.
Have a little walk, that will appease you…
Diswanio
December 17th, 2009 at 20:46
lol, thnx it helped
Zenitchik
December 17th, 2009 at 21:59
Yearly fee, you mean like the one you pay to EA for fifa, nascar, madden, nhl, nfs etc, every year?
If you want IRacing to drop the prices, bashing it seems to be a rather stupid move, from your side..