iRacing.com – Blowing Off Steam

In late February, iRacing launched their push to have their online racing simulation added to Steam as members were asked to vote for iRacing on Steam Greenlight.

Reactions from the community haven’t been all that positive, causing iRacing’s Kevin Bobbitt to release a rather blunt blog entry, addressing the situation:

I can’t remember the last time a staff forum post caused so much angst. Asking members to vote for iRacing on Steam’s Project Greenlight sure brought-out some opinions. It seems as if members are either very much for it or very much against it. I can’t understand why you would be against it, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

The whole reason we added iRacing to Project Greenlight was to try and reach new people (presuming we can get Greenlit). We have no plans to change the way things work here at iRacing. We still plan to handle purchases and updates through our site – we think we have developed a pretty good system! While we don’t know exactly how Steam integration would work – we need to have some conversations with Steam first – we do envision it working in a way that would make it easy for new people to sign up for iRacing through Steam. Once they are members, they would get their updates directly through us, or through Steam if they prefer. So for all existing members there would be absolutely no change to the way things work presently except for one small thing . . . .

. . . . there would be more iRacers! This is good for everyone involved with iRacing. More racers means more people signing-up to race. The splits would be better, the racing would be better and we (iRacing) can continue to develop the title. All of the features you keep asking about take time and money to create, and more customers certainly helps with the latter.

All this talk about “Bringing-in the wrong type of people” is ridiculous. What kind of people do you want? I want people who are passionate about racing and racing games, have a PC and Internet connection and maybe already have a racing wheel. Will any of the new members join and immediately be ready for the World Championship series? Probably not, but let’s face it, most of you are not either (present company included). Will they make rookie mistakes in the rookie races? You betcha. Will they ask rookie questions in the forums? Sure. Will they not follow the sporting code to the letter on day one? Absolutely. Any of this sound familiar? I bet it describes most of us. None of us are perfect and all of us have made mistakes on iRacing. Most of us have learned from them and gotten better. So what makes you think these potential new iRacers would be any different?

All I’m asking is to be open to the idea that there are many more PC gamers out there that would find iRacing interesting and fun to compete in. We just want to reach out to them and let them know where to find us

The decision to go the Steam route is the newest step of iRacing’s efforts to make their simulation more accessible to a bigger audience. When the service first launched, iRacing was exclusively launched at hardcore sim racers, working with wheels only and offering no driving aids aside from auto clutch.

With gamepad support, driving aids for rookie series and even touch controls having been added already, bringing the title to Steam would be the next step in bringing iRacing’s approach on online racing to a much wider audience. Interested sim racers can vote for iRacing on Steam Greenlight here.

What do you think – Is iRacing decision to go the Steam route a wise one or will it water down the title’s simulation roots? Discuss in the comments below!

GTOmegaRacing.com

  • http://www.facebook.com/Its.5150.Time Austin Ogonoski

    all this means is more idiots in the rookie series.

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I’m not worried about a watering down. Accessibility is good, the same thing Kunos decided after the relatively tepid response to super-hardcore nKP. There just isn’t a large enough hardcore community for sim fans to get everything we want without some money from a wider audience. I like the current approach of most current sims: hardcore physics with more fun stuff added on top.

    My only concern is that without polish, iRacing won’t appeal to many mainstream gamers. And as nKP taught us, few people give racers a second chance. If waiting a few builds means the tires get more intuitive and stable and the visuals get a bit more modern and that results in more new members I’m in favor. Release on Steam now and improvements later won’t correct any damage to public opinion.

  • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

    I agree with most of what you said, except for the second chances. I think iRacing will be around so long our grandchildren will be showing us the latest updates. I see no harm in putting it on steam, they have nothing to loose if it works out the way they want it to. The thing I don’t like is members voting down other sims because they have some sort of chip on their shoulder.

  • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

    Can you not race the rookie cars if you’ve moved past a rookie licence?

    Excuse me I’m an iRacing noob, that’s a genuine question.

  • Anonymous

    On the oval side, class C and higher can’t race rookie Street Stocks (people complained that higher class drivers were coming in and being abusive). Otherwise, as long as your class is high enough you can race wherever you want.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, the sabotaging competing sims is stupid. Competition is good, like auto racing for manufacturers, competition improves the breed.

    I agree there’s nothing to lose it it works out. Question is if it will work out the way they want, and whether waiting a bit for some polish and shine would be better. Gamers tend to be fickle, a bad launch can torpedo progress. Look at Sim City 5 and The War Z.

  • João Dário

    the simulator must continue a simulator some visual improvement its not a bad thing even for the “hardcore community”, what I disagree is about the aids its a SIMULATOR ffs. And coming to steam It will be HUGE(if it happens) the one thing I see everyone complaining about its the price which I agree even for me its a pain in the ass when I want to race in a different season with Mclaren or Ford GT, and the tracks needed, its just to expensive to buy them all at once. But as Kevin Bobbitt said it would bring so many more drivers and that is GOOD, more money for them more FUN for us. The only thing bad about this is, that they will be learning all at the same time which means a lot of bad behavior but that is completely normal, even the “hardcore community” makes rookie mistakes and have rookie behavior kinda like Darin we all saw that. (Sorry Darin, but I’m trying to get to a point to make people understand that is not a bad thing for the current Iracing community to join steam)

  • GamerMuscle

    The people that are pissed , are probably the ones that whole heartedly believe i racing is not a “game” and is some how something that transcends “gaming” and have internally used that as a justification to spend 300x what they would normally feel comfortable spending on a “game”

    In the end any game is what you make of it and if people really enjoy what i racing has to offer then its cost although disproportionate for a game or simulator can still be worth it.

    Mind you I don’t think it will ever get on steam unless they drastically changed its structure , I don’t think valve are happy to have steam simply act as a window to advertise for another companies product.

    Valve seems to be interested in things that make sense and mutually beneficial partnerships outside of cash alone.

    Steam only really works when a game is properly implemented and integrated through it and uses steam as the back bone + DRM for the product. When Games don’t there is often massive backlash, U-play , Games for windows live or when tribes and planet side were separate from steam for example.

    Be interesting to see what happens I don’t think its that likely that i racing would end up on steam though , but if it did anything that shoves sim racing in-front of more people can only be good.

  • http://twitter.com/house382 Kyle House

    I think this is perfect for them. Finally shows the level they have reached with what was a hardcore fan base that would have followed them anywhere. Instead they stabbed us in the back and are now resorting to what amounts to fliers at a bus stop to pull anyone in. I will guess that 99% of the people who but in though steam will think they are buying into just another arcade game. They won’t like it and will quit. This says quite a bit about how things are going over in Connecticut.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marcus-Caton/647940120 Marcus Caton

    +1 Sir!!

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Getting angry behind a wheel in the heat of the moment is not something reserved for only rookies.

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    It seems some people would find iRacing going to Steam as a threat to their precious sim akin to a foreign invasion on it’s way.

  • João Dário

    btw do you know/play War Z ?? I was looking to buy it but I dont no… is it awesome ??

  • João Dário

    thanks for saying exactly what I said.

  • João Dário

    btw you did get the point of what I was trying to say right ?

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    I did get it but you contradicted yourself. If the so-called ‘hardcore’ racers get angry too then it can’t exclusively be called ‘rookie behaviour’ can it ?

  • Alan Dallas

    I for one will never go back to iRacing. Even if it is on Steam(most of my gaming library is on Steam already). Reason: The subscription model they use is antiquated. So old in fact even company’s like for example Sony Online Entertainment(Everquest, EQII, and soon EQ Next) have or are doing away with it completely. Free To Play model with player purchasing additional content is the more accepted way of doing an Online gaming service these days. If you can’t afford to offer Free-to-play with limited content as a company then you seriously need to have a hard look at your business model and see were you are wasting money.

    Forcing a player to pay a subscription fee month to month AND asking them to purchase additional content is Double dipping into the customers wallet. You’re just going to piss off or turn off potential new customers. Even the guys at Simraceway understand this and they’re growing all the time.

    The way I see it, Kevin Bobbit et al. are just greedy bitches. That is all there is to it. My Opinion, don’t like it? Stuff it.

  • pez2k .

    War Z is the game that Steam refused to continue selling because it was so low-quality and so far from the publisher’s promises, and the developers have just admitted there’s a big security hole in their systems that has let someone walk off with all of their players’ info and passwords. Maybe you’re thinking of Day Z, the mod for Arma 2?

  • Anonymous

    NEWSFLASH IRACING GOES ARCADE
    and turns to Steam as means of distribution.
    LOL

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Wow incredible. So the physics have changed ? Pfff. I’m at a loss to see the lack of understanding. I wonder if you will say the same about Assetto Corsa if that gets greenlit. Putting it on Steam makes it as available as GTR2, RACE07 too. They were in shops worldwide.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marcel.penzke Marcel Penzkofer

    We also shouldn’t forget, almost everyone who owns any of the SimBin-titles like RaceRoom, RACE, RACE ’07 or the expansions, still uses Steam. So they’ll notice there is another simracing title as not everyone is signed to communities or sites like virtualr and even less might have heard or ever tried iRacing.

    One of the positive sides of the competition in simracing market now could be that there is someone like SimBin who already has their fans and followers or simply brought people to steam. Guess iRacing would have to thank SimBin for that then because I guess most of the Steam-iRacers will be former SimBin-racers.

  • WaitingForAC

    I cant say home much I agree with this

  • speed1

    Some people need urgently a doctor.

  • Brandon Miller

    Well said!

  • WaitingForAC

    What’s the point of being on steam may I ask? They don’t need an effective distribution channel as they can do it all themselves as proven over the past 4 years. This was all a jealousy act, and or fear of Assetto Corsa.

    Kevin doesnt understand why people would be mad? Maybe its the same reason that majority of the user base is perplexed as to why touch driving was a priority over tire wear, lucky dogs for oval and maybe a surface/track model that was worth a damn? Or the Kia that jumped priority over the RUF and DW12, Nationwide Camaro revision and Ford Mustang.

    Honestly, they make it sound like they are looking out for your interest with this (in a roundabout way by increasing members).

    If they gave a crap about you and I as members maybe they would read the NTM discussion forum, turn lap in AC or RF2, get low lined in an oval race, run the wrong groove compared to real life in an oval race, or get caught in a draft lock oval race, make more poor track choice selections which cater to the lowest common denominator, focus more on dirty driving than cussing, make us pay for two of the same oval car (minus skin, you know they could have gave you a bundle discount or something) just to keep 100% content… I can go on.

    And for you iR defense force members, I hope you guys are ready for the coming weeks. I have heard from several people that you have a better chance of Kate Upton texting you to get drinks this weekend than seeing the Lotus 49 this coming build.

  • João Dário

    +1

  • João Dário

    actually no. rookie behavior as immature. get it now ?

  • João Dário

    you may suffer of something called stupidity !

  • João Dário

    Its not about the distribution …
    “The whole reason we added iRacing to Project Greenlight was to try and reach new people (presuming we can get Greenlit). We have no plans to change the way things work here at iRacing. We still plan to handle purchases and updates through our site”

    They just want to display their game in a fucking huge community like steam is!!! So they can extort more people…

  • João Dário

    no, I was talking about The War Z and for what I saw in gameplays looks nice graphically about the actually gameplay factor and fun factor I dont know much and I dont wanna buy it for nothing, its just 13 euros anyways…

  • http://www.facebook.com/mazda.mps.1 Mazda Mps

    “While we don’t know exactly how Steam integration would work”.

    Huh? Why did you apply for it then?

  • João Dário

    because that is about the distribution as in transactions or mini transactions, in the first point they said that everything about purchasing would be on their site, and when he said that he put the chance of trade their system for one integrated to steam, is that hard to understand english ? you try so hard to look for an opportunity to flame… its sad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mazda.mps.1 Mazda Mps

    Why are you on the offensive. Chill please. This is a discussion board so let us discuss our views :)

    I just thought they would do their research first. If they don’t quite know how they are going to integrate it then why apply?

    Seems like they might have done it just because of AC?

  • João Dário

    you were the one on the offensive read the text and understand it, then post a comment.
    They dont quite know how, true but that doesnt mean they dont have any idea, they just need to talk to steam to find the best solution as Bobbit said in the text. even so its because of AC, we can say AC trying to go on steam because of simbin…. its all about the money and where it is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Diego-Colafabio/644649048 Diego Colafabio

    I like steam idea, more people = more money = laserscanned Nordschleife (lol i’m joking, this is just my dream). Anyway i hope they’ll keep the “simulation road”, i’m a proud iRacer because i love realism, even if sometimes can be frustrating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=796758915 Sam Stratten

    LOUD NOISES!!!!!

    Reading these comments reminds me why I never go online to race anymore. Elitist w*****s.

    Whether it’s AC, iRacing, rF or pCars one thing remains true. They’re all video GAMES. Its laughable how serious people take this hobby.

  • Anonymous

    I dunno, if I can use the rock solid Steam update servers instead of the slow iRacing ones, that’s good enough for me. That or if it means more races split.

    Looking forward to your post praising AC for being on Steam, though ;)

  • Anonymous

    Have never played either of the two, but from what I’ve read I wouldn’t touch War Z with a ten foot pole. Go with Day Z standalone.

  • Anonymous

    Thing with driving aids is that every simulation ever, including the old Papyrus ones, had driving aids. At least the iRacing ones make you significantly slower.

  • Anonymous

    What does Connecticut have to do with anything?

  • Anonymous

    Nope, as always when your favorite sim does something you need to praise it to the skies. When any other sim does the same thing, you need to tell everybody how that thing is what’s killing the genre. That’s how the sim racing community works.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ptodd2 Paul Todd

    Online racing is fantastic when you find a good league to race in. I like the fact you race with the same people week in week out and build up friendships. this is why I keep away from Iracing, I had a few races and on-track respect was non-existent. Maybe when you get higher up on Iracing it changes, but that was my pet hate.

  • Anonymous

    Because even if they don’t get accepted it’s still advertising in its current state.

  • http://www.facebook.com/arwin.t.rizqurrahman Arwin Rizqurrahman

    im cool with their idea to go abroad with Steam. yeah more customer means that iRacing will grow faster.

    But my angst point is the ROOKIE’S AIDS. please, dont go with this. serious bummer. just stick with the only ‘auto clucth’

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Nope.

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Seems so Bakkster. If only some the arguments were more reasoned out instead of just coming out with nonsensical statements, at least the debate itself would be more interesting.

  • stabiz

    The worst thing about iRacing is not the software or the service, its the rabid ex-member hater-zealots it produces. Those lunatics have seemingly unlimited internet trolling stamina. Look at WaitingForAC, pretty much all his comments (even on AC items) is about iRacing. I dont understand how its possible to hate a piece of software that much.

  • http://twitter.com/ipitydafool Andrew Male

    They want more people on the service? Oh the horror!!!

    It’s like the reaction from indie kids when their band gets popular, “it was OUR band!”

    If they grow their user base maybe they could, you know grow the business and create a better service for us all. Such shortsightedness.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Schmidt/100001406158677 Justin Schmidt

    i would join iracing on steam. i don’t want to pay with creditcard or paypal. steam has the option to pay with paysafecard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wesley.modderkolk Wesley Modderkolk

    My problem with it was is that it has nothing to do with steam. The only thing it would do was make it buyable via steam, and that was all.

    Out of that it would have nothing to do with steam, it wouldnt be used to distribute updates, content or whatever steam could be used for. They only tried to use steam to get some ‘free’ advertisement for their game.

    Apart from that, the page(when I read it, which was about 2 months ago iic) said nothing about costs, it maybe named “subscription” once but that was all, it didnt mention having to pay for aditional content. The whole page gave the suggestion that you buy it, and then can drive with anything you like that is available, which is not true.

    TL;DR they tried to make this game to steam to use it for nothing else than advertisement and trying to rip off people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mazda.mps.1 Mazda Mps

    I wasn’t on the offensive. Was just starting an adult discussion.

    Getting tired of childish defensive fanboys on here.

  • João Dário

    fanboys ?? you most deff not talking about me !
    You should really start to attend English classes for real, so you can understand what other people say/write.

  • João Dário

    omg is that hard to understand that rookie behavior is the same thing as being immature…

  • GamerMuscle

    Exactly , this is why I stopped using it.

    sure with there current model they will get a a group of dedicated racing fans to hand over the cash and sure some aspects of the service are very good , but the more content they add the more they dilute the product and the more fringe players decide to just move to other products.

    Its not even a problem of just overall cost , The complexity of buying the product is a joke. Buy a car buy tracks , Pay monthly , Maybe take advantage of this offer , Get some credits back if you race….

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Understanding isn’t that difficult. Agreeing with it is.

    I don’t think rookie behaviour translates into immaturity at all. That means all rookies are immature and I don’t think that is the case at all. Especially those who are eager to learn and improve.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=796758915 Sam Stratten

    Nope. You just have to find a league and do as you said.

  • Anonymous

    Rookie behavior does not always equal being immature. It might mean you weren’t in the right mindset at the time. It might have meant you were distracted by your cat walking across your keyboard or your kid crying for help. It could mean a lot of things.

    More importantly, it’s a G*d D*mn video game, people. The seriousness with which people treat iRacing races is one of the reasons I stopped playing. That and the fact it costs hundreds of dollars to get all the content and keep your subscription going.

  • Anonymous

    My Point the Hardcore perceptions might change even if the game physics does not. Almost the same bogusness some other titles get. I thought you for one could read through my post as totally joking. I’m surprised I stumped the master.

  • Anonymous

    Oh really read my reply to F1 and there is your answer. Is jerkiness inherited or is it learned?

  • Anonymous

    Pretty similar to the iRacing people posting constantly about how Project Cars and every other game is crap. Its stupid on both sides.

  • Anonymous

    If you are not racing at that level and these changes don’t effect you why should it matter? I just see it as a move to make the experience enjoyable to as many people as possible because it seems just being hardcore isn’t paying the bills.

  • Anonymous

    Yes you are okay with new people as long as they are conformist and bow to the long time members. I see things a little different There is every chance to work the service into something the majority can enjoy and not effect the experience that the users now enjoy. If iRacing decides to add new features to attract more people and makes it users choice to use these and include restrictions on where these features can be used I see that as good not watering down the experience you have now. If your not gamer friendly you don’t survive in this industry because the competition in the market is strong. I don’t see a problem with creating gaming scenarios that fit the needs of the most people.

  • Anonymous

    I agree this is suppose to be fun and inviting to all and not restricted to only a certain group of sim racer. Sometimes I wonder if Sim Racing was the cause of turning Dr Jekyll into Mr. Hyde

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Heh, I don’t know whether that was derogatory or complimentary :)

    Guess I didn’t read into the meaning quite as you meant it then. That can happen sometimes when you read something that could maybe have been phrased better :)

  • Anonymous

    A Fricken Men to that. It’s not a blood battle people it’s a video game.

  • Anonymous

    You know I have never been at odds with you. Problem is we don’t have smileys so that’s why I added the LOL tag.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=562060798 Timpie Claessens

    Nice, whinging about someones language but then use the words “for real” and “most deff”.

  • WaitingForAC

    Never had any problems here, middle of the pack fios package at 50/25 and everything downloads within minutes

  • WaitingForAC

    In business typically advertising is considered part of your distribution channel, that is what I was getting at.

  • WaitingForAC

    This coming from the guy who spends time here and other forums posting in every single AC thread about how iRacing has or will have something.

  • WaitingForAC

    “Actually some Steam people would be very refreshing as compared to some who are here now
    Oh as for Nascar Thunder I did a 20 lap race last night starting 43 and banged my way to second .because I over drove a couple corners at the end SR and iRating lost? Zero”

    A quote from a new member today.

    I Racing was supposed to be aimed at hardcore only sim racers where real life consequences were felt via the sim.

    Seems that isnt the case anymore.

  • Anonymous

    At patch time you end up getting a bunch of people whose downloads get stuck at a few bits per second until they close and restart the download. Not a common issue, but having a second source to download from at busy periods can’t be a bad thing.

  • Anonymous

    This is the internet, where interesting discussions go to die.

  • Anonymous

    Actually that sounds precisely like a driver feeling the consequences of the license system. Why else would he be complaining? ;)

    The question is how many of the more mainstream racing audience would join iRacing and adapt to the system, and how many would complain about it and quit instead. The post you referenced isn’t uncommon, but they are generally the people that iRacers worry about joining: the mythical ‘arcade smash-em-up racer’.

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    I do smileys like this :) or :-) LOL could be interpreted as you lauging AT the issue, sort of taking the pee. So that’s how I interpreted it. This is what comes from reading so many troll comments that when you see one that isn’t meant to be, you can take it the wrong way quite easily.

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    So true.

  • Mrslfrsl

    NM

  • Donnie Witt

    Being an iracing member for over 3 1/2 yrs i agree with what WaitingForAC says & others . RF2 announces beta , iracacing soon after announces 2.0 coming , Almost 2 yrs later how much of that do we have & how much of it works decently . I won’t even go into the 2.0 NTM .

    Other games bring out the L49 , So iracing announces one , Still not here delay and excuses over & over .

    AC is announced with talk of going to steam & what does iracing do .

    I joined iracing because there was an age & wheel & pedals requirement no driving aides & cockpit only view . For serious racers . Where did all that go ?

    To me the promises & announcements are a complete & sad joke . How many times has a car – track or feature been announced & then been put on the back burner & not heard of again ? Speaking of features how many have been in other racing games for YEARS that aren’t in iracing ?

    So yes after over 3 1/2 yrs & about a $1000.00 i am disgusted & don’t believe a word they say .

    For what they charge there shouldn’t be a racing game that could even come close to them . To me they are lite years behind RF2 in physics & FFB .

  • Donnie Witt

    Well said , Announcements & promises are easy , Producing is by far another matter . Most sensible people quit believing after a year or so let alone 4 yrs or so .

  • Anonymous

    Every major sim has had at least one delay in the last year, it’s par for the course for us. Usually I mention iRacing future developments in reference to people claiming iRacing doesn’t think a feature is worth adding even though it’s in development.

    I’m not a fan of the speed of iRacing development, but I wouldn’t have kept my subscription up if I didn’t think it was enjoyable NOW. Nobody should pay in hopes of a game being enjoyable later.

  • João Dário

    that part was when I lost all the interest to discuss anything with someone who cant interpret what other people say

  • João Dário

    I know, but that wasnt what I was trying to emphasise because what they really want is to reach more people through steam platform, and of course that will change the channel of distribution but that is not their primary target at least is what he said in the text

  • João Dário

    but the point its to simulate(as in real life), so why the aids ? I dont care, they can change whatever they want as long as it continues a sim. I’m a member to iracing makes tomorrow 1 month. I already have my D licence(road), I dont know how long you are a member and how it was when you were a rookie but know there some people o go to the track and pay for such an expensive game just to ruin everyone’s race.

  • Matt Orr

    Ever play Planetside 2 – another game from SOE?

    Yea, it’s “where do I pay”, not “free to play”. And honestly, the entire package sucks because of it. Weapons have zero meaning, classes are muddled and mixed with so many useless items. It is a game of useless fights that mean nothing because everyone is focused on grinding certs out so they can get whatever weapon is “fresh” this week. The game lost any fun. When it was in beta – before the cert system was added – it was the best damn FPS I’ve played, after it… one of the worst.

    It’s the equivalent of iRacing making the base content Free. Honestly, that would suck and we all know it. Not to mention iRacing has done SEVERAL free trial offers – infact the Cadillac deal is still going – and every time the racing quality has gone down hill.

    F2P is easily the worst thing to happen to gaming in a very long time. The only “good” implementation of F2P to date has been TF2 – a game which was a retail title for how many years before it went F2P?

    Do I like the current model? No. But it beats attracting the F2P communities and all the downsides that comes with it. Going F2P would destroy the gated community environment, and that would not be a positive for something like iRacing.

    Though as I’ve said on the iR forums before, using the credit program to get directly free subs for the next season would be the best solution IMO. Race a full season one season, free season next in terms of sub fees. That way you have to actually race – and not just wreck – to stay there.

  • João Dário

    I agree with you and with EZehnder and if you knew what I was trying to say you would agree with me,I’m not on the offensive, I’m just commentating with my opinion I might not express the way I wanted so you could understand, so just forget it…

  • Matt Orr

    Which is pretty similar to the pCARS and AC Defense Forces.

    Every sim has their legion, shame none of em will shut up. Cept the rF2 crowd, but rF2 is so far behind in polish right now… Well, here comes the rF2 defense force!

  • Anonymous

    I am not saying to take anything away from what people want but the in addition to approach never hurt. So what I am saying is if nothing will change for the members now but other things included as optional to a Rookie or D class level what difference is that to an A class driver. I also believe that private test sessions could include AI and optional driving views. it only effects the individual. I am not saying to allow these changes in all classes and modes.

  • daz

    What’s the point of being on Steam?
    Maybe you should ask Kunos. AC has been put forward for Greenlight.

    iRacing members may not get the Lotus 49 this build. It will have something in common with AC, as I don’t see folks racing it there either, lol. In fact I don’t see anything other than the Tech Demo so far. so much for the Q1 release of the sim (and folks go on about iRacing delaying content).

  • daz

    They just want to display their game in a fucking huge community like steam is!!!

    —————————————————————————–
    Is that also Kunos’s reason for going for Greenlight with AC?

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    oki

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Garrett/100001190916179 Jason Garrett

    300x? What is wrong with you? How much do you think iRacing actually costs? I love variety, so I’m a 100% content owner, and I’ve spent less than $700 and my subscription is good until October 2015. So an average game is $50 or so, but the only “average game” I’ve played longer than 6 months is rFactor. I’ve been iRacing for close to 2 years and it still feels as fresh as the day I started.

    I understand the hate for iRacing, I really do, it’s expensive if you are like me. But there are plenty of people on iRacing who joined with the desire to race in one series and that’s it. So you don’t have to buy all of the content, if you want to race the Indy car for example you can reach the series with free content and then buy the Indy car and the tracks it runs on for that season. They only switch up a few tracks each season normally, and you can use those as “drop weeks” if you are concerned about points.

    iRacing doesn’t have to be expensive if you don’t want it to.

  • Anonymous

    The rF2 beta was announced November 2011, and iRacing 2.0 was announced April 2012. Your definition of ‘soon’ is just as long as iRacing’s ;) I find it a little funny you accuse iRacing of copying the other sims for announcing a Lotus 49, when it was Papyrus that really introduced it to sim racing. When nKP was released there was a hardcore mode, where did that go in AC?

    I mean, let’s not let something like facts get in the way of bashing a game we don’t like. Nothing like a little paranoia mixed in as well.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. The model could use tweaking (ideally, removing either content of subscription fees, probably the former), but F2P would be awful. The only way F2P works is if they can sell enough useful time limited items, and various visual only prestige bits. Neither seem like a good thing for a fair racing game, it just becomes real life all over again where money buys a faster car than the other guys.

  • speed1

    It is funny. There would be nothing change on the game mechanics. Sounds if iRacing user are the elite or the chosen ones and steam user just looser they have no right to be a part of iRacing and learn racing. As if each individual fell as a master of the sky or coming from another planet. Anyway, every beginner must start in the rookie class.

    It is just ridiculous how some people tick. Especially since it is just fine for the existence of the beloved company and hobby.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.hornbuckle1 Michael Hornbuckle

    Try April 2011 for iracing 2.0…only a year difference but don’t let facts get in the way…http://www.iracing.com/inracingnews/iracing-news/iracing-com-announces-iracing-2-0

  • Anonymous

    +2
    I’m done, my sub expires in a few days, I have a lot of fun for free, ciao

  • Den Burnout

    It wouldn’t water it down any more than iRacing has managed to do on it’s own.

  • WaitingForAC

    Too bad Kunos himself said Spring 2013 not Q1.

    And for what it’s worth isnt PCARS getting shifted to 2014?

  • WaitingForAC

    It’s not bashing, its incredible frustration that we paid $1000 for something RF2 and AC do better for $60

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthias.lauer1 Matthias Lauer

    The biggest problem with iRacing is the horrendous pricing and to much american stuff in it!

  • BackMarker

    Going by your on and on whinging about iRacing at the RD forum it is not a stretch to say you will never be happy with the service. Your opinion of iRacing is tainted due to your whinging.

  • João Dário

    exactly.

  • João Dário

    well, why not ?? its not a bad idea simbin did it.

  • João Dário

    inherited o.O

  • Anonymous

    Same Difference New England.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mazda.mps.1 Mazda Mps

    You are a joke. Yes you are a fanboy and yes you are a childish. Have a look around this site and you will see offensive comments. I wished to discuss, not to have a crayon fight.

  • Anonymous

    With the upcoming of new sims iRacing is 2 expensive for me. I’ve paid for my last month and then I’am out. Like Alan Dallas says, you have to pay double amount compared to other sims and games. I don’t see where my money is coming back developmentwise. Some elements of the physics have been even going in wrong direction by my taste. Most of the new development is content and then I have to pay for it again….But had a great time with iRacing and I still think it is the best online model. It’s like an expensive car…nice to have it but I can’t afford it.

  • Anonymous

    Kunos said Q1 before he said spring. He said 2012 before that. Let’s not pretend that AC hasn’t been delayed. Happens to the best of them.

  • Anonymous

    So what we’re saying is that the rFactor 2 beta was actually a response to iRacing 2.0? Hmmm…

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve30x Steve Farrell

    If they add Hood / Bonnet view I guarantee they will reach new people. I will join iRacing if they done so , but limiting me to cockpit view onlydoesnt work for me.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the correction by the way.

  • Anonymous

    I understand the frustration, and that’s nothing I’ll tell you not to say. If you can find as good or better racing for cheaper than iRacing, then by all means go there.

    I simply disagree with fabricating imaginary reasons to hate iRacing. For example, claiming iR2.0 was a response to rF2 beta, when iR2.0 was announced first. There’s plenty to hate about the iR2.0 debacle without making things up.

  • Arie Beuker, de

    First i do not use Iracing.

    Steam has some great potential. But i also see the problems. 1 problem is the EULA of games. In many EULA’s the creators say they hold the right to cancel your license at anytime. If you do not own a copy of that game, then they can simply close your license on steam and you will no longer be able to play.

    This may be extreme, but its certainly a possibility.
    I personally always want a DVD or downloaded EXE.

    I also feel the same about games that require internet connection to play when they have a single player option (ie the latest Simcity which i will never buy if they keep that online requirement thing)

  • Arie Beuker, de

    The reason Iracing does not appeal to me is the fact you have to pay extra for extra content. The monthly fee is something i can overcome. I would love to try Iracing for sure, but i do not think i will ever do if the keep this system.

  • Anonymous

    If you’re looking for Zombie Apocalypse mmo u should go for DayZ mod or wait for the standalone. WarZ sucks biggie.

  • Anonymous

    Well, that isn’t any different from what iRacing already does. iRacing is online multiplayer only, there is no single player option.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sewnshuteyes Tomasz Zabłocki

    You’re my hero !!! Thanks to you I am now aware of Kate Upton’s existance ;D

  • http://twitter.com/TheNerdSide Matthew Voigt

    The way I see it:

    There are plenty of older generation gamers who take part in PC Sim-Racing.
    There are far too few young generation gamers who take part in PC Sim-Racing.

    iRacing’s service, even with it’s subscription, is the best service to date to introduce new gamers to the sim-racing genre. With the majority of PC gamers being Steam users, it only makes sense. I think all PC sim-racing games should go up on Steam! Have you looked at the ‘simulation’ section of Racing? Pathetic! Let’s bolster up that section with games like iRacing, RF2, AC!

  • Anonymous

    LOL…iracing could learn a thing or two about tires from rf2. Tires…the number 1 reason I’m walking away…their tires suck.

  • Anonymous

    Yes but it’s not like the contributors have nothing and are just waiting Then again I am sure we all have plenty on our plate to keep us busy until then.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Its.5150.Time Austin Ogonoski

    of course I’m not going to be happy with a “service” (read: game) that charges users several times what content is actually worth, and cant insert simple features into a game that all other sims have had for 5+ years.

  • Anonymous

    NO! My Favourite Sim is better than all of Your Favourite Sims!!!

  • Anonymous

    So now it’s a continental thing”

  • sakb sw

    I agree with Alan Dallas’s comments while they were off color

    he said….
    ”Forcing
    a player to pay a subscription fee month to month AND asking them to
    purchase additional content is Double dipping into the customers wallet.
    You’re just going to piss off or turn off potential new customers.”

    I was a beta tester at iracing … the system is ahhhhh ok.

    Product excellent. Tracks and cars excellent. Physics ..whacky at times.

    Five
    years still no pit crew. Get to top ranks to see still same horrid
    racers promoted, all officiated by a guy is as dull as a meat hammer.

    This
    posted article is a excellent example of Iracing plan, they do stuff
    but have no idea why. Iracing has never been clear on anything they do.
    - Lincoln Minor Owns

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.dolard Benjamin Dolard

    700 bucks ? Really ? …

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

    Other than your suggested use of an expletive, this has to be the post of the year.

  • TIBS

    so if you have a computer (obviously) and an internet connection (obviously), you can get iracing. so why go through STEAM??? if you want iracing and you’re paying attention, go straight to the iracing website and sign up (no STEAM required).

  • Donnie Witt

    That’s for sure , Amen .

  • Metal Machine

    I posted on iRacing blog (constructive negative comment). They didn’t posted it. So i am assuming, iRacing developers are felling the presure. Steam voting site is also under big attack’s.

  • Anonymous

    What about auto shows? They went to both the Detroit auto show and PAX East.

  • Anonymous

    Me I am pretty much your typical Sim Racer who suffers from talking out the rear end syndrome every once in a while.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe this is a side effect of not being able to drive from the seat of our pants.

  • celticfang

    Steam (and Origin and Gamestop and Gamefly and WoW and every other online service you can name) has the same clause in the EULA. It’s an industry standard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Garrett/100001190916179 Jason Garrett

    Yeah, but really now that I own everything, race regularly, and take advantage of sales and discounts, my costs are next to nothing. I earn $45 a year just by racing so that pays for my subscription fee when they run the Black Friday sale. Then I take full advantage when they offer credit bonuses (like $100 in credits when you purchase $75). Then with the 25% discount I get, any new content usually, only ends up costing me about $5-7 when you take into account the credit bonuses.

    So as long as I stick around for a while, which I will, it’s not too bad at all IMO.

    But, again, not everyone has to get 100% content, if you just want content from a couple series you could spend much less, or some people really end up enjoying the lower level series and spend very little.

  • Arie Beuker, de

    Even though i do not like a certain hobby, i would never say “it’s laughable”. It’s a slap in the face of people who go to great lengths. We all have our hobbies and obsessions, if someone told you” you have a laughable need for this hobby”, you would not like it either.

  • Arie Beuker, de

    True, but if you still have the DVD or EXE, they can claim whatever they want. On Steam, they can really close your access.

  • Anonymous

    If there’s an online account, having a DVD doesn’t matter. They’re going to invalidate the license code inside the sleeve and the DVD is nothing but an expensive coaster at that point.

  • Chris Allen

    I have to say same here, too expensive to own. And when you quit, there
    is a new level of frustration. Because I am no longer paying, I can no
    longer watch any of my replays that I was paying for when I made them.
    All those replays, gone until I pay again. This….has kept me away
    from iRacing. When you quit paying… iRacing takes EVERYTHING away
    from you. Years of replays, years I paid for content, hundreds of dollars ($600+) but when you quit you have NOTHING. Which has frustrated me more, and kept me away for over the last year. This is a piece of iRacing I feel is broken…I should be able to at least watch my replays!

  • Arie Beuker, de

    Correct, but you must admit that validating online is not as bad as having to be online 24/7.
    And, still, most games still work without a internet connection or internet activation.
    And…. those things can be hacked so to speak. Sims 3 was a good example.

  • Anonymous

    Right, but you should be comparing iRacing to MMOs. It’s multiplayer only, the only way to use the game is to be online. It isn’t Sim City where they took a single player game and force you to be online, it’s multiplayer.

  • Arie Beuker, de

    Im on the same level as you here. But i can still play Rfactor even when offline. Single player is not as nice, but i still have a possibility. And apart from that, its possible to host a racelist without the centralised server.

  • Anonymous

    Right, and I think it’s obvious iRacing isn’t your cup of tea. That’s OK. My original comment only meant to point out that this online only aspect is already present in iRacing, and thus Steam would not make anything ‘worse’ than it already is.

  • João Dário

    you can try it for a month for 5 dollars(3 euros) but ye its expensive in a long term

  • Alan Dallas

    Yes, I may have been a bit blunt. Which someone saw fit to Remove my post.
    I’ll leave it at this. “Truth hurts.” :)

  • Alan Dallas

    Not to mention you are starting to see there little Racing Man logo plastered all over real Race cars in multiple series(SCCA Pirelli World Challenge, Grand-Am Continental Tire Challenge just to name a few smaller ones). It’s starting to sicken me the amount of Greed the iRacing Devs have gotten too. I’m all for making money, sure, but their business practices leave a sour taste in my and many others mouths.

  • Alan Dallas

    Sounds like someone consistently got their ass handed to them in Planetside 2 so he rage quit. I have well over 600 hours of play time in PS2. I have only spent a whole whopping $39 on it so far(I purchased Alpha Squad package during Beta) and I have a blast every night I play. They got some money from me to show my support and that is all they get from me. The game is doing nothing but growing and earning SOE loads of cash. People inevitably buy Station Cash when they can afford it. Improvements to the game are uploaded Bi-Weekly. The Devs actually communicate with the player base on a daily basis(not just some mouth piece, but actual coders and content creators). The game is just barely over 6 months old since it’s release on Nov 20, 2012 and It’s player base already far exceeds what iRacing could ever DREAM of achieving. Why? Free to play. iRacing could do F2P along side paid subscription, SOE does it. They could run race series for non-Subscribers so the elitists that do subscribe could be left alone in their Paid to Race Series.

    The goal is to attract more customers. Not shun them for making them pay twice. Not everyone can afford what they’re asking. Make the Subcriptions to iRacing optional and I would consider playing again. Well maybe, the physics engine and lighting engine still needs a lot of work IMHO.

  • Alan Dallas

    I think you mean an ‘International Thing’. ;)

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