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The sounds gonna haunt me until its released

:/ I’ve never seen a loose tire launch 100′+ in the air.

I think people look at this mod with rose tinted glasses because of nostalgia for the cars that it contains. I’ve yet to see anything impressive from a bunch of ripped off GTL models and a poorly executed conversion. Should have just left GTL alone.

I recently had to fix the Mini Coopers from 1.X for a league. The standards in rF are not written down. But if you bother to take the time and examine what ISI shipped, you clearly can see conventions. Historix does some things that defy all logic. It is no wonder the mod had issues with DX9 (try and alt+tab once).

If I were Historix I would scale back, pick one car, and make it awesome. Don’t forget to run a trace and examine the log file before you ship your mod out (There are glaring issues in the Mini engine ini). Here’s a list of things that you may find helpful to make this mod worthy of the cars it represents:
You do not need to write out every word for the description of a gmt in the name. 1310AM_ChaA.gmt is more than sufficient to describe the 1310austin_mini_chassis_style_A.gmt. Same goes for textures. The entire mod is extremely nested. With so many sub folders, it is just asking for trouble. Why bother to have 1310 tires when none of the cars use them? The gearbox should be using bevel. All of your ratios are not historically accurate. Just because it is older doesn’t mean the car is garbage. The gearbox is syncro’d 2-4. I’m not sure why the big delays in shifting. I’ve yet to find any document that shows a 1310 in the Morris Cooper S. HP numbers are almost 2x higher than they should be. Engine has huge problems with life expectancy mainly because of the use of a small stepping number for the halving of the life (both temp and rpm). Hopefully this will be read as a critique. I could have just posted GARBAGE! ;)

Good luck.

Good luck lordpantsington,i love all your mods.

your sincerely Admirer.

Gonzas – HistorX team.

Gonzas: Good luck lordpantsington,i love all your mods.your sincerely Admirer.Gonzas – HistorX team.

You guys just don’t accept any word of criticism, do you?

Uh, I dont think its criticism thats the problem, its probably the obvious attempts at being an internet tough guy that rubs gonzas the wrong way.

Calling HistorX a bunch of ripped off GTL models clearly shows that his lordship has misplaced his marbles. Either that or he is using a gamepad and believes real feel is a form of massage.

Anyway, to those who plan to watch the video, skip to the latter part if crashes bore you, there are some new sounds by wolferl at the end. Mustang 429 with optional super tuned engine + Ferrari P330.

oh!! nice to see you again NEChris!

he have acepted tons of criticism and mostly it have come from you NEChris.

what lordpantsington said is not constructive critics or just criticism is another thing caused when you talk about things you dont know.

he should take a look to the trace and search form something usefull, he shoud ask SIMBIN why they named their gmt files as they wanted to name them.
ALT+TAB bug is fixed since more than a year , but we are still working to give you a definetively close and rounded product.

bla bla blaaa…..”"I recently had to fix the Mini Coopers from 1.X for a league. The standards in rF are not written down. But if you bother to take the time and examine what ISI shipped, you clearly can see conventions. Historix does some things that defy all logic. It is no wonder the mod had issues with DX9 (try and alt+tab once).”" bla bla blaaaa

please learn a bit before talking about the work of others , is not enouhg to read some phrases here and there and talk about something you dont know.

The standards in rF…

when i read something like “”bunch of ripped off GTL models and a poorly executed conversion”" i know that i should do.. see , smile and shut up , but im really tired of this.

and i hope that Yoshimura (the author of the physics) will not loose his time with people like you that talk (a lot of words of criticism) about things that (again) you dont know.

sorry for my Enlgish and my rude language.

Regards.

I suppose the team would accept the “criticism” above faster if reasonable arguments (and there are some of them over here) were not mixed with some top-grade bull$hit.

“:/ I’ve never seen a loose tire launch 100′+ in the air”? Neither did I, but this is how crash physics/animation works in all ISI based games and I challenge you to find any rF mod that does it better. Sure, sometimes it looks ridiculous, sure I wouldn’t put it in the movie myself, but what’s the point of bashing this particular mod for a limitation of a whole sim?

“I’ve yet to find any document that shows a 1310 in the Morris Cooper S”. That’s right, you won’t find any, because indeed, the 1275 was the biggest one put in these boxes. But this particular Mini series in the mod is called FICTIONAL, so what the hell did you expect? You want 1275 Mini with rating closer to historical 120BHP, choose one of the TC-65 series, problem solved. Sure they still are a bit more powerful than real figures from the past, but 15BHP difference is not “twice higher than should be” (besides, finding a restored car that currently runs in FIA Historic TC class and does not develop more BHP than it did 40 years ago is lost case – they’re all a bit tuned up anyway).

Get off that high horse, mate, filter really important issues from stupid ones and I suppose the guys at HistoriX will take a look at them.

Cheers – Art

If the HistorX mod is bad, what else will be the rest of the mods? a virus?, chemical weapons?, crapware?

stabiz, your opinion is welcome, but what does attacking me personally have anything to do with this mod? Yes the RR cam in the latter part of the video has glorious sound. The intent of my post was not to stroke egos. I could care less that you know the proper way to rub Gonzas.

Gonzas:
You haven’t seen my mods. I tend to finish things before they get released publicly or not release them at all.

Perhaps if you hadn’t stuck your fingers in your ears and blahed through the post you may have found something constructive? I understand you could already be on the defensive from something I was not a part of. Your loss. In the end you’ve chosen the emotion to react with. It may have been the statement about poor execution and stolen models that set you off. Are the models not created by Simbin? If the models aren’t ripped from GTL, why is the justification for the gmt names to go ask Simbin why they named their files this way? Did I not find an error in EVERY facet of the mini that I bothered to look at?

rFactor is NOT A SIMBIN game. Why would anyone use Simbin conventions? Just because it works does not mean it is correct. Just because you can is no justification for doing. I too can eventually drive a nail with a wrench. Clearly the hammer is the correct tool for the job.

Good to hear Alt+Tab is fixed.

I don’t understand your comment about reading phrases. If you are suggesting I am rehashing arguments I’ve read elsewhere, you are mistaken.

What is so wrong with GTL’s physics that they need to be redone?

Your mind is rather closed to any suggestion that you are going about things incorrectly. Good luck building a mod with those blinders on.

Im just happy if they include a logical UI so i dont have to fix it myself

A couple of nice quotes, for your entertainment. Pick them at your will:

“Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies.”
Robert Kennedy

“Never explain – your friends do not need it and your opponents will not believe you anyway.” Elbert Hubbard

;)

Regards

In reply to Art

We agree on something, I surely wouldn’t make a video to show off my damage model including such inaccuracies.

I’ve only seen you refer to it as fictional.

If it is fictional:

Why bother to rip off and stick a Simbin mini body on it?
Why call it mini anything?
Why limit it to “1310 like” engine?
Why not stick F1 engines in them?
Why lock the gear ratios and delay the shifting?

There is simply no point to mimic anything if this is fictional. Therefore because this is mimicking something it is not fictional.

Quite honestly I think the fictional argument is compensation for Historical inaccuracies. If you are going to build a Mini mod, BUILD A MINI MOD! If you don’t have information look harder.

I’ll never stop pursuing a high standard. I don’t understand why mod makers would sell themselves short. It’s not like they have a deadline to meet, or a budget that runs out. So what if it take 14 years to build a 1 model series.

GeraArg:
You are getting warmer. There are few mod that are actually as polished as they should be. Most seem to fall short of even the standard of the fictitious cars that ship with rF.

jeez, I wish people would stop using the word ‘loose’ when they mean ‘lose’. If English is your first language you should be ashamed.
Also “I could care less” is incorrect. If you ‘could’ care less then why don’t you ? Isn’t that the point ? Seems to me, what you mean is, you “couldn’t care less” (as in “I couldn’t care any less than I do now”).
Lesson over.

lordp, as for your initial post, whether your ramblings are right or wrong, do you think this is the correct place to post all that stuff ?
Seems to me, that initial post of yours would have been better put in a private email to the HistorX team.
But instead you decided to air all your brilliant research under a thread for a teaser video.
HistorX has been out for ages so why are we only hearing from you now ? V2.0 is on the horizon and suddenly you blather on about how inaccurate the Mini is.
Oh big deal. You could probably pick similar holes in every single mod.
If you strive for perfection then do that for yourself and don’t expect it from others as if its some sort of right you have.

lordpantsington:If it is fictional:Why bother to rip off and stick a Simbin mini body on it?
Why call it mini anything?
Why limit it to “1310 like” engine?
Why not stick F1 engines in them?

That makes no sense at all. Why do off at the deep end like that ? Seems to me the only thing they made fictional is the engine size. So if I put a non stock engine into my real car should I then stick another body on it or instead put an F1 engine in ? Totally irrelevant.

I’ll never stop pursuing a high standard.I don’t understand why mod makers would sell themselves short.

So how exactly are you actively pursing these high standards ? Posting threads in mod topics and telling them how crap they are and to buck up their ideas ? Stroking your ego by sending out emails to these mod teams in the vain hope that they will see you as some sort of guiding light ?
When was it that you appointed yourself this pursuer of high standards in mods ?

Let us see your high standards and see if you can set some sort of quality benchmark for the rest to follow. I don’t think its wise to preach that kind of stuff to people who are giving you this stuff for free. You either like it or you don’t. If you don’t and you think you can help improve it, there are ways and means to do that rather than airing the dirty laundry underneath a teaser video.

Might want to go back to school before teaching. Loose, as in not connected. ROFL

Obviously yes, I thought this was an appropriate place for discussion. If you put your art in a gallery, you can bet people are going to critique it. There isn’t any need to get defensive if people don’t like your art. As a gallery, I thought this place would be more open minded. Yes, email would have been better, but I couldn’t find an email address. I’m not even sure who HistoriX is. I found the forum a month back. But I’m not about to go signing up for a forum I’m going to post once at. Home forums usually contain the bitchiest of defensive fanboys.

You haven’t heard from me until now because I only recently obtained part of this mod. I can only poke at the Minis because that is all I have. You are correct, every mod will have its issues. As a modder I would want every one of those issues brought to my attention. Perhaps I would learn something I was unaware of.

It is either right or wrong. The level of wrong does not make a difference when you have concrete numbers for what is right. 1310 with high HP is wrong for this car, period or otherwise. How is there any choice to look at it differently? Either it is fantasy or it is a MCS. It cannot be both. If you are just making things up why is there need to link it to Mini anything? Why bastardize a classic? It isn’t just engine size. Transmission ratios are all incorrect. Caster and Camber range are also slightly askew. The more I looked at things the more I found. I had to stop looking.

If you care enough about your own work to dig further, the FIA Homologation forms for 1965/70 were easily found online. Mini “Special Tuning” bulletins are also scattered on the web. It didn’t take me long to find the actual teeth counts for all the gear options in the Mini.

I was told to get off a high horse. To me this meant lowering a standard of what should be acceptable quality for mods. It is simply something I won’t do (with my own art/mods). I will never understand modders that think otherwise. The lowest acceptable standard should be the highest quality. I currently view Enduracers 1.4 as closest to the minimum standard we should all be shooting for.

lordpantsington: Might want to go back to school before teaching.Loose, as in not connected.

Hmmm I`ll see you in class then, because if you had read the thread you might have picked up on the fact I was referring to this..

Gonzas: …i hope that Yoshimura (the author of the physics) will not loose his time with people like you that talk…

lordpantsington: Obviously yes, I thought this was an appropriate place for discussion.If you put your art in a gallery, you can bet people are going to critique it.There isn’t any need to get defensive if people don’t like your art.As a gallery, I thought this place would be more open minded.Yes, email would have been better, but I couldn’t find an email address.I’m not even sure who HistoriX is.

OK, I’m going to raise a point in your favour here.. Why don’t mod makers have contact email address that are easily accessible?
It is true that when you download a mod, it is very rare to see a website link or an email address for the mod makers.
There have been a few times where I’ve seen some really nice cars in mods and wanted to contact the mod makers to ask if I may render one or more of their cars.
Then I’m stuck because I cannot find any contact address or even website for them. Other times there is a website but no contact emails on the website. I really don’t understand that. Maybe they don’t want floods of emails asking for this, that and the other and to just keep mod discussion to a public forum, I dunno. But yes, I’m with you on that one about not finding an email.
On the other side, HistorX has been in the ‘gallery’ for a long time now so you’re a bit late with it now with V2.0 on the horizon. I doubt they are going to make any changes to V1.01 especially if that critique has only come from one person.

1310 with high HP is wrong for this car, period or otherwise.How is there any choice to look at it differently?Either it is fantasy or it is a MCS.It cannot be both.If you are just making things up why is there need to link it to Mini anything?Why bastardize a classic?

You seem to be a bit of a Mini fan so maybe this is where all the venom is coming from but I don’t agree with the term ‘fantasy’. They can tune the engines of their mod however they want. Why ? Because they can and they want to. It’s up to you to like or dislike it and decide whether or not to play it accordingly. I don’t know if criticising them in the way you did is going to get anywhere.
Again, if a guy puts a tuned up engine into his car, his car doesn’t become ‘fantasy and he certainly doesn’t think.. “Hmmm why would I even call my car a Mini any more ?”. Still, you clearly have other opinions on that but you’re in a minority I would imagine and I don’t see HistorX changing their mod.

I was told to get off a high horse.To me this meant lowering a standard of what should be acceptable quality for mods.It is simply something I won’t do (with my own art/mods).

With your own work, whatever that is or has been because you haven’t told us yet what you specifically have produced, that attitude is fine. Indeed, we would all like quality mods for our sims. But it is completely logical that mods are going to be of varying standards for whatever sim you can name.
It’s ok to demand it of yourself but unless you’re buying these mods, I don’t think you are in a position to demand it of others. All we can do is hope the quality is good, offer constructive criticism if necessary and decide from there whether we like it enough to have fun with it.
I seriously don’t think you define a line of what is and isn’t acceptable regarding mod quality. There are too many differing opinons out there and you cannot satisfy them all.

I currently view Enduracers 1.4 as closest to the minimum standard we should all be shooting for.

Really? Then you are in for a few disappointments. Maybe if you lowered your expectations and realise that mod teams vary in members, skill, available resources etc. you might start to appreciate at least the passion that must go into making the mods in the first place whatever their final quality.
Enduracers has its flaws too by the way. I’ve made no secret of what I think of their lower class cars physics. Not all, but a couple of them have some strange behaviour. No mod is perfect and flaws will be found in all.
Sometimes you have to filter those out and just get down and enjoy the driving.

I wonder if Rantam & Co. have ever been to a classic racing event like Le Mans Classic, Silverstone Classic or Spa 6 Hours? If they have ever seen and heard the cars on track? And if they have talked with the drivers about how the cars drive and feel? And if they have contact with the engineering companies who prepare the cars to get the real specs and settings?

fisrt of all i want to say sorry to Montoya and Stabiz for the use of this topic for this things instead of talk about the great video
F1Racer, this is not my mother language (that’s clear xD) , to be just understable is more that enough for me, my next goal will be to not to give kicks to the dictionary one time and another.

but i have readed you again lordpantsington and im not happy yet.

your opinion is as good as any other and even more if you are an experienced modder , but, if are going to talk about the conversion of the GTL cars , your opinion is welcomed for me , (as im the one who have convert them) i did some things wrong and i fixed a lot of thing in the GTL cars of the mod since the release of the 1.01 version
but when you talk about the whole mod as a “bunch of ripped off GTL models and a poorly executed conversion” just because you have see one of the models , you are talking about the work of a guy who have made 70 soundsets, you are talking about the work of 3 physics guys that jave made anoher 70 sets of physics , another one did the damage files , tons of skins that were done by many skinners , UI , etc etc etc

and that is something that i am going neither to tolerate nor to support

you should be honest with yourself and say to that guys of the league , hey , you need GTL to play this, you all have GTL so why dont you play the leage with the Minis inside GTL , and maybe they will say you why.
and im really interested to see what you have fixed in the minis , if there was somethig to fix.

ok , now that we know that you can smell all the purity of the correct naming in rFactor, i have to ask you please to help us in the naming of some objects who have to be added to the bunch of ripped off GTL models and a poorly executed conversion.

zagato_body_a.gmt

gto_carbody_a.gmt

mustang350_CHASSIS_A.gmt

mustang390_CHASSIS_A.gmt

904_body_a.gmt

A310_CHASIS_a_.GMT

bmw_2002_carbody_A.gmt

M69coupe_CHASSIS.gmt

FERARRI_DINO_CHASSIS_a_.GMT

GTB4_Body.gmt

AH_xxxxxx_CHASSIS_A.GMT

330_chassis.gmt

porsche_xxx_chassis_a

chevy_xxxxxx_chassis_a

Ford_xxxxxxxx_chassis_a

porsche_XXXX_chassis_a

we will not talk about modifications in more GTL cars, and another 10 muscle cars that we will ask you later for the gmt’s name…

and i wonder if NEChris have enough fruit in his diet.

Regards.

One thing I forgot to say… Great video :) For me, HistorX was always and still is one of THE top mods ever converted/made for rFactor and if V2.0 tops that, then we are in for a treat.

I’m not qualified enough to judge if the Mini’s physics are wrong or not but it drives great and all the times I’ve driven it, especially in a field full if just Mini’s, it has been a blast.

Peter Manton, Brian Foley, Phil Barnes, Cyril Nancarrow, Graeme Bishop,Robin Bessant, Ross Ambrose, Roger Brownrigg,

some drivers of official mini/morris 1310 cooper in 1969 Australian Touring Car Championship.

at least 30000 units of the 1310 cc were built and solded and there are still some jewels out there.

just search a bit before talking (AGAIN) about things you dont know.

well NEChris…

some teammates have been there, recording sounds (if you have not noticed it) , taking pics, talking with people and mostly enjoying, but no, i have never been there , i have been many times in the 6 hours of the Jarama.

http://picasaweb.google.es/countach/6HorasDelJaramaHistoricos#slideshow/

the sound , the smell of the fuel and the cars are the same , have you ever been here?

no mather if you love us or hate us ,or if we love or hate you, is not a problem for me to say that CSGT is a good team and a great mod, you have done it good and free and i have enjoy with it a lot, and if i see something wrong i will not go for all the forums to say HEYYY!!, i think that you have never seen me doing that, i will only cone to your forum / topic / thread / videos to say thanks.
thanks is just that thanks for mod that i can play or not to play it.

Gonzas: Peter Manton, Brian Foley, Phil Barnes, Cyril Nancarrow, Graeme Bishop,Robin Bessant, Ross Ambrose, Roger Brownrigg,
some drivers of official mini/morris 1310 cooper in 1969 Australian Touring Car Championship.at least 30000 units of the 1310 cc were built and solded and there are still some jewels out there.just search a bit before talking (AGAIN) about things you dont know.

oops, did pantsy just get pwned ?

Perhaps modders don’t list contact information to make them harder for lawyers to find? We all know it takes one C&D letter to shut down a mod. There is a very fine line to be tread.

I could drive the Enduracers GT2 Porsche all day. Some of those other cars I did not care for. I haven’t driven anything of that nature IRL, so maybe you have some insight I do not. All I know is what I have is dreamy to drive simulated. Some of the HP and weight numbers are incorrect for “Endu” models. My arguments will apply there. It’s still not correct until the numbers match. I’m disappointed in the oversight. Then again, perhaps they have information I don’t?

I’m not a hardcore mini fan as much as I am a purest. Yes, HistoriX can do whatever it pleases, but why bother to ground that in reality? With a name like HistoriX you would think something historically accurate would be the goal. I view the “It’s fantasy!” excuse as a cop out for not doing the research to properly replicate a classic. Yes, there are minis with Honda moto engines stuffed in them. Yes, those make tremendous HP vs the originals. Yes, they have the original bodywork. Yes, that probably means the gear ratios are altered. Should those be listed in a Touring Car 1965 category? Absolutely not. Does it make any sense to include that in a Historical Mod? Not to me.

If Historix can make models, why the need to take anything from Simbin?

I was thinking about this thread earlier today and it is clear to me that I am biased against conversions. Especially biased against conversions that carry over conventions from the original games. It is obvious what games these conversions come from. If it weren’t “poorly executed” an outside modder would not be able to tell it was a conversion. I would respect someone’s mod more if they made their own models (even if those turn out to be a lower quality then something swiped from some companies retail game).

Quality is relative, yes. But there is nothing preventing a modder from holding off releasing a mod until they’ve made it perfect.

Gonzas:
The video holds it’s own. If VirtualR didn’t want comments, they’d lock out the comments. You cannot control people’s reaction to your work. There is no need to apologize for things you can’t control. Bummer to have grammar brought against you. Yes, it is unfair to generalize the entirety of your mod based on one or two makes. Would it help any if retract my original statement and restate as the Minis seem like a poorly executed conversion?

I don’t understand the list of gmt names nor the comments. If you are finally creating your own models, congrats! I hope you can eventually ween yourself from everything SimBin.

My purpose in posting was to gain HistoriX attention (Done!) and post the inaccuracies of what I’ve found. (Done!) I would have left it at that, but there were some questions into my perspective.

Finally some facts and figures. This is how you debate!

Gonzas, source link please?

Here is where I found my data:

http://mk1-performance-conversions.co.uk/mk1_the_bmc_archive.htm
http://forum.minicooper.org/forumdisplay.php?f=95

The only mention I could find of 1310 was here:

http://www.carpictures.com/vehicle/03D0C191615793.html

Note the HP as ~~100 not 157. IIRC the HP number I had for the 1275 was ~~75.

Look at the tail lights. Your model is clearly a MKI, got any 1310 numbers on a ’65. I still doubt they exist.

Isn’t your mod data sitting in a folder named “HISTORICAL FIA GT” ?

The Class limit then was 1300cc.
Mini Cooper S Special Tuning Bulletin (Issue 5) warns that the 1275cc engine should not be bored more than +0.020″ to achieve 1293cc which would be under the limit. STB Issue 7 gives another bore guide +0.040″ = 1311cc (No mention of class limit). I would believe something changed in the FIA regs allowing for more bore. This would match up to your 1969 (MK II) numbers.

(Issue 7) Valve crash speed is listed @ 8400rpm. Check your lifetime numbers I thought the base rpm for damage was low. Combining that with the stepping you had the ramp up was astronomical. You had roughly 3 hrs of engine life. I did some testing, and found that it took less then a second to blow through that life at the values you had. We tried to run a league, and 50% of the participants suffered engine failure. There were a few instances where a bump in the track would lift the front wheels off the ground sending the rpms sky high, causing instant engine death. The other insta-death instances were caused by downshifts.

F1Racer:
oops, did pantsy just get pwned ?

For one who likes to correct grammar, you should be the last to use pwned (which isn’t a word BTW). Historically, 1310 is still incorrect.

Threads like this just make me smile

Have a nice day! Specially you NEChris ;)

Cheers

lordpantsington: But there is nothing preventing a modder from holding off releasing a mod until they’ve made it perfect.

Well thats the issue right there. What’s perfect ? If all modders held off until their mod was perfect, rFactor would still only have it’s stock content today.
You can’t achieve perfect. You do it up until you are satisfied with the result, then release. Some mod teams are harder to satisfy than others and thus we have differences in the quality of mods. Sometimes its down to resources too. For example, capturing or obtaining sounds for a particular racing series will be more difficult for one mod than another. There a a lot of variables like that which contribute to the eventual quality of a mod.

As for the numbers being right, well who’s to say that the gmotor engine has is 100% spot on ? That is to say, if you input all the correct numbers for a given vehicle does it then, by default, perform exactly as it’s real world counterpart ? Or do you actually sometimes have to fudge the numbers to make up for a less than perfect game engine ?

Btw, a quick google search does indeed show there was a 1310 Mini so it’s not a fantasy car at all.

Gonzas:
Bummer to have grammar brought against you.

Hah, yeah like that was the biggest criticism he had to deal with in this thread :)

OK lets get into this again (Warning: anyone who doesn’t want to read about spelling and the English language, stop reading now – you have been warned so don’t moan later.) ….

Gonzas has a valid reason for not getting the difference between ‘loose’ and ‘lose’. While he clearly can get by in English, it is obviously not his mother tongue. But there are an unbelievable amount of people who trawl the net who seem to have caught this misspelling disease who do have English as their first language and there is no excuse for it imo.

I guess, like yourself, I am seeking a higher quality in peoples spellings (you with the mods) so feel the need to point it out in much the same way as you have done with the Mini issue you have.
Maybe we are not a breed apart after all ;)

Seems to me a few people on the net got it wrong and for some reason loads of people are following the trend and getting it wrong. Same with ‘break’ and ‘brake’ and way back when people used to think ‘virii’ was the plural of virus (that got to the point where a major AV company wrote ‘virii’ on their advert ! – They soon corrected it to ‘viruses’ and thankfully you don’t see ‘virii’ written so much now.

I can’t count the times I’ve seen ‘brake/break’ on forums etc. Nowhere near as much as ‘loose’ instead of ‘lose’ though.
Mainly people putting ‘break’ instead of ‘brake’ and even sometimes the other way around, ‘He ended up braking the suspension.’ argh! :)

But when you see that mistake on F1 news websites as I have a couple of times, it really makes you wonder where things are headed.
I did happen to specify that people with English as their first language have no excuse so I wasn’t having a go at Gonzas, he was there as an example.
Anyway I only bring it up because its fast becoming a pet hate of mine to see these same words misspelled over and over again from the internet population everywhere you go. Problem with ‘loose/lose’ and ‘break/brake’ is that a spelling checker will not help as all 4 are valid words.
Anyway if my droning on about it even helps 1 person correct themselves, my mission is complete, hehe :)

Meh, go ahed and right ore spell wot yoo want. Im not reely bovvered.

Hi again lordpantsington!

as i said i’m sure that you fix it fine, and the people of the league enjoy with it.

im not a physics expert , so i guess that what you said could be right.
but i also guess that if you do a wrong downshifting no matter the valve crash, the fuel cut or the engine governor , you can be lucky and lock the tires (something strange in a FWD if you are braking) you can be even more lucky if the engine stalls or in most of the cases the engine will be damaged.

there are 1310 minis out there MKI and MKII versions , i said you an example of where to look for, but there are more , try to find them anyway to avoid controversy we put them inside a “fictional” class, but you can continue talking about that or about the naming of the objects , folders of sub-folders inside the mod structure, i think is more up to us than up to you, but do and ask what you want.

the problem at least for me is not “what” you said is more “how” and maybe “when”
we have recieved a lot of constructive critics we have also recieved a lot of friendly bug reports and we have recieved a lot of your kind of words.
we knew about the mini problems ,Ferrari and Cobra daytona problems , Alpine problems and a lot more because all was allready said and waaaay long time ago.
with that we have done a lot of things, we have fixed a lot of graphycal errors , (at least we tried) , all sounds of the mod have been fixed, upgraded or redone, we have added more sounds. we started long time ago to fix the problems in the physics, but finally all will be redone , Niels is taking care of the physics of all cars in the mod, (with that all should be said) with the help of yoshimura in the setups , numbers, geometries and all those things, Yutja is Redoing the AI and damage files will be updated, the current beta version is clean of unused physics and text files (like the .tbc file you finded). more skins have been added and a lot more that is going to be added like the Targa Florio ones.
a good number of new schrath made cars a lot more.

we was in a good “peace status” in the last months , showing our new things and then you come waking up all our old phantoms, and i guess that my rude and “defensive way” reaction is due to that. i will keep my fingers crossed because i know that very soon will arrive the “re-born of the thing” (the posts about the DVD-check).

Regards.

test

I don’t know what is going on but I’ve attempted to post more support. This keeps telling me I already posted it, yet it doesn’t show up.

Or we would only have kick-ass mods! Certainly there wouldn’t be any leftovers in mods from F1C/GTL/GTR. When no one is getting paid from any of this, why would you rush the work to release?

Interesting you bring up resources. I will agree, quality is highly dependent upon resources. The resource I hold is information. It was clear to me that the information I had is not what HistoriX had. Yes, you can bore an engine to whatever you want.

To this day FIA specs limit the class to 1300cc.
Conclusion:
Engine is incorrectly labeled.

This mod sits in a “Historical FIA GT” folder. There is a slight contradiction there.

I just did a quick google, even vintage series running in this day and age are limited to 1000, 1300, and 1600 cc categories.

http://www.historicmotorracingnews.com/3.0.html

These should be helpful:

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/CA8E9CF74DD7C0C5C12574A300588BDE/$FILE/Hist_App_J_65_Art_253_a.pdf

http://fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAHistoricRacingChampionships.aspx

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/whistj?open&lang=a

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/916A5D02505BE4CBC125739A003CB227/$FILE/HomologatedForms-SortedByMake&Model.pdf

Why won’t my posts show up?

maybe there is a spam filter installed

Well, first of all, English is not my native tongue…

Lordpansington has some valid points of course unfortunately he presented them in a not-so-nice manner…

Yes, the Minis might not be 100% accurate. Unfortunately the SIM we work with does not allow to import real life figures and let the car behave in a realistic way…believe me we tried that and so have many other and it just simply does not work. You have to fudge numbers and values in order to recreate a realistic driving feel of the car.

This goes along the lines with the engine life you talked about… we reduced the engine life or better increased the engine wear at high revs, to force people not to always shift beyond the red line and “care” about how the shift. It is not the best way to go, this is true, but to me, better than having the ability to constantly overrev…. we all hope rF2 will have better damage simulation, along with fluids and alike….

with the first releaser of the mod we aimed for the recreation of the FIA Historic series…vintage cars with rules that prevent modern technologies, still modern materials, internal engine parts, modern bushes and the like are all allowed and give the cars a somewhat “modern” character….there was no aim to recreate the feel of driving the cars “back in the golden years”….

We hear your suggestions and tips and go through them like we do with any other critic or praise… Version 2.0 is on its way and what we heard from people testing it is a step in the right direction…yes it might have flaws again but also as a modder you do have some kind of pressure to release things, believe me….

BTW, about the inability to contact us….there are many sites we are registered at outside our homeforum, most of these sites have the option to send PMs…. About the legal stuff: we wrote SIMBIN that we plan to release such a MOD with the DVD check. They did not reply, though, but no answer is also an answer…and I guess people who could care about that problem are in the know and do not bother….

take care and be a little more respectful next time

lordpantsington:
For one who likes to correct grammar, you should be the last to use pwned (which isn’t a word BTW).Historically, 1310 is still incorrect.

Who said I like to correct grammar ? I take no pleasure in it at all.
Anyway you are grasping at straws here because ‘pwned’ is a term used on the internet with quite some regularity. It may not be a word that’s currently in the dictionary, but I have used the term correctly and in context. Nor have I misspelled it even though it is in itself a misspelling, it is the term that people are familiar with. Hardly the same thing as actually spelling a word wrong through lack of education or ignorance.

As for your continuing trivial ramblings regarding the Mini’s. It’s getting far too anal now. Sit back and look at yourself. All this research you’ve done and for what ? To get HistorX to change their mod or just to validate yourself along with some ego stroking on your part ?
Drive it or don’t drive it. If you can, why not change the Mini’s physics files yourself so that they are accurate in your eyes then you can sit and drive them happily all day. You might choose to release your great Mini physics adjustments to the world too so that everyone can enjoy the new super accurate Mini’s. It’s what we’re all craving for.

lordpantsington: Why won’t my posts show up?

i can not see one of my comments if i’m not logged , when i’m logged those comment says “Your comment is awaiting moderation” maybe because you and me are not behaving like adult people. and that is ok for me , i’m the first one who have said things that i should not say.

i really feel bad about this because of Stabiz.

Regards.

lordpantsington: Why won’t my posts show up?

Because posts with multiple links are stopped by the spam filter and require manual moderation, sorry.

Ahh understood about the links/spam filter. Glad it got through eventually. Those links had some good meat to them.

Gonzas, I see nothing wrong with what either of us had posted. Sure it may have gotten a little heated and a few jabs were thrown here and there but this did not devolve into Flame War 2010. At least no one arbitrarily suggested we have a race-off about it.

Yes, F1Racer, it is getting nit-pickey, but isn’t that the point? Shouldn’t you put your blood sweat and tears into the work? The details are what shows how much you put into it. The details will always show through.

The research was mostly done before this post came about. When something intrigues me, I study it. Research is learning which is fun for me. Learning is never a waste. I did change parts of the physics for our league, and a Complete Mini mod had crossed my mind. In the end I was so frustrated with things being slightly off that I only finished what I needed to let the league run smoothly. I currently have no intent on going back to it. I shudder at the thought. I’d have to say some of that frustration was still present when I originally posted.

I can only assume Yutja is part of the mod team. Yes my opening words were harsh, they were indicative of opinion. I understand that things in the suspension need to be fudged in order to work, but engine values? I guess I’ll find out when I get to that bit in my mod. I also hope rF2 supports a better mechanical damage system with liquids and voltage coming into play.

As far as contact goes, might I suggest some sort of “contact us” email address link on bottom your main forum page?

Delving deeper into the grey bits:

FIA ran classes 1000 to 1300cc. It was that way back then, it still is how historical race car are classed. Group 1 cars were limited to +0.6 mm bore increase (~~1293), Group 2 +1.2mm (~~1310). There is a rule that no car should be placed into a higher class by reboring. This is what blocked the boring up to 1310 in FIA. If you read my original post I’ve only stated I could not find the 1310. My doubting they exist was bait for someone to bring some information.

In Australia, 1965-onward, class regulations were different. Check this out:

http://www.appendixj.org.au/rules.html

So ATCC, Post ’65, Appendix J, Class Nc are where your 1310s fit into History.

Lastly here is a copy of my what I’ve done I spent the most time on gears, I think you will find the transitions better. I had two copies of FIA Homologation, one from 65 the other an update from 70.

Possibly the engine life things are a touch too conservative. That is with purpose, it is no fun for a league to have random blow-ups thin half the field in a 30 minute race. Use what you want, all I ask is for a credit mention if you do.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K3JJI6MY

The HDV and ENGINE.INI are DESTRUCTIVE, extract to your install at your own risk!!!! WILL CAUSE MISMATCHES.

thanks , i guess.. but i have been testing mini physics for the last 3 years , i have tested physics of all colours , now the mini physics are done , closed and covered by Niels Niels Heusinkveld’s honey ,so we will sleep in peace, tonight is time for testing a couple of new physics for some GTC-65 cars!.

anyway maybe you want to take a “look” at the new physics

Niels Vs Rantam in Cortina betatesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpOLm0e0Lw

Niels, Falcon Nurburgring sideways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFdD8N_nHfE&feature=related

Regards.

Gonzas:i really feel bad about this because of Stabiz.Regards.

Hehe, dont feel bad, mate. I am eating popcorn.

@lordpantsington

First of all, yes, Yutja is part of HistorX mod team. He’s now in charge of AI, but he was the guy in charge of physics when all this thing started years a go.

Second, if you wanted to contact us i think it’s quite easy to do. Google “HistorX” or “historic gt & Touring cars” and the first option will be always our official site.

Anyway, you already know it, so you can contact us there using posts, PM, emails, IM or whatever you consider necesary, with the exception of phone calls and home visits (at least for the moment) :)

We’re also present in other rF & simracing related community sites, as rFactorcentral, RSC, (we even had our own section there before the ‘old’ RSC dissapeared), etc.

So, nobody can say is not easy to share your comments with us ;)

Cheers

ps. English is not my mother language. Just in the case

Just caught the video.

Great stuff.

I have no care for exact historical accuracy. (I wouldn’t know anyway, having never driven every Real car that has been Simmed.)

These cars are just a year or so (With overlaps before my favourite Era).

Superb all the same. Looking forward to D/L.