I am drawing a conclusion from all the comments that it isn’t really and issue if you are in a race type situation but it is if you are just stomping on the brakes to see how quick you can stop.

Punko353:.When I first get on track I do feel the lack of braking, but after I run a lap I have no problems locking up all 4 wheels.

I use a G25, and even taking all things into consideration I do find the breaks a little weak. And I cannot lock my breaks even after 10 laps…

Punko353: I am wondering if this has anything to do with the wheel/pedal manufacture

Hi Bob, i have a stock DFP and to me the brakes are fully ok.

I noticed the brakes temps, running at Daytona RC, are perfect after the first lap.
Looking to the brake temps in the HUD, i appreciated the finesse of the brakes behaviour, good job by Shawn!
Also, I can lock the brakes if i brake too hard.

I guess that, more than the wheel/pedal manifacture, the different sensitivity of the users can be related with the setting they use in the ingame controls panel.

BTW, an HoF mod for sure! :)

The mod works really well with RealFeel. Great work guys!

Punko353: I am wondering if this has anything to do with the wheel/pedal manufacture.Shawn uses high end pedals (not sure what brand) and I have a G25. When I first get on track I do feel the lack of braking, but after I run a lap I have no problems locking up all 4 wheels.Others have said the brakes are just fine while some have said they don’t work at all…I would be interested to hear what wheel/pedal combo you guys have. I don’t know what else to say…I have talked to Shawn and X-ter (one of the main beta testers) and we seem to be in agreement that there is nothing wrong… If we listen to all the comments on the forums it seems about split 50/50 with guys that love it and guys that hate it… Maybe that is telling me we got it right!So, those of you that hate it, let us know what wheel/pedals you have. Maybe that is the issue…

Nevermind :)

RG
RSDG

Shawn uses high end pedals (not sure what brand) and I have a G25.

When I first get on track I do feel the lack of braking, but after I run a lap I have no problems locking up all 4 wheels.

Others have said the brakes are just fine while some have said they don’t work at all…

I would be interested to hear what wheel/pedal combo you guys have.

I don’t know what else to say…

I have talked to Shawn and X-ter (one of the main beta testers) and we seem to be in agreement that there is nothing wrong…

If we listen to all the comments on the forums it seems about split 50/50 with guys that love it and guys that hate it…

Maybe that is telling me we got it right!

So, those of you that hate it, let us know what wheel/pedals you have. Maybe that is the issue…

To be honest I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing. Running costs have seen LMP fields take a beating in the US, and we’ve seen the European series shrink in numbers too. With the diesel prototypes largely unavailable to privateers, I don’t think anyone could make the case that ALMS/LMES series has offered too much strength in depth for while, mostly due to the breaks on fuel tank size/air restrictors etc handed to the diesel teams after they lobbied the ACO.

It’s no surprise that a team could run a season of DP for half of what the guys in LMES/ALMS pay.

I got the chance to 20 or so laps with this mod earlier today, I must say, the brakes don’t respond well to the modern stand on the middle pedal and turn the wheel approach that ABS/traction control equipped LMP’s seem happy enough with. I’m not the quickest, far from it, but the DP’s in this mod are fabulous drive. You have to actually drive the beasts, balance them and slide them a little. Love it.

fpol: Sad state of affairs when the GT2 category is nearly as fast as so called prototypes! Though never there in person, I recall about 4 years ago watching my DVR’d Mid ohio races (Rolex and ALMS) back to back one Sunday. When veiwing the races on different weekends, I sometimes don’t notice the difference, but back to back it was stunning to see *just* how much faster (an exotic) the ALMS cars were….Biggest kick was watching how the Rolex GT cars barely looked faster than some big spender’s car at a trackday/club race, and the ALMS GT2s were *clearly* something special (though no – not as fast as the DPs as the first guy stated).

Very true. Which is why Grand-Am has 18-20 competitive Daytona Prototype cars, while the ALMS had THREE competitive cars in each prototype class all last season. They can build a successful DP team for half the cost of an ALMS team.

EDIT: and the racing is better. :P

Seems like a great mod…have to find time to give it a go.

scca1981:
2006 Mid-Ohio Qualifying times –
ALMS GT1 Corvette – 1:18.880
ALMS GT2 Porsche – 1:22.638Daytona Prototype – 1:20.202
GT Class – 1:28.071:)I was at both of these races that year.If I remember correctly qualifying conditions were close to the same.I’ll have to double check.

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holy_sword: this mod gets 5 mics, best weight transfer on rfactor, not even close. My top 3 physics on rfactor, my top 3 not yours.1.Grand Slam 2006
2.Epsilon Euskadi
3.MMG

1.Grand Slam 2006
2.Epsilon Euskadi
3.MMG

Car Specifications:

Car: Suntrust Ford Dallara DP-04

Chassis: Hybrid steel and aluminum

Engine: Roush Yates Racing-built 5.0-litre (305-cubic-inch) Ford V-8 (500 hp at 7,000 rpm)

Engine Management: Bosch MS 4.3 Motronic engine management system; Bosch spark plugs

Gearbox: X-trac 386 5-speed

Steering: Electric power-assisted rack and pinion

Suspension: Twin wishbones and pushrods

Brakes: Brembo calipers and iron rotors

Weight/Length/Width/Height: 2,275 pounds / 14.8 feet (177.5 inches) / 6.5 feet (78.5 inches) / 3.6 feet (43.1 inches)

Wheels: BBS 3-piece aluminum (Front – 12.5 inches x 18 inches; Rear – 13 inches x 18 inches)

Tires: Pirelli (Front – 25.5 x 11.5 x 18; Rear – 28.0 x 12.5 x 18)

raisen1964: I think some of the negative comments here are based on a misconception about the Daytona prototype class. In life these cars are actually a couple of seconds slower than the ALMS/LMS/FIA GT GT2 category.

2006 Mid-Ohio Qualifying times –

ALMS GT1 Corvette – 1:18.880
ALMS GT2 Porsche – 1:22.638

Daytona Prototype – 1:20.202
GT Class – 1:28.071

:)

I was at both of these races that year. If I remember correctly qualifying conditions were close to the same. I’ll have to double check.

what setting are you using for degrees of rotation in your wingman profiler?

In rFactor, what are your wheel settings for FFB and other adjustments?

is anyone using realfeel? what are your realfeel settings?

thanks guys.. just trying to get the best out of this mod

raisen1964: I think some of the negative comments here are based on a misconception about the Daytona prototype class. In life these cars are actually a couple of seconds slower than the ALMS/LMS/FIA GT GT2 category. They’re constructed from a selection of essentially off the shelf components and can in no way be compared with the LMP 1/LMP 2 classes. They don’t stack in comparison with the more expensive LMP’s and nor should they.Were you to bolt a set of carbon brakes to one of these monsters, you’re very quickly going to learn that the relatively simple aerodynamics are going to limit their usage. You simply couldn’t use F1 style hammering of the middle pedal, the aerodynamics of the car, and relatively hard tyres compared to LMP1/2 being insufficient to prevent vast lockups. Anyone that has seen these cars race on ESPN/Motors or Channel 5 in the UK can testify that the overwhelming impression of the dynamics of the cars, is that they lack sophistication in comparison with massively more expensive cousins in the FIA/ACO sanctioned series, and this is reflected in their relative speed. A extensive piece in the UK’s Motorsport magazine ran a substantial comparison piece on the relative virtues of the two differing approaches to car design a year or two ago.Similarly the GT class running alongside these cars is somewhat different, and again slower and less technically sophisticated. Don’t mistake that lack of sophistication for cars that are not a challenge though. They are entirely suitable for racing, and the restricive tech rules have made putting together a competitive team cheaper and easier than various LMS series, resulting in no one team having the kind of advantage enjoyed by the LMS diesel LMP1 teams in recent years.
I enjoy LMP1/2 and the FIA spec GT classes, but I must say, the racing in the Rolex Grand Am is excellent. Were I to visit the USA again, they’d be right there on my list, along with the Rolex Historix, LMS or Nascar (another series with relatively restricted tech rules) round.
Personally, I suspect that the dev team here have got it about right.

Totaly right! cant brake the same as GT1 for example i took this mod out aroudn s’stone and noticed right away i had to brake where i would in a FIA GT3 car.
Thats the only thing you can compare these cars perfomrance too is an FIA GT3 car!

I think the mod is fantastic, Great job and thanks alot!