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For ^&^&^*%$# sake. Let them give some information about the status of the game and when it will be released. Let them work on the game as much as possible without wasting time on bullshit movies.

/rant

I will be buying it and I’m looking forward to it.

I thought Dale Earnhart Jr. was in the iRacing camp…?

its all about money. dale jr. would be supporting simbin if they paid him.

Those who don’t follow NASCAR have to understand that Dale Jr. is by far the most popular NASCAR driver and is the series poster boy because everybody knows him.

And as such, his involved in countless marketing efforts so it’s no surprise to see him in this video.

Since he has become almost completely irrelevant on track (he hasn’t won a race for almost two years despite driving for the series’ best and championship-winning team), he can fully focusing on promoting the sports as a whole

This isn’t like PC modding were every new car model is showed.

PD already showed a whole new damage model to select journalists late last year, but not even a screenshot has been shown in public yet.

Key word here: GAME. You’ll hear them say repeatedly in this video. GT5 may be the best driving game ever, but iRacing is a sim. It’s in a whole different class.

That’s how I’m looking at it, anyway. I played through all of GT5:Prologue and even did some multiplayer races (though it was pretty difficult to get a race going, esp. with more than 1 or 2 other cars). It was fun and I’m looking forward to getting GT5 as a laid-back low-pressure fun way to drive in a huge variety of car/track combinations. But when you get down to it, it’s a game. I use the same TV and G25 wheel to race in iRacing, and it just feels like a totally different experience.

Yes, there are a lot of similarities. They overlap. They make similar claims. I think GT5 is trying to do everything they can to stay a game (and hence rake in the $$$) while trying to move closer to sim territory. But if anyone thinks GT5 and iRacing are really in the same class after trying out both of them… there’s probably something wrong there.

I would LOVE to hear statements on GT5 vs. iRacing esp. in the context of NASCAR from any of the involved parties (NASCAR rep, GT5 rep, Dale Jr., and heck, an iRacing rep too) but I kinda doubt any of them would ever go there.

Wow, I guess everyone who has been crying about pit crew animations, will be all over this thing, pitting every lap!

no worries nascar is known for its cautions plus and adding those precautionary cautions. you will be pitting atleast 30 times in one race.

i wish people would stop comparing everything to iracing

mike84: its all about money. dale jr. would be supporting simbin if they paid him.

It’s not all about money with Dale Jr. and iRacing. He races many times per week in iRacing and is among the leaders in the worldwide pro series on ovals.

He raced Papyrus’ NASCAR games long before he ever hooked up with iRacing.

rFactorModsAreVaporware: i wish people would stop comparing everything to iracing

Why? It’s the benchmark for racing sims. Every game should aspire to be as realistic as iRacing, and it will be a modern miracle if GT 5 even comes close.

I decided that I had Netkar Pro as my benchmark, Paul. Saying that iRacing is the true benchmark offenses me.

Why do you guys try to make it look like your favourite games (even if sims, they are ALL games, made for fun) are the only true benchmark.

I know I could bring some guys here to say that rFactor is the true benchmark.

Or Race’07′s Formula Master is the most real-feel car in the whole simracing world, I know some people also with that opinion.

It’s not because you think something that it is true for everyone else.

GT 5 Nascar will be fun, I’m sure of that.

iRacing Nascar is also fun, I’m sure of that also.

Why do you have to compare? It’s your own subjectivity that you offer us, guys. Not a truth about which one everybody should prefer because you do prefer it.

Sorry for this post. Delete if needed.

Keep it cool guys, its just a game. Never seen cars slide around like they do in this trailer on the real oval.

Jr. drives iRacing, not GT5. ;)

Except the better action on track and the shaders I think it won’t be a harm to iRacing. GT5 NASCAR won’t be better than EAs NASCAR titles.

GT5 looks so good I have a hard time telling if GT5 videos are game or real life. I’ll be getting a new PS3 for this one.

Montoya: Since he has become almost completely irrelevant on track (he hasn’t won a race for almost two years despite driving for the series’ best and championship-winning team), he can fully focusing on promoting the sports as a whole

Man – you’re a truly brave individual to make a comment like that. Jr fans will hunt you to the end of the earth to seek revenge. Don’t you know Hendricks is purposely giving him inferior equipment to make him look bad in the company of Johnson, Gordon, and Martin ;).

..man, these things always turn into ‘simwars’ don’t they? yawn…

Paul Kelly:
Why? It’s the benchmark for racing sims. Every game should aspire to be as realistic as iRacing, and it will be a modern miracle if GT 5 even comes close.

The definition of realistic has changed over the years, it used to only be about the driving model, but as the field has closed in this regard, it seems you need to encompass everything iRacing does to be classed as a sim.

Personally I am only interested in the driving experience, and only in cars that inspire me.

I found the GT5 TT driving experience at least a match for rFactor and GTR2, so when I factor in the car/track content and general push for a feature packed, photo realistic title, GT5 ticks all of the boxes for me.

Others are happier driving small single seaters or spec cars, replicating a race weekend, that’s not for me.

The biggest issue for GT5′s NASCAR will be 16 cars. NASCAR doesn’t run 16 car races. iRacing can have up to 55 cars online depending on the pit stalls offered in real life (ie Indianapolis has 55) NASCAR tracks are going to be 43 or higher.

The other issue will be the wreckfests you will very likely see online in GT5 NASCAR. Every NASCAR driver will tell you they hate driving the COT, because it’s a very difficult car to drive. Some like the challenge, but it’s a handful. It’s a heavy 850 HP car with basically zero downforce. In iRacing the COT is an A License car, so you don’t get Rookies driving in the COT series.

In GT5 you’ll get kids firing up the COT to run races online. Unless they make it very very easy to drive (ie unrealistic) then the online races will be a mess. GT5 could make the car very realistic, but they don’t have a licensing system to keep 12 year old Rookies from driving it. Look out for some nasty online wreckfests.

Offline might be fun, but again it’s 16 cars. :-(

And Dale Earnhardt Jr, was careful to say, “They’re the best at what they do.”. He didn’t define, “What they do”. If it’s make awesome console games with terrific graphics and atmosphere then he’s right on the money. I believe he chose his words carefully. Everyone wins! No question it’s good for NASCAR to have PD expose more drivers to NASCAR. :-)

Montoya: Those who don’t follow NASCAR have to understand that Dale Jr. is by far the most popular NASCAR driver and is the series poster boy because everybody knows him.

Not exactly true Rob! The first time I heard of this guy was in his father’s funeral and outside the US hes a nobody so it would make more sense worldwide to promote Nascar with Nigel Mansell than this guy outside the US. Why not Montoya? There we have a perfect option!

ral42: if anyone thinks GT5 and iRacing are really in the same class after trying out both of them…there’s probably something wrong there.

man what are you? some black magic Phd or what? How do you know that when the game is yet to be released!
I see lots of rich kids from iRacing forums making their jump in every article out here to add nothing to it but enthrone their king. Guess you guys are running out of self-esteem and I’m soooo sorry for that!

felipe: man what are you? some black magic Phd or what? How do you know that when the game is yet to be released!I see lots of rich kids from iRacing forums making their jump in every article out here to add nothing to it but enthrone their king. Guess you guys are running out of self-esteem and I’m soooo sorry for that!

Felipe, I’m an iRacer and 51 years old, so no rich kid here. Although, I can afford $7 a month for my iRacing hobby.

I don’t know how you guys afford $1,000 a year for PS3 games though. Man, you must be rich! ;-)

Jack B:
Felipe, I’m an iRacer and 51 years old, so no rich kid here.Although, I can afford $7 a month for my iRacing hobby.I don’t know how you guys afford $1,000 a year for PS3 games though.Man, you must be rich! ;-)

My bad Jack I’ll take care next time not to say that I spend that money on average 18 games so it’s not a big deal I also can trade them in or just sell them so it’s not all losses.

felipe:
man what are you? some black magic Phd or what? How do you know that when the game is yet to be released!
I see lots of rich kids from iRacing forums making their jump in every article out here to add nothing to it but enthrone their king. Guess you guys are running out of self-esteem and I’m soooo sorry for that!

Maybe you missed the earlier part of my post where I said I played through all of GT5:Prologue. I know the full GT5 is going to be different and include a huge amount more content, but I think it’s fair to say that GT5:Prologue is likely to be fairly representative of the GT5 experience. I’m not an expert in the land of GT though, as GT5:Prologue was my first experience with it.

You must’ve also missed the parts where I said I enjoyed GT5:Prologue and plan to buy GT5. Does something being in a class need to imply a superior/inferior relationship to you? I think of it like mixed class racing. What one class lacks in horsepower may be made up for by superior handling or something else. There are so many tradeoffs to make. I think we’re incredibly fortunate to have the high quality choices we have today.

felipe:
…so it would make more sense worldwide to promote Nascar with Nigel Mansell than this guy outside the US. Why not Montoya? There we have a perfect option!

I don’t get that either. What credibility would Nigel have promoting Cup? Don’t forget, GT5 sells a huge % of it’s product here in the U.S…presumably the key market for the NASCAR content anyway.

Anyway – the *average* non simracing NASCAR fan (just like average fan of any mass appeal series) would probably rather muck around with NASCAR in GT5 than in iRacing…I don’t drive ovals or any stockcar content but i hear it’s extremely challenging in iRacing – I suspect the GT5 content would have greater appeal for that casual fan. More accessible too.

for the typical $50-60 that this game will go for, its a bargin regardless if your not into it. .With all the cars, things you can do, series you can race, it should be good.

ral42:
Maybe you missed the earlier part of my post where I said I played through all of GT5:Prologue.I know the full GT5 is going to be different and include a huge amount more content, but I think it’s fair to say that GT5:Prologue is likely to be fairly representative of the GT5 experience.I’m not an expert in the land of GT though, as GT5:Prologue was my first experience with it.You must’ve also missed the parts where I said I enjoyed GT5:Prologue and plan to buy GT5.Does something being in a class need to imply a superior/inferior relationship to you?I think of it like mixed class racing.What one class lacks in horsepower may be made up for by superior handling or something else.There are so many tradeoffs to make.I think we’re incredibly fortunate to have the high quality choices we have today.

I don’t know if you’ve tried the GT Academy TT (demo) because the physics in the demo has changed quite a bit from Prologue. Although it was based around a single car- a production version and a tuned version of the Nissan 370Z, the demo gave a pretty apparent indication of where GT5 is heading (in term of physics and FFB). Perhaps not quite iRacing-like but just like iRacing there’s that “rubbery” feel in the FFB that was clearly missing from Prologue.

mikem:
I don’t know if you’ve tried the GT Academy TT (demo) because the physics in the demo has changed quite a bit from Prologue.Although it was based around a single car- a production version and a tuned version of the Nissan 370Z, the demo gave a pretty apparent indication of where GT5 is heading (in term of physics and FFB).Perhaps not quite iRacing-like but just like iRacing there’s that “rubbery” feel in the FFB that was clearly missing from Prologue.

Nope, haven’t tried it yet – wasn’t sure if it was worth trying. I do remember the FFB in Prologue being noticeably smooth and lifeless though. It’ll be interesting to see how it differs. Maybe I’ll give this demo a shot, thanks.

ral42:
Nope, haven’t tried it yet – wasn’t sure if it was worth trying.I do remember the FFB in Prologue being noticeably smooth and lifeless though.It’ll be interesting to see how it differs.Maybe I’ll give this demo a shot, thanks.

then how can you say anything about it??? mind you the academy version isn’t the final version so even if you played it you have no way to say iRacing is better. Once you have played the RETAIL version of GT5 you can have you own opinion about it!
BUT don’t come here in a GT5 article bashing the game with NOTHING whatsoever!

felipe:
then how can you say anything about it??? mind you the academy version isn’t the final version so even if you played it you have no way to say iRacing is better. Once you have played the RETAIL version of GT5 you can have you own opinion about it!
BUT don’t come here in a GT5 article bashing the game with NOTHING whatsoever!

Felipe, you tell him! Next thing you know someone will come into an iRacing thread and bash it. Glad there are people like you on the forums to make sure this type of thing doesn’t happen. :-)

Jack B:
Felipe, you tell him!Next thing you know someone will come into an iRacing thread and bash it.Glad there are people like you on the forums to make sure this type of thing doesn’t happen.:-)

Hey Jack! Difference I’ve played iRacing when they stole 1 buck from me with that paypal thing right.

Trailer Released >>>> hahahahaha !!!!! ( IDIOTS !!!!! )

Let’s not forget that iRacing isn’t a finished product either, it’s always getting updated!

I drive (in no particular order) netKar PRO, iRacing, GT5 (Proglogue/TT), rFactor. And they all have a different things going for them.

I was fortunate enough to make it to the national GT Academy finals and the physics have improved a lot in the looking back at GT:P. It’s just as challenging to drive the car at 100% as it is to do in any other game or sim.

I don’t give a rats ass on which system or what game/sim I’m racing. I just want to race… and win off course.

Let’s get along shall we…Group hug!

isn’t this about GT5 adding Nascar to the game?.. how did iRacing get involved in the topic.?

i gues when someone see something that is going to kick ass, it’s time to bring others in to compare.?

iRacing is good, it has it’s bad points also…everything has bad points..

but GT5 quality graphics are 2nd to none… this will set the benchmark for years, i could give 2 shits on how they drive…this will be an eye candy orgasam..

felipe:
I see lots of rich kids from iRacing forums making their jump in every article out here to add nothing to it but enthrone their king.

Wait wait… Rich kids? Didn’t you just say you spent $1000 a year on games? Yet your labeling iRacing drivers as rich kids? I spend around 200 – 250 a year on iRacing. I wouldn’t label the average iRacing driver as a kid let alone rich.

Man I hate it when people use the rich word as if it is evil to work hard and be successful.

Slimjim: i could give 2 shits on how they drive…this will be an eye candy orgasam..

Yes, Gran Turismo has always been a game for nerds who jack off because a 1989 1.3 Civic is IN THE GAME as well as 18 versions of 180SX. I might consider buying a PS3 and GT5 when it will come out but it scares me just how much of a mall ninja JDM masturbator you have to be to be in the target audience… oh look, that irrelevant kei car with that special Wild Cabbage aftermarket suspension bushings is IN THE GAME!!!

Im sorry but this video is utterly gay, ‘Im amazed how big the circuit is and how modern the facilities are! wooow!’

Jack B: The biggest issue for GT5’s NASCAR will be 16 cars. NASCAR doesn’t run 16 car races. iRacing can have up to 55 cars online depending on the pit stalls offered in real life (ie Indianapolis has 55) NASCAR tracks are going to be 43 or higher.

the biggest problem with GT5 is that there is 1000 cars and atleast 16 of them are nascar’s

ermax18:
Wait wait… Rich kids? Didn’t you just say you spent $1000 a year on games? Yet your labeling iRacing drivers as rich kids? I spend around 200 – 250 a year on iRacing. I wouldn’t label the average iRacing driver as a kid let alone rich.Man I hate it when people use the rich word as if it is evil to work hard and be successful.

I doubt he will explain that, so let me do it, please. He thinks it’s OK to spend $1000 for 18 games because, oh my God, this is a huge amount of games. And since there is no piracy yet for PS3 he stands with no choice. But, come on, spending $200 in a single game while there are many others similar sims where you can get everyhing for free?? Oh no, that’s unacceptable, that makes you a rich spoiled kid

He probably “owns” a rFactor cracked version stuffed with mods and tracks and eagerly waits for evey other game to be converted, like he stated so many times in the F1 2010 thread. To make it simple, he thinks like that: PC sim racing is the free/piracy paradise and spending some bucks on it is stupid and makes you a rich kid

Felipe, please don’t ever stop writing here. You are an amusement to all of us

1) I didn’t bash the game. I just said it’s a game. wtf?
2) Do you even know what GT5:Prologue is?

Grow up.

felipe:
then how can you say anything about it??? mind you the academy version isn’t the final version so even if you played it you have no way to say iRacing is better. Once you have played the RETAIL version of GT5 you can have you own opinion about it!
BUT don’t come here in a GT5 article bashing the game with NOTHING whatsoever!

Don’t know why everybody is praising GT5 graphics.
It’s not bad BUT not that great. It’s just like a cartoon. Everything is shiny and polish even the track…
The GT5 TT demo was lacking AA. I stopped playing it because of the blinking fences.
Man that’s awfull.
Really hope they will resolve this issue for the release.

Back to topic, NASCAR is a way to sell more in US, that’s it. So Dale Jr is very revelant. Too bad there will be only 12 cars on a track. Nascar is all about running with 42 other racers.

Oh and Felipe, don’t forget all the DLC you’ll have to buy for GT5 and won’t be able to resell ;)

I personally got tired of driving in circles on race tracks. Unless some one can come up with some thing that’s very inventively different and good, I’d rather drive some thing like TDU. Or a little lesser because again their circuit based. Dirt2, Grid, and Shift. They all brought new innovation to driving and racing gaming. And their all GAMES, no matter what their price. I’m looking forward too TDU2. For the most fun. If the only way you get fun is, if your beating some one else up on the track. Then by all means do iRacing. A lot of work, effort, money, time and in the end boring.

Howie47, I think you need some “racing” rather then hotlaping. Join a league or get iRacing and do some real racing. There is nothing better then some real competition. Going around the track with AI doesn’t cut it.

This is after all “VirtualR” as in Virtual Racing. Not saying it wouldn’t be fun to drive around freely and run down pedestrians.. this just isn’t really the place for that sort of game.

NicoloPicolo: Don’t know why everybody is praising GT5 graphics.
It’s not bad BUT not that great. It’s just like a cartoon. Everything is shiny and polish even the track…
The GT5 TT demo was lacking AA. I stopped playing it because of the blinking fences.
Man that’s awfull.
Really hope they will resolve this issue for the release.Back to topic, NASCAR is a way to sell more in US, that’s it. So Dale Jr is very revelant. Too bad there will be only 12 cars on a track. Nascar is all about running with 42 other racers.Oh and Felipe, don’t forget all the DLC you’ll have to buy for GT5 and won’t be able to resell ;)

The GT5TT demo was a cut down 200MB download, the graphics weren’t even upto GT5P’s standards.

It wasn’t covered on this website but screenshots of the revised track textures have been released, and they are far superior to anything seen before.

http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5s-improved-textures-flying-debris/

A lot of people enjoy racing the AI, because you can select a setting where you “win”. Racing online against others is much tougher. No two ways around it, 50% of the online drivers finish in the bottom half of each race.

Online racing can be a wake up call as to how good you really are. It’s a bummer to half the online racers, who finish at the back of the pack each race. AI can always be beaten and let’s face it, for some people winning is fun and losing is not.

Other people like AI, because it’s predictable. They typically do the same thing or very similar things most of the time. Online racers aren’t like that.

Still others like to imagine they are racing Mansel or Montoya or Schumacher or whomever. That’s fun for a little while, but the downsides of AI get pretty old, pretty quick for me.

Any game with AI, I crank to the max. If I’m beating the AI, that sucks and it’s no fun winning all the time. May as well be smiling at myself in the mirror. Online is a different animal. You never know if the drivers around you are passive or aggressive, and when you finish the race there is a better feeling of accomplishment.

Good points Jack. You see people join leagues expecting to run up front all the time. They do a few races and then stop showing up for races. I personally enjoy the challenge. If I am not up front then I damn sure will be back the next week to try again. :)

iRacing realism + GT5 graphics = magic

ral42:
Nope, haven’t tried it yet – wasn’t sure if it was worth trying.I do remember the FFB in Prologue being noticeably smooth and lifeless though.It’ll be interesting to see how it differs.Maybe I’ll give this demo a shot, thanks.

I’m afraid the demo is no longer available and even if you have it on your PS3, you can no longer access the demo since it was disabled in the middle of February. Hopefully, there’ll be another one or better still, the GT5 proper.

Gamersyde uploaded a high quality 60 fps although off-screen video on their site- yes, it’s Tokyo R246 but with the Motul-Autech GT500 GTR (avec cockpit view) and also the Nordschleife with the road version of the same car: http://www.gamersyde.com/news_gran_turismo_5_videos-9032_en.html

Here’s the same video but on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW8Q1wbjJns

Jack B: A lot of people enjoy racing the AI, because you can select a setting where you “win”.Racing online against others is much tougher.

Not becoming of you Jack…a simplistic, generalized and purely one sided expression of why people may race offline. Since early December, I haven’t raced online, which to me means iRacing (the only place I’d race online, because of thier excellent arrive and drive racing format).

By your narrow definition, I decided to scurry back to offline racing to stroke my ego and rack up wins. Odd, since I can – and have – set my AI to be every bit as fast as the splits my last Irating of 2300 sometimes placed me in. My last iRAcing race was a lowly 1700 SOF and the competition was no where as challenging as the races I am *guaranteed* to have offline where i keep my AI strength well over 100%).

Perhaps if iRacing had a mixed chassis class – especially with GT racers (oh like an ALMS GT2 or FIA class as represented in GTR) – I’d never get the yearning for some offline multi chassis/multi class racing. It ain’t about ‘beating’ the AI and not wanting a challenge.

truth:

Felipe, please don’t ever stop writing here. You are an amusement to all of us

So what’s wrong in playing a pirated version? don’t you play over 100 tracks pirated to rFactor, GTR 2, Race(GTR Evo, STCC, Race On) too? I do own this games and it may amaze you but I payed for them all and I did gladly just like I’ll do when GT5 comes out.
P.S. you can play PS3 pirated games but that’s a long story although I would never mod my PS3!

Jack B: A lot of people enjoy racing the AI, because you can select a setting where you “win”.Racing online against others is much tougher.No two ways around it, 50% of the online drivers finish in the bottom half of each race.Online racing can be a wake up call as to how good you really are.It’s a bummer to half the online racers, who finish at the back of the pack each race.AI can always be beaten and let’s face it, for some people winning is fun and losing is not.Other people like AI, because it’s predictable.They typically do the same thing or very similar things most of the time.Online racers aren’t like that.Still others like to imagine they are racing Mansel or Montoya or Schumacher or whomever.That’s fun for a little while, but the downsides of AI get pretty old, pretty quick for me.

what’s the point in watering down the AI? I play in rFactor with AI strenght at 110% i.e. maximum and in all other sims too in max!

fpol: Not becoming of you Jack…a simplistic, generalized and purely one sided expression of why people may race offline. Since early December, I haven’t raced online, which to me means iRacing (the only place I’d race online, because of thier excellent arrive and drive racing format). By your narrow definition, I decided to scurry back to offline racing to stroke my ego and rack up wins. Odd, since I can – and have – set my AI to be every bit as fast as the splits my last Irating of 2300 sometimes placed me in. My last iRAcing race was a lowly 1700 SOF and the competition was no where as challenging as the races I am *guaranteed* to have offline where i keep my AI strength well over 100%).Perhaps if iRacing had a mixed chassis class – especially with GT racers (oh like an ALMS GT2 or FIA class as represented in GTR) – I’d never get the yearning for some offline multi chassis/multi class racing. It ain’t about ‘beating’ the AI and not wanting a challenge.

FPol,

Wow. Sensitive much?

Why would you take me out of context. I gave 3 possible reasons why people may enjoy offline AI racing not one. Why did you take only one and say I was saying it was the “only” reason people enjoy AI racing???????????????????????????????????????????

And if you actually read the quote I didn’t say “ALL” people I said, “A lot of people”. How is “A lot of people” automatically YOU? And why is that particular reason out of 3 I gave the one you figured I meant was 100% YOU????????

Were you drinking tonight or just not reading very carefully?

Not cool. :-(

felipe:
what’s the point in watering down the AI? I play in rFactor with AI strenght at 110% i.e. maximum and in all other sims too in max!

And I can’t beat AI at 95%, so…? And trust me, running at the back even with ‘real’ people is just as boring as hotlapping but a lot more stressful: should I watch the road ahead or the mirror, in case some ‘ace’ comes flying from behind me and throws a fit afterwards?
One very important reason for offline racing for me is that I can do it anytime I feel like it. No pressure of being right on time, stuff like connection failures, ringing phones, adjusting my chair whenever, etc.

felipe, not all of us run pirated tracks. Most simracers own a copy of every sim… including a sub to iRacing so converted tracks are necessarily pirated. I think truth hit the nail on your head.

ermax18: felipe, not all of us run pirated tracks. Most simracers own a copy of every sim… including a sub to iRacing so converted tracks are necessarily pirated. I think truth hit the nail on your head.

when I said pirated I didn’t mean conversions I meant unlicensed tracks legally that falls in piracy! I think the word pirated hit the nail on your head.

When I was racing with leagues, (years ago) I could easily stay in the top 25% and often challenge the leader. My life is just to unstructured to allocate specific time to race. iRacing is to expensive for my budget. Besides, I’d rather use my free time having as purist fun as possible. Which doesn’t include putting more stress on my mind (concentration). As is needed with the likes of iRacing.
If I could jump into a real car and race it with not fear of injury. That would be fun, it is more physical, compared to Sim’s mostly mental. iRacing is nothing in comparison to reality. IMHO

Even running simple autocross is 1000% more fun than simracing, trust me. All you need is a 20-year old hatchback and a helmet.

Jack B:
Were you drinking tonight or just not reading very carefully?Not cool.:-(

I don’t drink.

I also re read, and have the same opinion, unlike your typical arguments, usually quite balanced, every one of your options basically made racing the AI just a simplistic option for people unaware of or not seeking a real challenge.

For sure “competent” humans create the ultimate challenge – but ‘competent’ humans online are not a given. I’ve certainly encountered my fair share of online drivers who made the AI look like Aryton Senna.

Personally, I’d *rather* race a human any day of the week, but I also enjoy various forms of racing that I cannot find online (well not in iRacing, which for me is the only valid option), so offline becomes a nice variation. Properly managed with stringent rules (very limited extra testing, real world setup change times, no resets or do-overs, no mulligans or ‘quick repairs’ for wrecking in practice and qual, and an AI set to not be a pushover) you *can* create a very challenging offline experience.

Jack B:
FPol,
Wow.Sensitive much?Why would you take me out of context.I gave 3 possible reasons why people may enjoy offline AI racing not one.Why did you take only one and say I was saying it was the “only” reason people enjoy AI racing???????????????????????????????????????????And if you actually read the quote I didn’t say “ALL” people I said, “A lot of people”.How is “A lot of people” automatically YOU?And why is that particular reason out of 3 I gave the one you figured I meant was 100% YOU????????Were you drinking tonight or just not reading very carefully?Not cool.:-(

Funny you call him sensitive. Everytime you sense any iRacing negativity you come crying ‘forum troll!’ and post monty python videos. We know what you meant and how you feel about AI. All the back peddling makes you look silly. Not everyone that disagrees with you is drinking either. I’d rather race an AI than an A hole.