Lincoln Miner: I doubt anyone watching this would say the driver in the video is a talented sim driver, so is anyone else noticing the same thing I am.Too bad they didn’t use the highest level driving physics with all aids off.Once you start to spin, recovering is very difficult and requires quick reflexes and perfect countersteer, but this driver recovers from a bunch of spins in the video.Some are very far gone, yet he pulls it back.Way past the optimum slip angles.Given how he sets up turns and how bad his lines and overall driving are, no way this driver should be recovering from any spins, except in the rare case.I don’t speak german, but does anyone know what driver setting he was using?It seemed incredibly forgiving.

If it’s the video at the top of the page- I do know that he’s just a journalist who got a preview of the demo, and that he was using a controller and his best time is a full 13 seconds slower (although he most have cut a corner somewhere hence the red mark on the timing) than the current fastest time is by a Portuguese guy using an english PSN account who did it using a G25 wheel.

Too bad they didn’t use the highest level driving physics with all aids off.

Once you start to spin, recovering is very difficult and requires quick reflexes and perfect countersteer, but this driver recovers from a bunch of spins in the video. Some are very far gone, yet he pulls it back. Way past the optimum slip angles. Given how he sets up turns and how bad his lines and overall driving are, no way this driver should be recovering from any spins, except in the rare case.

I don’t speak german, but does anyone know what driver setting he was using? It seemed incredibly forgiving.

F1Racer: This does look really good. ok so the drivers wheel movements aren’t as animated as they should be in that he only turns the wheel a small amount.But it all looks good in the cockpit and the cars behaviour on track looks very believable as does the tyre squeal.I wish PC’s had this game.I would love this but I wont buy a PS3 to play it :(

They (Polyphony) had a full rotation steering (with overlapping hands and all) in one of GT preview version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DELTox3pwXo

You’ll see in around the 30s’ mark.

I’m pretty sure it was removed because it looks crappy. But those who knows racing, know that you don’t need the cross-arm manouver. Hopefully the proper steering will make into the final game.

Also this is one of the first GT5 videos with clear sounds at last! The 370Z sounds a bit too synthesized at times but there are also moments of lifelike impression at some spots, like the final drive-by. The sounds are also very airy, but that might be road noise.

The turbo sound is the same monotonous loud hiss as what’s been done before, nothing innovative there, not to worry on the stock model though.

I wish PC’s had this game. I would love this but I wont buy a PS3 to play it :(

F1Racer:
Both those links are identical.But the video looks great.

I goofed:

370Z with Road Tires: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8V2lyJ27Vg

Thanks.

mikem: :Nissan 370Z with road tires: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XvksBfIG8kTuned 370Z with racing tires: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XvksBfIG8k

Both those links are identical. But the video looks great.

Nissan 370Z with road tires: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XvksBfIG8k

Tuned 370Z with racing tires: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XvksBfIG8k

You get the corresponding tires for the two different version of 370Z. Unlike Prologue, you only get to race in the Pro physics and with only sequential shifting. Your best times from both the tuned and the road version are added together to give you the total time.

Here’s a quick slideshow from Taxigamer’s capture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/85327101@N00/sets/72157622878137125/show/

captain_underpants: Platform wars are about as worthwhile as arguing over who has the sweetest smelling shit. You pay your money, you makes your choice. No need to get all proselytising about it.

- Sim racing

- Silent Hunter series

- Creative Assembly titles

- Arma 2

- Men of War

- Red Orchestra

marc1111: GT5 has taken so long to come out that I’m tired of waiting for it and am no longer excited. It had better live up to the hype and produce an awesome driving experience and provide a more flexible online platform that allows for customizing and allows you to race who you want in private rooms. And now that I’ve been driving iRacing, I just may not be able to overlook the physics (expert or sim level) if they are not the absolute best of the consoles.The level of detail in the graphics is awesome though, and this video reminded me of that. I’ll never forget the first time I did a replay and saw the individual blades of grass blowing when a car drove by and some of the spectators actual turning their heads and bodies to watch cars. Cool stuff.

Marc, yeah Gran Turismo and the consoles understand the little bits of flash, that give a sim ambiance, atmosphere, personality, etc. I’d say the GT series nails it better than any of them.

Too bad iRacing leaves that stuff out… I wish iRacing had animated pit crews and helicopters and just a bit of pre-race music (not during the race) or post race fanfare. Add in some Gran Turismo/console type atmosphere.

I suppose there is a trade off though. iRacing supports up to (depends on your hardware) over 60 frames per second with 43 or more drivers (Indianapolis has 54 pit stalls…) online at once. I believe GT5 is going to struggle handling 16 drivers at 60 frames with all the extra animations, flash ect. I think that’s why Forza 2 went with 8 drivers. They could only lock the frame rate at 60 with 8 drivers at once. I hope GT can pull off 60 frames locked without reducing the graphics quality, but my guess is online will get graphically scaled back to make 16 drivers work at 1080p.

I guess I just want it all in one package and we aren’t there yet! :-)

The level of detail in the graphics is awesome though, and this video reminded me of that. I’ll never forget the first time I did a replay and saw the individual blades of grass blowing when a car drove by and some of the spectators actual turning their heads and bodies to watch cars. Cool stuff.

zudthespud: @Lincoln Miner, Just for the record Gamespot have done 5 or 6 comparisons each with about 8 games. The only game that I have seen that is better on the PS3 was Oblivion, but that can probably be explained byt he fact it came out a year later on the ps3.

I’ve read a ton of the Eurogamer comparisons over the past 3 years and I’d say it’s been about 4 to 1 in favor of the 360. Instead of 8 games, they’ve done about 100. They do a very good job on these articles.

Most of the time the PS3 would lose, because they PS3 port was based off the lead platform, which was the 360. The PS3 port would often be late or rushed and/or the developers wouldn’t have the required skill sets. The 360 has always been an easier environment to work in for developers. Unlike the pre-launch hype wars for both systems it’s been proven their architectures both have advantages. The 360 has come out ahead simply because it’s easier to develop for and has been the lead platform for more titles. Having a one year head start gave any title a better chance for sales on the 360, thus it became the lead platform.

Here is the list.

Round One (Ridge Racer 6/Ridge Racer 7, Def Jam: Icon, Fight Night Round 3, Virtua Tennis 3, NBA Homecourt, Need for Speed Carbon)
Round Two (Call of Duty 3, F.E.A.R., Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2007, World Championship Snooker 2007, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Enchanted Arms, Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII)
Round Three (Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: Vegas, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell: Double Agent, Sonic the Hedgehog, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Tony Hawk Project 8)
Round Four (The Darkness, Spider-Man 3: The Game, The Godfather, Madden NFL ’08, NHL ’08)
Round Five (Virtua Fighter 5, SKATE, Transformers: The Game, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Colin McRae: DiRT, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, SEGA Rally, FIFA 08)
Round Six (Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, NBA Live 08, Need for Speed ProStreet, Stuntman Ignition, WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2008, The Simpsons Game, Conan, Assassin’s Creed)
Round Seven (Kane & Lynch: Dead Men, TimeShift, Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2, Tony Hawk’s Proving Ground, Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock, Blazing Angels: Secret Missions of WWII, Medal of Honor: Airborne, Dynasty Warriors: Gundam, Bladestorm: The Hundred Years’ War, LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Clive Barker’s Jericho, John Woo Presents Stranglehold)
Round Eight (Burnout Paradise, Cars Mater-National, The Golden Compass, Beowulf, Ratatouille)
Round Nine (Devil May Cry 4, The Club, Pro Evolution Soccer 2008, FIFA Street 3, Juiced 2, Turok)
Round Ten (Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Blacksite: Area 51, Army of Two, Conflict: Denied Ops, Lost Planet: Extreme Condition, Dynasty Warriors 6, Lost: The Video Game)
Round Eleven (NFL Tour, Dark Sector, Soldier of Fortune: Payback, SEGA Superstars Tennis, MX vs. ATV Untamed, Turning Point: Fall of Liberty, Condemned 2: Bloodshot, Viking: Battle for Asgard)
Round Twelve (Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, Race Driver: GRID, LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures, Overlord: Raising Hell, UEFA Euro 2008)
Round Thirteen (Unreal Tournament 3, Robert Ludlum’s The Bourne Conspiracy, Top Spin 3, Iron Man, Battlefield: Bad Company)
Round Fourteen (SoulCalibur IV, Mercenaries 2: World in Flames, Kung Fu Panda, Beijing 2008: The Official Videogame of the Olympic Games, Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, FaceBreaker, The Incredible Hulk, Madden NFL 09, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09, NHL 09)
Round Fifteen (BioShock, Dead Space, Pure, Midnight Club: Los Angeles, Spider-Man: Web of Shadows, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed)
Bonus Round: The Orange Box
Bonus Round: Grand Theft Auto IV
Bonus Round: Fallout 3
Bonus Round: Call of Duty: World at War
Bonus Round: Far Cry 2

Maybe the physics will be much better. Maybe they’ll remove the crazy online penalty system, but my guess is the career mode and most things will be structurally the exact same as they were in GT4. Sometimes I think the Japanese developers have been lost in time. Even the Japanese developers themselves have talked openly about how far behind they are from the Western developers.

Quite a switch from the PS1, PS2 days when Japanese developers had all the innovation. Now, they’re the ones sticking to the familiar. Goes in cycles I guess. If they get weather and damage, that’s a step in the right direction and 16 online is better than 8 for Forza, but I wonder how different GT5 will really be from GT Prologue or GT 4… It’s supposed to be released in March in Japan, so it’s almost finished. The North American and European release is delayed probably for localization.

I think the hype might actually hurt GT5 when it comes to review scores. GT4 only had a meta score of around 87. GT5 will be huge in terms of content, so that should help, but I think it will get graded down on innovation and gameplay. I think it will also struggle to deliver what people expect in online graphics and frame rate, due to their 16 car choice and 1080p.

Compared to Forza’s 8 cars online 16 sounds like a lot until you go to the PC sims with support for 40 or more cars and frame rates well beyond 60 frames per second.

If it has frame rate issues or only looks good in replays, they’ll get hammered for it. Should be interesting.

Eurogamer has a series of articles called “Face-Off Xbox 360 vs PS3″. They’ve been going on for a long time and focus on the same game graphically on the 360 and the PS3. The majority fair better graphically on the 360. Often it’s a tie or the 360 wins, but it’s generally not dramatic. Frame rate wins and some extra attention to detail are often what wins for the 360.

Here’s round 17, but you can find all the other rounds on the website. Each round compares about 5 games.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-17-article

They’ve probably compared over 100 games. Enjoy.

Montoya: Playstation users on the other hand always seem to be waiting the longest for demos because their store is not updating, has not half the features etc. You see where I´m going at? Good things are worth money, free things aren’t automaticly good and commmercial services automaticly bad.