Comments on: Gran Turismo 5 – First Damage Video

By: JAGUAR1977

JAGUAR1977 — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:09:27 +0000

Sorry, but you have totally missed my point, you CAN judge GT5P's physics precisely because it features at least one car you have driven for real. I owned a Mitsubishi Evolution 8 MR and the very similar Mitsubishi Evolution 9 in GT5P was spot on, the only fault I could find was slightly weak engine sounds. The highest praise I can give GT5P is that it would be a top ranking rFactor mod if avaible on that platform, and far better than most of the distinctly average, though often still enjoyable, mods. This insistence there is distinct difference between the PC sim world and GT5, Forza 3, and if it delivers what's promised, NFS Shift, is increasingly ridiculous, they are all in the same ballpark. You don't need to be any sort of sim racing expert to make a judgment on realism, real world drivers could tell you within a lap or two what title does or does not feel realistic.

Sodapop: Classic excuse for a weak physics model. I’m not saying GT5:P’s physics are arcade but they don’t even approach Enthusia’s physics much less the original Forza. And Forza doesn’t come close to the best mods in GTR2 and rfactor. Now we can say that “you can’t make a serious judgement due to…etc” all day but if we go by that, why is Project Gotham considered arcade or Rallisport Challenge or hell even Wipeout. I mean come on guys, none of us have driven a futuristic anti-gravity racer. How do you know that game isn’t the most realistic simulation out there? Drive a car in GTR: evo and then drive the same one in GT5:P and tell me it feels the same. It doesn’t but the most ardent GT fanboy will insist that that’s because PC sim physics are “wrong.”

By: Zenitchik

Zenitchik — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:25:36 +0000

Well, I guess that it will be hard skip on ps3 and GT5.. GT has always been the only reason for me to buy a playstation

By: idlejimbo

idlejimbo — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:24:58 +0000

Geez, this “community” looks more and more like flame wars trolls…

That’s because GT5 isn’t really at home in the community you’re referring to. It’s just ~too~ good looking for a start!!

By: Sky

Sky — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:56:08 +0000

Sodapop, unlike the elitist sim racing fanboys, people like myself who actually ENJOY playing gran turismo dont need to come around “excusing” anything.

I can consider Gran turismo realistic, its MY OPINION, and as far as i can tell, not you, or any other one that is “dying” from PC sim racing itchiness will change my view. And i haven’t seen any gran turismo fan saying PC sim physics are “wrong”, and if they did, its their opinion anyways.

And the only ones “excusing” around are people like yourself, who would wish that everybody would agree with you. But guess what, they won’t, not now, not never, so move on, and stop bitching around a game that you obviously don´t play, and ignore the posts related to it.

Geez, this “community” looks more and more like flame wars trolls…

By: Sodapop

Sodapop — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:13:32 +0000

JAGUAR1977: There’s no great mystery over GT5’s physics, take out GT5P, grab a DFGT or G25, set the physics model to simulation, fit N tyres and you will discover a driving model that is very realistic, not perfect, but what is. You can usually find a model that is similar to your daily drive, there’s no need for guess work or assumptions on how an exotic road or race car drives. In fact how can anyone seriously make judgements about how these exotic cars drive without first hand experience, even racecar drivers from different era’s often comment on how a modern racecar they’ve tested feels totally different to anything they’ve driven before, and nothing like they expected.

Classic excuse for a weak physics model. I'm not saying GT5:P's physics are arcade but they don't even approach Enthusia's physics much less the original Forza. And Forza doesn't come close to the best mods in GTR2 and rfactor. Now we can say that "you can't make a serious judgement due to...etc" all day but if we go by that, why is Project Gotham considered arcade or Rallisport Challenge or hell even Wipeout. I mean come on guys, none of us have driven a futuristic anti-gravity racer. How do you know that game isn't the most realistic simulation out there? Drive a car in GTR: evo and then drive the same one in GT5:P and tell me it feels the same. It doesn't but the most ardent GT fanboy will insist that that's because PC sim physics are "wrong."

By: JAGUAR1977

JAGUAR1977 — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:12:12 +0000

There’s no great mystery over GT5′s physics, take out GT5P, grab a DFGT or G25, set the physics model to simulation, fit N tyres and you will discover a driving model that is very realistic, not perfect, but what is.

You can usually find a model that is similar to your daily drive, there’s no need for guess work or assumptions on how an exotic road or race car drives.

In fact how can anyone seriously make judgements about how these exotic cars drive without first hand experience, even racecar drivers from different era’s often comment on how a modern racecar they’ve tested feels totally different to anything they’ve driven before, and nothing like they expected.

By: f0xx

f0xx — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:36:38 +0000

Looks nice, wish I had a ps3

By: BSR-Fonzie

BSR-Fonzie — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:59:35 +0000

Like TheStig said, if you drive GT5 you are not a true simracer,well i don’t care either, i got GT5P and enjoy it every second i drive with it, looking forward to see al the tracks coming back from the previous gt games, so i can drive the cars in cockpitview with great graphics on tracks like seatle and trialmountain.
If the game got all the old tracks with the gt5p physics and graphics, I’m gonna be in heaven with the game. Damage, Nascar and Wrc is all a bonus.

By: TheSTIG

TheSTIG — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:51:08 +0000

Like Montoya sad – i’m a car lover. I enjoy racing/car games if they are made good and fun. I even like Burnout that doesnt even have licensed models, but it is good fun and from the fun point of view the physics are good. Unlike GRID where they accidentally put physics from a boat and spaceship. Damage model, physics and the gameplay as hole dont look very appealing to me in these movies but if the final product drives well (fun) i may be considering buying a PS3 + GT5 (it will go very nicelly with my DFGT as well:)). May be that doesnt make me a true “simracer”, but i dont care. Sue me!

By: Sensekhmet

Sensekhmet — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:39:17 +0000

Sky: Gran turismo is the itch that pseudo sim racing elitist fanboys can’t scratch

*yawn*

By: Sky

Sky — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:45:32 +0000

Gran turismo is the itch that pseudo sim racing elitist fanboys can’t scratch

As for me, i love cars, and i dont have any inferiority complexes, so i love gran turismo too.

By: magicalgin

magicalgin — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:00:49 +0000

maybe they really mean “driving” sim as in how the real car reacts irl. Not including the tuning, pitstop w.e.

By: Jos

Jos — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:59:26 +0000

so realistic car handling doesnt nessecarily make it a driving sim?

By: Sensekhmet

Sensekhmet — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:30:25 +0000

dejulle86: I think the problem with GT is “the real driving simulator” in the title. To me, it’s not a sim at all. Just like Forza. These are just fun games…

My point exactly.

By: Sensekhmet

Sensekhmet — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:28:18 +0000

As I mentioned before, my guilty pleasures and NFS, DIRT (will buy DIRT 2), GRID and even SEGA Rally Revo (woohoo: kilometer long slides and deformable terrain!). I am critical of the GT series, but if I had a console, I’d buy it too. It’s just that I’m annoyed to no end by fanboys who praise the thing as best thing since sliced bread. There’s nothing I approach on my knees and fail to notice it falls short in some areas (that’s the case even with my favourite bands).

By: dejulle86

dejulle86 — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:24:49 +0000

I think the problem with GT is “the real driving simulator” in the title. To me, it’s not a sim at all. Just like Forza.
These are just fun games…

But like many other people, I’m also disapointed with the damage model and the way the car reacts in GT5.

By: magicalgin

magicalgin — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:40:36 +0000

If you complain about GT5 dont buy it, anyways I always found that the FFB of GT4 was one of the best out there.. Hopefully GT5 will be even better.

By: hypertek

hypertek — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:46:45 +0000

for some of us, Gran Turismo series was the first real racing game to open us up, to eventually lead us towards sim racing. so it aint bad at all =).

Its still for entertainment, just gotta enjoy it.

By: Montoya

Montoya — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:17:25 +0000

I agree with Wim, Gran Turismo has been a guilty pleasure of mine for a long time.

I loved GT4 with the Nordschleife, it was just something else. And I´m sure GT5 will have something that gets me hooked too.

Afterall, collecting cars sure is fun…and sometimes it’s nice to enjoy a fun driving game to take a brake from all the serious sim racing

Neither Forza nor GT want to compete with racing simulations but I think both titles offer enough to be appealing for car lovers… and the physics aren’t even that bad.

By: BSR-WiX

BSR-WiX — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:10:36 +0000

I am An iRacing addict. a GTR2/rFactor modder,and a few years back an LFS fan.
And yet i own all Gran Turismo versions. Every GT version has something that is beyond all others… atmosphere and style. its just plain fun, with stunning GFX , noting more, nothing less. If you hate it , just dont buy it. Although millions of us will :-)
If we would ask a psychiatrist about all the nagging and complaining about releases, he would probably say its human nature to try and force people not to get what you want yourselves. :-) there is a word for it …