IonAphis: You know, people can say about what they want about GT5, that it looks incredible and it’s the most realistic looking and feeling simulator for consoles to ever be produced…. yet somehow, the guys at Polyphony haven’t learned that by not adding damage modeling (presumably because they want to keep the integrity of the cars – sort of like “they’re too beautiful to be crashed”) what they are really doing is hurting the gameplay and realism ofracing. The guy on this video crashed about 3 or 4 times into the walls and yet his car didn’t slow down a single bit… If you don’t want to add visual damage that’s fine, but at least add some physics damage… where the car becomes unstable and under-performing when you crash. For all its hiccups and faults, so far the best simulator/fun game combination I’ve seen this year has been NFS Shift, and I would not change it for GT5 or Forza… Although I do wish NFS or rFactor had more of those nice tracks… Anyone up for porting Camino Viejo Del Montserrat to rFactor??? Anyone??

PD doesnt have damage in all cars because they cant get car manufacturers to agree on it. They do have damage in some cars though. Maybe you should read up on the facts before you hit the reply button next time.

http://gamersyde.com/stream_gran_turismo_5_tgs09_ferrari_cockpit-12989_en.html

As for damage, it is in the game, not only external, but cockpit damage too, which isn’t shown in the video.

sediol: Again, it seems good lighting/shadows is one of the most important factors for ‘real’ looks in simulations.Though disappointing, at least to me, is how the car reacts physically. As said above, (even) NFS reacts way better. And absolutely no sense of speed. When it says 100 km/h it looks like 50 km/h. Could that be a sign that they might have performance problems with PS3? (Honest question, trying not to bash them…)

PD have maximum 4 – 5 months to finish the game for the japanese market. If they needed ~2 years to complete 65% (if started after GT5p), they have to work really hard to complete the rest 35% just for 5 months. I wish and hope they will succeed with this task, though.

IonAphis: You know, people can say about what they want about GT5, that it looks incredible and it’s the most realistic looking and feeling simulator for consoles to ever be produced…. yet somehow, the guys at Polyphony haven’t learned that by not adding damage modeling (presumably because they want to keep the integrity of the cars – sort of like “they’re too beautiful to be crashed”) what they are really doing is hurting the gameplay and realism of racing. The guy on this video crashed about 3 or 4 times into the walls and yet his car didn’t slow down a single bit… If you don’t want to add visual damage that’s fine, but at least add some physics damage… where the car becomes unstable and under-performing when you crash. For all its hiccups and faults, so far the best simulator/fun game combination I’ve seen this year has been NFS Shift, and I would not change it for GT5 or Forza… Although I do wish NFS or rFactor had more of those nice tracks… Anyone up for porting Camino Viejo Del Montserrat to rFactor??? Anyone??

First they already have damage modeling, and second damage modeling doesn’t have shit to do with the “gameplay and realism of racing”. I’ve been to plenty of trackdays in real life where there wasn’t any damage modeling to be seen because it’s not really the focus of spending $100,000 on a 993. The focus of GT games, at least disregarding the endgame “I have millions of dollars to rice out this McLaren F1″ is basic trackdays between enthusiasts. When you wreck your real life car at an event like that you don’t even bother finishing the lap. If you want realism then turn the console off after every crash.

I’ve just seen these complains for so many years with the GT series and although I honestly do agree it’s a nice and fun feature to have, it is not ESSENTIAL to a racing game. What IS essential is physics, and that’s something Polyphony Digital have half-assed time and time again, where even bizarre trainwreck titles like Enthusia have far superior physics engines. Considering the understeer-to-snap-oversteer absurdity of GT4 bells and whistles like damage modeling should be much further down on anyone’s wishlist, unless what they’re really interested in is Burnout.

Also the delays of GT5 are why I sold my PS3 2 years ago, seems like it was a good decision still.

ugh fuck I’m a jerk, ban me now

Though disappointing, at least to me, is how the car reacts physically. As said above, (even) NFS reacts way better. And absolutely no sense of speed. When it says 100 km/h it looks like 50 km/h. Could that be a sign that they might have performance problems with PS3? (Honest question, trying not to bash them…)